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IT'S YOUR JOB.[Planning Commission Regular Meeting on January 8, 2025.]
I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, UH, OMA COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION ORDER.I AM DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OF LEE PBIT.
I'M DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE GONNA DO IT JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AT THE BEGINNING, SINCE TECHNICALLY THERE IS NO CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR, AS THOSE TERMS ENDED DECEMBER 31ST, 2024, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONDUCTED A SIMILAR EXERCISE EARLIER TONIGHT AT THEIR ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
IN ANY CASE, UM, WE APPEAR TO HAVE A, UH, A QUORUM.
WE HAVE, UH, SIX MEMBERS, UH, UH, PRESENT.
WE DO HAVE, UM, UH, TWO SEATS THAT HAVE NOT YET BEEN, UH, UH, FILLED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE PLANNING COMMISSIONER WHO IS ABSENT, THAT'S MR. GALE, AND HE'S OUT OF TOWN.
HE HAS NOT REQUESTED TO, UH, PARTICIPATE REMOTELY.
SO WE CAN DISPENSE WITH ITEM B UNDER CALL TO ORDER.
UNDER ITEM C, UH, INTRODUCTION OF NEW PLANNING COMMISSIONER, UH, WE DO HAVE MYRA RILEY TAYLOR WITH US.
UH, SHE IS, UM, SHE IS SUCCEEDING LEANDER ROBERTS IN, UH, IN, UH, UH, DONALD HART'S DISTRICT, WHICH IS DISTRICT EIGHT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA? SO, MOVE MR. PETIT MOVES.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, UH, MR. SPARKMAN SECOND.
AND WITH THAT, THE AGENDA IS ADOPTED FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, ELECTION OF THE 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION OFFICERS, WE HAVE TO, UH, WE HAVE TO ELECT A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR.
UM, WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL OPEN THE NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR, AND THEN ONCE THAT HAS BEEN DONE, I WILL TURN THE, THE, THE GAVEL OVER TO THE CHAIR, AND THEN THEY CAN DO NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR AND ELECTIONS FOR VICE CHAIR, AND THEN CONTINUE ON WITH THE AGENDA FROM THERE.
SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, ELECTION OF 2025, PLANNING COMMISSION OFFICERS, UH, ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR THE POSITION OF CHAIR FOR THIS CALENDAR YEAR? 2025? I NOMINATE MS. WINGFIELD, MS. WIN.
THERE IS A NOMINATION ON THE FLOOR.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR? I MOVE THAT NOMINATION BE CLOSED.
A MOTION FOR NOMINATIONS FOR MR. PENNETT? UH, BE CLOSED.
ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING NOMINATIONS, SAY AYE.
SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE WILL MOVE TO THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR.
ALL IN FAVOR OF, UH, OF, UH, ANGELA WINGFIELD BEING THE CHAIR FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2025.
ALL OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT.
AND WITH THAT SAID, I WILL NOW TURN OVER THE MEETING TO CHAIRWOMAN WINGFIELD FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING.
UM, CAN YOU OPEN NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? I WANNA NO.
DID WE, I FORGET HOW WE DID THIS BEFORE.
SO, UM, THE, THE NOMINATION HAS BEEN, UH, MOVED AND SECONDED.
AND, UH, UH, YOU CAN EITHER, UH, ASK FOR MORE NOMINATIONS OR MOVE THAT IT'D BE CLOSED, OR MOVE THAT IT BE CLOSED.
SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A MOTIONAL FLOOR.
IS THAT AND A SECOND? MM-HMM
SO, SO WE VOTE ON, UH, MR. PETIT FOR VICE CHAIR.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE MINUTES OF WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 11TH.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY, UH, CORRECTIONS FOR THE MINUTES? HE AND HONOR TO MOVE THAT, THE MINUTES BE ACCEPTED AS PRESENTED.
I HAVE A MOTION AS SECOND, UH, TO ADOPT MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
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TALK ON THE, HE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.ARE YOU HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING OR PUBLIC COMMENT? UM, I COULD DO EITHER.
I MEAN, PUBLIC HEARING IS KIND OF WHAT I'M HERE FOR.
WE'LL SAVE IT FOR PUBLIC HEARING, SO NOBODY SIGNED UP FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS.
THIS IS A, UM, UH, THIS IS JUST AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM REGARDING A COUPLE OF PENDING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
SO, UH, WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, UH, OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS THE DEFINITION OF SUBDIVISIONS AND ALSO THE TERMS OF VALIDITY FOR, UH, FOR SITE PLANS AND OTHER PERMITS.
BUT WHAT I JUST WANTED TO DO WAS TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE STAFF HAS NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT, AND THAT WE DO INTEND ON BRINGING THAT BACK TO YOU NEXT MONTH WITH SOME OTHER, WITH SOME OTHER ITEMS. BUT AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST TO KIND OF PUT THIS BACK ON THE FRONT BURNER FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO PRESENT, UH, FOR YOU TONIGHT THOUGH.
SO WE CAN, THERE'S NO NEW BUSINESS.
WE MOVE ON TO OPENING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 2026 TO 2030 CIP.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO HOLD A, UH, A SCHEDULED AND ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 20 26 20 30 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, IT IS THE, IT IS THE, UH, THE CUSTOM AND THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT HERE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, UH, REVIEW THAT AND FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
WE HAVE THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, LESLIE LEWIS, WHO IS HERE TO PROVIDE THAT PRESENTATION.
AND AS, UH, AND FOR ANY BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON PUBLIC WORKS ITEMS, WE ALSO HAVE MY COUNTERPART, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR, UH, FOR, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AND FACILITIES STUART HALL.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WILL, UH, I'LL TURN THIS BACK OVER TO YOU.
AND AGAIN, UH, MS. LEWIS WILL PROVIDE THE, UH, UM, THE PARTICULARS.
SO BASICALLY, I GAVE THE CIP PRESENTATION AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANYONE WOULD'VE.
THE FORWARD FORM IN YOUR BOARD DOC, WHICH IS PRETTY THICK, AND MR. HALL IS HERE ALSO TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THE CIP PLAN, I HAVE YOUR SLIDE BACK.
I'LL BE GLAD TO GO OVER IT AGAIN.
IT'S THE SAME ONE I PRESENTED LAST MONTH, AND IT'S JUST THE OVERVIEW OF THE CIP PLAN.
IT PRETTY MUCH TELLS WHAT YOUR ROLE IS TO, TO REVIEW IT.
YOU CAN ADD, AND IT'S THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR'S DECISION TO ADOPT, AND IT'S A PART OF OUR ANNUAL BUDGET.
THERE'S ONE HERE, LISTED CORRECTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS SINCE LAST MONTH? NO.
AND ONCE IT'S A, ONCE IT'S ADVERTISED, IT CANNOT BE CHANGED.
SO THIS, THERE'S, AND THIS IS JUST SAYING WHAT A CIP PLAN IS, IS A LONG RANGE PLANNING TOOL USED TO SCHEDULE ANTICIPATED CAPITAL PROJECTS AND COORDINATE HOW THEY WILL BE FUNDED.
TYPICALLY, A CIP WILL COVER AT LEAST FIVE YEARS, HOWEVER, IT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND AS FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES PRESENT PROJECTS ELIGIBLE TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE CIP ARE THOSE WHICH WILL HAVE A LIFE LONGER OF THREE YEARS GENERALLY.
AND THE COUNTY HAS SET A MINIMAL COST OF PROJECTS OR ITEMS OF NOT LESS THAN 50,000.
UM, AND I MEAN, EVERYONE, WHY HAVE A CIP TO GUIDE THE ACCEPTANCE OF PROFFERS BY PROVIDING A LISTING OF COMMUNITY PROJECTS TO CHOOSE FROM TO ENSURE CAPITAL PROJECTS SUPPORT THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND TO MAKE EFFORTS TO PLAN AHEAD TO MEET THE CAPITAL NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND TO INFORM THE COMMUNITY TO PLAN MOST IMPORTANT FOR THE FINANCING ALTERNATIVES WHEN NEEDED.
UM, CAPITAL PROJECTS TYPICALLY INCLUDE, UM, FACILITY CONSTRUCTION, MAJOR EQUIPMENT PURCHASES, INFRASTRUCTURES AND SOFTWARE.
UM, THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS BEEN IS AND IS TO ENSURE THE PROJECTS PROPOSED ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE CAP COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPT THE CIP AS PART OF THE YEARLY ANNUAL FISCAL PLAN OR BUDGET PROCESS.
AND THE COMMISSION MAY WANT TO COMMUNICATE WHICH PROJECTS
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ITS FILLS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.IF SO, USUALLY A MEMO IS PROVIDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FROM THE COMMISSION, AND YOU CAN MEET MAY ALSO SUGGEST PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT ALREADY LISTED.
AND THIS IS THE, A SUMMARY, BUT THERE'S THE DETAIL ALSO IN YOUR BOARD DOCS OF THE CAPITAL.
UM, SOME ARE FROM LAST YEAR, AND YOU'LL SEE ONES THAT WE'VE ADDED, ONES THAT HAVE BEEN DELETED AND ONES THAT HAVE BEEN MODIFIED.
AND WE'RE CURRENTLY AT, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING MIDWAY DOWN THAT ON THE EIGHTH OF TODAY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? DID, UH, I WASN'T HERE LAST MONTH, BUT OKAY.
BUT ARE WE STILL GETTING A, UM, CONSULTANT TO HELP US WITH THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? YES.
THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED FOR LAST YEAR AND IT'S STILL IN THE, IT'S STILL IN HERE.
DID WE, THAT IS, UM, EXCUSE ME.
UH, WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT IN THE CIPI ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT'S IN THE, UH, THE OPERATING BUDGET.
UH, BUT AS AN UPDATE IT'S OVER 50, SO I DIDN'T KNOW.
UM, BUT JUST PLANTING EQUIPMENT FOR THIS RIGHT? IT CAN BE, WELL, IT CAN BE SOFTWARE AS WELL, AND IT IS A MAJOR, IT'S FINE.
IT'S BUDGETED AS LONG AS YOU JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S SOMEWHERE I JUST, THAT IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND, UH, IN LIGHT OF THE, UH, OBVIOUS BUDGET SURPLUS THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS ANNOUNCED THAT THE COUNTY HAVE ANY PROJECTS THAT CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THOSE, UH, HIS WILLINGNESS, I THINK PARTICULARLY IN FIELD OF EDUCATION, HE INDICATED THAT HE WOULD BE A, GRANTING SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS, UH, FROM THE SURPLUS FROM 2024.
AND I'M SURE LIKE THE, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUDGET PROCESS.
I'M SURE YOU WILL SEE MANY COME ASKING FOR THAT, FOR THAT FUNDING WILL COME IN AND HOW IT WILL BE SPENT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S EDUCATION THAT WILL COME FROM THE SCHOOLS.
IT INDICATED THAT SOME WOULD BE, UH, ALLOCATED FOR EDUCATION.
UH, AND WE'RE GONNA BE PRETTY BUSY THE NEXT FEW MONTHS GOING OVER THE BUDGET PROCESS.
SO I AM SURE IT WILL BE IN THERE AND AS TO BE SPENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. UH, MADAM CHAIR? YES, SIR.
DO WE GO THROUGH THIS PLAN TO REVIEW AND GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS OR HOW IS THAT NORMALLY DONE? FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU LOOK OVER THE ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY AND SEE IF THEY, UM, FIT AND IF IT GOES WITH THE COMP PLAN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE PUBLIC WORKS MAY NEED A TRENCHER OR A, YOU KNOW, OR A NEW BULLDOZER OR SOMETHING FOR THE LANDFILL OR, AND IT'S JUST OKAY.
BIG PROJECTS THAT WE PLAN AHEAD FOR.
AND THEN IF WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE BRING THEM BACK TO THE BOARD HERE, OR DO WE MAKE THOSE TWO? IT'S USUALLY IN A MEMO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I THINK I HAD THIS, UH, I'M GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, IT'S IF USUALLY A MEMO IS PROVIDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FROM THE COMMISSION, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE THIRD.
'CAUSE I HAVEN'T READ IT COMPLETELY, BUT I HAVE GLANCED THROUGH THIS.
AND THERE WAS ONE, I BELIEVE ONE RECOMMENDATION FOR WORCESTER'S POINT FOR THE DEMOLITION OF TWO BUILDINGS.
SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT'S SUBMITTED, BUT I DO KNOW THERE'S TWO OTHER PROJECTS HAPPENING WITHIN THE COUNTY FOR DEMOLITION.
AND THAT IS THROUGH THE, UH, GRANT THAT THEY JUST INITIATED, AS WELL AS, I THINK WITCH'S POINT IS ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT'S EXPECTED TO RECEIVE A COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT AND WHICH THOSE STRUCTURES COULD BE REMOVED.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THOSE STRUCTURES ARE RESIDENTIAL OR IF THOSE ARE COMMERCIAL.
THEY HAD BOAT RACES OUT ON WATTS BAY AND ALL THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO THESE, THESE HAVE BEEN DERELICT FOR REALLY DECADES.
THEY'RE IN THE MARSH GRASS, KIND OF, UM, ALONG WHERE THE OLD RAMP WAS AT THE VERY END OF THE ROAD, WELL, ALMOST TO THE VERY END OF THE ROAD.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIT OF A LIABILITY.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY'S TRYING TO DO ITS PART TO CLEAN UP DERELICT PROPERTIES WHERE WE CAN.
SO, UM, WE PUT IN THAT REQUEST, WE'VE REMOVED THE DECK BOARDS AND, AND MADE THE OLD LAUNCH SAFE, WHICH IS FILLED IN, YOU CAN'T EVEN LAUNCH A BOAT THERE NOW ANYWAY, BUT THIS, THESE ARE, UM, NON-RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON COUNTY OWNED LAND.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE LOOKING, UM, TO REQUEST FROM THE, UM, GENERAL TAX FUND TO HAVE THOSE REMOVED.
UM, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK IS THE, UM, FAIRLY NEW GRANT
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PROGRAM MM-HMMAND I THINK THEY DID SOME THINGS IN WHITESVILLE AND THAT, AND NOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY.
SO WE WOULDN'T BE LOOKING TO PULL ANY MONEY FROM THAT PROGRAM.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO USE THAT MONEY AROUND THE COUNTY.
THIS WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO, AND AGAIN, IT WOULD BE TO REMEDIATE THESE ISSUES ON COUNTY OWNED LAND.
AND IT'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
SO DOES IT BECOME A TAX, DOES IT GO BACK TO THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY SO THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR THAT DEMOLITION? NO, NO, THIS, THE, THE COUNTY OF MACK ACTUALLY OWNS THIS PROPERTY.
UM, WHERE THE BOAT LANDING WAS.
AND, UM, SO YEAH, THIS, THIS IS MORE, AND IT IS A NATURAL AREA NOW.
IT'S GROWN UP IN, IN GRASS AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, UM, YOU CAN PROBABLY LAUNCH A CANOE OR KAYAK AT HIGH TIDE.
I KNOW MISS WINGFIELD LIVES IN THAT AREA.
SHE PROBABLY KNOWS ABOUT THAT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE LAUNCH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD ON THE EDGE OF THE BAY THERE.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO DO OUR PART TO KEEP THE AREA CLEANED UP.
YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE DO GO BIRDING OUT OF THERE AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO IT'S JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP, UH, PROPERTY.
KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO AT, UM, OLD NASA FERRY DOCK IN MAPS SPILL.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAD THE, UH, BID OPENING RECENTLY AND IT'S OVER BUDGET, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROBABLY REBID IT A LITTLE BIT LATER ON.
BUT THERE'S THE OLD GANTRY WHERE THEY USED TO LOAD, UM, MATERIALS TO, UM, BUILD THE LAUNCH PADS OVER ON WALLOPS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE AS WELL.
AND THE OTHER IS THAT, UM, UNFORTUNATELY EVEN WITH SIGNS AND CABLES, UM, PEOPLE CLIMB OUT ON THE APPARATUS, ESPECIALLY DURING ROCKET LAUNCHES AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DANGER.
SO, SO REALLY IT'S, IT'S CLEANING UP COUNTY PROPERTY IS WHAT THAT IS.
AND THEN THERE WERE MULTIPLE ENTRIES IN HERE FOR THE SCHOOLS.
UH, I KNOW REPAINTING OF SCHOOLS OR WHATEVER.
IS THERE A CYCLE OR WHAT IS THE MAINTENANCE CYCLE FOR THOSE AND IF THESE COMPLY WITH THOSE, THAT MAINTENANCE CYCLE.
YEAH, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT ONE.
UM, NOT INVOLVED WITH SCHOOLS PROJECTS.
UH, MR. BOBBY BENNETT IS THE FACILITIES HEAD THERE.
UM, SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, MAYBE WE COULD GET THOSE TO MR. BENNETT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. LEWIS OR MR. HALL? NO.
WELL, WE'LL OPEN THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT UP FOR THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE, UH, MR. MARK KIRBY, YOU, YOU JUST COME UP TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE AND YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES.
I LIVE AT 2 3 6 1 3 FRONT STREET MACK, AND I'M A CURRENT COUNCILMAN AND I'M ALSO MAYOR ELECT TOWN OF MACK.
UM, I CAME TO THIS MEETING BASICALLY JUST TO HEAR WHAT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS WERE GONNA BE.
UM, OUR TOWN HAS SOME INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES.
UM, WE'VE USED SOME RAMP MONEY OR ACTUALLY ARPA MONEY TO PAY FOR A SEWER EXTENSION THAT CAME IN FROM 13 ALL THE WAY INTO COURT UP TO COURTHOUSE.
AND WE'RE ALSO, RIGHT NOW I'VE BEEN, AS A COUNCILMAN, I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION OF THAT SEWER LINE UP TO LEWISTON AVENUE.
SO THE SEWERS CAN SERVICE OUR BUSINESS DISTRICT OR WHAT'S CONSIDERED OUR BUSINESS DISTRICT.
THE OTHER THING, UM, THAT I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH ANN DOYLE AND THROUGH THE RESILIENCE PROGRAM, THE COASTAL RESILIENCE PROGRAM, I'VE LEARNED THAT THERE ARE MONIES AVAILABLE TO CLEAN OUR DITCHES AND OUR CREEKS THAT ARE JAM PACKED.
UM, IN 94, I GUESS IT WAS, MY HOUSE ACTUALLY FLOODED AND I'M KIND OF UP ON A HILL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE OLD LIBRARY, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS KIND OF WEIRD.
AND IT'S BECAUSE OF GROUNDWATER.
AND THE GROUNDWATER BUILDS UP BECAUSE THE DITCHES AREN'T GRAINING.
IT'S THE PROBLEM THAT ALL THE EASTERN SHORES HAVING.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY'S ADDRESSING.
I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY'RE WORKING THEIR WAY DOWN FROM SAXES SOUTH, CLEANING THESE DITCHES.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME MONEY ALLOCATED FOR US TO CLEAN OUR DITCHES IF POSSIBLE.
AND IF THERE'S ANY MONEY THAT WE CAN GET FOR EXTENDING OUR SEWER, THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WE REALLY NEED IN OUR TOWN.
I'D LIKE THEM AT LEAST BE CONSIDERED.
I THINK MR. STEWART, MR. HALL IS PART OF THE DITCH CLEANING.
I THINK I SENT YOU AN EMAIL THIS MORNING ABOUT THE GRANT.
UM, SO MR. KIRBY, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED ME TO SPEAK TO THOSE POINTS A LITTLE BIT.
SO DITCH MAINTENANCE, UM, UH, THERE WAS AN ISSUE FOR QUITE SOME PERIOD OF TIME OF, UM, FILLING THE POSITION, UH, FOR THAT, I'M HAPPY TO SAY THE EMPLOYEE, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO START MONDAY, BUT DUE TO THE WEATHER AND SO FORTH AND HUMAN RESOURCES NOT BEING OPEN, THEY, UM, THEY CAME IN TODAY.
BY THE TIME THEY GOT STRAIGHT WITH HR, IT WAS ABOUT FOUR O'CLOCK.
SO BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE O'CLOCK, HE DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T GET MUCH WORK DONE
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BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS, UH, HELP IS COMING.UM, THE PART ABOUT WORKING FROM SAX TO SOUTH WASN'T QUITE ACCURATE.
UH, WE HAD AN EMERGENCY PROJECT AT SAX.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UM, SUPERVISOR PARKS AND, UM, WE HIRED A CONTRACTOR DO THAT WORK, AND IT WAS JUST WRAPPED UP IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO.
BUT THERE'S NO AGENDA OF GOING NORTH, SOUTH OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE PRIORITIZED.
I HEARD IT WAS LIKE B SOMETHING V DOC WAS DOING.
POSSIBLY THEY DID SOME WORK AT A CULVERT THERE, UM, AT THE ROAD.
WE CAME IN AFTER THAT WITH THE CONTRACTOR, DID THE PART OUTSIDE OF THE VDO RIGHT AWAY.
AS FAR AS, UM, SEWER, I'D BE, I'D BE GLAD TO WORK WITH, UH, MAYOR KIRBY ON THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY, AS I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS PROBABLY KNOW, IS GENERALLY NOT A GRANT FUNDING AGENCY, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE ADMINISTERED SOME GRANTS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH AND THE FED, UM, PARTICULARLY DURING COVID TIMES AND, AND RECENTLY WE DO HAVE SOME SMALL PROGRAMS WITH DAYCARE AND WITH, UM, CLEANUP OF DERELICT BUILDINGS AND, UM, AND SOME, UM, SOME, SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT FOR THE SCALE OF A SEWER PROJECT, UH, WE GOTTA GO AFTER STATE AND FEDERAL DOLLARS.
UM, WE DO HAVE A, UM, KIND OF A PLACEHOLDER IN THIS CIP AND IT WAS IN THERE LAST YEAR FOR SOME SEED MONEY.
SO THE COUNTY CAN TRY TO GET GRANTS FOR THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS IN THE WATTS NASA AREA BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE HOUSING IS CONCERN WITH EMPLOYEES COMING IN WITH THE SPACE PROGRAMS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO THERE IS SOME SEA MONEY THERE.
UM, BUT, UH, OUTSIDE OF THAT, UM, YEAH, WE, UM, WE GO TO RICHMOND WITH OUR HANDOUT AS WELL.
BECAUSE I LIKE MONEY
DOES ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WANT TO, UM, SPEAK FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT? THANK YOU.
THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FINANCE? I'M JUST AMAZED THAT IT COSTS $455,000 FOR A DUMP TRUCK.
SO, UM, I TRY THE EVERYONE WOULD ANY BY LIKE, TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CIPI MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE CIP AS PRESENTED.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO ACCEPT AS PRESENTED.
ALRIGHT, WILL WE OUTTA ORDER? I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF YOU COULD WORD THAT AS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
OH, I CAN AMEND THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SUCH THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT THEY ACCEPT THE CIP AS PRESENTED TO US IN THE FASHIONING FORM AND NATURE IN WHICH WE HAVE HEARD IT SO FAR.
SOUNDS LIKE SOME GOOD LEGAL DROPPINGS.
WE, YOU WANNA MOVE ON TO OTHER MATTERS? WE HAVE JUST ONE, UH, ITEM UNDER OTHER MATTERS, AND THAT IS YOUR 2025 REAL ESTATE DISCLOSURE FORMS. WE HAD GIVEN Y'ALL A HEADS UP A COUPLE MONTHS AGO THAT THIS WAS COMING, AND NOW THAT THE TIME IS HERE, UH, UH, WE HAD MENTIONED BEFORE THE NEW YEAR THAT THESE FORMS HAVE TO BE TURNED INTO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE, UH, AND FILLED OUT AND DATED IN THE NEW YEAR 2025.
SO NOW THAT THE, UH, I GUESS THE APPOINTED TIME HAS ARRIVED, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CONSIDER, UH, COMPLETING THOSE FORMS AND SUBMITTING THEM DIRECTLY TO, UH, TINA MES IF YOU HAVE THEM.
AND IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE THEM TONIGHT, AND IF THEY'RE SIGNED AND DATED IN 2025, YOU CAN ALSO, UM, GIVE THEM TO ADMIN ASSISTANT TO UH, UH, PAMELA DIX.
BUT THIS IS JUST A REMINDER THAT THOSE HAVE TO BE COMPLETED ESSENTIALLY THIS MONTH BY FEBRUARY 2ND.
UH, AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE, UH, THAT THERE ARE REPERCUSSIONS FOR NOT DOING THAT BEFORE FEBRUARY 2ND.
AND I BELIEVE THOSE ARE, UM, UH, FINANCIAL PENALTIES INVOLVED IN THAT.
WHOEVER EMAILED ME THE FORM, I EMAILED IT BACK TO 'EM.
SO WHOEVER THAT WAS, I'M JUST NOW HOPING I DATED IT CORRECTLY AND DIDN'T USE 2024.
IN WHICH CASE, I'LL SIGN ANOTHER ONE IF, IF THEY, IF THEY REVIEW THAT AND THEY FIND ANY, UM, DEFICIENCIES, I'M SURE THEY'LL LET YOU KNOW.
DO YOU STILL HAVE THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS, THE REGULATIONS FOR CERTAIN USES FOR YES, MA'AM.
SO, UM, OH, SO FOR OTHER MATTERS, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
WE DO HAVE, UH, WE DO HAVE THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE EXPECTING, UH, AND THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO CONSIDER, UH, AT THEIR MEETING NEXT WEEK IS A, UH, UH, WELL, REALLY IT'S GONNA BE A SERIES OF, UM, OF, UH, UH, INITIATING RESOLUTIONS WAS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET OUT, INITIATING RESOLUTIONS
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FOR, UH, UH, FOR THE AMENDMENT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.THE FIRST ONE IS ACTUALLY WHAT YOU SEE UP HERE ON THE SCREEN AND WHAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET.
UH, WE ARE ASKING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO PASS THIS INITIATING RESOLUTION IN THE CONSIDERATION OF REDUCING LOT SIZES AND SETBACKS AND POSSIBLY INCREASING HEIGHTS, UH, IN CERTAIN BULK REGULATIONS IN THE, IN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS.
THE PURPOSE BEING TO ACCOMMODATE SMALLER LOT SIZES THAT WE ARE GETTING REQUESTS FOR, UH, BY DEVELOPERS.
THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET FOR LOTS WITH WATER AND SEWER AND, UM, UH, LARGE LOT SIZES TEND TO INCREASE THE COST OF HOUSING.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO ADDRESS IS THE, UH, IS THE ACQUISITION COST OF, OF PROPERTIES.
AND BY REDUCING THAT FROM 10,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, TO SOMETHING LESS IN AREAS THAT ARE, UH, THAT ARE ALREADY COVERED OR SERVED, I SHOULD SAY, BY WATER AND SEWER, OR WILL BE SERVED BY WATER AND SEWER.
UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A, UH, A PRUDENT THING TO DO IN TERMS OF, UH, OF ENCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT, BUT ESPECIALLY ENCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, UH, AFFORDABLE AND ATTAINABLE FOR THE ULTIMATE HOMEOWNER.
SO THE, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL CONSIDER THAT RESOLUTION AT THEIR MEETING NEXT WEEK.
SO WHEN YOU SAY WE, IS THAT STAFF OR IS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION? THE, THE STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THIS.
WE HAVE, AGAIN, BEEN RECEIVING, UH, UH, INQUIRIES ABOUT SMALLER LOTS.
AND TO THAT END, WE HAVE ASKED, THE STAFF AGAIN, HAS ASKED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO, UH, UH, TO LOOK AT THIS INITIATING RESOLUTION AND TO, UH, AND TO CONSIDER PASSING THAT SO THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT REDUCING LOT SIZES.
OF COURSE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA START THE CONVERSATION.
SO CAN YOU NOT GET A SMALLER LOT SIZE BY A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, AND YES MA'AM, YOU CAN IN THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, AND THAT WOULD ENTAIL, AS WE LEARNED EARLIER ON IN 2024, A REZONING AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND AS SUCH, UH, THAT DOES ADD AT LEAST FOUR MONTHS, IF NOT MORE, TO THE TIME THAT IT TAKES TO GET THE LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS FOR THOSE SMALLER LOT SIZES.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO, UH, IS TO PROVIDE A SHORTCUT TO, UH, TO SMALLER LOTS WHERE IT, WHERE IT FEASIBLY MAKES SENSE, AND THAT IS WHERE WATER AND SEWER IS AVAILABLE.
BUT I MEAN, IN OUR COMP PLAN ALL ABOUT SAVING AGRICULTURAL LAND, AND THERE IS CERTAIN AG LAND THAT IS, UH, THAT IS DESIGNATED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
SO THOSE AREAS WOULD BE, UH, UH, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO REZONE FOR SOMETHING FOR, FOR HIGHER DENSITY.
BUT AGAIN, IT DOES TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, IT DOES TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET TO THAT POINT.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE IS SOME, UH, UH, IS SOME COMMON SENSE BUY RIGHT OPTIONS.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST TO START THE CONVERSATION.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL OBVIOUSLY HAVE THAT, UH, WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND AT SOME POINT FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION.
THAT RECOMMENDATION AGAIN, COULD BE YES, IT COULD BE NO, IT COULD BE YES, WITH, UH, WITH MODIFICATIONS.
AND, UH, UH, THAT'S AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO, UH, INITIATE THAT DISCUSSION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY LOT SIZE IN MINDLY? DO REDUCING IT FROM 10,000 TO REDUCING IT FROM 10,000 TO SOMETHING THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE SOMETHING AS NARROW AS A 16 FOOT WIDE TOWNHOUSE? UM, THE OTHER OPTIONS ARE GOING TO BE FOR DUPLEXES.
UH, I DON'T WANT TO THROW OUT A FEE.
I, NO, WE'VE, WE'VE PLAYED AROUND WITH THIS A LITTLE BIT OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND IT REALLY DEPENDS ON, UH, ON WHAT DEVELOPERS ARE BRINGING TO US AND SAYING, HEY, CAN WE BUILD THIS IN ACROBAT? CAN WE BUILD THIS STYLE DUPLEX IN MACK? IT'S A, IT'S A 25 FOOT WIDE UNIT, AND WHEN YOU PUT THOSE TOGETHER, IT BECOMES 50 FEET.
AND WHETHER THOSE ARE, AND, AND THOSE WOULD BE ON SEPARATE LOTS.
BUT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT IS WHETHER OR NOT, UH, NARROWER UNIT SIZES FOR WHAT THEY CALL THE MISSING MIDDLE.
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YOU'RE GONNA HEAR THAT TERM A LOT OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE HEARD IT, UH, A COUPLE OF TIMES OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS WHERE AKAMAK DOES SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS VERY WELL.WHAT WE ALSO DON'T HAVE IS, UH, IS MULTI-FAMILY, BUT IN TERMS OF THE CONCEPT OF DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES, YOU'VE GOT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO CONDO TOWERS AND, AND APARTMENT BU AND, AND, UH, TALLER APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S IN BETWEEN A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND A, UM, WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER A MULTIFAMILY, UH, MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE.
SO DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, YOU COULD EVEN HAVE FOUR OR FIVE PLEXES AS WELL.
BUT WE DO NOT HAVE, UH, AN EASY WAY FOR DEVELOPERS TO GET TO THAT POINT, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS THAT ARE, THAT ARE SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
THEY ARE REQUIRED TO GO GET A REZONING AND A, UH, AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO, UH, THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALSO BEEN STUDYING IN TERMS OF, UH, THE, UH, NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES AND THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION HAS WHAT'S CALLED A HOUSING ACCELERATOR MANUAL.
SO WE'VE BEEN READING UP ON THAT.
AND, UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE, UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE TECHNIQUES, THIS IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS OR THE ALTERNATIVES THAT THEY, THAT THEY PUT FORWARD THAT, UH, AND THAT THEY ARE ADVOCATING.
SO, UH, WHILE AKAMAK IS PRIMARILY A RURAL AGRICULTURALLY BASED, UH, UH, LOCALE, THERE ARE AREAS THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY, UH, THAT ARE, UH, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR HIGHER DENSITY.
WE ACTUALLY SAY THAT RIGHT NOW IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT WAS MOST RECENTLY ADOPTED IN 2018 WITH THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA LAND USE CLASSIFICATION.
SO WHILE, WHILE THIS IS JUST AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM, WE WILL OBVIOUSLY BRING YOU MORE INFORMATION.
WE'LL SHOW YOU THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WE'LL SHOW YOU THE AREAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA SHOW YOU SOME EXHIBITS ON WHAT THOSE LOT SIZES LOOK LIKE, UH, AS WELL AS THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF UNITS.
SO WE'VE ALREADY STARTED TO PUT TOGETHER, UM, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED TO SKETCH OUT A, UH, UH, AN EXHIBIT SHOWING YOU THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF UNITS, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, A DOUBLE WIDE, A SINGLE WIDE.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, AND, AND A LOT OF THESE ARE COMING STRAIGHT OUT OF BUILDING PERMITS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED AND APPROVED, OR FOR OTHER HOUSING UNITS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER LOCALITIES.
UM, UH, A HABITAT FOR HUMANITY HOUSE THAT WAS, UH, THAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION NOW IS A BUILDING PERMIT I'VE PULLED A HABITAT FOR.
SO, AND FOR THE LOCAL HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, I'VE PULLED A HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, A HOUSE FROM THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY WHERE, UH, WHERE I HAD THE, UH, PRIVILEGE OF WORKING BEFORE TO SEE IF THAT WOULD FIT ON A SMALLER LOT.
BUT TO, BUT TO, UH, UH, TO YOUR QUESTION, MR. SPARKMAN, UH, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AND, UH, WHERE WE ARE NOW IS BASICALLY KIND OF A CLEAN SLATE.
UH, WE'VE GOT SOME FIGURES IN MIND, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO, UH, WE DON'T WANT TO, UH, UM, I GUESS TIP THE CONVERSATION BEFORE IT'S ACTUALLY TIME TO DO THAT.
WE'LL SHOW YOU THOSE, UH, THOSE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WHEN WE BRING THIS TO YOU.
IS, IS THIS SOMETHING SIMILAR, LIKE X MORE GOT, UM, PROPOSED AND GOT TURNED DOWN? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH EX MORGAN GOT, UM, THEY WANTED A SMALLER LOT SIZE AND HIGHER DENSITY.
AND THEY DECIDED NOT TO, UH, CHANGE THEIR REGULATIONS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'LL LOOK INTO.
IT WAS NOT TOO LONG AGO, LIKE RIGHT.
FIVE OR SIX MONTHS AGO, THE PUBLIC DIDN'T WANT IT.
IT'S ALWAYS VERY DEBT APPROVED THERE.
WELL, MY, MY ONLY COMMENT ON THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO DO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LIKE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN SINCE 2018.
THEN WE, WE NEED TO DO THAT NOTE THAT THE, UH, ACCESS TO PUBLIC BOARD AND SEWER IS A POSITIVE IMPACT ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
HAVE WE TAKEN FULL ADVANTAGE OF THE CENTRAL SEW SYSTEM THAT WE INSTALLED AND, AND PAID PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO HOW WE MAY, UH, ADD TO THAT OR ROUTE IT SO THAT IT'S POSITIONED TO SERVE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS, UH, A CAVEAT FOR IT? SO HAVE WE HAVE, WE CONSIDERED EXPANDING THIS, UH, SEWER SYSTEM.
WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD IDEA OF WHERE SEWER WOULD BE MOST, UH, MOST LOGICAL.
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HRSD AND WHERE THEIR FORCE MAIN EXISTS NOW, AND WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE MIMA SPUR.WE'VE EVEN MADE A, UM, REFERENCE TO IT EARLIER TONIGHT IN THE CIP.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PARSLEY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HRSD WILL ASK FOR WHEN EXPANDING THE, UH, THE FOOTPRINT OR THE SERVICE FOOTPRINT, IF YOU WILL, IS, UH, UH, A COPY OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND WHAT THOSE DESIGNATIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE AREAS WHERE THE, UH, WHERE THE EXISTING AND POSSIBLE FUTURE EXTENSIONS WILL SERVE.
SO THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO KNOW THAT IF THEY EXTEND THE, THE FORCE MAIN IN AN AREA THAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ALIGNED WITH THAT AREA.
AND I THINK IT, AND IT, IT REALLY JUST BOILS DOWN TO WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE, THE JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE IN.
IF THEY'RE GONNA GET THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS THAT THEY EXPECT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT MONEY INTO AN AREA, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, FRANKLY SPEAKING, THEY'RE NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA EX EXTEND THAT, UH, UH, UH, THAT FORCE MAIN INTO AN AREA WHERE THEY'RE JUST NOT GONNA GET A WHOLE LOT OF CUSTOMERS UNLESS THAT AREA IS DESIGNATED FOR HIGHER DENSITY.
SOME OF THE AREAS THAT, UH, THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT WHEN, AND AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE INITIATING RESOLUTION.
WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO THE WEEDS HERE, BUT, UH, THE AREAS SURROUNDING THE TOWNS OF ONANCOCK ONLY AND, UM, AND, UH, AND AKAMAK, THERE ARE SEVERAL POCKETS OF AREA, UH, OR SEVERAL POCKETS OF, OF, OF LAND OR TERRITORY THAT ARE DESIGNATED, UH, UM, VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA, WHICH AGAIN, IS THAT HIGHER DENSITY, IT'S MIXED USE, BUT THEY ARE CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURE.
BUT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, A DEVELOPER'S GONNA GET THE IDEA.
YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT, THEY MAY WANT TO DO, THEY MIGHT NOT WANT TO DO MIXED USE.
THEY MAY SIMPLY JUST WANT TO DO A STANDARD SUBDIVISION, IF YOU WILL, A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS FINE.
I THINK WE MAKE A LONGER PROCESS SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN BE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT'S GOING IN.
AND SHORTCUT IN THAT PROCESS IS MAYBE NOT FAIR FOR THE COUNTY RESIDENTS.
WELL, UM, WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS THAT, UH, THERE ARE AREAS THAT IT DOES MAKE LOGICAL SENSE TO, UH, TO, TO DEVELOP HIGHER DENSITY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK GOING THROUGH THE RIGHT PROCESS OF REZONING IS THE PROPER WAY.
WELL, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING TO, TO MOVE THINGS ALONG WITH THE LACK OF HOUSING THAT WE HAVE.
AND I, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME ON THE MAP.
THE, THE ISSUE'S GONNA BE SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER AND, AND CENTRAL SEWAGE.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE LIMITING FACTOR UP THERE.
BUT IT GOES BACK TO MY POINT THAT LET'S REVIEW THE MAPS AGAIN,
AND I DO REMEMBER CAPTAIN'S CODE YEAH.
SPEAKING OF HRSD, UH, DO YOU KNOW OF ANYTHING THAT'S MOVED FORWARD WITH THEM TAKING OVER NASA? OR IS THAT NOT IN THE WORKS, OR IS THAT STILL IN THE WORKS? IS THAT WE'RE, UM, WE OCCASIONALLY HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH HRSD AND NASA, NOT NECESSARILY TOGETHER, BUT INDIVIDUALLY.
AND, UM, UH, THOSE TALKS ARE ONGOING.
HRSD IS PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON LARGER SYSTEMS. AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, UH, UH, WORKING, YOU KNOW, UH, NASA IS VERY, UH, THEY'RE, UM, THEY'RE PROTECTIVE OF THEIR SYSTEM, LET'S JUST PUT IT THAT WAY.
AND, AND FOR GOOD REASON, BECAUSE, UH, IF, IF YOU, IF YOU SERVE OUTSIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE CUSTOMERS OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE, THEN THERE IS A QUESTION AS TO WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING INTO THAT SYSTEM.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR, UH, THEIR, THEIR LOGIC OR THEIR JUSTIFICATION OR THEIR POSITION GOING INTO A CONVERSATION ABOUT SOMEBODY ELSE TAKING OVER THEIR SYSTEM.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, UH, THAT'S ALL IT IS, IS JUST DISCUSSION.
I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THEY'RE LEANING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WELL, I, YOU KNOW, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I HOPE WE'RE FIGURING OUT A WAY TO MOVE SEWER AND STUFF NORTH IN THE COUNTY.
NO, I JUST, WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THAT.
I JUST, JUST TO COMMENT MM-HMM
I'M FROM PARSLEY, AND I THINK PARSLEY OUGHT TO HAVE WATER AND SEWER
WHAT I WILL SAY TO THAT, TO THAT END, IS THAT, UH,
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IN THE, UH, IN THE CURRENT CIP, UH, THE STAFF HAD REQUESTED OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR SEED MONEY FOR A SEWER SOLUTION IN NORTHERN MACK.TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ISN'T GONNA BILL YOU, UH, BUILD YOU A, NOT EVEN A SEWER PLANT, MUCH LESS A COLLECTION AND DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
UH, UH, BUT, UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I FEEL WAS A, WAS A PRUDENT MOVE BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND THAT SENDS A SIGNAL THAT, UH, UH, THAT, UH, NORTHERN MACK IS PRIMED FOR, UH, SOME SORT OF ACTION, SOME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT SHOULD COME WITH A, UH, A LONG RANGE PLAN, THAT KIND OF PROJECTS WHERE WE WANT THIS IN THE FUTURE.
AND I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT WE HAVE TO ASK HR COMMISSION TO DO SOMETHING.
I MEAN, WHO, WHO GAVE THEM THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHERE WE GO AND WHAT WE DO.
AS IT PERTAINS TO CENTRAL AKAMAK, BECAUSE THAT SYSTEM IS NOW THEIRS.
UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT IS TRUE.
AS FAR AS NORTHERN AKAMAK IS CONCERNED.
UH, WE HAVEN'T REALLY LANDED ON ANY SPECIFIC OPTION, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE TO PARTNER WITH NASA OR TO PARTNER WITH HRSD OR TO PARTNER WITH SOME OTHER, UH, UM, PRIVATE WATER AND OR SEWER, UH, UH, COMPANIES SUCH AS AQUA OR ARTESIAN.
THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE KIND OF IN THAT SMALL TO MID-SIZED SYSTEM, UH, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THEY OPERATE.
UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, SIGNALS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM HRSD INDICATE THAT THEY'RE MORE INTERESTED IN, IN THE LARGER SYSTEMS SUCH AS AN C**K.
MADAM CHAIR, IF I COULD, SORRY, LEE, I'M SORRY.
IT'S ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
I SPEAKING AS A SUPERVISOR SINCE THE QUESTION WAS PERTAINING, PERTAINING TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS.
UM, THE LANGUAGE THAT THIS, THE BOARD USED PERTAINING TO THE EFFORT THAT, UH, THAT LEE'S SPEAKING TO WAS VERY CLEAR.
SO THAT WAS INTENTIONAL THAT WE LEFT THAT VAGUE.
SO IT WAS NOT JUST FOCUSED ON HR.
ALRIGHT, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS? THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER ONES COMING DOWN THE PIKE AS WELL.
UM, I WILL RUN DOWN THEM JUST VERY QUICKLY.
UH, WE HAVE THREE OTHER, UM, UH, THREE OTHER INITIATING RESOLUTIONS ON THE BOARD AS WELL.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT AMENDING THE BULK REGULATIONS TO REDUCE CERTAIN MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S A RELATED ONE THAT, UM, THAT ENTAILS A, UH, UH, A HOUSING DENSITY OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UM, THESE CAME UP RATHER LATE AFTER THE AGENDA WAS CREATED, BUT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS TO MOVE ALL OF THESE FORWARD TOGETHER AS A PACKAGE, UH, SO THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER THEM TOGETHER, UH, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE TWO.
UM, THERE'S A THIRD ONE WITH REGARDS TO AMENDING THE DEFINITION OF HEIGHT.
WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH OUR DEFINITION OF HEIGHT, WHERE IT DOES NOT TELL US WHERE TO MEASURE TWO.
SO WE ARE, WE HAVE, UH, RIGHT NOW THE DEFINITION OF HEIGHT SAYS THAT WE MEASURE THE AVERAGE ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY OVERALL HEIGHT OR MIDPOINT TO THE EVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE WANNA PUT THAT INTO THE, UH, INTO THE ORDINANCE.
AND WE ALSO WANT TO, UM, TO PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN HOW TO, UH, HOW TO CALCULATE SIGN AREA.
SIGNAGE HAS BEEN, UM, HAS BEEN A POINT OF, UH, OF DISCUSSION, UH, RECENTLY, ESPECIALLY AS WE, UH, ESPECIALLY AS WE RECEIVE, UH, SIGN PERMIT REQUESTS.
A, UH, I'M SORRY, UH, UH, I WENT FROM HEIGHT TO SIGNAGE.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEIGHT RIGHT NOW.
SO WE DO, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CLARIFY WITH REGARDS TO HEIGHT, UH, WHERE TO MEASURE TO.
AND, UM, AND WE'VE GOT SOME LANGUAGE ON THAT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A, UH, UH, AN INITIATION, AN INITIATING RESOLUTION BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS NEXT WEEK.
A FOURTH ONE IS WITH REGARDS TO SIGNAGE IN THE I INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
SO IN THE I INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, WELL, I SHOULD SAY ACROSS THE BOARD, UM, UH, APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 160 SQUARE FEET REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE, IN THE, UH, BUSINESS DISTRICT, INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, WHATEVER.
AND YOU ARE LIMITED TO FOUR SIGNS.
SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF INSTANCES WHERE WE'VE HAD TO EITHER GO TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND OR VARIANCE,
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OR WE'VE HAD TO COMPLETELY TURN DOWN A SIGN BECAUSE OUR, UM, OUR, UH, UH, REGULATIONS ARE TOO RESTRICTIVE.SO WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AFTER THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS, UH, HAS AMENDED OR HAS, UH, PASSED THE INITIATING RESOLUTION.
SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR, UH, POTENTIAL INITIATING RESOLUTIONS ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK.
MOVE ON TO THE STAFF REPORT FOR, UH, SUBDIVISION AGENT.
SO WE STILL HAVE THE ONE, UH, UH, THE ONE ITEM FROM LAST MONTH.
AND, UH, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT.
AND THIS WILL GO TO PUBLIC HEARING NEXT WEEK, UH, NEXT WEEK, NEXT MONTH.
UM, THIS IS THE COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN THE TOWNS OF ONLY AND ONANCOCK, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND A REZONING, WHICH, UH, THE DEVELOPER OR THE APPLICANT DID RECEIVE.
SO, AS I HAD MENTIONED, AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT, UM, OF THAT PROCESS, THEIR NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO SUBMIT A PRELIMINARY PLAT, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS, IT WAS EITHER MAY OR JUNE WHEN THE PLAN, OR WHEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAD APPROVED THAT REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO HERE WE ARE AT THE BEGINNING OF 20, 25, 6 MONTHS LATER, AND WE ARE NOW READY, OR THE DEVELOPER IS READY FOR THEIR, UH, FOR THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAT.
THE STAFF HAS PRO HAS, UH, UM, HAS DONE AN INITIAL REVIEW.
AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IS, IS TO ENSURE THAT THE, UM, THAT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT MATCHES THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT THEY SHOWED US IN, UH, LAST SPRING, WHICH IT DOES.
AND AT THAT POINT, IF IT DOES MATCH, THEN, UH, THEN OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR APPROVAL.
BUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE YOU A, UH, A STAFF REPORT, AND, UH, WE WILL, UH, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, UH, UH, UM, ADVERTISED FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING WAS A FEBRUARY 13TH MEETING.
IS THAT GONNA BE HERE? THAT WILL BE HERE.
AT THIS POINT IS MORE OF A, OF A, OF A, UH, UH, SHALL WE SAY, MINISTERIAL, UH, APPLICATION, BECAUSE AGAIN, IF IT DOES COMPLY, THEN WE ARE, UH, WE'RE OBLIGATED TO APPROVE.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO, UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A MOTION TO, UH, AUTHORIZE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR FEBRUARY 13TH.
WE AUTHORIZE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR FEBRUARY 13TH FOR THE ITEMS SO WE CAN TALK OCTOBER 12TH.
DO WE NORMALLY BRING THE PLOT BACK FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS LIKE THIS? YES, MA'AM.
THINK WE'VE DONE THAT ONE BEFORE, BUT THAT'S FINE.
WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON FEBRUARY 12TH.
WE'LL, UH, WE'LL ADVERTISE THAT, UM, FOR ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
YOU'VE GOT THE, UM, WELL, ACTUALLY, UH, YOUR STAFF REPORT SAYS THAT THE BZA WAS SCHEDULED TO HOLD FIVE PUBLIC FIVE PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS MORNING, BUT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS ADVERTISED FOR 10 O'CLOCK AND WE DIDN'T OPEN TILL 10 30, AND WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, SAFETY ON SIDEWALKS AND OTHER SURFACES LIKE THAT, THE, UH, THE MEETING WAS, UH, WAS POSTPONED.
WE DO NOT YET HAVE A DATE, BUT IT'S LOOKING LIKE EITHER THE LAST WEEK OF JANUARY OR THEIR, OR THEIR FEBRUARY 5TH REGULAR, UM, REGULAR MEETING.
YOU'VE GOT THE FIVE CASES IN YOUR, UH, OR ON THE SCREEN HERE.
SO WHERE IT SAYS, AS FAR AS OUTCOME IS CONCERNED, THOSE OUTCOMES ARE STILL PENDING BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS HAVE NOT YET BEEN HELD.
DID THEY APPROVE THE RESTAURANT IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TWO MONTHS AGO? THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THIS AGENDA HERE? THAT'S ON THIS AGENDA, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND THERE WERE, UM, FIVE OTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT, UH, THAT, UM, I'M SORRY.
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ARE THE SAME FIVE PUBLIC HEARINGS.SO AS FAR AS THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORT IS CONCERNED, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT.
UM, UH, STAFFING LEVELS REMAIN THE SAME.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE ARE, WE HAVE, UH, DEVELOPED A SCOPING PARAGRAPH FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE HAVE TO PUT OUT AN RFP SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME RESPONSES FOR SOME, UH, FOR SOME CONSULTANTS.
AND THAT IS WITH LEGAL RIGHT NOW, THERE'S SOME BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE THAT HAS TO BE ADDED AFTERWARDS.
BUT ONCE THAT'S DONE, WE DO EXPECT TO KICK THAT INTO HIGH GEAR AND ADVERTISE AND PUT OUT THAT RFP.
UM, THERE IS A TENTATIVE TIMELINE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, BUT, UH, ONCE THAT RFP IS, UH, IS, UH, IS COMPLETED, THEN WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT OUT FOR BID.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS COMING.
THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF PRESENT OR THE, THE, THE, THE STAFF REPORT.
UH, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME.
WHAT VACANCIES DO YOU STILL HAVE OPEN? WE STILL HAVE, UM, UH, WHAT IS LISTED AS A, UH, UH, AS A HOUSING COORDINATOR, UH, THAT COULD VERY WELL BECOME A, A, A PLANNER POSITION THAT CONCENTRATES ON HOUSING, BUT WOULD BE DOING OTHER LAND USE TYPE, UH, UH, LAND USE TYPE ACTIVITIES.
UM, AS I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE STAFF, AND PARTICULARLY WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, UH, THAT POSITION AS A, AS A HOUSING COORDINATOR, UM, THEY WOULD PROBABLY END UP DOING PLANNING RELATED, UH, ACTIVITIES ANYWAYS.
SO THAT POSITION IS STILL TECHNICALLY VACANT.
WE ALSO HAVE A, UM, KINDA LIKE A DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS POSITION.
UH, CHRIS GATOR WAS A DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC PRO, UH, OF, EXCUSE ME, OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS AND REPORTED DIRECTLY TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
BUT THAT POSITION HAS SINCE BEEN, UH, UH, UH, RECLASSIFIED OR REORGANIZED, IF YOU WILL, TO OPERATE UNDER THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THOSE ARE OUR TWO POSITIONS THAT WE'RE, UM, THAT WE'RE LACKING RIGHT NOW.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS FEBRUARY 12TH, AND I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
WILL I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN? ALL RIGHT.