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[Wetlands Board on January 23, 2025.]
IT'S 10 O'CLOCK.I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
WELCOME TO THE JANUARY, 2025 MEETING OF THE AKIMA COUNTY WETLANDS BOARD.
UH, WHILE GOING THROUGH INTRODUCTORY REMARKS, PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO SILENCE OR TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONES PLEASE.
WETLANDS BOARD CONSISTS OF FIVE MEMBERS.
APPROVAL OF PERMITS REQUIRES A MAJORITY VOTE.
OF THE BOARD ARE THREE YAY VOTES.
UH, TODAY WE HAVE ALL FIVE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD PRESIDENT.
WE HAVE A QUORUM FROM MY RIGHT TO LEFT.
MR. BADGER? I'M TEA LEE BIRD IF I MIGHT INTRODUCE HER STAFF AND OFFICIAL PRESENT, WE HAVE MS. BETH NUNLEY, WHO IS ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER, MS. PAM DIX, WHO IS ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TOO.
SHE'S, UH, TAKING OVER FOR, UH, MS. JULIE FLOYD.
MS. FLOYD IS UNDERGOING SOME MEDICAL PROCEDURES, UH, AGAIN TODAY AND I HOPE THAT PRAYERS WILL BE OFFERED FOR HER.
SHE, WE WANT A, UH, FULL AND TIMELY RECOVERY.
MS. CLAIRE GORMAN REPRESENTING VIRGINIA MARINE IN, UH, RESOURCES, UH, VMRC AND WE HAVE MR. LEE HAMID, UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR ADMINISTRATOR OF BUILDING PLANNING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THE BOARD IS AWARE AND COMPLIES AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE TO THE OBJECTIVE OF THE, UH, VMRC OF NO NET LOSS.
IF WE MIGHT CONTINUE ON TO NUMBER TWO, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MR. OT.
I'M THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, SINCE THE WETLAND BOARD'S, UH, OFFICER'S TERMS ENDED WITH THEIR LAST MEETING, MS MEETING, MEETING MR. BIRD AS CHAIR, AND MR. WARD AS VICE CHAIR, TECHNICALLY THEIR TERMS ENDED AT THE END OF THE, OF THEIR LAST MEETING.
SO I'LL PRESIDE OVER THE MEETING UNTIL A CHAIRPERSON IS ELECTED.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR NOMINATIONS FOR THE WETLANDS BOARD CHAIRPERSON FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR 2025.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. T BIRD FOR CHAIRMAN.
OKAY, WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR MR. BIRD BY MR. TAYLOR, SECONDED BY MR. BADGER.
UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? HEARING NONE.
THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR, FOR NOMINATIONS.
ALL IN FAVOR OF ELECTING MR. T LEE BY AS THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE WETLANDS BOARD FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2025.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN THE MEETING BACK OVER TO YOU.
UM, NOW WE WILL, UH, ELECT A VICE CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. GEORGE WARD AS VICE CHAIR FOR YEAR 2025.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL SECOND.
YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT A LONG TIME AND WE LOOK TO YOU FOR ADVICE ALL THE TIME AND WE TRULY APPRECIATE YOU.
ALL RIGHT, SIR, IF WE MIGHT MOVE ON.
UM, MOVING ON TO, UH, ITEM THREE IS THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.
HOPE EVERYONE HAS HAD TIME TO LOOK OVER THE NEW AGENDA.
JUST ONE ITEM LEFT OFF SO EVERYBODY HAD TIME TO LOOK THAT OVER AND UNDERSTAND IT.
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, LIKE A MOTION, PLEASE TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA.
UH, ITEM FOUR'S, ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER BOARD MEETING.
HAS EVERYONE HAD TIME? WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING OBVIOUSLY LAST MONTH, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT NOVEMBER'S.
EVERYONE HAD TIME TO LOOK OVER, UH, THE MINUTES? ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR BEEN A COUPLE OF THINGS CHANGED, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO FOR THE MOMENT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? A CALL FOR A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
AYE, MINUTES IN THE BOOK? ALL LET'S MOVE ON TO, UM, NEW BUSINESS NUMBER FIVE.
IT'S THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION.
JPA IS 2024 DASH 28 13 WOPS ISLAND CAUSEWAY BRIDGE PERMIT RESUBMITTAL OF PART ONE OF FOUR.
UH, WAS SUBMITTED BY MR. RICKY WOODY, WHO WILL BE SPEAKING.
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PLEASE COME UP, BE SWORN IN.DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN ALL MATTERS BEFORE THIS BOARD? I DO.
WOULD YOU GIVE US THE SYNOPSIS? YES, SIR.
WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL, I'LL GO OVER A SUMMARY FOR Y'ALL AND THEN I'LL TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO MR. RICKY WOODY OF STANTEC AND HE WILL BE THERE FOR THE DETAILS AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UM, THIS PROJECT IS THE NASA CAUSEWAY BRIDGE, JPA 20 24 28 1 3.
UM, THE AGENT IS STANTEC RICKY WOODY.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS NASA WALLOPS ISLAND FLIGHT FACILITY.
UM, THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION IS, UM, THE ACTUAL PERMIT.
UM, THE LOCATION IS WALLOPS ISLAND CAUSEWAY BRIDGE.
UM, THE WATERWAY IS CAPS CREEK.
UM, THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION IS, LIKE I SAID, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE BRIDGE, UM, UTILITY RELOCATION AND THE EXISTING BRIDGE DEMOLITION.
UM, THEY WILL, UM, APPROACH THE CONSTRUCTION AS AT A TOP DOWN APPROACH USING CRANES, EXCAVATORS AND LOADERS, AND WILL BE POSITIONED ON THE NEW AND EXISTING DECK.
LIGHT DUTY EQUIPMENT WILL WORK WITHIN THE WETLANDS TITLE AREAS, UM, AND THEY WILL USE MATS, UM, ON THE WETLANDS.
UM, ALL THE OYSTERS WILL BE RELOCATED AND ALL TEMPORARY IMPACTS WILL BE RESTORED.
UM, CURRENT USE IS ACCESS TO WALLOPS ISLAND, MASS GODDARD SPACE FLIGHT FACILITY.
THE WETLANDS IMPACTS FOR THIS PROJECT ARE 13,412 VEGETATED WETLANDS AND 993 NON VEGETATED WETLANDS FOR A TOTAL OF 14,405 SQUARE FEET OF TOTAL ENCROACHMENT.
THE IN LIEU FEE COMES TO 259,290.
ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? ANYBODY? UH, JUST ON THIS, I GET BACK TO BOARD.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE MR. WOODY? SURE.
FROM STANTEC, HERE'S MR. THANK YOU, SIR.
RICK WOODY, AND HE'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
I'M GONNA NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN IF YOU DON'T MIND.
YOU FIRM OR SWEAR THAT YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN ALL MATTERS BEFORE THIS BOARD? YES, I DO, SIR.
WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? MY NAME IS RICHARD CARROLL, WOODY II AND I GO BY RICKY.
MY NAME IS THE SENIOR PRO ENVIRONMENTAL PROJECT MANAGER.
WOULD YOU ENLIGHTEN US? YES, SIR.
UH, UH, FIRST, WE'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND TAKING YOUR TIME TO, TO GIVE US A CHANCE TO PRESENT OUR PROJECT.
I HAVE TWO PEOPLE HERE WITH ME, SHERRY MILLER, WHO REPRESENTS NASA, AND I HAVE JEREMY BECK WITH WSP, WHO WAS OUR DESIGN BUILD PROJECT MANAGER, AND IS LEADING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, THE PROJECT IS TO REPLACE THE WALLOPS ISLAND CAUSEWAY BRIDGE, UM, PROJECT AS A PROJECT OVERVIEW.
UH, BASICALLY IT'LL REPLACE THAT BRIDGE.
THE, THE REASON WHY IS THE EXISTING BRIDGE WAS BUILT IN 1969 AND IS REALLY APPROACHING THE END OF ITS SERVICE LIFE.
AND IT'S ALSO GONNA ADDRESS STUFF, STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCIES AND IMPROVE SAFETY.
UH, ONE KEY NOTE IS WE'VE ALREADY DONE A BEAM IN FIX FOR THE, FOR ONE OF THE BEAMS ON THE EXISTING BRIDGE SO THAT IT CAN CONTINUE ITS LIFE TO EXTEND IT THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT.
SO THE BRIDGE IS REALLY APPROACHING ITS END OF LIFE.
THE NEW BRIDGE WILL BE 40 FEET WIDE, 1,590 FEET LONG.
IT'S GONNA CONSIST OF 20 PILE BENDS WITH 21 SPANS.
THE VERTICAL NAVIGATIONAL CLEARANCE WILL BE 60 FEET AND THE HORIZONTAL, I MEAN THE, AND THE HORIZONTAL NAVI CLEARANCE WILL BE, UH, 60 FEET.
THE VERTICAL WILL BE 15 FEET, AND THE NEW BRIDGE WILL BE LOCATED 46 FEET UPSTREAM OR NORTH OF THE EXISTING BRIDGE.
AND WE'RE GONNA USE A TOP DOWN CONSTRUCTION, TOP DOWN DEMOLITION.
AND OUR UTILITY RELOCATIONS ARE GONNA BE DIRECTIONAL BORES.
UH, THERE'LL BE TWO BORES AND WE'LL DO SOME OYSTER RELOCATION WORK IN THE AREA FOR THE TEMPORARY IMPACTS AND WHERE THE PERMANENT PIER WILL BE GOING.
UH, TO GIVE YOU FAMILIARITY WITH THE PROJECT, UH, YOU HAVE A NO WAY, UH, FACING NORTHWEST OF CAT CREEK AND WE HAVE IT FACING SOUTHWEST.
AND ONE THING, THIS IS LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE WEST, AND ONE THING WHERE YOU SEE, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A POINT OR DO A POINT.
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YEAH.SO THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS THE AREA OF THE, UH, REVETMENT THAT IS IMPACTING THE TYPE THIS, THE VEGETATED T WETLANDS.
UH, THE ROAD WILL BE LOCATED ON THIS SIDE OF THE EXISTING BRIDGE.
SO THIS IS THE PROJECT IN ITS ENTIRETY.
UH, THIS IS THE SIDE WHERE THE REVET WILL BE IN, UM, THE EXISTING BRIDGE IS, UH, UH, 1,267 FEET AND, UM, 27 FEET WIDE.
SO WE'RE GOING 13 FEET WIDER AS AN AVOIDANCE OF MINIMIZATION.
YOU CAN SEE WE SET THE ABUTMENTS BACK BEHIND THE EXISTING ABUTMENTS, WHICH HELPED REDUCE THE, UH, IMPACTS TO THE TIDAL WETLANDS AND NON VEGITATIVE WETLANDS.
WE ALSO, UH, THIS SIDE RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE TWO DIRECTIONAL BORES THAT'LL GO ACROSS.
UM, AND THEN THE LAY DOWNS WILL BE PULLED BACK THROUGH.
THOSE ARE FOR UPGRADES ON THE ISLAND ITSELF FOR ELECTRICITY, SEWER, WATER.
AND IT NEEDS TWO BORES BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO KEEP WATER SEPARATE FROM SEWER, UM, FROM THERE.
AND THEY'LL, IT IS SET UP FOR FUTURE, UM, EQUIPMENT AND THINGS AS THE ISLANDS NEEDS GROW.
UH, ONE THING, UM, THE NEXT THING, UH, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU IS, IS THIS IS A CLOSEUP VIEW OF THE ABUTMENT.
THE, THE X GREEN HATCHED AREA IS THE, UM, WETLANDS BOARD JURISDICTION FOR ONE AND A HALF TIMES THE MEAN HIGH TIDE.
UH, SO THAT'S GONNA BE ROADWAY FILL.
AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, UH, IN THIS, IT'S, IT'S LIKE RIGHT IN THIS AREA, RIGHT HERE.
UM, ALSO, THIS IS THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, PERMANENT WETLANDS OR THE RED STRIPE, THAT'S VEGETATIVE WETLANDS.
AND THEN THIS IS THE TEMPORARY IMPACT.
WE HAVE A TURBIDITY CURTAIN THAT'LL BE PLACED AROUND THIS DURING THE OPERATIONS FOR EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL.
ALSO ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE AND BE DONE CONCURRENTLY.
THIS IS, THESE ARE THE TWO BORING PITS FOR THE UTILITIES.
UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS TO THE WEAPON BOARD AREA BY ACTUALLY RELOCATING THIS PIT OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE VMRC JURISDICTION.
AND EVERYTHING HERE WILL BE TEMPORARILY IMPACTED.
UH, IT'LL BE RESTORED TO THE SAME GRADE AND ELEVATION ON THE EXISTING FILL SLOPE.
WE HAVE TO FLATTEN THOSE AREAS IN ORDER TO GET A GOOD BORE AND WE'LL COME BACK AND, AND REPLACE THEM.
UM, SO WE'LL BE, UH, BORING FROM THIS SIDE AND BACK, PULLING IT BACK THROUGH FROM THE OTHER SIDE.
UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF AERIAL, THIS IS THE AREA, RIGHT? THIS IS THE AREA RIGHT IN HERE WHERE THE, UH, REVETMENT WILL GO.
THE BEARINGS WILL START RIGHT IN THIS LOT AREA RIGHT HERE TO GO ACROSS.
UH, HERE'S THE EXISTING BRIDGE.
YOU CAN SEE THE ABUTMENTS RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE WEST REVETMENT AREA.
THIS IS THE ACTUAL, ACTUAL, SOME PICTURES THAT WERE TAKEN.
IT STARTS IN THIS AREA AND BACK IN HERE, AND THEN EXTENDS THROUGH THIS AREA RIGHT HERE TO PROTECT THAT.
AND THAT'S THE TITLE WETLAND AREAS.
YOU CAN SEE ASPART AND FRAG MIGHTY'S IN THOSE AREAS.
THIS IS WHERE OUR UTILITY, UM, PEOPLE WENT IN ON THE MAPS AND JUST, UH, DID THE BORINGS DRAWING UNDER THE PREVIOUS PERMIT THAT WAS ISSUED FOR THE GEOTECH WORK THERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE CURRENTLY.
UH, AND YOU CAN GENERALLY SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, VEGETATED.
BUT I WANTED TO POINT HERE IS, IS THIS IS THE EXISTING ABUTMENT HERE.
THIS IS WHERE THE NEW ABUTMENTS, THIS IS A PIER.
THIS IS, THESE ARE ALL PIERS RIGHT HERE.
UM, AND THIS IS WHERE THE NEW BRIDGE WILL BE LOCATED, AND THAT'S WHERE THE NEW IMPACTS TO THE NON VEGITATIVE WETLANDS WILL OCCUR.
THERE ARE EIGHT, UM, PILE, EIGHT 20 INCH PILES, UH, THE SQUARE PILES THAT'LL GO IN TO SUPPORT THE NEW BRIDGE.
ALSO, ONE THING THAT'S VERY, UM, UNIQUE ABOUT THIS AREA AND, UM, AND WHEN I TALKED TO CLAIRE, IT WAS VERY INTERESTING, IS, IS THAT WHEN THEY BUILT THE ORIGINAL BRIDGE, THEY EXCAVATED OUT THIS WHOLE AREA, UM, BACK.
AND SO YOUR MEAN LOW WATER IS ACTUALLY A STRAIGHT LINE RIGHT HERE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT MOVING.
IT WAS ACTUALLY EXCAVATED AND THEN BACKFILLED, UH, TO SUPPORT THE FILL FOR THE, THE CURRENT BRIDGE.
UM, THE OTHER SIDE IS THE DEMOLITION.
THIS IS THE DEMOLITION OF THESE PIERS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SMALL CIRCLES HERE, THEY'RE 2 54 INCH PILES.
UH, THAT IS HOLD UP THE EXISTING BRIDGE.
THOSE WILL BE, UM, REMOVED AND THEN THE AIR AND BELOW, TWO FOOT BELOW THE GRADE, AND THEN ALLOW TO RENORMALIZE TO THE EXISTING ELEVATION.
THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE OYSTER RELOCATION WILL OCCUR IN THIS LOCATION RIGHT HERE.
AND WE HAVE TWO FLOATING DOCKS THAT'LL BE PLACED IN TO PROVIDE ACCESS FOR.
WHERE IS THAT, SIR? COULD YOU POINT THAT PLEASE? RIGHT HERE.
THESE, THESE LIGHT BLUES? YES, SIR.
SO THIS IS WHERE THE PERMANENT IMPACT FOR THAT PIER IS IN THE WISH BED AND ALL OF THEM WILL BE RELOCATED OUT OF THAT AREA AND TAKEN TO A, A, AN EXISTING BALER GROUNDS GOOD TO
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THE NORTH.UM, ALSO THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS WE HAVE THIS, THIS IS THE FENDER SYSTEM AND THE PIER THAT IS THE FIRST ONE INTO CAT CREEK.
AND THEN THE, THIS IS NEEDED TO REMOVE THE EXISTING FENDER SYSTEM FOR THE DEMO.
UH, SO THE CONTRACTOR WILL, UM, WILL START AND HE'S GONNA AND WORK FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE BRIDGE CONCURRENT WITH, UM, TO DELIVER THE PROJECT.
AND HE'LL DO THE SAME THING FOR DEMO.
HE'LL START IN THE MIDDLE AND WORK BACK TO THE EDGE FOR THE HE'LL, HE'LL.
AND THEN, SO YES, SO BASICALLY FROM THIS SPOT, HE'LL WORK OUT THIS WAY TO BUILD IT AND THEN HE'LL START OUT HERE AND WORK BACK TO DEMO IT.
SO, UM, THIS IS THE OTHER SIDE.
THE EAST NON VEGETATED WETLANDS.
AGAIN, THE MEAN LOW WATER IS A STRAIGHT LINE.
HERE'S THE PIERS THAT'LL BE BUILT, UH, UNDER THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THE NON-TITLE WETLANDS.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE DEMO.
THE TURBIDITY CURTAINS ARE BEING USED, UH, FOR TWO PURPOSES TO HELP US, UH, KEEP SPECIES OUT.
WE HAVE TURTLE MONITORS WHEN WE MOVE OUR BARGES AND WE HAVE TURTLE MONITORS WHEN WE MOVE OUR LARGER EQUIPMENT AROUND BECAUSE WE HAVE STAGING BARGES THERE.
UH, AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, IS TO MAINTAIN THE SEDIMENT AND SEDIMENT CONTROL AND AS WELL CONFINE THAT WORK AREA TO THOSE LOCATIONS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE USING IT AS WELL AS IN ADDITION PROTECTION FOR THE TURTLES AND OUR TURTLE MONITORING THAT WE HAVE.
I WANNA POINT OUT OVER HERE, THIS IS THE, THE NOSE OF THE EXISTING, THE REVETMENT THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE.
IT HAS SOME WETLAND IMPACTS HERE ON THAT SIDE.
THIS IS THE EAST SIDE HERE, UM, AT, AT THIS LOCATION.
AND HERE'S THE NAVIGATIONAL CHANNEL.
YOU CAN SEE THAT WHILE I'LL NEED THE, UH, TIBI CURTAINS TO PULL THOSE OUT.
AND THEN THE REVETMENT IS GONNA BE LOCATED ON THIS SIDE RIGHT HERE.
AND THE UTILITY IS BACK FURTHER.
THE, THE RECEIVING PIT AND PULLING PIT WILL BE LOCATED ABOUT THAT LOCATION THERE.
SO TO GO THROUGH AND PULL THAT BACK THROUGH, THIS IS A PICTURE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE LOOKING TO THE WEST.
AND THESE ARE THE NON VEGETATED WETLANDS.
THESE ARE THE LARGE, UH, 54 INCH, UH, PIERS THAT EXIST.
NOW THESE WILL BE REMOVED AND THE DECK WILL BE REMOVED.
SO THIS IS THE OTHER PART OF THE REVETMENT THAT COMES AROUND.
IT'S ALSO TO PROTECT THIS ABUTMENT.
AGAIN, HERE'S THE PERMANENT IMPACT, UH, TO THE WETLANDS BOARD JURISDICTION.
HERE'S THE PERMANENT IMPACT OF WETLANDS, AND HERE'S THE TEMPORARY IMPACT THERE TO GET THE
AND SO THAT WE CAN, UM, WORK THE FILLS IN.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, HERE'S, HERE'S THE PITS AGAIN.
WE, WE MOVED THE PIT OUT OF THE JURISDICTION.
SO IT'S AN AVOIDANCE, UM, EFFORT THAT WE DID TO.
AND ALSO TO MINIMIZE THESE IMPACTS, UH, THAT'LL BE RESTORED AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PITS.
UM, BE REGRADED AND THE FILL WILL BE PUT BACK IN.
AGAIN, AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, THERE'S A LITTLE WALK.
THAT FIRST AREA IS HERE AND THE WETLAND IMPACTS FROM THIS LOCATION RIGHT HERE TO TIE BACK INTO THAT EXISTING ROAD.
SO HERE'S THE, UM, THIS IS WHERE THE REVETMENT WILL GO, UM, FOR THE PROJECT.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A BAD RIP WRAP SURROUNDS THE WHOLE FRONT OF THE FILL.
SO WE'LL BE JUST EXTENDING OUR, OUR OUT INTO THIS JUST AS THE EDGE RIGHT INTO HERE.
THIS WILL ALSO BE WHERE OUR RIGHT IN HERE IS WHERE OUR TEMPORARY DOCK WILL BE DURING CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT'LL BACK UP TO THAT, UH, BAG RIP WRAP.
SO THERE'S REALLY NO ACCESS THAT'S NEEDED DOWN THERE.
AND THEN THIS IS WHAT THE TITLE WETLAND LOOKS LIKE WHERE WE'RE TYING BACK IN.
SO THE BORINGS THEMSELVES ARE RIGHT SIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION.
UH, THE ENTRANCE AND THE EXITS.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'D SAID.
UM, THE, THE, THIS IS THE EX, SO IT IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION, BUT JUST IT'S TEMPORARY.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE RESTORED 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO FLATTEN IT TO GET A GOOD LEVEL TO BE ABLE TO BORE IN.
AND THEN WHEN THEY COME BACK, THEY'LL FILL IT BACK IN IN TIME.
SO JUST A SMALL PORTION IS IN OUR JURISDICTION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GONNA BE TEMPORARY.
SO THE WAY THE INTENT IS, IS THE CONTRACTOR'S GONNA BE WORKING ON THAT SIDE AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE UTILITY BORE ON THIS SIDE MOVING, UH, CONCURRENTLY TOGETHER.
AND WE'RE SETTING UP OUR ENS PLANS FOR THOSE, THOSE PURPOSES.
SO THIS IS THE, UM, OVERALL PART OF THE IMPACTS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, WE START RIGHT HERE WITH THE VEGETATED
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IMPACTS.IT'S ABOUT, IT'S, UH, 7,000, UM, 274 SQUARE FEET OR 0.16 ACRES OF WETLANDS.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE MEAN HIGH TIDE, THE MEAN LOW TIDE.
UH, THAT'S THE NON VEGETATED WETLANDS THAT WE SHOWED A PICTURE.
WE HAVE 993 SQUARE FEET OF PERMANENT AND 11,864.
THE TEMPORARY IMPACTS WERE CALCULATED BOTH HERE AND AT THIS LOCATION AS AND HERE AND THEN IN CAT CREEK IS DUE TO, WE DID WHAT WAS TOTALLY INSIDE OF THE TOBI CURTAIN.
SO WE DEFINED THE TOBI CURTAIN AREA AROUND THE AREA OF CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE, WE CALLED THAT THE FULL, THAT'S HOW WE, EVERYTHING INSIDE WE'RE GONNA TEMPORARILY IMPACT TO GIVE US OPPORTUNITY.
BUT THEN ONCE IT'S DONE, THAT'LL COME OUT AND EVERYTHING WILL BE RESTORED.
IT'LL BE BACK TO ITS NORMAL ELEVATION THAT'S THERE.
UM, BUT THAT'S MORE OF A CONSERVATIVE WAY TO HANDLE THIS RATHER THAN, UH, TRY TO TRY TO GET IT DOWN TO A NORMAL, LET'S JUST CONFINE OUR AREA AND THEN CALL IT ALL IN THERE.
AND THE PERMANENT IMPACTS ARE LOCATED INSIDE OF THE, OF THE TEMPORARY IMPACT.
UM, THE, UM, CAT CREEK IS RIGHT HERE.
IT ALSO, THE UTILITIES, BECAUSE THEY GO 61 FOOT BELOW CAT CREEK.
THAT'S HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS, UH, WHERE THE BOEING WILL PASS UNDER CAT CREEK.
AND THEN THIS IS UP TO THE 1.5 MILLION HIGH TIDE NUMBER.
AND THAT'S THE PERMANENT IMPACTS FOR TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION IMPACT FOR 75 FEET IN CONSTRUCTION AND SEVEN FIVE FEET DEMOLITION.
THAT DISTANCE IS FOR THE FENDER SYSTEM.
IT'S THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE IN THE STREAM THAT WE WILL GO.
UM, AND THEN DURING THE PERMANENT IMPACT IS 34, UM, LINEAR FEET, WHICH IS THE, THE PART OF THE FENDER SYSTEMS WHEN THEY ARE DONE FROM BEGINNING TO END.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, I HAVE JEREMY AS WELL AS, UH, SHERRY HERE, DR.
BUT IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, DIRECTLY RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE GET TO BOARD DISCUSSION YOU'D LIKE TO ASK MR. WOODY? MY ONLY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE COMPLETION DATE? 2028.
IT'LL BE ABOUT A YEAR FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE EXISTING BRIDGE AND THEN A YEAR FOR THE DEMO AND THEN UTILITIES ALL, IS THAT RIGHT? WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN DESIGNING IT FOR ABOUT 28 MONTHS.
CAN I, I'D LIKE TO GO OVER THESE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT IF I CAN AT THIS POINT.
UH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S VEGETATED AND NON VEGETATED THAT'S WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION.
I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED WITH YOUR NUMBERS.
UH, 'CAUSE IT SAYS OMA COUNTY WETLANDS BOARD, 1.5, OOPS, 1.5 TIMES AND IT COMES UP TO 6,138.
BUT THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE VEGETATED AND NON VEGETATED, UH, I, WELL YOUR JURISDICTION SHOULD BE THIS, YOUR, YOUR JURISDICTION IS THIS NUMBER AND THAT ONE, THIS NUMBER AND, AND ALLEN ENDS UP BEING 14,004.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ABOVE THE MEAN HIGH.
I GOT HAVE THAT RIGHT HERE, MATT.
IT'S FOUR, IT'S 14 IN A PIECE.
YEAH, THE THREE COMBINED ARE THE THREE, YEAH.
ONE'S MEAN HIGH, MEAN LOW, THAT'S ON, ON THOSE TWO.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS A MEAN HIGH TO 1.5 TIMES.
WELL, SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, UH, IN REGARDS TO, I, I SAW ON THE SCHEMATICS THERE WERE INDIVIDUAL IMPACT TABLES AND I WAS SORT OF ADDING THOSE UP AND I, NOW, I DISCOVERED ONE OF MY PROBLEMS. I DIDN'T HAVE THAT ONE SCHEMATIC FOR THE EASTERN SIDE.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT FOR A SECOND.
THIS ONE, LEMME JUST LOOK AT THE, I CAN'T QUITE SEE THE NUMBERS UP THERE.
UM, WHAT, WHAT DOES IT SAY ON THE IMPACT FOR THE AMATIC? CAN YOU SEE IT? LITTLE BLUR TO ME? I DON'T HAVE IT.
DOES ANYONE HAVE, BECAUSE I'VE GOT IT IN THE PACKAGE.
TAKE A LOOK AT BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE THAT, MY PACKET.
I'M JUST MAKING SURE THE NUMBERS ADD UP.
AND IN THERE THIRD OR FOURTH FROM THE BACK.
SO I, SO YEAH, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE IT EITHER.
SO, UM, LOOKING AT IT ON A PIECE OF PAPER OH YEAH.
WHERE I CAN PUT IT CLOSER TO MY EYES
UM, THE, UM, WETLAND IMPACTS PERMANENT ARE 434
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SQUARE FEET.AND THE TEMPORARY IS 436 SQUARE FEET AND THAT'S THE PERMANENT VEGETATIVE.
THEN WHAT ABOUT TO THE FAR LEFT? THAT OKAY.
GOING ADAM UP HERE A LITTLE BIT? YEAH.
YEAH, LEMME TRY TO, OKAY, HERE WE GO.
NOW CAN YOU SEE IT THERE? CAN YOU READ IT? OH, THERE WE GO.
AND THEN THE NON VEGETATED IS 22 AND THE PERMANENT AKAMAK IS 20 16, 20 20 16, 26, 10, 20 16.
OH NO, I WAS TRYING TO ADD 'EM UP AND I DIDN'T KNOW BECAUSE I MISSED, I DON'T HAVE THIS SCHEMATICS THAT MAKES SENSE NOW 'CAUSE IT'S A LOT MORE OKAY.
ANY MORE DIRECT QUESTIONS, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE AHEAD AND THERE'LL BE BOARD DISCUSSION AS USUAL.
YEAH, I'VE, I'VE GOT A, ANOTHER COUPLE QUESTIONS.
I GUESS, UM, ONCE YOU TAKE THE PILINGS OUT AND THAT'S GOING TO RE RETURN TO NON VEGITATIVE.
WELLINGS, HAVE YOU TAKEN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ON YOUR IMPACTS? UH, NO SIR.
WELL WE, WE DID, WE CALLED THAT ALL TEMPORARY IMPACT.
IT'S IN THE 17,000 NUMBER, WHICH IS THE AREA INSIDE THE BASIN.
THE REASON I WAS ASKING IS FROM A MITIGATION PERSPECTIVE, THE NUMBERS WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS 14,405 SQUARE FEET.
AND, UH, THE, THE PAYMENT OF THAT IS QUITE A BIT.
UM, IF YOU'RE PULLING PILINGS UP AND RETURNING THEM FROM, UH, AN AREA THAT IS, UH, WELL IT'S, IT'S IN THE WETLANDS KIND OF SURVEY.
IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE WETLANDS JURISDICTION ONCE YOU REMOVE THE PILOTS.
YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS A, AS A REDUCTION.
UM, WHAT I LEARNED FROM MR. WOODY IS THAT THEY'LL BE CUTTING IT OFF TWO FEET UNDER THE SURFACE.
AND I DIDN'T CONSIDER THAT, UH, RETURN THAT.
'CAUSE IT ONLY BE TWO FEET MM-HMM
SURFACE WEAPONS, SO THEY'LL BE CUT OFF, NOT PULLED.
UH, SO THERE'S, SO IT'S TWO FEET UNDER THE SURFACE OF THE GROUND.
SO THE MUD, I JUST, I DIDN'T CONSIDER THAT RETURNING IT BACK.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL DO IT, BUT I DID ASK THAT QUESTION.
OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GONNA ADDRESS THAT LATER ANYWAY.
THAT'LL, THAT'LL COME BOTH OF YOU.
UM, THAT NUMBER IS GONNA BE 2 26.
EACH ONE OF THE PILES IS 7.07 SQUARE FEET.
THERE ARE TWO PILE, TWO PIERS OR PILES PER BENT.
AND THERE'S 16 BENTS THAT'S IN THE NON VEGETATIVE WETLANDS.
AND THE TOTAL OF THAT NUMBER IS 226.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT.
DOES EVERYBODY HAVE THAT INFORMATION? I DO.
ANYTHING ELSE? UH, FOR THE MOMENT? DON'T LEAVE US
UM, MAY WE ASK THIS GENTLEMAN TO RETURN TO HIS SEAT FOR THE MOMENT AND I'D LIKE TO ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE, UH, MS. MILLER, MS. BECK, MR. BECK, UH, THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'RE COMING BACK TO YOU, BUT, UH, ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THIS? NO, SIR.
UM, IF THAT'S THAT, THEN, UM, FOR THE MOMENT I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE FLOOR AND THEN OPEN THE FLOOR TO PUBLIC, PUBLIC COMMENT.
NO PUBLIC COMMENT, CLOSE THE FLOOR AND NOW OPEN IT TO BOARD DISCUSSIONS.
SO IF YOU TWO WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN, PLEASE WITH THOSE QUESTIONS, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
FOR MYSELF PERSONALLY, THEY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO PULL BACK AS MUCH AS THEY COULD.
I MEAN, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT TURTLES AND REMOVE IT.
THEY MOVE, UH, PUT THE ULCERS ON ON THE, SIR, THE, UH, PUBLIC BEDS.
AND, UM, I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL EXEMPTION AVAILABLE.
IS THAT CORRECT? FOR CERTAINLY FOR NON VEGETATIVE WEAPON.
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YEAH.AND FOR THE, UH, WELL, IT'S NOT FOR VEGETATIVE TOO.
IT'S JUST FOR NON, THE NON VEGETATIVE PART.
WELL, UH, I WHAT IT IS, IF YOU REMEMBER, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU, WELL, THERE'S NUNLEY DEVELOPED FOR LIKE MORE COMMERCIAL THINGS.
LIKE WE DID IT FOR THE OYSTER OR, UH, FARM DOWN IN WA SPRAY IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT IT AS A MANMADE BASIN DREDGE.
SO THE IDEA WE, WHEN THERE IS A COMMERCIAL THING, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD USE IT FOR NON VEGETATED AREAS.
SO, UH, IT'S A FORM THAT WE HAVE.
I I THOUGHT WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
UH, IT WAS GOING FROM, IT WASN'T A LOSS OF WETLANDS, IT WAS A CHANGE OF WETLANDS FROM, UH, NON VEGETATED TO SUBMERGED LANDS.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT WE'VE USED, I THINK TWO TIMES IN THE LAST FEW YEARS MM-HMM
AND WE HAVE A, UH, UH, WE, WE CAN GO THROUGH IT, BUT I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES HERE, IN MY OPINION.
WATCH IT PRE AND WATCH IT PRE WE DIDN'T, UH, THAT WAS A COMMERCIAL AND, UM, ONE WE DID, I DON'T REMEMBER BOTH THE, IT WAS THE RIDGE OF A BOAT BASIN.
A MANMADE BOAT, BASIN TWO, IT WASN'T A NATURAL AREA.
AND IT WASN'T A TOTAL, IT WASN'T A, IT WASN'T A LOSS BECAUSE OF FILL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER ANYWAY.
UH, GENE WAYNE, YOU, YOU DISPUTE THAT NO
NO, IT'S, UH, HAS ALSO PUBLIC USE.
I MEAN, THIS IS A PUBLIC, UH, LIKE I SAY, THERE'S ROCKETS BEING FORWARD AND GOVERNMENT AGENCY.
UH, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO RELIEF FINANCIAL RELIEF FOR THEM.
THERE'S NO FINANCIAL RELIEF FOR THEM.
YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S NO FINANCIAL RELIEF.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO ANYTHING FOR THE VEGETATIVE.
AND THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO THAT AS DESCRIBED, IT DOESN'T REALLY PERTAIN IN THE SITUATION.
THEN, THEN I'VE GOT NUMBER THREE.
UM, I KNOW WHEN THE COUNTY DID THE, AND I'M GLAD THEY DID, I PROMISE YOU.
AND, AND THEN, AND WHEN THE STATE JUST PUT DOWN, UH, UM, QUARRY STONE ON THE SIDE OF, UH, CT BREEZE, I THANK THE DEAR LORD, THEY DID BECAUSE IT WAS RODENT RIGHT THERE.
THEY DID NOT HAVE TO HAVE PERMITS.
WHY DOES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAVE TO HAVE TO PAY ANGRY? AND DID THEY HAVE TO PAY? AND I DON'T WANT 'EM TO HAVE TO PAY THAT.
THEY DID WHEN THE COUNTY DID THAT COUNTY BOAT RAMP AND THEY DONE DONE ALL OF THAT.
THERE WAS NO, UH, PERMIT OR, OR ANYTHING TO BE PAID.
UH, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE STATE AND THE COUNTY? AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COUNTY IS EXEMPT FROM THE WETLANDS BOARDS ACT AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT.
REMEMBER ON THE WILDLIFE REFUGE, THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO WRITE US A CHECK FOR $40, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY BECAUSE, UH, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE NOT EXEMPT FROM THE WETLANDS BOARD.
I TRIED FOR YOU
TALKING ABOUT TRIED FOR, OH, UH, MR. WOODY.
UM, THE EXISTING APPROACH IS ON BOTH SIDES TO THE EXISTING BRIDGE.
UH, ALL THAT'S GONNA BE LEFT ALONE.
IT'S, UH, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE MITIGATED DOWN TO A VEGETATED WETLANDS AREA AS Y'ALL CONSIDER THAT.
UM, WE STOP ABOUT RIGHT HERE AND WE HAVEN'T GONE ANY FURTHER.
AND BEING THAT, THAT IS, UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY CONSIDERED AS PART OF WHEN WE, WHEN WE STARTED NEGOTIATIONS OF CUTTING THIS AREA DOWN AND TRYING TO MAKE IT WETLANDS MM-HMM
HOWEVER, AS YOU KNOW, UPLANDS ARE VERY PRECIOUS MM-HMM
AND THE, AND THE UTILITIES NEEDED TO BE BORED ON THIS SIDE.
SO THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WE CONSIDERED, UM, ABOUT THAT ALSO THE UN WE, THE KNOWING THAT THIS WAS EXCAVATED, THAT YOU'RE GONNA GO RIGHT DOWN TO SOLID.
UM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA CUT DOWN TO MUD, YOU'RE GONNA CUT DOWN TO PREVIOUSLY PREVIOUS BILL THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 1959.
SO, UH, THERE'S A RISK AS WELL.
SO, UM, SO WE WENT AWAY FROM THERE.
OUR PROPOSAL FOR THAT, UM, IS TO GO TO THE, UH, WETLANDS BOARD AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE OKAY.
UH, CREDITS FOR OUR PERMANENT TITLE IMPACT.
UH, I'D LIKE TO SAY, FIRST OF ALL, I, I THINK OUR HANDS ARE TIED SOMEWHAT, UH, AND APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY MR. TAYLOR, BOTH OF YOU, ALL OF YOU.
UH, BUT OUR HANDS ARE SOMEWHAT TIED.
WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND EVERYTHING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RIGHT ON DOWN.
UH, IT IS, UH, BEAUTIFUL WORK.
AND, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE NO NET LOSS, WE'RE VERY, VERY PROUD TO PARTNER
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AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE DOES.AND PUT IT BACK, UH, FROM THE TURTLE FENCING TO SAVING, UH, THE, UH, VEGETATED.
UH, MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A PROGRAM, UH, TO INSPECT AND RESTORE VEGETATED OVER A THREE TO FIVE YEAR PLAN, UM, IN, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN HERE,
UM, FOR THE TEMPORARY IMPACTS, YES SIR, WE WILL DEVELOP A PLAN FOR THAT.
BUT WE'VE PROPOSED FOR THAT TO BE DONE AND ONCE THE PERMIT IS ISSUED, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT, THAT RESTORATION PLAN AND ONCE WE KNOW WHERE IT'S AT, BUT WE ARE INTENDING TO RESTORE ALL THE TEMPORARY IMPACTS THAT WE SHOW OUTSIDE.
SO THE TURBIDITY CURTAIN WILL BE REMOVED AND THAT AREA WILL BE CLEANED AND WE'LL ALSO MONITOR IT FOR FRAG MIGHTY.
AND DO FRAG MIGHTY'S TREATMENT, UH, FOR THOSE AREAS THAT ARE OUT IN THE TIDAL WETLANDS, UH, ADJACENT TO THE VEGETATIVE WETLANDS SO THAT WE CAN, UH, POTENTIALLY PREVENT, UM, ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL RAG MIGHTY INVASION.
ALRIGHT, SIR, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED TO HEAR.
UM, MY GUESS MY FINAL QUESTION WILL BE IN, IN OUR MOTION, UH, WE WILL HAVE TO PRESENT, UH, A THREE TO FIVE YEAR PLAN.
THAT'LL BE, UH, YOUR DECISION.
UM, IF, IF YOU THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE FIVE YEARS, IF YOU THINK THREE YEARS, WE'LL GET IT.
WE'LL HAVE TO PUT A NUMBER IN THERE.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? YES, MA'AM.
I THINK THREE YEARS IS WHAT'S REQUIRED.
UH, THREE YEARS IS WHAT'S REQUIRED.
WE'VE HAD SOME THAT WERE FIVE, UM, BUT THEY WAS, SO, THEY DID SUCH A GREAT JOB IN THREE, THAT WASN'T ANY NEED DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THE MATS.
OVER THE YEARS, UH, THINGS HAVE COME BACK PRETTY NEAR A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO, UM, DO YOU AGREE THAT A THREE YEAR PLAN IN THE MOTION, UH, IS ACCEPTABLE FOR THE YES.
ALRIGHT, KEEP THAT IN YOUR MINDS PLEASE.
UM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MS. NUNLEY.
UH, AS I SAID IN MY PACKET, I DID NOT HAVE THAT ONE SCHEMATIC JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE PERMIT.
YOU DO HAVE THAT IN YOUR PACKAGE? YES, I DO.
ONE MORE, ONE MORE QUESTION, MR. WOODY.
THE WAY THE WETLANDS BOARD'S SET UP IS WHEN THERE'S AN IMPACT OR A LOSS, THE FIRST IS THE MITIGATION WOULD BE ON SITE AND YOU'VE APPROVED, YOU'VE SAID THAT THAT CAN'T REALLY BE DONE.
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OFFSITE WHERE WHILES HAS GOT A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY? UH, IS WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, RESTORATION, UH, AN AREA OF THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE SOMEWHERE ELSE? UM, WE HAD EVALUATED IT DURING, DURING OUR REVIEW THERE, BUT WHEN WE GOT TO THE, TO THE END TO THE FINAL DECISION WAS THAT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE YOU'VE GOT NATURE EASEMENTS DOWN RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN NASA IS GETTING, IS WORKING AS, YOU KNOW, WITH A, WITH A LARGE PLAN TO DEVELOP AN INCREASE.
UM, THE ROCKET LAUNCHES FROM THERE.
ONCE THIS BRIDGE IS IN PLACE, UH, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION THAT IT, THAT, THAT MIGHT INHIBIT SOME OF THE FUTURE, UH, BUILD OUT OR THE PLANNING.
AND THERE WAS NO, NO WETLANDS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED TO THE STORED IN THE PLANS.
SO IT, IT WAS CONSIDERED, IT WAS JUST THAT WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE, THE MISSION OF WHAT NASA IS DOING THERE, TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ON SITE, WOULD, WOULD BE, WOULD, COULD POTENTIALLY INHIBIT SOMETHING IN, IN THE FUTURE OR A RESULT IN ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION FOR IMPACTING AND IMPACT OF THE MITIGATION.
I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THE, UH, THE WILDLIFE EASEMENT THEN.
IT'S, IT'S EVERYWHERE AROUND THE, THE ISLAND ITSELF.
THAT OF COURSE IS YOUR DECISION AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
I'M NOT, NOT CAN TAKE YOU PAPER ON THE ROUTE 1 75 AND WE'RE TAKE, BE REAL EASY TO DO BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO MARS.
BUT AGAIN, NASA JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT, LIKE I SAID, THE PERMITS COME HERE FROM CHANGING FOR THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.
NASA JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING.
AS SOON AS YOU'VE DONE ONE, YOU'D BE RIGHT BACK AT IT AGAIN.
AND LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, I CAN TAKE IT TO A PLACE, YOU KNOW, THAT LAYING ON ONE SIDE, FIVE COME OFF THE SINGLE TABLE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
THAT WOULD BE AN EASY PLACE TO STRIP OUT AND, AND PLAN.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND IT WOULD WORK NOW, BUT IT WOULD WORK NOW, IT WOULD CASE THAT WORKS TODAY, J GENTLEMEN, UH, HE'S NASA.
WE, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO, UH, HELP ANY WAY THAT WE CAN, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THEY WANT TO KEEP ALL THEIR, UH, BASES OPEN, THEREFORE ARE WILLING, UH, TO DO EVERYTHING INCLUDING MITIGATION.
ONE LAST QUESTION AND BEFORE WE TURN IT BACK OVER,
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UH, TYPICALLY OUR PERMITS IN THE LAST COUPLE OR SO YEARS HAVE CHANGED FROM ONE YEAR TO TWO YEARS UNLESS SPECIFIED, UH, YOU'VE ALREADY SAID THIS IS A THREE YEAR PROJECT, 2028.SO ARE YOU, WOULD YOU PREFER THIS VOTED ON FOR A THREE YEAR PERMIT? YES, SIR.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? UH, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT MITIGATION.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, PLAN, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE AND WE ARE GONNA CHANGE IT TO THREE YEARS.
SO I WOULD APPRECIATE THE MOTION TO INCLUDE ALL THOSE THINGS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA OPEN TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE JPA 2 0 2 4 DASH 2 8 1 3 AT THE SENATE WITH A THREE YEAR PLAN FOR THE TEMPORARILY DISTURBED WETLANDS AND ALSO THAT IT'S FOR A THREE YEAR PERMIT.
ALSO, THE MITIGATION IS FOR 13,412 FOOT VEGETATED 909 3 NON VEGETATING, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 14,405 TOTAL.
UH, AT $18 SQUARE FOOT IS ALSO MITIGATION WOULD BE $259,290.
DO WE WANT TO, UH, THERE IS A 229 SQUARE FOOT I WAS THAT, UH, RESTORED FROM THE TOP? YEAH, THE TEMP, THE TEMP TEMPORARILY DISTURBED WET LANDS WILL BE, UM, THAT HAVE, HAVE A, A PERMIT THAT THEY WOULD BE FOUND.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO INCLUDE THAT AT ALL THE, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THERE WAS GONNA BE A PORTION ONCE, ONCE THEY PULL OUT.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA FILL RIGHT BACK IN AS, AS VEGETATIVE WETLAND, I MEAN NON VEGETATIVE WETLANDS.
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A PILING THERE THAT'S STOPPING WETLANDS.
SO I THINK WE, THEY GET, I THINK THEY GET CREDIT FOR 226.
THAT, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY.
IF YOU WANT TO SPLIT HAIRS, UH, TWO FEET UNDER TIMES X NUMBER, UH, THEY'RE NOT FUSSING IN AND SHE'S JUST FIGURING EXACTLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT PULLED ALL THE WAY OUT.
SO I THINK IT'S, SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS IT DOES NOT INCLUDE IT AND THE REST IS ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF.
ANYONE THAT ANYONE WANT THAT, UH, UM, THAT AGAIN, I JUST WANNA SAY WHAT THE, THE CALCULATION IS, AS YOU SAID, THE TOTAL AMOUNT INCLUDES VEGETATED AND NON VEGETATED.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT WAS 14 FIVE.
IT'S 14,000 1412 VEGETATED 909 FREE NON VEGETATED, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 14,405.
AT 18 HOURS SQUARE FOOT IS TWO 59,290.
THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE MOTION.
UH, MAY I CALL FOR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
AYE, UH, THE VOTE IS, THE PERMIT IS, UH, UM, BOARD IS AWARE AND COMPLIES AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE TO THE OBJECTIVES OF THE VIRGINIA RESOURCES COMMISSION POLICY OF NO NET LOSS.
THIS PARTICULAR PERMIT IS GRANTED FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD, UH, FROM THE DATE OF THIS HEARING, UNLESS SPECIFICALLY NOTED ALL PERSONS SPEAKING.
OF COURSE YOU'VE BEEN SWORN IN.
AND THIS GIVES NO AUTHORITY TO ENCROACH ON THE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF OTHERS.
DOES EVERYONE UNDERSTAND THAT? AND ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT.
LADIES, GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
WE APPRECIATE YOU FREE TO GO IF YOU JUDGE, FREE TO GO.
ARE YOU TALKING TO ME? NOT HARDLY.
THANK, UH, THANK YOU, UH, FOR EVERYTHING AND, UH, APPRECIATE.
UH, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON IF YOU DON'T MIND TO ITEM FIVE DASH ZERO TWO.
I HOPE I PRONOUNCE THAT CORRECTLY.
SAVAGE JPA IS 2024 DASH 26 31.
BAILEY'S NECK IN C**K OR RIGHT OUTSIDE C**K.
UM, BASICALLY IT'S UM, UH, SEVERAL MARSH BUILDING TECHNIQUE IS TO, UH, LESSEN THE STORM AND TITLE FLOODING THAT THEY GET BACK THERE ALL THE TIME.
ANYONE THAT'S EVER BEEN BACK THERE KNOWS ABOUT THAT ON A NORMAL FLOOD TIDE, YOU GET IT.
SO YOU GET A COUPLE OF FEET ABOVE, UH, CERTAINLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
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MS. NUNLEY ONCE MORE, YOU'VE BEEN SWORN IN TO GIVE THE SYNOPSIS.THE LOCATION, AS HE SAID, IS WHERE PARKERS AND AN C**K MEET.
THIS IS THE LOCATION HERE STICKS OUT ON A POINT.
UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, MAPS OVER THE YEARS, YOU CAN SEE THE EROSION THAT'S HAPPENED THERE.
THIS PROJECT IS MAINLY A RESILIENCY PROJECT BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO KEEP THE WATER OUT.
SO IT'S BEEN DESIGNED TO KEEP THE WAVE ACTION FROM HITTING THE HOUSE.
THE HOUSE IS ELEVATED, SO DURING A STORM, THE WATER GOES UNDER THE HOUSE.
I'LL GO OVER THE THE SITE FIRST AND THEN GIVE YOU THE DETAILS.
I THINK THAT MIGHT WORK BETTER.
UM, THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY HAS A DILAPIDATED, UM, BULKHEAD.
UM, SHE'S GONNA, THE PROJECT, UH, PROPOSES TO, UM, ADD TIMBER, ADD, UM, TONGUE GROOVE SHEATHING TO THAT OLD BULKHEAD.
THERE WILL ALSO BE A GAP OF RIP WRAP RIGHT HERE.
UM, AS YOU GO AROUND THIS, THERE WILL, UM, THERE ALSO BE REPAIRS.
THIS IS A GOOD BULKHEAD THAT WILL BE ENFORCED AND BEHIND ALL THESE ARE, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THE MARSH AND PLANT VEGETATION.
UM, AS YOU COME OUT TO THE POINT, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A BULKHEAD THAT IS EXISTING.
UM, AND AS YOU COME AROUND, SHE IS, UM, PROPOSING TO REMOVE THIS BULKHEAD AND REBUILD IT, LEAVING A GAP UNDERNEATH THIS PIER.
AND THEN, UM, THIS PORTION WILL BE RIP WRAP AND, UH, ENDS RIGHT THERE AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THIS DISTANCE FROM THIS EROSION RIGHT HERE IN THE GARAGE IS 25 FEET.
AND THIS DISTANCE FROM THE WATER TO THE HOUSE IS MORE LIKE 30.
NOW GOING BACK, I'LL GIVE YOU THE DETAILS.
LOCATION 2 3 4 4 4 HOLLY GROVE ROAD TAX MAP NUMBER 83 9 DASH ONE DASH 14.
WATERWAY IS ITS PARKER CREEK AND THE OWNER IS CAROL SAVAGE.
THE STRUCTURE IS A RESILIENCY FLOOD PROJECT, REPAIRING A FAILING BULKHEAD, CONSTRUCTING A 20 BY SIX FOOT SILL, REPLACING 60 FOOT OF BULKHEAD, UH, TWO FOOT CHANNEL WARD.
UM, FOUR TO FIVE FEET ABOVE MEAN LOW WATER AND CONSTRUCT, UM, 50 FOOT, 56 FOOT SILL FILLED TO RAISE THE MARSH BEHIND ALL OF THESE STRUCTURES.
IT'S COMPLICATED, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT MORE.
UM, THE CONSTRUCTION, UM, FOR THE BULKHEADS WILL BE FILTER CLOTH WITH TONGUE GROOVE SHEATHING.
CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO STONE WILL BE USED FOR THAT GAP ON THAT FRONT PORTION.
UM, A 60 FOOT VINYL BULKHEAD WILL BE, UM, CONSTRUCTED TWO FOOT CHANNEL WARD, UM, WITH WHEAT JETS FOR T EXCHANGE AND A FILTER CLOTH.
CLASS ONE AND TWO STONE, AS I SAID BEFORE, WILL BE USED FOR THE STONE S SEAL IN FRONT OF AN OLD FAILING BULKHEAD.
AND TO THE PROPERTY LINE, ALL FILL WILL JUST RAISE THE ELEVATION TO THE MARSH LEVEL BEHIND THE BULKHEADS SILL AND PLANT.
UM, SO THERE IS NO FILL AS FAR AS BUILDING IT UP TO THE GROUND UPLAND LEVEL.
IT'S ALL JUST ENOUGH FILL TO BRING UP THE MARSH AND BE SAID THE MARSH CAN BE PLANTED.
SO HOW IT TURNS OUT IS, UM, 1,875 SQUARE FEET OF NON VEGETATED WETLANDS WILL BE CONVERTED TO 1,875 SQUARE FEET OF VEGETATED WETLANDS.
AND IT'S AN A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED PERCENT CONVERSION.
THIS IS THE LOCATION, THIS IS THE HIGHEST FETCH.
THIS IS THE NORTHERN, UH, EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
I'LL GO AROUND THE PROPERTY JUST LIKE I DID BEFORE ON THE OTHER.
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AND THIS IS THE DILAPIDATED BULKHEAD THAT WILL BE REPAIRED.THIS IS THE BULKHEAD THAT WILL, THAT IS EXISTING AND IS OPERATIONAL TO UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S OLD BUT IT'S STILL THERE.
THIS IS NEARING THE POINT OF THAT LOCATION.
UM, THIS IS COMING AROUND THAT POINT AND THIS BULKHEAD, UM, THAT YOU SEE HERE WILL BE, UM, REBUILT TWO FEET CHANNEL WAR.
SO THAT BALL KID'S GOING TO BE LEFT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE BUILT HIGHER AND TWO FEET CHANNEL WORK.
AND THEN GRASSES WILL BE, UM, THE MARSH BEHIND IT WILL BE RAISED, RAISED AND PLANTED.
THIS IS THE HOUSE AND YOU CAN SEE HOW CLOSE IT IS HERE WHEN STORM EVENTS HAPPEN.
UM, THEY HAVE WATER UNDER THE HOUSE.
AND THIS IS THE BULKHEAD THAT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE.
THAT WILL, UH, THAT WILL BUILD OUT TWO FOOT CHANNEL WARD AND IT'S COMING AT TWO FOOT CHANNEL WHERE HEIGHT'S GONNA BE HIGHER.
LEMME LEMME, LEMME GET INTO THAT.
OH YEAH, JUST, JUST I KNOW YOU WILL HAVE ONE
AND THEN THE BULKHEAD TO THE RIGHT, THAT WILL BE, UM, A SILL WILL BE PLANTED, UH, WILL BE BUILT IN THAT LOCATION.
I DO BELIEVE THAT IT WILL BE REMOVED.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, IT WILL BE REMOVED.
AND HERE IS THAT SAME BULKHEAD THAT WILL BE REMOVED.
AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE THE GARAGE, UM, THIS IS A PORTION OF IT THAT'S JUST TOTALLY BLOWN OUT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THIS IS PART OF THAT EROSION THAT'S COME THROUGH NEXT TO THE GARAGE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I THINK THAT MS. GRIMES HAS THE ANSWERS TO VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING WE WANT TO KNOW.
I'D LIKE TO SAY, FIRST OF ALL, UM, I, I'M SURE HANK CAN VOUCH FOR THIS.
I'VE BEEN GOING AROUND THERE 60 YEARS AND WHEN I USED TO FISH OFF THE BANK, NOW YOU'RE IN, UH, EIGHT OR NINE FEET OF WATER, UM, BOTTOM FISHING.
SO IT HAS CHANGED DRASTICALLY.
UH, I'VE SEEN MORE GO AWAY THERE THAN VIRTUALLY ANY PLACE IN AND AROUND NANKA CREEK, WITH THE EXCEPTION TO PORTIONS OF EAST POINT.
ALRIGHT, UM, MAY WE CALL MS. GRIMES THE NOTORIOUS MS. GRIMES, YOU MAY, UM, DO YOU FIRM OR SWEAR YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN ALL MATTERS BEFORE THIS BOARD? I CERTAINLY DO.
I THINK I'D SUGGEST YOU JUST CARRY ON AND I BELIEVE THAT WILL ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, THIS PROJECT WAS TOTALLY A HEAD SCRATCHER FOR BOTH MYSELF AND THE CONTRACTOR, PROPOSED CONTRACTOR.
AND WE MET THERE TWO OR THREE TIMES AND FINALLY CAME UP WITH A PLAN.
THE PLAN REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO DO WITH EROSION CONTROL BECAUSE THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY EROSION TO CONTROL.
IT'S MORE OF A SHORELINE COASTAL RESILIENCE TYPE OF PROJECT WHERE YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A BAD SITUATION A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UM, SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS IMPROVE SOME DRAINAGE.
WE WANTED TO CREATE SOME WETLANDS.
WE WANTED TO ATTEMPT TO REPAIR THE ABOMINATION OF BULKHEAD THAT WAS PUT THERE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN, BUT IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE TWO BY EIGHTS WITH GARDEN TIES HOLDING IT UP
BUT IT HAS BEEN THERE A LONG TIME BECAUSE I'VE WORKED ALONG THAT SHORELINE FACING DIRECTLY OUT THE CREEK.
AND THAT BULKHEAD HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN IT WASN'T THERE IN SOME FASHION.
IT, IT WAS FALLING IN WHEN I WAS 20 YEARS OLD.
CAN, CAN I ADVANCE PICTURES AND STUFF LIKE THIS? MM-HMM
WHICH WHAT THAT ARROW WHEN THE ARROWS BACK AND FORTH.
UH, LET'S JUST GO BACK TO, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA LEAD YOU THROUGH, AND THEN THAT IS THAT, I'M GONNA START YOU RIGHT HERE AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND I'M GONNA LEAD YOU DOWN THIS WAY, DOWN THE GARDEN PATH AND AROUND THE CORNER TO WHAT USED TO BE, UH, UH, UH, REMNANTS OF A CONCRETE BULKHEAD.
MUCH LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE MAYBE
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SOMETIMES STILL EXISTING IN OYSTER BAY.AND THAT IS CONNECTED TO THIS BULKHEAD RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS AN OLDER ONE, WHICH IS WOODEN.
SO YOU'VE GOT ABOUT EIGHT FEET OF A CONCRETE BULKHEAD RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS COMING OUT.
BUT ANYWAY, LET'S, LET'S START UP HERE AND WORK OUR WAY AROUND.
UM, SO, UM, LET'S GO BACK TO THE PICTURES.
SO PROPERTY LINE SOMEWHERE RIGHT IN HERE COMES OUT OF IT HERE.
THIS PIER IS THE PIER, UH, NOTED ON THE PLAN VIEW OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
PROPERTY LINE IS SOMEWHERE RIGHT UP IN HERE.
RIGHT UP IN THERE BECAUSE RIGHT IN HERE IS AA, THAT'S AA AND AT AA WE ARE GOING TO PUT IN AROUND THE, AROUND THE DETERIORATED END OF THIS BULKHEAD, WE'RE GONNA PUT IN ABOUT A 20 FOOT RIP WRAP, UH, SILL THAT WILL ALLOW SOME FILL MATERIAL TO BE HOUSED BEHIND IT SO THAT WE CAN BUILD UP THE ELEVATION A BIT.
AND, UM, UH, TRY TO GET SOME MARSH PLANTED BACK THERE, THERE, THERE'S NO WORRY ABOUT WATER COMING IN AND WATER COMING OUT HERE.
WATER'S GONNA COME IN AND IT'S GONNA GO OUT BECAUSE OF ALL THIS, THIS, UM, BROKEN TOOTH NONSENSE HERE.
UM, AND THAT'S THE SILL THAT YOU SEE, UM, UM, IN THE, IN THE, UH, RED CIRCLE OF A ONE, A ONE.
BUT THE AA IS ACTUALLY THE, THE PART OF THE, THE TIDAL MARSH THAT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PUT SOME FILL MATERIAL IN, RAISE THE ELEVATION AND PLANT.
AND THAT IS ABOUT 385 SQUARE FEET.
IF YOU'LL REFER FOR THE CONVERSION TABLE, IF YOU WILL REFER TO THE LIGHT, THE LATEST REVISED DRAWINGS THAT I SENT MS. NUNLEY MAYBE A WEEK OR SO AGO.
AND, UH, CAN'T SEE FROM BACK HERE.
OKAY, SO HERE'S THE CONVERSION SHEET RIGHT HERE.
THERE, IT SAYS 385 SQUARE FEET.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE CONVERTED FROM NON VEG TO VEG.
NOW, I, I, I DO WANNA MAKE ONE, UH, PREEMPTIVE CORRECTION.
UM, I THINK I'VE DECIDED TO COVER EVERYBODY'S, BUT MAINLY MINE HERE.
AND THE APPLICANTS USUALLY, UM, A MITIGATION PLAN STRIVES FOR 80% SURVIVAL.
SO WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE TAKEN THE A HUNDRED PERCENT, WHICH WAS 1875 TIMES IT BY 80 AND GOTTEN 1468.
SO, SO WE HOPE AT THE END OF TWO YEARS, WHICH I OWE YOU A MITIGATION PLAN BEFORE I FORGET ABOUT THAT.
UM, UH, AT THE END OF THE TWO YEAR PERIOD OF, UH, MITIGATION AND MONITORING, WE HOPE TO HAVE, HAVE ACHIEVED ALMOST 1500 SQUARE FEET OF THE TOTAL OF, UH, 1875 THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD, UH, UH, HAD AT OUR DISPOSAL.
SO ANYBODY GOT QUESTIONS ON AA AND A ONE? A ONE? JUST SO, OH, SORRY.
UH, JUST SOUTH OF THE CIRCLE, THE RED CIRCLE.
YEAH, THAT RIGHT THERE WHERE IT'S DILAPIDATED.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE? THAT IS THAT RIGHT THERE? YEAH.
IS IT GONNA BE LEFT? WELL, I, WELL, I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO THERE IS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH MISSING, AND THIS INDEED IS NOT TONGUE AND GROOVE.
THIS IS JUST, UH, BOARDS BUTTED TO EACH OTHER.
IT, IT'S NOT SIDE TO SIDE BUTTON.
IT'S NOT REPAIR, IT'S NOT REPAIRABLE.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS PUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PUT, UM, WE WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING HERE.
EVEN IF IT'S PUT THESE, PUT TWO BY EIGHTS BACK IN HERE AND SOMEHOW ATTACH THEM.
WE MIGHT DRIVE A PILING HERE AND A PILING HERE IN ORDER TO DO SOME KIND OF REPAIR HERE SO THAT WE CAN, HERE IS, HERE'S THE GOOD BULKHEAD RIGHT HERE.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THIS IS PUT FILTER CLOTH UP TO THE UNDERSIDE OF, OF THIS, UH, MEMBER RIGHT HERE.
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SO IF WE CAN DO THAT HERE SOMEHOW REPAIR THIS ENOUGH TO GET SOME FILTER CLOTH UP HERE AND TO HAVE SOME KIND OF BACKING BEHIND IT SO THAT AT LEAST IT WILL RETAIN, UM, THE FILL TO A CERTAIN POINT WHERE WE CAN GET THIS PART OF THE FILL TO STAY IN HERE AND NOT ALLOW THIS TO WASH THIS WAY AND WASH OUT.SO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING HERE.
AND, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE HEAD SCRATCHER PART BECAUSE THAT IS GARBAGE AND GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO THIS WITHOUT REPLACING THAT WHOLE THING? UM, PI A COUPLE PILINGS AND SOME JUST SOME TWO BY EIGHTS BEING TREATED TWO BY EIGHTS.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO WITH THAT.
WELL, SOMETHING'S GOTTA BE DONE AND I THINK YOU NEED TO TELL US, UH, RATHER THAN SAYING, OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO PUT SOME PILINGS IN HERE.
AND WE'RE GONNA PUT TWO BY EIGHTS BEHIND THE PILINGS, PUT A NICE LITTLE SANDWICH BEAM IN THERE, A LITTLE WHALER IN THERE, AND WE'RE GONNA PUT FILTER CLOTH UP AGAINST THE BACK OF IT AND IT'S GONNA KEEP THIS MATERIAL FROM LEAKING OUT.
SO WE NEED TO THE LEFT OF THE HOLE HUH? TO THE LEFT OF THE HOLE.
THAT PART OF THE BULKHEAD RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
WHO ELSE HAS GOT A THING? OH, YOU HANK RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
IS THAT GOOD? BULKHEAD RIGHT HERE.
THIS, OH, THIS IS GOOD BULKHEAD RIGHT HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS WAS PUT IN, BUT THAT WAS BUILT VERY NICELY THERE.
THESE, THESE BOLTS ARE LIKE ON TWO OR THREE FOOT CENTERS HERE.
WHOEVER BUILT THIS IS REALLY GOOD.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHO BUILT THAT, BUT THIS IS GARBAGE AND IT'S GARBAGE ALL THE WAY AROUND FOR SEVERAL PROPERTIES UP, ACTUALLY.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED.
SO LOW WATER IS WHERE, BECAUSE WHEN THIS IS LOW WATER RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS IS YOUR PICTURE, RIGHT, BETH? YEAH, BETH AND I WERE THERE AT LOW WATER A WEEK AGO, AND THIS IS LOW WATER.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE ACTUAL, WHATEVER YOU DO HERE IS NOT GONNA BE IN OUR JURISDICTION.
I HADN'T GIVEN IT THAT MUCH THOUGHT, BUT LIKE I SAID, A COUPLE PILINGS IN HERE AND, AND MAYBE A, MAYBE IF WE CAN FIND SOMETHING TO ATTACH TO MAYBE A, MAYBE A NEW, A NEW WHALER.
AND THEN JUST BASICALLY I DON'T SEE ANY, I DON'T SEE ANY NEED FOR DEAD MEN AND TIEBACKS IN THIS LITTLE SECTION.
THIS IS PROBABLY, UH, 12 OR 15 FEET RIGHT HERE.
SO IF THIS GETS APPROVED, REVISED DRAWING IS GONNA BE REQUIRED FOR THAT.
BUT I GUESS THE POINT GO AROUND THE POINT HERE IS THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO TOTALLY INHIBIT WATER FLOW HERE WHEN YOU REPAIR THAT 'CAUSE THAT WILL, YOU WOULD NEED TO NOURISH A MARSH THAT YOU'RE GONNA REPLANT BEHIND IT.
CORRECT? UM, UH, SO YOU, YOU'VE NOT BEEN TO THE SITE, RIGHT? I I'VE BEEN TO THE SITE.
YOU'VE BEEN TO THE SITE? YEAH.
I HAVE TO, DID YOU GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT WATER FLOWS IN FROM EVERYWHERE AND, AND FLOWS OUT FROM EVERYWHERE? I GOT NORTH AND SOUTH AND EAST AND WEST.
I WAS THE IMPRESSION IT CAME IN HERE.
NO, IT COMES IN EVERYWHERE AND IT WENT OUT AT THE BACK AND GOES OUT EVERYWHERE.
AND THERE'S ALSO A SILL IN A GAP, RIGHT? LET'S, WHICH IS SHORTENED RIGHT IN THERE.
LET'S GO BACK TO, OH, LET'S GO BACK TO HERE.
SO HERE IS A PLACE IN QUESTION THAT, UH, HANK IS, IS, IS SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT RIGHT IN, RIGHT IN THIS AREA, RIGHT THERE.
SO NOTHING IS HAPPENING WITH THIS BULKHEAD ALL THE WAY THROUGH HERE.
IT SOME BELONGS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
AND THIS IS JUST NOT WORTH FIXING WITHOUT TOTALLY REPLACING.
UM, AND, AND ACTUALLY LET ME, LET ME, LET ME BACK UP TO THE VERY BEGINNING.
THE VERY FIRST DAY I WENT TO THIS SITE, I SAID, THIS BULKHEAD IS, IS, IS GARBAGE.
AND THIS OVER HERE IS, EH, SEMI GARBAGE, BUT RIGHT IN HERE.
UM, AND I NEED TO CORRECT BETH JUST FOR A SECOND.
THIS WAS A, UM, THIS WAS A DRAWING PROGRAM ERROR RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS NOT A BULKHEAD, THIS BULKHEAD THAT'S RIGHT HERE THAT I'LL GET TO COMES, THERE'S A RETURN WALL RIGHT HERE.
SO ALL OF THIS AREA FROM THIS RETURN WALL OF THE GOOD BULKHEAD TO THIS AREA OF THIS RETURN WALL, THIS IS ALL WONDERFULLY VEGETATED.
THIS AREA RIGHT IN HERE IS ALL WONDERFULLY VEGETATED, ALTERED FLOOR PATENTS, UH, IVA ALL UP IN HERE, SALTBUSH, UM, UH, CEDARS EVERYTHING.
SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE BULKHEAD HERE.
I AM NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING WITH THAT.
SO WATER IN, WATER OUT, WATER IN, WATER OUT.
AND THEN WATER IN, WATER OUT, WATER IN, WATER OUT, WATER IN, WATER OUT.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT WATER IN WATER OUT.
THAT ONE AT THE BOTTOM, YOU HAVE THAT LITTLE L THERE'S NO RETURN WALL THERE RIGHT THERE WHERE
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YOU LITTLE DO, RIGHT? NO, JUST THAT'S EXPLAIN THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S OPEN.I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO WHY THIS HAPPENED, BUT I COULDN'T GET IT OUTTA THERE.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S A DRAWING PROGRAM ISSUE.
WHERE WERE WE? WE WERE HERE AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, FILINGS AND ADDITIONAL, UM, ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, SHEET.
AND I GUESS AS YOU TRY TO REPAIR THAT GOING UP A LITTLE BIT, ARE YOU GONNA BE IMPACTING ANY VEGETATED WETLANDS RIGHT THERE A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU NO, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING.
FROM, FROM HERE OUTTA YOUR JURISDICTION ALL THE WAY TO HERE, WHICH IS WHERE YOUR JURISDICTION IS FOR THE, FOR THE RIP WRAP 20 FOOT SILL.
WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING IN HERE.
WE'RE, AND, AND AGAIN, WATER IN WATER OUT RIGHT IN THERE, MISSING TEETH EVERYWHERE.
AND BASICALLY THE BULKHEADS GONNA REMAIN THERE.
SO YOU'RE JUST PLAYING THE SILL.
SO WHEN I FIRST VISITED THE SITE, I SAID, OH MY GOD, THIS WHOLE THING NEEDS A BULKHEAD ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.
AND THEN I JUST WENT, OH BOY, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S JUST NOT IN THE CARDS.
UM, FOR VARIOUS REASONS, IT'S NOT IN THE CARDS.
COST BEING OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THEM.
UM, AND IT WASN'T GONNA DO ANYTHING BECAUSE WATER WAS GONNA COME UP IN THAT YARD NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE BULKHEAD IT, UNLESS WE BULKHEAD IT ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE AND ENCLOSED THE HOUSE IN IT.
AND THEN THAT LEFT ENTRANCE AND EXIT ISSUES AND GARAGE ISSUES AND PARKING ISSUES AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
SO NO MATTER WHAT WE THOUGHT OF IT JUST KIND OF DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
SO LET'S GO BACK TO AND SLOWLY GETTING THE HANG OF THIS.
OKAY, SO HERE'S THE GOOD BULKHEAD RIGHT HERE.
AND THIS BLUE PATCH IN HERE IS GONNA BE, UM, FILLED TO ELEVATION AND PLANTED.
B THE GOOD BULKHEAD AND ALL THE WAY BACK TO HERE.
AND LET ME GO BACK AND SHOW YOU WHY I'VE INCLUDED IT ALL THE WAY TO HERE.
UM, THIS IS THE, THIS IS EXISTING, THIS IS EXISTING TO HERE.
'CAUSE THAT'S A EXISTING SUBSTRATE.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS PUT FILTER CLOTH BEHIND THE GOOD BULKHEAD AND THEN FILL TO FILL TO NEW GRADE.
AND THEN PLANT ALTERNATE FLORA BACK IN HERE.
AND LET'S SEE, DO WE HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT? THE, YES.
HERE'S THE GOOD BULKHEAD, UM, UH, FILTER CLOTH UP TO BOTTOM OF WHALER AND, UM, FILL MATERIAL AND SEE HOW NICELY THE MARSHES IS, IS GROWING BACK HERE IN THE, IN THE BACK OF THAT.
WE HOPE TO ACHIEVE THAT BY PUTTING FILL MATERIAL IN HERE AND BRINGING IT TO GRADE AND PLANTING.
AND ONCE AGAIN, NO PROBLEM WITH WATERING WATER OUT.
IT'S NOT GONNA COME DIRECTLY IN AND OUT OF THIS BULKHEAD 'CAUSE IT'S IN IT DECENT SHAPE.
IT'S GONNA COME FROM OVER HERE AND IT'S GONNA COME FROM OVER HERE.
SO NOURISHMENT IS GONNA FEED THIS, UH, CAN DO IT.
THIS SHOWS YOU RIGHT WHERE THE RIP WRAP SILL IS GONNA GO.
I MEAN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A RED, UM, FLAGGING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE ON THAT POST.
RIGHT? AND THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S RIGHT UP ON THE BULKHEAD, BUT IT REALLY ISN'T.
SO NO, ALAN, WHERE IS, IS THAT C? UH, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S AA RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS NO, THE ONE THAT, YES.
THAT'S A, THAT'S STILL A, THAT'S A, OKAY.
AND DID YOU TAKE A PICTURE OF THE DUNE? UH, IT'S NOT IN YOUR JURISDICTION.
I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S NOT IN YOUR JURISDICTION.
UH, THE DUNE, THIS IS NOW THE DUNE IS REALLY PART OF RESILIENCY.
THE DUNE IS A WALK RIGHT BACK HERE.
AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS, IS ADD TO THE HEIGHT OF THE DUNE FOR ABOUT 50 FEET.
MAKE IT ABOUT A FOOT AND A HALF TO TWO FEET HIGHER WITH SANDY MATERIAL AND REPLANT BACK THE VEGETATION THAT'S EXISTING.
THAT'S NOT IN YOUR JURISDICTION.
THAT'S A WORK QUALITY IMPACT ISSUE THAT ALSO IS IN THE COUNTY'S JURISDICTION.
THAT WILL BE DEALT WITH LATER.
UH, UH, I HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT IN, IN, IN MY I APPLICATION, I BELIEVE.
AND, AND HERE'S THE DUNE RIGHT HERE.
SO THAT'S THE DUNE NOW, BUT IF WE INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THE DUNE, THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, WE STILL HAVE WATER IN
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WATER OUT, BUT WE STILL HAVE MORE RESILIENCE BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS NOT 40 FEET BEHIND THIS DUNE.AND THIS IS A REALLY NICE BUFFER, PART OF THE BUFFER RIGHT HERE.
IT'S THE RP WELL, IT'S THE SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENTAL AREA.
UM, OKAY, SO LET'S GO TO, LET'S GO TO CC.
WE'RE GONNA GO TO THIS ONE NOW.
OKAY, LET ME, OKAY, THIS IS THE END.
THIS IS THE SOUTHERN END OF CC.
THIS IS THE EXISTING BULKHEAD.
AND RIGHT ABOUT HERE, THERE'S A RETURN WALL THAT CUTS BACK IN HERE.
WHAT'S HAPPENING, IF YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIALS, IS THAT SAND IS WASHING AROUND THIS WAY INTO THE CREEK, AND THEN IT'S COMING BACK INTO HERE.
IT'S KIND OF SWIRLING AROUND AND CREATING THIS POINT.
SO OVER TIME, WHENEVER THIS BULKHEAD WAS PUT IN, THIS IS AN OLD BULKHEAD.
WHENEVER THIS ONE WAS PUT IN SAND HAS SWIRLED AROUND HERE AND CREATED A MARSH.
SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA MESS WITH THAT.
WE DON'T WANNA IMPACT THAT BECAUSE IT TELLS ME THAT THIS CAN BE, UH, THAT THIS, YOU CAN WORK WITH THIS.
YOU CAN CREATE SOMETHING HERE BECAUSE NATURE'S CREATING IT TOO.
OKAY? BUT WHEN YOU PUT IN THAT NEW BULKHEAD, WHICH WOULD BE TWO FOOT CHANNEL WORD, YOU WILL BE, I'M GETTING THERE, MR. GATE.
SO, UM, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE OTHER PIECE OF THE BULKHEAD THAT HEADS UP TOWARDS THE HOUSE.
UM, THIS ACTUALLY I BELIEVE IS KIND OF LIKE TWO BULKHEADS.
THERE WAS A WOODEN BULKHEAD HERE, WHICH ARE, IS EVIDENCED BY THESE TWO BY TENS AND TWELVES HERE AND THE OLD PILS.
AND THEN THERE'S A VINYL BULKHEAD BEHIND THIS, WHICH IS THE COLOR OF THE OLDER, NEWER, THE OLDER, UH, VINYL BULKHEADS WHEN THAT WAS A NEW THING, KIND OF THAT PINKISH FLESH COLOR.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO HERE IS I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY EITHER COME TWO, I WANNA COME TWO FEET IN FRONT OF THIS BECAUSE WHAT I WANNA DO IS I WANT TO GIVE THIS MARSH A LITTLE MORE WIDTH.
SO THAT CAN EITHER BE ACHIEVED BY CUTTING THIS OFF, POUNDING IT DOWN FARTHER INTO THE GROUND, WHICH NATHAN SAID HE CAN DO, OR TOTALLY REMOVING IT.
SO THIS, THIS WILL BE FILLED OVER SOMEHOW, EITHER BY BEING REMOVED, BEING POUNDED DOWN, OR BEING CUT OFF.
WE'LL FILL IT, WE'LL FILL IT OVER.
AND IF WE COME TWO FEET CHANNEL WORD HERE, UM, THEN WE WILL CONVERT THIS AREA RIGHT IN HERE TO EITHER, THIS IS LOW TIDE.
SO EITHER, UH, QUI OR HERE INTERTIDAL WILL BE CONVERTED INTO, UM, UH, VEGETATIVE, WELL SAYING WRAPPED AROUND AN AXLE HERE.
OKAY? SO, SO THE TWO FEET WILL BE HERE.
NOW THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CRITICAL PLACE, AS, AS MR WAS SAYING.
HOWEVER, IF WE ABIDE BY THE WATER, IN WATER OUT, WHAT WE CAN DO IS COME RIGHT THROUGH THIS VEGETATIVE WETLANDS.
AND, AND WE DON'T EVEN REALLY NEED A RETURN WALL AT THIS POINT BECAUSE ALL THIS IS WONDERFULLY VEGETATED.
AND IF WE DO WANNA RETURN WALL, I'M, I WOULDN'T KICK IT BACK AT A 90.
I WOULD JUST KIND OF GIVE IT A 45 DEGREE AND MAYBE FIVE FEET OF THAT JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A, A RESOLUTION TO THE STRUCTURE.
BUT ALL OF THIS, THE IMPORTANT PART IS EVERYTHING BEHIND HERE WILL HAVE FILLED MATERIAL BUILT UP TO THE POINT WHERE, WHERE ELEVATION, WHERE OUR ALTERNATE FLOOR CAN EXIST.
NOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, THIS IS A CORRECTION.
IT IS NOT GOING TO BE AS TALL AS THIS BCAN.
WE LITERALLY WANT SOME WATER TO WASH UP OVER IT, BUT WE WANT IT ACTUALLY TO BE ABLE TO BREAK THE WAVES AS, AS THE WAVES COME, WHICH ISN'T, THIS IS ANOTHER LONGER FETCH RIGHT UP THIS FINNY CREEK UP TO THE END.
UM, ALTHOUGH NOT MANY STORM WAVES COME FROM THAT DIRECTION 'CAUSE IT IS A SOUTHWEST FETCH.
SO, BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL A LONG FETCH, BUT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE AS TALL AS THIS BUNKING, ESPECIALLY THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, A PERCEPTION DEAL HERE BECAUSE RIGHT IN HERE YOU'VE GOT SAND BUILDUP AND RIGHT IN HERE, YOU REALLY KIND OF, SORRY, MY THUMBS ARE TOO BIG.
OKAY, SO RIGHT IN HERE YOU GOT SAND BUILDUP.
AND RIGHT IN HERE, YOU'RE REALLY DUMB RIGHT IN HERE.
AND THIS CONDITION RIGHT HERE CONTINUES ALL THE WAY UP UNDERNEATH THE SEAT.
WE JUST PICKED UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF AT THAT LITTLE PIECE OF INTERTIDAL HERE.
WE'RE GOING UNDERNEATH THE PIER.
AND HERE WE'RE GOING UNDERNEATH THE PIER.
NOW WE COME TO AN ELBOW, AND THIS IS WHERE, RIGHT IN HERE WHERE THE
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SILL BEGINS AND THE SILL RIGHT? LET'S, YEP, LET'S, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU BACK HERE.THAT'S DD THAT IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE BULKHEAD THAT EXISTS ALONG THAT LITTLE SHORELINE IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE.
BUT THIS SAYS BULKHEAD TO BE REMOVED.
THIS, OKAY, SO THAT THE REVETMENT WOULD START RIGHT ABOVE HERE, RIGHT AT THAT? NO, ACTUALLY, UM, JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THE PIER.
YEAH, RIGHT TO THE RIGHT OF THE PIER.
UH, THE BULKHEAD WOULD STOP HERE WITH NO RETURN WALL OR POSSIBLY A LITTLE BIT OF A RETURN WALL, JUST LONG ENOUGH TO HOLD THE FILL MATERIAL IN.
AND THIS WOULD BE A GAP BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT, IF WE ADD ALL THIS TOGETHER DOWN THE RIP WRAP, THE, THE SILL THAT'S COMING ALONG HERE, AND THEN STOP AND THEN, AND THEN THE BULKHEAD CONTINUING.
WE'VE GOT MORE THAN A HUNDRED FEET, WHICH NEEDS A GAP.
SO THE MOST LOGICAL PLACE FOR A GAP TO ME IS HERE UNDER THE PIER.
AND ALSO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A LITTLE BIT OF CRAP WRAP UP IN HERE THAT ALSO CONTINUES UP UNDERNEATH THE PIER.
SO LEAVING A GAP HERE, IT'S ALREADY PROTECTED BY STUFF THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
OKAY, SO NOW WE GO TO, WE PICK UP AT THE, AT THE FLAG THAT YOU SAW IN THE LAST, UM, PICTURE.
AND ALL UP IN HERE, THIS, THIS STUFF WILL BE REWORKED.
UM, AND I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO LEAVE IT HERE ACTUALLY.
I SEE THAT IT COULD BE CHUNKED UP AND IT COULD BE PUT IN THE CENTER OF THE SILL AND THEN IT, THE SILL CAN BE VENEERED WITH ROCKS SO THAT IT LOOKS GOOD.
AND THEN THIS BANK CAN BE VEGETATED WITH PATENTS, UH, BEACH GRASS OR I, SO THIS WILL BE REMOVED.
THIS IS THE BULKHEAD THAT WILL BE REMOVED AND THEN CONTINUE ON DOWN THAT LOVELY BULKHEAD.
AND THIS IS THE CONCRETE BULKHEAD THAT USED TO BE THERE.
UM, SO WHEREVER THIS CONNECTS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH IS PROBABLY SOMEWHERE RIGHT IN HERE.
'CAUSE THIS ISN'T A VERY LONG SECTION.
SO IT CONNECTS RIGHT THERE AND IT DOESN'T EVEN CONNECT.
SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY THOUGHT DUMPING GRAVEL BACK IN HERE WAS THE, WAS THE IDEA.
SO THE SILL WILL, WILL START HERE, CONTINUE ALL ALONG THIS WAY AND COME RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PIER.
AND THAT'S, UM, 50 SOME ODD FEET THAT'S IN YOUR STUFF SOMEWHERE.
UM, SO, UM, AND THEN THIS AREA, UH, A COUPLE TREES WILL BE REMOVED.
THAT'S WQIA ISSUES THAT NEEDS TO BE PLANTED AND MITIGATED FOR.
THERE'S A LOT OF OVERHANGING SHRUBBERY, AND THAT SHRUBBERY WILL BE LIMBED UP, NOT REMOVED, LIMBED UP SO THAT WHAT WE SLOPE BACK IN HERE AND PLANT ON THE BANK WILL BE VEGETATED AND WILL GET SUNLIGHT.
UH, SO, UH, THE END, THAT'S THE RESILIENT PROJECT.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? HEY, GO.
IT'S SHOWING A NEW BULKHEAD IN FRONT OF THE OLD ONE BEING QUITE A BIT HIGHER.
AND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS IT'S GONNA BE LOWER.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT ACTUALLY WHEN BETH AND I WENT OUT, UM, LAST WEEK, WE, WE BANTERED THAT ABOUT AND WE COULD PUT IT IN HIGHER.
BUT LOOK, WE'VE PUT THESE, WE'VE PUT THESE, WE'VE PUT THESE JET THESE WEEPY JETS IN HERE SO THAT WHEN WATER COMES IN, WATER CAN CO, THESE ARE JETS THAT WILL ALLOW WATER IN AND OUT.
SO, UM, I CAN, I CAN REVISE THAT.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT MATTERS ALL THAT MUCH, BUT AT LEFT LIKE THIS, IT WILL ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE EROSION CONTROL, PROTECTION TO THE MARSH BEHIND IT AND THE OLD MARSH BEHIND IT, WHICH DOES HAVE A, IN PLACES A LITTLE BIT OF A SCARP.
THE ONLY PROBLEM I SEE HAVING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, WOULDN'T THAT BE SHADING THE AREA BEHIND IT MAY INHIBIT ANY SORT OF GROWTH, UH, WHICH YOU MIGHT LIKE TO HAVE FOR THE WETLANDS, UH, VEGETATION.
UH, THAT'S AN EAST FACE, SO LIKELY NOT THAT FACE IS EAST.
SO THAT'S A PRETTY CLOSE FACE EAST.
I MEAN, IT, UH, YEAH, IT MIGHT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, THAT
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I GET MY DRAWERS IN A BUNCH OF IT.HE'S FACED, I'VE SEEN, UH, TREMENDOUS GROWTH BACK THERE IN MY YEARS AND WHAT'S THERE NOW LOOKS REALLY NICE.
UH, HOW CAN WE GET THAT THERE? I MEAN, THIS IS A, THIS IS THE, THIS LOOKS REALLY NICE NOW.
AND, AND LOOK AT WHAT'S BEHIND, WHAT'S BEHIND THIS BULKHEAD.
NOW TH THIS IS KIND OF DECEIVING.
BETH, DID WE TAKE ONE LOOKING DOWN THIS BULKHEAD SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THAT THERE? UM, I DID NOT INCLUDE IT IN THE PRESENTATION.
BECAUSE THERE IS ABOUT 18 INCHES TO TWO FEET OF MUD BEHIND THIS BULKHEAD.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT NOW, BUT THERE IS, UM, I MIGHT HAVE TAKEN ONE.
ARE MY PICTURES IN THERE? NO, THANKS
SO THERE, THERE IS MUD BEHIND THIS BULKHEAD, WHICH, WHICH TELLS ME IT BEGS TO BE PLANTED.
RIGHT? AND I, I DON'T BELIEVE EAST FACING THERE IS GONNA CREATE TOO MUCH OF AN ISSUE.
IF YOU GO BACK, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
UH, I WAS TOLD WAY BEFORE MY TIME, THAT CONCRETE PIECE, UH, I THINK DUPY RANSOM PUT THAT IN RIGHT AFTER WORLD WAR II.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THAT IS.
UH, WELL IT, I'VE NEVER EVEN HEARD HIS NAME.
AND HE STARTED THE FIRST CONCRETE PLANT HERE IN RIGHT AFTER 47, 48, 49.
OH, SO THAT'S HOW LONG THIS HAS BEEN ACQUIRING, UH, UM, VEGETATED.
AND JUST A SIDEBAR, I HEARD LAST NIGHT THAT THERE IS A, WAIT A MINUTE.
THERE IS A MOVIE OUT NOW ABOUT BRUTAL CONSTRUCTION, BRUTAL ARCHITECTURE.
AND IT STARTED AFTER WORLD WAR II.
OKAY, GO AHEAD MS. SOUND, BECAUSE YOU SAID THERE IS NO EROSION AND YOU, AND YOU ALREADY ANSWERED THE QUESTION, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO ASK YOU, IS THE REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T DO THE LIVING SHORELINE, THIS WHOLE THING IS A LIVING SHORELINE WITH A IT'S HARD, IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT WITH A BULKHEAD THERE.
I THINK, UH, THIS WHOLE THING IS, NO, THAT'S NOT HARD TO SAY BECAUSE A LOT OF LIVING SHORELINES HAVE STRUCTURAL PROTECTION OUT IN FRONT OF THEM.
LOOK ALL DOWN, LOOK BACK DOWN, LOOK BACK.
YOU'LL SEE, UH, LIVING AND UH, THERE WAS NONE OF THAT, UH, THAT'S BEEN IN THE LAST 50 SOME YEARS.
OH YEAH, NO, SHE, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS PROJECT IS, IS GAINING VEGETATING GOING FROM NON VEGETATIVE VEGETATION.
TO ME, THAT'S WHAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE PROJECT IS.
I MEAN, AND YOU SAID IT ALREADY SAID TOO, IT'S TOO MUCH FETCH.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, I'VE NEVER SEEN, UH, BULKHEAD DIDN'T INCORPORATE INTO, UH, LIVING SHORELINE, BUT MAINLY A COSTONE.
BUT, BUT NO, I'M NOT, I HAVE NO, NO PROBLEMS WITH, LIKE I SAID, BUT LIKE I SAID, MEAT THIS PROJECTS TO B IS CHANGING FROM VE I MEAN, NON VEGETATED VEGETATIVE.
OKAY, SO IF WE, COULD WE GO BACK TO THE TABLE JUST FOR A MINUTE? BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE I HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT TABLES BACKWARDS.
WHY WITH YOUR, AARON, IF YOU WANT GO BACK TO THE OTHER TABLE.
'CAUSE THIS IS THE TABLE THAT YOU AND I HAMMERED OUT THE ONE THAT WAS GONNA BE ACCEPTABLE.
MY OTHER ONE WAS A LITTLE BIT, UM, CONFUSING.
SO BE SAID, CAN, CAN YOU REVISE THIS TABLE? AND BASICALLY WHAT THE TABLE WAS, WHAT THE TABLE ENDED UP TO BE WAS IT HAD SOME COLUMNS BEFORE AND NOW IT'S ONLY GOT ONE COLUMN OF PERTINENT INFORMATION.
AND BASICALLY IT'S WHATEVER SQUARE FOOTAGE IS IN THE AREAS THAT WE ARE ADDING FILL TO IS, IS, UM, IS INTERTIDAL MOSTLY.
SOME OF IT WAS SUB AQUEOUS, BUT THEN, UM, BUT THEN IT, IT'S ALL BEING CONVERTED TO VEGETATIVE WETLAND.
DID I PUT QUE IN ONE? I THOUGHT I PUT SOME AQUEOUS IN ONE SUB AQUEOUS WHAT? SUB AQUEOUS? I THINK IT'S ON THERE, ON THE TABLE THERE.
OKAY, SO AA ONE, UM, UH, AA ONE RIGHT IN HERE.
THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF SUB AQUEOUS BOTTOM THAT'S GONNA BE COVERED BY THE, BY THE SIL.
AND SO THAT IS GOING TO BE CONVERTED TO, UM, ROCKY INTERTIDAL.
SO IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL KIND OF A CONVERSION THING.
WE'RE GOING EITHER FROM, WE'RE GOING EITHER FROM NON VEGETATED TO VEGETATED, WHICH IS 1875, OR WE'RE GOING FROM ONE 20 SQUARE FOOT OF SUB AQUEOUS RIGHT IN HERE TO THE CONVERSION TO ROCKY INTERTIDAL BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING IN A SILL RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO FOR THIS LADY.
UNDER, UNDER YOUR, UH, PIER WHERE SIX IS? YES.
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THERE.UH, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT STONE? NO, THERE'S ALREADY, THERE'S ALREADY CRAP WRAP UP AGAINST THIS BANK RIGHT HERE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT UNDERNEATH THE, NO, NO, THE STONE WILL START RIGHT HERE.
WHAT'S GONNA BE UNDERNEATH THE PIER? NOTHING.
BECAUSE IF YOU GO FROM HERE YEAH, AROUND TO HERE, THAT'S OVER A HUNDRED FEET.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE A TOTAL, A TOTAL GAP UNDERNEATH THE PIER.
WHICH WILL BE ABOUT AS WIDE AS THE PIER, WHICH IS FIVE FEET.
SO I KNOW THESE DIAGRAMS ARE NOT NECESSARILY DRAWN TO SCALE, BUT IT'S LOOKING AT THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE POTENTIALLY THE SEAWARD SMALL PORTION OF THE SEAWARD SIDE OF THE DUNE MIGHT BE IN OUR JURISDICTION AT ONE AND A HALF.
NO, IT'S DEFINITELY, IT'S THAT.
AND THAT'S, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S, THERE'S THERE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF PATENTS UP IN HERE.
I SHOULD HAVE PUT ONE OF THOSE SQUIGGLY LINES IN HERE.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF PATENTS IN HERE.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT, WE NOT IN ONE AND A HALF ZONE THERE.
NO, THE, NOT, THIS IS ALL WQIA TERRITORY.
THAT AND, UM, AND THE AREA BEHIND THIS UP IN HERE WHERE THE GARAGE IS AND THE, AND THE, THE EMBANKMENT AND, AND THE OVERHANGING IS, THAT'S ALL WQI TERRITORY TOO, WHICH WE HAVE NOT COMPLETED THAT YET.
SO THAT NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED.
AND I ALSO RE REALIZE THAT I NEED TO GIVE YOU, UM, A PLANTING PLAN CORRECT.
WITH MONITORING SPECS AND YEAH, I REALIZE THAT.
IS THERE, I DON'T SEE ANY DISTANCES ON THE PROPOSED BULKHEADS.
UH, THOSE ARE ON, UH, THE, UM, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? DISTANCES ON THE PROPOSED BULKHEAD, THAT WAS ONE THING THAT CLAIRE ASKED ABOUT.
SO I SENT HER REVISED DRAWINGS.
IT'S ON AND, AND, AND THEN IS IT ON THE DRAWING RIGHT THERE THEN? IT'S ON THESE RIGHT HERE.
THIS REPLACEMENT BULKHEAD IS 67 FEET.
I JUST DIDN'T HAVE IT ON WHAT WE RECEIVED.
YEAH, THEY WERE OMITTED ABOUT FROM, THEY WERE NOT IN THE FIRST SET OF DRAWINGS AND THE SECOND SET OF DRAWINGS WERE REQUESTED BY CLAIRE.
SO I GAVE THOSE TO HER AND THEN BETH REQUESTED MORE.
SO TOGETHER ALL THE REVISIONS SHOULD BE ON BETH'S LAST SUBMITTAL OF REVISIONS AFTER THE MOTION.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE MOMENT? I WOULD LIKE IF, IF THERE ARE NONE, WE'LL GET TO BOARD DISCUSSIONS.
I WOULD LIKE, UH, THANK YOU MA'AM.
UH, CLAIRE, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WISH TO ADD TO THIS? I'M SIR.
UH, CLAIRE, IS THERE ANYTHING, MAY I SWEAR YOU IN? SURE.
DO YOU FIRM OR SWEAR? DO YOU TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN ALL MATTERS BEFORE THIS BOARD? I DO.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, UH, TO THIS PROJECT? NO.
UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT, UM, THAT DUNE PORTION IS, I WAS ON SITE WITH BETH AND ELLEN.
IT IS OUTSIDE OF THE BOARD'S JURISDICTION.
UM, AND A LARGE PORTION OF THIS IS BELOW MEAN LOW WATER.
SO WE WILL BE ISSUING A VRC WILL BE ISSUING A CIVIC LIQUIDOUS PERMIT FOR IT.
SO PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING THAT DEALS WITH THE, THE BULKHEAD ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE IS GONNA BE OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION? CORRECT.
THE ONLY PORTION OF THE, UH, BULKHEADING OR STONE IS GONNA BE DOWN THERE TO THE RIGHT OF, UH, THE PIER.
I'M NOT SEEING MILA WATER ON THAT SIDE.
YEAH, I GUESS WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF JURISDICTION WHERE C COMES ACROSS TOO.
SO I THINK PART OF THAT BULKHEAD IS JURISDICTIONAL FOR YOU ALL.
PART OF ITS JURISDICTIONAL, BUT FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, THAT SIDE OF A LITTLE BIT OF BULKHEAD AND A MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF STONE, WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS THE CONVERSION FROM NON VEGETATED TO VEGETATED WETLANDS BEHIND THE, THE EXISTING BULKHEADS.
THAT MIGHT BE THE MIMO WATER RIGHT THERE, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE 'CAUSE IT IS RIGHT THERE.
AND I, I DON'T SEE IT HERE AND THAT IS NOT IT.
BUT IT COMES RIGHT ALONG IN HERE.
LIKE I SAID, THAT'LL BE PART OF THE REVISION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLAIRE? THANK YOU MA'AM.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR
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JOB? PLEASE APPROACH.UH, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR, ALRIGHT SIR, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? HI, MY NAME IS RAY CONSOLI.
YOU FIRMLY SWEAR YOU TELL THE TRUTH, WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN ALL MATTERS BEFORE THIS BOARD.
AND YOUR CONNECTION TO THIS JOB.
I'M A PO, I'M THE CONSOLI AND CONSOLI PRIDE THERE.
WE'RE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO, UM, JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE YOU HAD ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HOLES THAT WERE IN HERE.
UM, MY HOUSE HAD A BULKHEAD AND A DECK THAT WAS BUILT BY A GENTLEMAN.
HIS FIRST NAME WAS LLOYD, I DON'T REMEMBER HIS LAST NAME.
IT WAS BUILT WITHOUT A PERMIT.
WHEN HURRICANE, UH, IRENE CAME THROUGH, I HAD, THERE WAS A DECK ON TOP OF THE BULKHEAD ALONG MY ENTIRE PROPERTY LINE THAT WAS NOT PERMITTED.
SO AS THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER, AND I'M ALSO A LICENSED ARCHITECT, SO I HAVE TO, I'M BOUND BY STATE REGULATIONS TO MITIGATE WHATEVER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.
SO WHEN HURRICANE, UM, IRENE CAME THROUGH ALL OF MY BULKHEAD THAT WAS UNDERNEATH AND SUPPORTING THIS DECK, THERE WERE TWO PIECES OF DECK.
EACH ONE WAS 50 FEET LONG BY 20 FEET WIDE.
ALL THAT GOT UNBOARDED AND UN ANCHORED FROM ALL THE SCREWS AND STUFF THAT WERE ANCHORING IT INITIALLY.
HURRICANE SANDY CAME THROUGH THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND BOTH OF MY DECKS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE, UM, PIER WERE IN MS. SAVAGE'S YARD.
AND SO I HAD TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO COME OUT AND TAKE ALL THOSE PRESSURE TREATY DECKS OUT AND THEN DISPOSE OF IT BECAUSE, AND ONCE THAT HAPPENED, I LOST MOST OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE BULKHEAD.
I SHOULD FOR THE RECORD STATE THAT I FULLY INTEND ON MAKING ANY KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION ACCORDING TO CODE THAT'S REQUIRED.
BUT I AM OUTTA MONEY, SO I'M NOT ABLE TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF TWO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE DOING THINGS ON THE SHORE.
I HAVE THE NEIGHBOR TO MY NORTH, I GUESS THOSE TWO HOUSES HAVE ALREADY GOT PERMANENT RIP WRAP.
AND THAT RIP WRAP HAS BEEN IN PLACE.
MS. SAVAGE HAS BULKHEAD THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE DOTTED LINE THERE, AA ALL THE WAY DOWN.
I HAVE PART OF BULKHEAD AND I HAVE SOME THAT ARE NOT, I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING UNTIL I AM SEEING WHAT YOU GUYS APPROVE.
AND I'LL MAKE A COMMITMENT TO THE BOARD, THEN I'M GOING TO CONTINUE ANY MITIGATION EFFORTS NORTH OF THAT.
BUT IF YOU GUYS DECIDE THAT BULKHEAD IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT, I'LL DO THAT.
IF YOU WANT TO EXTEND THE RIP WRAP ALL THE WAY DOWN, I'LL DO THAT.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING UNTIL YOU GUYS DECIDE WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED.
I WILL SAY THAT IN THE, I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, I THINK WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN 2010.
WE'VE HAD, UH, MOST PLACES AROUND IN THAT WATERSHED AREA HAVE BEEN LOSING SAND.
WHEN I FIRST GOT THERE, THERE WAS, UM, WHERE THE BOAT LIFT WAS, UM, THAT HAD A CHANNEL BLOWN OUT TO GET HIS BOAT IN THE AIR.
UM, YOU COULDN'T WALK OUT TO THAT FAR.
SINCE I'VE PURCHASED IT, I CAN NOW WALK AT LOW TIDE ALL THE WAY OUT TO WHERE THAT BOAT LIFT WAS.
SO ALL THAT AREA HAS BEEN ACCRETING SAND ALL THE WAY AROUND.
HOWEVER, CURIOUSLY ENOUGH, AND YOU GUYS CAN PROBABLY TELL ME WHY, WHERE THE POINT IS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, UM, THAT USED TO HAVE SAND ON IT, THAT'S ALL GONE.
SO I GUESS THE SAND IS MOVING CLOSER TO THE HOUSE.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO YOUR PROPERTY.
WELL IT'S IF THE SAND COMES AROUND, BUT FOR ONE, FOR SOME WHATEVER REASON, THE POINT, IF YOU LOOK ON THE OLD GOOGLE MAPS, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S A, THERE HAVE BEEN A SANDBAR THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT INTERFERES WITH FINNEY CREEK.
THAT PRETTY MUCH HAS BEEN GONE.
AND SO THE REST OF THE SAND AND IT'S HAS MOVED.
SO WHATEVER YOU I'M, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF WHATEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE.
I JUST WANT YOU TO, TO HAVE SOME COMFORT LEVEL THAT WHATEVER YOU DECIDE, I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO, TO FINISH IT OFF.
THE SHORELINE DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD IF EACH INDIVIDUAL
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NEIGHBOR IS DOING THEIR OWN THING.YOU REALLY HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN THAT'S CONTIGUOUS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY WITH LANDOWNERS HERE, SOMETIMES THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
LIKE WITH ME, I'M OUT OF FUNDS.
I DON'T HAVE REALLY ANY MONEY TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF TAKING DOWN THE BOAT LIFT AND THAT WHOLE PIER IS COMING OUT.
THERE'S, THE BOAT LIFT DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE.
THE HURRICANE AND THE WAVE SHEARED OFF THE METAL STRUCTURE THERE.
I'VE LOST ALL THE POWER TO IT.
SO SLOWLY BUT SURELY I'M TAKING EVERYTHING OUT AND I'M GONNA REMOVE IT.
SO, BUT IT WOULD HELP ME AS A LANDOWNER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GRANT MONEY AVAILABLE, UH, IN THE COUNTY TO HELP DO WHAT NEEDS TO GET DONE.
BUT, UM, AS AN ARCHITECT, I KNOW HOLISTICALLY, UM, IT WOULD JUST BE BETTER TO HAVE SOMETHING CONSISTENT THAT SO THE WHOLE AREA WORKS TOGETHER JOINTLY AS OPPOSED TO, UM, LACK OF A BETTER WORD, A BANDAID APPROACH.
HOPEFULLY I ADDED SOME GOOD KNOWLEDGE TO YOUR DECISION MAKING.
UH, WE APPRECIATE IT AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL BE DOING A JPA AT SOME POINT IN TIME AND SECURING THAT AREA.
WELL I WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU, YOU IN THE FUTURE TO SAME THING.
SO I GUESS MY POINT IS, WHATEVER'S DECIDED UPON WHERE THAT BORDER IS, I'M GOING TO, IT WOULD HELP IF I GET RECOMMENDATIONS AT SOME POINT TO SAY, MR. OLI, IT'S BETTER FOR YOU TO GO DOWN WITH REAR PROP OR BULKHEAD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IF I MAY, JUST SINCE YOU'RE HERE.
SO REFRESH MY MEMORY, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT THAT BORDER? IS THERE ANY, ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE ADDED? IT'S GONNA BE JUST STONE.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT THE BORDER? WE'RE GONNA SHUT IT DOWN.
NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN AT THE BORDER.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS, THIS PART OF THE BULKHEAD IS, UM, UH, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AS BAD AS SOME OF THE REST OF THE PARTS OF IT.
AND SO WE'RE JUST DOING SOMETHING IN THE REALLY BAD PART WHERE A LOT OF THE TEETH ARE TOTALLY GONE.
SO IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME BOARDS MISSING UP THERE BY THE BOARD.
OH, THERE'S PLENTY OF BOARDS MISSING BETWEEN, BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THE BORDER.
THERE'S PLENTY OF BOARDS MISSING.
SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA LET THE WATER FLOW THROUGH AND NOURISH THE AREA TO THE SOUTH THEN BASICALLY.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FIND A PICTURE OF THAT.
WELL, YOU KIND OF CAN'T SEE AROUND THE CORNER.
WE DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT IN PARTICULAR.
THERE MIGHT BE ONE, BUT IT'S MORE OF THE SAME ACTUALLY.
JUST MORE STOP, STOP, STOP RIGHT THERE.
I, I JUST WANTED TO STOP THERE THEN I'LL ASK THE QUESTION AFTER YOU DO.
OH, I'M THINKING, IT LOOKS LIKE, I'M THINKING IT LOOKS MORE LIKE THIS.
I GUESS IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THIS.
I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO NEAR THE BORDER THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE THINGS, UH, ADVANTAGEOUS FOR FUTURE WORK? OR YOU JUST WANT TO LEAVE IT LIKE THIS? I, UH, LET ME, I'M GONNA, I'LL GO BACK THERE FOR YOU, HANK.
BUT LET ME GO TO THE, TO THIS RIGHT HERE.
SO, SO THE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THIS DISTANCE IS.
I'M THINKING MAYBE IT'S, UH, 60, 70 FEET, MAYBE 60 FEET.
THIS STRUCTURE COULD BE CONTINUED TO THE BORDER SO THAT IF MR. OLLI IN THE FUTURE WANTS TO TIE INTO THIS STRUCTURE, WHICH, UNLESS HE WANTS TO BUILD A BULKHEAD, TYING INTO THE STRUCTURE WITH RIP WRAP WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO ME BECAUSE HE HAS, HE HAS WHAT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO MS. SAVAGE ALONG HIS PROPERTY.
HE'S GOT BULKHEAD AND THEN HE'S GOT INTERTIDAL, VEGETATED INTERTIDAL, AND THEN HE'S GOT UPLAND.
SO IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO ME TO TO, TO HAVE THIS BE A SILL THAN, THAN HAVE IT BE A BULKHEAD BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FILL BEHIND THE BULKHEAD ANYWAY BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY 25 FEET OF VEGETATED WETLANDS.
SO THE POINT IS THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OF STRUCTURE GOING ALL THE WAY UP.
THERE THERE WILL BE A GAP BY THE, THERE WILL BE THIS GAP RIGHT HERE.
THERE WILL BE THIS GAP RIGHT HERE.
NOW I CAN CERTAINLY TALK TO MS. SAVAGE AND SEE IF SHE'S WILLING TO, TO CLOSE THIS GAP, BUT WITHOUT MR. COLI'S, UM, UM, UH, UH, ACTUAL ACTION TO PURSUE FORWARD.
I DON'T SEE WHY SHE WOULD SAY YES.
JUST WANNA CLARIFY, GO BACK TO THAT.
AND STOP ME WHEN I'M THAT RIGHT? YEP.
SO NOTHING'S GONNA BE DONE HERE.
NO, THIS IS WHERE THE, THIS IS WHERE THE RIP WRAPS GOING IN.
THAT'S WHERE THE SILLS GOING IN.
THERE'S NOTHING TO, THERE'S NOTHING TO EVEN TALK ABOUT REPAIRING THERE.
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SO THAT IS WHERE AA IS.AND FROM HERE, FROM HERE ON UP THIS WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND I WISH WE HAD A PICTURE OF THAT.
THAT'S WHERE THE GOOD BULKHEAD IS.
THAT'S WHAT THE GOOD ONE TO THE RIGHT.
THAT'S WHERE THE BETTER BULKHEAD IS.
THAT'S WHERE THE ONE KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THAT ALL UP HERE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE STONE FROM DOWN HERE TO THERE? NO, FROM FROM, FROM THIS POINT HERE, WHICH YEAH, YOU CAN'T SEE IT.
BUT THAT'S A RIBBON AROUND THAT.
I SEE IT AROUND THAT PILING BACK TO HERE.
DO WE HAVE THAT TO MENTION IN THERE? ANYWHERE? WE DO.
AND THIS IS THE PART RIGHT HERE THAT'S KIND OF, KIND OF THE, UH, REPAIRED PIECEMEAL IN HERE.
SO, AND I DON'T KNOW, I I, THIS WHOLE SHORELINE HERE IS, IS IS VERY CONDUCIVE TO BUILDING A SILL BECAUSE THE ELEVATION HERE IS ALMOST THE ELEVATION OUT HERE.
IN MANY CASES BECAUSE OF THE SAND THAT'S BEEN COMING FROM UP HERE AND WASHING ALONG AND AROUND THE, THE THING, LET ME SEE, I'M GONNA GO BACK JUST ONE SECOND.
YOU CAN'T SEE IT IN IN, YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT IN THIS DRAWING, BUT THE SABS IN THE WAY.
BUT WHAT THE SAND IS DOING IS COMING DOWN THIS WAY AND WASHING AROUND IN A HOOK LIKE THIS.
YOU CAN SEE THAT REALLY WELL ON GOOGLE EARTH.
OR EVEN ON THE, IF YOU TOGGLE THROUGH THE COUNTY AERIAL, YOU CAN SEE IT OVER THE YEARS.
YOU CAN SEE THE HOW THE SAND FEED.
IT'S HARD TO GET IN THAT CREEK.
IT SHOWS IN FINNA UP FINN OF THE PASTURE HERE.
IT AT LOW TIDE, IT SHOWS UP IN THERE.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT MOVING TARGET.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, SIR.
AND I ASSUME THERE IS NO ONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK JUST ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
IF SO, I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE FLOOR AND OPEN IT TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK CLOSE THE FLOOR? I'VE DONE IT ALREADY, BUT I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO BOARD DISCUSSION.
AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, VIEWS? WELL, I GOT, WELL I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IS A LOT OF F THENS HERE IN REGARDS TO HIGH, HOW THE BULKHEAD AND WHATNOT.
WE, I, WE MAY LEAVE IT TO STAFF TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE DONE AND, AND NOTED.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD WRITE A OR GET A MOTION WHERE YOU SAY, SORT OF SAY WE PUT THE BULK IN, IN AT A CERTAIN HIGH END.
IT GETS A LITTLE, I I, I GUESS I LIKE TO GET A LITTLE MORE DEFINITION, I GUESS IN TERMS OF HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THINGS HERE.
I'M NOT REAL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S A LOT OF GRAY AREA IN THIS.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK JUST, UH, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT SOME NEW DRAWINGS AND WE TALKED ABOUT A MONITORING PLAN, BUT THERE'S, UH, SO, UH, QUITE A BIT THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WELL ENOUGH AT THIS POINT.
UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT A MINUTE.
I'M MORE INCLINED TO CONTINUE THIS TILL THE NEXT MEETING, UH, WITH BETTER REVISED DRAWINGS, UH, AND A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF OF IMPACTS.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT UNDER THE PIER, IT DOESN'T TELL ME ANYTHING WHAT'S HAPPENING UNDERNEATH THE PIER.
ALL THE AREAS THAT ARE REALLY PULLED APART WITH THE, THE REMAINS OF BULKHEAD, IT LOOKS TO BE MORE THAN 20 FEET THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH STONE.
SO I, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AND I THINK WE NEED A BETTER, BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
SO I'M MAKING A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS, UH, UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
UH, ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO MOTION? UH, YOU GOT SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANNA SAY, MA'AM? I DO.
UM, IF YOU ALL COULD AND, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS IN THIS.
UM, IF YOU ALL COULD KIND OF BANTER ABOUT A LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, I WOULD BE MOST HAPPY TO.
I THINK THE BANTERING HAS ALREADY STARTED MA'AM.
AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THOSE AT A FUTURE.
AND, UH, I THINK EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE, SO IF I MIGHT OPEN IT UP TO A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS HEARING TO THE NEXT MEETING, UM, WITH REVISED DRAWINGS, UH, SHOWING SECTION A, HOW LONG THAT'S GOING TO BE.
'CAUSE THERE APPEARS TO BE A SECTION ADJACENT TO IT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE TOUCHED AND IT WOULD BE DILAPIDATED PILINGS THERE, WHICH DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF PUTTING SAND
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BEHIND IT WITHOUT IT JUST WASHING RIGHT BACK OUT.UH, SO YEAH, A LITTLE BIT BETTER DRAWINGS IN THAT AREA DETERMINING WHAT'S GOING ON AND THE REVISED DRAWINGS SHOWING UNDERNEATH THE PIER TO BE OPEN.
UH, I WOULD LIKE MAY MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT A LITTLE MORE DEFINITION OF HOW THE RETURN WALLS ARE GONNA LOOK IN TERMS OF THAT AS WELL.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO OUR FEBRUARY MEETING WITH SOME REVISED AT LEAST SECTION A DRAWINGS AND SOME MORE THAN THAT.
WE HAVE, UH, SOME BULLET POINTS ALREADY COMING FORWARD.
UH, MAY I ASK FOR A SECOND FOR THAT PARTICULAR MOTION? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
A AYE UH, THIS IS, UH, CONTINUANCE MA'AM AND I'M SURE YOU'LL BE IN TOUCH.
IT'S NOT YOUR FIRST TIME, IS IT? OKAY.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR A, UH, SHORT RECESS IF WE MIGHT, UM, CALL IT A 10 MINUTE RECESS FOR THE MOMENT.
THAT SOUNDS, ANYBODY GOT AN ISSUE WITH THAT? SO WHO'S GOING TO REACH YOU TO THE RUN TO THE WILL? THE NAB THE NAB MACHINE IS RIGHT DOWN MA'AM.
ALRIGHT, WE HAD A LITTLE RECESS, NOW WE'RE BACK TO BUSINESS.
MR. YOKER, IT'S CAPTAIN'S COVE, UH, SECTION ONE LOT 9 9 6.
AND IT'S UH, TO INSTALL A 50 BY FOUR REVETMENT ABOVE MEAN HIGH WATER WITH CLASS THREE STONE AND FILTER.
UM, NEVERTHELESS, MS. NUNLEY, WILL YOU APPROACH AND GIVE US A LITTLE SYNOPSIS OF THAT ONE.
THE YOKER PROPERTY, JPA 2024 DASH 2105.
UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS JASON YOKER.
THE LOCATION IS 3 7 4 3 7 BAYSIDE DRIVE, TAX MAP NUMBER FIVE A ONE DASH ONE DASH 9 9 6 CAPTAIN'S COVE.
THE STRUCTURE IS PROPOSED 50 FOOT BY FOUR FOOT WIDE STONE REVENT CHANNEL WARD OF THE EXISTING BULKHEAD.
THE CONSTRUCTION METHOD WILL, IS PROPOSED TO STABILIZE THE SHORELINE WITH THE STONE REVENT CHANNEL WARD OF THE FAILING BULKHEAD.
THE CURRENT USE IS RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THIS WILL BE 200 SQUARE FEET OF NON VEGETATED WETLANDS THAT WILL BE CONVERTED, UH, TO A, UM, RIP WRAP INTERTIDAL AREA.
UM, WE CAN LOOK AT SOME PHOTOS HERE.
UM, THIS IS A LOCATION IN CAPTAIN'S COVE.
UM, IT, THE AREA LOOKS LIKE A BEACH, BUT WE DID HAVE VIMS OUT THERE TO, UH, LET US KNOW THAT IT IS NOT A BEACH.
SO, UM, IT'S PRETTY A CUT AND DRIED SITUATION.
HERE'S THE CROSS SECTION OF THAT BULKHEAD AND THE, UM, IT WILL BE IN THE INTERTIDAL ZONE.
HERE'S A PHOTO OF IT LOOKING NORTH, MORPH, AND YOU CAN SEE WETLANDS UP HERE.
AND THEN WE HAVE MORE WETLANDS OVER HERE, BUT THERE'S NO TITLE WETLANDS.
I, I REVISION GO BACK WHERE YOU HAD THE GAME LOAD TIE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA LOOK AT.
YEAH, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE DRAWING I HAD.
YOU DON'T HAVE IT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
WE, WE GOT KIND OF SHORTHANDED THERE AT THE END IN THESE, THESE LATEST REVISIONS.
SO WE, WE TALKED, SO I CONCUR THAT THIS IS WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION AND THAT THAT IS YES, SIR.
AND SINCE HIGH WATER FALLS UP AGAINST THE BULKHEAD, IT'S A CHANGE, IT'S NOT A LOSS.
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THAT THE CORRECT WAY OF THINKING? UM, WELL, I GUESS SINCE MEAN LOW WATER, IT'S BETWEEN MEAN LOW AND MEAN HIGH.SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE INTERTIDAL.
SO WE'VE BEEN CONVERTING THAT INSTEAD OF LOSING IT.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE THIS OR PACKET? I DO.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE AND THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE AFTER THAT FIRST, MY FIRST START WAS, WELL, MY GOODNESS, IT MAY NOT BE IN OUR JURISDICTION, BUT NOW WITH THIS DRAWING, THAT'S CORRECT.
NOW MAY WANT TO ASK CLAIRE ONCE SHE GETS THE CHANCE WHEN YOU FINISH UP.
UH, LET'S, UH, YOU FINISHED? YES, SIR.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR BETH? NOW LET'S HEAR FROM MR. WARD AND I'LL TURN IT OVER.
YEAH, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. WARD.
UM, REPRESENTING MR. YOKER IS, UH, MR. CHARLES WARD OF STARBOARD ENVIRONMENTAL LLC.
HOW DO YOU DO, SIR? BEEN WELL, I'M, I'M WELL, SIR.
YOU FIRMLY SWEAR THAT YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN ALL MATTERS BEFORE THIS BOARD.
WHY DON'T YOU BRING US UP TO DATE? UM, WELL I GOT IS A FAILING BULKHEAD, UM, WOODEN, A FAILING WOODEN BULKHEAD.
UH, THE OWNER WAS INTERESTED ORIGINALLY IN JUST SHORING UP THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, TO MAINTAIN, UM, I BELIEVE HE'S ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WAS ADVISED BY CAPTAIN'S COVE TO REPLACE YOUR BULKHEAD.
UM, THEY GO AROUND AND LOOK EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, SEE WHO NEEDS TO REPLACE BULKHEADS.
I THINK HE WAS ONE OF THE RECIPIENTS OF A LETTER.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WOODEN BULKHEAD JUST FAILING.
SO HE DIS HE DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF, UM, PUTTING IN A NEW VINYL BULKHEAD IN FRONT OF THE EXISTING BULKHEAD CONTRACTOR SUGGESTED TO HIM.
WELL, ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS KEEP THE WAVE, IF WE GET THE WAVE ENERGY OFF OF THIS BULKHEAD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA, IT'S GONNA LAST A LONG TIME.
UM, SO THE CONVERSATION WENT FROM BULKHEAD TO RIP WRAP.
UM, AND THAT WAS, THAT'S WHAT WE ENDED UP PROPOSING WAS PUTTING, UH, OUT THERE IN THAT, IN THAT WETLAND AREA RIGHT IN FRONT, PUTTING A, UH, STONE OUT THERE SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BACKFILL AND CREATE SOME HABITAT, SOME DIFFERENT HABITAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S ABOUT IT.
UM, IF WE MIGHT PLEASE, UM, YOU DON'T LEAVE US, UM, ASK MS. GORMAN TO APPROACH.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT ITSELF.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT LOSSES AND CONVERSIONS HERE.
UM, SINCE HIGH WATER GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE BULKHEAD, UH, DO WE HAVE A LOSS HERE OR IS THERE JUST STRICTLY A CONVERSION? SO TYPICALLY, UM, WE VIEW OR CHARACTERIZE A CON THESE AS CONVERSION.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING FROM NON VEGETATED WETLANDS TO STONE, IT'S JUST A CHANGE IN HABITAT.
SO WE CONSIDER THAT A CONVERSION, NOT A LOSS.
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT BRINGING IT, IT'S NOT BEING MOVED OUT OF, YOU'RE NOT FILLING IT TO UPLANDS, UH, ELEVATIONS.
SO THERE'S STILL THAT INTERSTITIAL SPACE FOR, FOR HABITAT AND CRITTERS.
OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. GORMAN? OKAY.
YOU THAT SATISFY YOU? I THINK IT DOES.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD IS, UH, BEYOND THAT IS THERE WAS A TIME AT VMRC THAT IF THE STONE CONTINUED UP HIGHER THAN THE, UH, HIGH WATER OR JURISDICTION, THAT WAS CONSIDERED A FILL.
BUT I THINK THAT HAS CHANGED SINCE I LEFT.
I DON'T, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
I THINK MORE RECENTLY, BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING ANY LIKE A REVETMENT OR EVEN A SIL MM-HMM
IT HAS TO BE OF A CERTAIN HEIGHT.
SO I THINK WE, WE HAVE BEEN TREATING THESE AS CONVERSIONS THAT'S PERFECT.
MAKES PERFECTLY GOOD SENSE TO ME.
UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, UH, RELATING TO THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SIDE OF IT FOR MR. WARD? WELL, I HAVE A COUPLE.
MR. WARD, UH, LET'S, SO YOU WANNA DO THE PUBLIC WELL, LET'S COME ON, CARRY ON.
I KNOW I CAN SEE AN ISSUE HERE IN REGARDS TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS A LITTLE BIT.
WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE PREVIOUS ONE WHERE MAYBE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, BUT THEY CAN MAYBE IN THE FUTURE DO A SIMILAR THING.
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PROPERTY OWNERS WERE, UH, NOTIFIED OF THIS.THAT THE PROJECT OF THEIR NATURE.
I KNOW THIS MIGHT BE A STRANGE QUESTION TO ASK, BUT WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THAT? UH, IF ANYTHING, I, I, I DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE MAILINGS AND I DON'T, THEY DON'T MAIL IT TO ME, SO I HAVE NO IDEA.
WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE NO, UH, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM THE PROPERTY.
'CAUSE I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IT WHEN THIS GOES IN, YOU HAVE TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE SIMILAR ON BOTH SIDES AND WHAT YOU PUT IN A NEW STRUCTURE THAT COULD IMPACT THEM.
I JUST WANT, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE CONCERNING FOR THEM, IF ANYTHING.
AND THEN OF COURSE I, I'M SORT OF LATE.
AND I'M JUST SORT OF CURIOUS, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE DRAIN PIPE THAT, ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THAT INTO THE REVETMENT OR IS ARE WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UH, ORIGINALLY THAT I WASN'T AWARE WHO OWNED IT.
UM, I, MY, MY WASN'T REALLY SURE.
UM, MY IDEA IS IF IT'S, IF IT'S A DRAINAGE, IF THAT DRAINAGE PIPE WAS PUT THERE BY CAPTAIN'S COVE, THEN THERE'S AN EASEMENT ON A DEED FOR IT.
UM, IF THERE'S NOT AN EASEMENT ON THE DEED FOR IT, THEN IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THE OWNER CAN DO WITH IT ESSENTIALLY AS HE WISHES.
IF THERE'S NO DEED RESTRICTIONS, THE QUESTION IS IF HE PUT IT IN HIMSELF, IF HE DOESN'T FEEL IT'S NECESSARY, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ONLY DRAINING HIS YARD, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I I, I DO KNOW I JUST CALLED THE OWNER JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO TO ASK HIM, UM, HIS KNOWLEDGE OF IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WE WILL DEFINITELY CHECK WITH CAPTAINS COVE.
WE'LL WE WILL CHECK, YOU KNOW, OKAY.
UM, AND ENSURE THAT BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, WE KNOW WHO OWNS IT.
UM, AND ESSENTIALLY IF IT'S NOT PART OF THE CAPTAIN'S COVE DRAINAGE PLAN, UM, THEN MY SUGGESTION TO THE OWNER WOULD BE, LEAVE IT IN PLACE IF IT'S DRAINING YOUR PROPERTY.
AND WE'D PULL THE, WE'D PULL THE RESENTMENT, YOU KNOW, JUST LEAVE SPACE THERE SO YOU GET TO IT TO MAINTAIN IT.
SO IF YOU PUT STONE RIGHT UP AGAINST IT WOULD, IT COULD DAM UP WITH DEBRIS AND THEN IT DOESN'T FUNCTION ANYMORE ANYWAY.
UM, SO LEAVE, LEAVE A, A MAINTENANCE ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO GET TO IT.
OR MAY MAYBE WE, MAYBE WE PUT A, A MANHOLE ON THE BACKSIDE OF IT TO, TO GET IN TO CLEAN IT OUT OR SOMETHING.
IF, IF IT'S, IF IT'S THAT IMPORTANT TO HIM AND IF IT'S, IF IT BELONGS TO, IF IT'S CAPTAIN'S COVES PIPE, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY, THEN WE'LL GO TO THEM AND FIND OUT HOW THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WORK ON IT.
BUT EVERY, ANYTHING WE DO TO THAT PIPE IS GONNA BE DONE IN THE UPLANDS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, IN THE WETLAND.
IT'S SO WILL A MOTION HAVE TO INCLUDE SOME INFORMATION, UH, AFTER THE FACT ON WHO OWNS IT, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO? I'D BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
IS IS IT, DOES IT INCLUDE US? WELL, I GUESS IT'S IN THE UPLAND.
THAT DOESN'T REALLY THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW.
NO, I, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP.
IT'S A VERY VALID, VALID THING TO CHECK ON.
UM, LET'S, UH, JUST WAIT A FEW MINUTES PLEASE.
UH, I'D LIKE TO, UM, CLOSE THE FLOOR AND OPEN IT TO PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE'S ANYONE, IF NOT, UH, LET'S CLOSE THE FLOOR AND LET'S OPEN IT UP TO BOARD DISCUSSION.
I THINK WE'VE ASKED SEVERAL QUESTIONS ALREADY, BUT, UH, WE NEED TO FINALIZE HOW WE'RE GONNA HANDLE THIS.
UH, WILL IT BE A, A, UH, HAVE TO BE THAT DRAINAGE PIPE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO A PERMIT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
'CAUSE IT'S, AS I SAID, I THINK IT'S OUT OF OUR JURISDICTION.
AND YOU'LL, THEY'LL BE, I BELIEVE THEY'LL FIND OUT ABOUT IT AND THEY'LL TAKE CARE ABOUT IT.
THE OWNER CERTAINLY WON'T, I JUST THINK, I JUST THINK JUST MENTIONING IT JUST IS TO CHECK WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, I REALIZE WE TALK, IT'S A CONVERSION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE CONVERSION IS.
IF YOU DON'T, IF THEY HAVE THAT 204 BY FOUR BY 5,200 SQUARE FEET.
SOMEWHERE ON RED, SOMEWHERE BOTTOM.
UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR JPA? JUST BEFORE I, I'M GONNA PROPOSE I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION, BUT JUST BEFORE I JUDGE, HAVE TO MAKE THE NORMAL DISCLOSURE THAT I'M A MEMBER OF CAPTAIN'S COVE OF HOMELESS ASSOCIATION, BUT I HAVE NO POSITION OF AUTHORITY, RESPONSIBILITY, THANK YOU.
ON CAPTAIN'S COVE GOLF YACHT CLUB.
UH, ANY OTHER INFORMATION, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR IF NOT, I CALL FOR A MOTION ON, UH, 20 24, 21 0 5.
MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON 20 24, 21 0 5 THAT WE ACCEPT THE PLAN AS GIVEN WITH THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE 200 SQUARE FEET OF CONVERSION OF, UH, NON VEGITATIVE WETLANDS.
I GUESS IT'S APPROPRIATE WAY TO SAY IT.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION CALL FOR A SECOND, PLEASE.
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VOTE.UH, GIVES YOU, UH, NO AUTHORITY TO ENCROACH ON THE PROPERTY OF OTHERS.
ALRIGHT SIR, IF WE MIGHT MOVE ON.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, UH, GENTLEMEN, UH, 5.04 THROUGH 5.06, THERE ARE THREE JPA.
IT'S, UH, RWFI PROPERTIES, THEY ALL GO TOGETHER.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO 'EM ALL AT THE SAME TIME UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY ISSUE.
ALRIGHT? UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, I'D LIKE YOU BETH TO COME AND NOT ONLY EXPLAIN BUT WHY WE'RE GONNA DO 'EM TOGETHER.
AND THESE PROPERTIES ARE SIDE BY SIDE ON SHIITE MAIN STREET.
UM, THIS PROPERTY, THIS PROPERTY AND THIS PROPERTY, THERE IS A BOAT BASIN RIGHT HERE.
SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA START WITH THIS PROPERTY AND MOVE SOUTH, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE A REV RESENTMENT BUILT AND IT WILL COME FROM HERE AROUND HERE.
SO IT, BUT IT IS THREE PROPERTIES.
SO I DEALT WITH THEM SEPARATELY IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT ALL TOGETHER, I THINK TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT.
THE FIRST ONE, AS I SAID TO THE, WE'RE STARTING TO THE NORTH R-W-F-I-J-P-A 2024.
24 34, UM, OWNED BY RWFI PROPERTIES.
IT'S LOCATED ON MAIN STREET INTI TAX MAP NUMBER THREE ZERO A FIVE DASH A DASH 5 66 IS PROPOSED.
A 50 FOOT BY FOUR FOOT CLASS, THREE STONE REVENT WITH FILTER CLOTH CHANNEL.
WORD OF THE FAILING BULKHEAD, UH, FILL WILL BE ADDED, UH, LANDWARD OF THE BULKHEAD AND THAT'S WHERE THE LOSSES WILL BE.
ALL THE LOSSES WILL BE LANDWARD OF THE BULKHEADS.
UM, THE PROPOSED STABILIZE, THEY PROPOSED TO STABILIZE THE SHORELINE WITH THE STONE REVENT AND FILTER CLOTH CHANNEL ORDER OF THE FAILING BULKHEADS CLEAN FILL, 90% SAND WILL BE ADDED BEHIND THE BULKHEAD, UM, FROM AN UPLAND SOURCE.
UM, THESE ARE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
THIS PARTICULAR, UM, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PARCEL HAS 150 SQUARE FEET OF NON VEGETATED WETLANDS THAT WILL BE, UH, ENCROACHED UPON.
AND THAT IN LIE FEE IS $2,700.
LIKE I SAID, THIS IS, UM, SHIN KADE CHANNEL.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE WILL BE A, UM, THERE WILL BE A, A DOCK THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO THE SHORELINE, BUT THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION.
OUR JURISDICTION IS BEHIND THE BULKHEAD HERE, RIGHT HERE.
THE, UM, MEAN LOW HIGH AND MEAN LOW, I MEAN MEAN LOW AND MEAN HIGH, UH, FALL ON THE BULKHEAD.
SO THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION.
SO WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON ALL THREE OF THESE PROPERTIES IS BEHIND THE BULKHEAD.
THIS IS WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS HERE, AND THIS IS THE FAILING BULKHEAD.
AND AS YOU CAN TELL, THERE'S A LOT OF EROSION BEHIND THE BULKHEAD DUE TO ALL THESE, UH, PLANKS THAT ARE MISSING.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THIS PARCEL.
THE SECOND PARCEL IS JPA 2024 DASH 24 35.
IT IS ALSO OWNED BY RWFI PROPERTIES, MAIN STREET SHIITE TAT MAP NUMBER 30 A FIVE DASH A DASH 5 6 7.
IT'S PROPOSED 40 BY FOUR STONE REVENT WITH FILTER CLOTH CHANNEL.
WORD OF THE FAILING BULKHEAD FILL WILL BE LANDWARD OF THE BULKHEAD.
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UM, THEY WERE ALSO GONNA HAVE TO USE SOME MARINE GRADE PLYWOOD TO, UM, COVER UP SOME OF THESE HOLES SO THAT THE FILL WILL STAY IN AND ALSO THE FILTER CLOTH WILL BE THERE.UM, THIS, THIS ONE HAS A TWENTY FIVE, A HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE SQUARE FEET OF NON VEGETATED WETLANDS THAT WILL BE ENCROACHED UPON THE, IN L FABIAN 2,250.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS SOUTH OF THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY AND IT'S, IT'S CLOSE TO IDENTICAL EXCEPT FOR THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE WETLANDS THAT ARE BEING FILLED.
SO THE STRUCTURE WILL BE BUILT, UH, HERE.
THIS ONE ALSO HAS, UH, IS GOING TO DEMOLISH A HERE, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION.
UM, AND THIS IS THE PORTION OF THE PROJECT THAT'S IN THE BOARD'S JURISDICTION.
A LOT OF EROSION AND A LOT OF, UH, STUFF HAS BEEN DUMPED IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
SO ALL THIS PART RIGHT HERE WILL BE FILLED WITH 90% SAND AND FILTER CLOTH APPLIED.
THEN THE RIP WRAP IS SEAWARD, AND THEN A DOCK, WHICH IS BUILT SEAWARD OF THE RIP WRAP, UH, ALONG PARALLEL TO THE SHORE OUTSIDE OF US.
THE THIRD PROPERTY IS JPA 2024 DASH 24 54.
IT'S ALSO OWNED BY RWFI PROPERTIES, MAIN STREET INTI TAX MAP NUMBER THREE ZERO A FIVE DASH A DASH 5 6 8.
UM, IT INCLUDES A MANMADE BOAT BASIN, WHICH IS, UM, NEXT TO THAT PROPERTY RUNS BETWEEN THE PROPERTY AND A RESTAURANT THAT'S THERE.
THE STRUCTURE IS A 210 FOOT BY FOUR FOOT CLASS THREE STONE REVAMP CHANNEL WARD OF THE, UH, EXISTING BULKHEAD.
UM, AND IT'S ALSO THERE TO STABILIZE THE SHORELINE, UH, THE FAILING BULKHEAD AND ALL OF THE, UM, ENCROACHMENT IS BEHIND THE BULKHEAD.
THE WETLANDS IMPACTS NON VEGETATED WETLANDS IS 135 SQUARE FEET WITH AN IN LU, UM, DOLLAR AMOUNT OF $2,430.
THIS, UM, PROJECT, THIS IS A TI CHANNEL, UM, EXISTING BULKHEAD AND, OH WAIT, YEAH, HERE WE GO.
THIS ONE'S HARD WHEN YOU FIRST LOOK AT IT.
SO HERE WE HAVE, UH, UM, MANMADE BOAT BASIN LANDWARD.
HERE IS THE, UM, NON VEGETATIVE WETLANDS THAT WILL BE FILLED.
THIS, THIS PROPERTY, UM, DOESN'T HAVE THE PARALLEL DOCK, DOES IT? NO, NOT NOT DOWN.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE.
UM, THERE IS NO PARALLEL PIER HERE, JUST OUT ON THE TI CHANNEL.
ANY WALKWAYS, ANY WALKWAYS WILL BE INLAND.
THIS IS THE PHOTO OF ALL THE EROSION ALONG HERE AND ALL THIS WILL BE FILLED WITH 90% SAND.
AND I, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, WELL, BEFORE WE GET TO, UH, MR. WARD, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. NUNLEY?
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ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MA'AM.IF YOU, UM, THIS IS ALSO REPRESENTED ALL THREE OF THESE, UH, FROM, UH, OUR WFI ARE REPRESENTED BY MR. CHUCK WARD.
WOULD YOU CONTINUE AND GIVE US SOME MORE DETAIL? CERTAINLY.
UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL PLAN HERE WAS MUCH LIKE THE PREVIOUS CASE WE DISCUSSED.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE OWNER WANTS TO SHOW UP, THE PROPERTY BULKHEADS WERE DISCUSSED.
UM, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH PUTTING IN A BULKHEAD IN THAT LOCATION, UM, IS ACCESS UP AGAINST THAT BULKHEAD.
IT'S SURPRISING HOW SHALLOW IT IS UP AGAINST THAT BULKHEAD ALONG THE CHANNEL THERE.
SO, UM, IF WE WERE TO BULKHEAD TWO FEET OUT IN FRONT OF THE EXISTING LINE OF THE OLD BULKHEAD, UM, WE'D ESSENTIALLY STILL HAVE TO BUILD A PIER OR DREDGE TO GET BOATS UP THAT CLOSE.
UM, AND DREDGING WOULD BECOME A MAINTENANCE ISSUE 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO, TO, TO SILT IN, UM, FOR WHATEVER FACTORS ARE CAUSING IT TO SILT IN.
SO, UM, AFTER THAT DISCUSSION, IT WAS REALIZED PRETTY QUICKLY THAT, UM, THE BULKHEAD WOULD BE QUITE DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH, TRYING TO PUT THE BULKHEAD IN THE SAME LOCATION.
SUBSIDENCE BEING A BIG ISSUE THERE, TRYING TO WORK ALONG WITH SHATE CHANNEL BY PULLING OUT WHAT'S THERE AND REPLACE IT, PLUS THE, THE AMOUNT OF RUBBLE, THE, THE MATERIAL THAT, UM, WE'LL JUST SAY GOD KNOWS WHAT, YOU KNOW, IN THAT, IN THAT RUBBLE BEHIND THE EXISTING BULKHEAD.
SO IN THE COURSE OF THE CONVERSATION, THE CONTRACTOR, UM, TALKED TO THE OWNER AND, AND THEY, THEY DECIDED THAT, UM, RIP WRAP WOULD KILL THE WAVE ACTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, SLOW DOWN THE WAVE ACTION, PROBABLY MORE LONG LASTING, UM, AND, AND A MORE NATURAL LOOKING AND, AND MORE NATURAL HABITAT.
UM, AND THEN BY PUTTING THE, THE, UTILIZING THAT 400 SQUARE FOOT T HEAD OPTION, INSTEAD OF HAVING A TYPICAL 20 BY 20 AT THE END OF A PIER, TAKING THAT 400 SQUARE FEET AND STRETCHING IT OUT, YOU CAN CREATE ESSENTIALLY A CONTIGUOUS WALKWAY ALONG THOSE THREE PARCELS.
UM, AND THEN BOATS CAN TIE BY THE TIME YOU GET THE RIP WRAP IN FRONT OF THE EXISTING BULKHEAD AND THEN BUILD A PIER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.
NOW YOU'VE GOT A, A PLACE WHERE BOATS CAN TIE UP, WALK UP, WALK AROUND, GET TO THE RESTAURANT, WHAT WHATEV, WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE GOING AND WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA DO WITH THIS PROPERTY.
THE RWFI IS THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE ROPE WALK RESTAURANT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BOAT BASIN.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE TOWN OF SHIG ON ONE SIDE OF THIS, UM, PROPERTY AT THE, THE TOWN BOAT RAMP WHERE THE CHAIN LINK FENCE IS.
AND THEN ON THE SOUTH END OF IT, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT BOAT BASIN IS THIS IS THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S, THAT'S APPLYING FOR THIS.
HE OWNS THE RE THAT ORGANIZATION OWNS THE RESTAURANT AS WELL.
UM, SO, UH, WHEN, WHEN THE, THE PROJECT WAS, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSED, THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF ISSUES OF, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW'S THE RESTAURANT GONNA, YOU KNOW, THE RESTAURANT'S OWNED BY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE APPLYING FOR IT.
UM, WE ARE PROBABLY, AND I I I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS, UM, IN THE APPLICATION I FOUND OUT SEVERAL WEEKS AFTER I, UM, SUBMITTED IT, WE ARE GONNA BE APPLYING LIKELY FOR A DREDGE PERMIT, UM, FOR THE BOAT BASIN TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME BOATS UP IN THERE.
IT'S EXTREMELY SHALLOW, KIND OF UNUSABLE.
UM, THAT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST I WANTED TO PROVIDE THE BOARD WITH THAT INFORMATION.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING DOING ANYTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, UM, RESENTMENT IN INSIDE THE BOAT BASIN.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE, I IMAGINE THAT THE EXISTING LINE OF THAT OLD BULKHEAD THAT'S FALLING APART IS GOING TO BE THE LINE OF THE UPLANDS.
YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING, CHANGING THAT LINE, JUST MAKING IT SOLID.
UH, QUESTIONS FOR MR. WARD? YOU ALREADY ANSWERED THE, MY QUESTION.
WE LIKE SAY, WELL WERE YOU DOING, UH, THAT, THAT'S THE DOWN THAT SIDE, CORRECT.
YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE THAT, BUT AS I SAID, COURSE THERE'S YOUR ANSWER THEM AND THE ANSWER.
IT'S UH, NEXT STEP, NEXT PHASE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE IS OWNED BY THIS, BUT I'M JUST SORT OF CURIOUS.
THE PROPERTY LINE GOES DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE BOOK BASIN AS FAR AS YOU'RE AWARE OF? NO, IT'S, UM, SLIGHTLY, ITS ABOUT 10, 12 FOOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING ACROSS THE, ACROSS THE BOAT BASIN TOWARDS THE RESTAURANT, IT'S ONLY ABOUT 10 FEET ACROSS THAT BOAT BASIN IS WHAT, 50 FEET ACROSS MAYBE 40 FEET? YEAH.
THAT WAS TWO, TWO DIFFERENT OWNERS NOT THAT LONG AGO.
THAT'S PROPERTY JUST PURCHASED? YEAH, THE RWFI PURCHASED IT FROM, FROM UM, CAL.
AND THEN, UH, YEAH, YEAH, S SIGN.
THEY PURCHASED ALL THREE OF THEM.
WE HAVE, I MEAN, NOT THAT IT MATTERS, THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S, WHAT'S GONNA BE GOING ON ON THE PROPERTY, BUT THEY DO, THEY WANT TO GET THINGS SHORED UP BEFORE THEY GET STARTED.
SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN YOU PUT DOWN THE STONE, IT'LL ALL BE ON THE SAME PROPERTY BASICALLY.
IF IT'S OFFSET BY 10 FEET, THAT'S PLENTY.
YEAH, WE GOT, WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM THERE TO, UH, TO, TO BUILD THAT MENT RIGHT UP.
MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA MAKE THE TURN A LITTLE BIT TOO.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A TOWN DRAINAGE PIPE TOWN HAS AN EASEMENT THERE FOR A DRAIN PIPE.
YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN IT, UM, COMING OUT ABOUT 10, 12 FEET.
THAT'S ABOUT WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS GENERALLY.
UM, THE TOWN HAS AN EASEMENT THERE.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GONNA DISTURB OR CAUSE ANY ISSUES WITH THE TOWN DRAINAGE PIPE.
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I ALWAYS HAVE TO BRING THIS UP.I WENT THERE IN HIGH TODD, SO I'M NOT SURE.
BUT OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S ANY SHELLFISH ON THE OLD PILINGS OR WHATEVER MAKE, IF YOU COULD MAKE SURE IT, MAKE SOME ATTEMPT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE MOVED APPROPRIATELY, LOCATE THEM.
WELL ADVISE A CONTRACTOR CERTAINLY.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS? ONLY NOT.
I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE FLOOR, OPEN IT TO PUBLIC COMMENT, NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE WILL CLOSE THE FLOOR, OPEN IT TO BOARD DISCUSSION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE OR JUST ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, ET CETERA? YOU CAN ANSWER? YES MA'AM.
UM, I DID NOTICE THAT THE TAX GRANT NUMBER HERE IS, IT'S THE FIVE IS SUPPOSED TO BE NEXT TO THAT EIGHT.
AND THAT'S JUST ON THE DRAWINGS CHART.
RIGHT? YOU WANNA REVISE THAT VOICE? I APPRECIATE YEAH.
THAT, THAT ON ON IS I MAKE THE MISTAKE ON ALL OF THEM.
EVERY ONE OF 'EM HAS THE A DASH FIVE INSTEAD OF A FIVE DASH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE MOTION OR NOT, BUT HE THINK THAT'S EASY.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I GUESS LIKE THE PREVIOUS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S A CONVERSION I GUESS WHEN WE PUT IT, UH, PUT THE, UH, STONE DOWN.
SO IT'S GONNA BE 135 SQUARE FEET OF CONVERSION.
NO, NO, THAT IS A, THAT'S AN ENCROACHMENT.
YEAH, THIS, THE, THE, WE'RE NOT TAUGHT, WE'RE ON THIS ONE.
THESE ARE NON VEGETATED WETLANDS ENCROACHMENTS.
THE FILL IS LANDWARD OF THE BULKHEAD.
BUT, BUT THE OTHER ONE, THE ONE IN THE BOAT BASIN, THAT ONE, THIS RIGHT HERE IS A CONVERSION.
SO THAT IS, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS THE CONVERSION.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT OKAY.
APPLES AND ORANGES RIGHT THERE.
I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE, UH, EVERYBODY ELSE UNDERSTAND THAT, HAVE ANY QUESTION, COMMENTS ABOUT IT? ALRIGHT SIR, I'M GONNA ASK FOR A MOTION.
I'M SORRY, I GUESS YOU'D HAVE TO ALL THREE.
THE MOTION WILL INCLUDE ALL THREE.
MR. WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
JPA 2024 DASH 24 34 JPA 2024 DASH 24 35 JPA 2024 DASH 24 54.
MITIGATION FOR 24 34 IS 150 SQUARE FOOT.
MITIGATION FOR 24 24 35 IS 125 SQUARE FOOT.
MITIGATION FOR 24 54 IS 1 35 SQUARE FOOT.
AND THEY'RE ALL NON VEGETATED IN ALL THREE OF THEM.
UH, PART OF MY CALCULATIONS IT'S, UH, 7,003 80.
I KNOW IF ANYBODY'S THAT'S CLOSE, THAT'S ADDED UP.
SO THAT SEVEN, THE, THE, THERE'S SOME OF ALL OF THEM THAT CAN BE CHECKED.
ALRIGHT, HAVE A MOTION OFFER A SECOND PLEASE.
THE THREE J PS PASS, UH, ASSUMING YOU MAKE THAT SMALL CHANGE AND ASSUMING THAT, UH, WE ARE CORRECT WITH OUR MATH ON THE MONEY.
UM, THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS NUMBER SIX, OLD BUSINESS 6.01 IS RESTORATION HEARING FOR BIG CONSTRUCTION INC.
AND I'M GONNA ASK RIGHT AWAY THAT YOU FORGIVE ME.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SORT OF WORK TOGETHER ON THIS.
UM, THIS IS TO DETERMINE CONTENTS OF THE RESTORATION ORDER, UH, MAY INCLUDE RESTORATION OF WETLANDS LAWS, CIVIL CHARGES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UH, JUNIOR, JUST SIT RIGHT THERE.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE? UM, MS. NUNLEY, WOULD YOU HELP US THROUGH THE BEGINNING OF THIS AT LEAST? YES, SIR.
UM, LET'S SEE, LET ME, LET ME BACK UP.
THE RE THIS RESTORATION HEARING IS FOR THE BUNDOCK, UM, JPA 2023 DASH 0 6 57.
UM, VIC CONSTRUCTION IS, UM, THE CONTRACTOR AND THE OWNER.
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IT WAS FIRST, UM, APPROVED, IT HAD A DIFFERENT OWNER.NOW, MR. UM, WHY DON'T YOU TELL US WHAT HAPPENED? MR. BRIT HAS BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND HE NOW OWNS IT.
SO THIS IS THE, THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPERTY IN TI THIS, THIS HAS ALREADY, THIS HAS BEEN, UM, WAIT A MINUTE.
THIS AREA RIGHT UP HERE IS WHERE, UM, BLUE MARINAS, UM MM-HMM
AND THEN THIS, THIS IS THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.
UM, THE VIOLATION, UM, UH, WAIT A MINUTE.
LET ME JUST START WITH THE, THE BASICS, RIGHT? THE LOCATION TAX MOUNT NUMBER 45 DASH A DASH FIVE, UH, IT'S ON THE SHIITE CHANNEL.
IT WAS THE ORIGINALLY TO REPLACE 147 LINEAR FOOT FAILING BULKHEAD ON UNIMPROVED LOT ADJOINING.
UM, THE NORTH SIDE, SOUTH SIDE, NO BULKHEADS, THAT'S NOT CORRECT.
ADJOIN SECRETS PROPERTY I SOLD IN SECRETS.
SO IT ADJOINS A, ANOTHER BULKHEAD ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT THE SOUTH SIDE IS, HAS NO BULKHEAD.
UM, SO THE, WE'VE, CLAIRE AND I WENT OUT TO THE PROPERTY AND THIS IS WHAT WE FOUND TO BE TRUE.
THE BULKHEAD MEASURED UP GOOD ALL AROUND UNTIL WE GOT HERE.
AND THEN THIS WAS, UM, 48 FEET 50.
THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL BULKHEAD RIGHT OUT HERE.
AND WHEN IT WAS REPLACED, IT WAS PUT WHERE IT, THIS RIGHT HERE MEASURES 48 FEET.
THIS IS THE IMPACTED AREA RIGHT HERE.
JUST TO REV TO, TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE STARTING FROM THE NORTHERN END.
I THINK THE PROPERTY LINE IS RIGHT HERE.
JUST TO THE LEFT OF THAT POLE RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
THIS IS WHAT THE PROPERTY USED TO LOOK LIKE.
THIS IS THE AREA OF THE WETLANDS RIGHT IN HERE AND ENDS RIGHT IN HERE.
UM, THEN THE PROPERTY GOES THIS WAY TO THE ROAD.
UM, THE BULKHEAD, UM, MR. BRITTON WAS INFORMED THAT HIS BULKHEAD HAD NOT BEEN PUT IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
AND HE HAS WAS ASKED IN A LETTER FROM THE BOARD TO, UM, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, HE WAS ASKED TO RESTORE IT TO ITS APPROVED PLAN LOCATION.
AND UM, SO HE'S BEEN WORKING ON DOING THAT AND HE, HE, HE MADE AN ADJUSTMENT.
UM, CLAIRE AND I WENT OUT THERE AGAIN AND IT HADN'T BEEN QUITE IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
SO, UH, HE ATTEMPTED TO, TO DO ANOTHER ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IS THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE.
BUT THAT IS BEEN LATELY DURING THIS TERRIBLE COLD AND THEY HAD TO AND IS THAT IN THE CORRECT PLACE? THE NEW THE LATEST? IF HE ENDS UP, IF HE, WE HAVEN'T CHANGED IT.
HE'S DIGGING IT OUT TO CHANGE IT, BUT IT'S RIGHT HERE.
NOW YOU MOVING IT TO THE RIGHT MM-HMM
MOVING IT TO THE RIGHT, COMING BACK TO THIS CORNER.
IT'S GOING JUST CHANGE THE ANGLE, WHETHER IT'S ALL GOING TO YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT HERE.
I'LL EXPLAIN IT BETTER THAN THAT.
YOU'LL GET YOU A CHANCE, I PROMISE.
AND WE, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO HEAR JR I HELL OVER THIS
UM, SO WE, WE BASICALLY HAVE THE, UH, SAME THING WE HEARD BEFORE AND YOU HAVE, UH, MADE SOME CHANGES AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE LATEST CHANGE WILL BE IN THE CORRECT SPOT, THEORETICALLY.
ALRIGHT, SO HE'S WORKING ON IT.
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UM, HOW MUCH WETLANDS WERE ENCROACHED UPON? BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN YOU DON'T HOLD ON, UH, WHEN, WHEN IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT, YOU DON'T MEASURE IT.SO IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT.
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO COME UP BEHIND THE BOOK BEHIND THE WETLANDS, SO WE DIDN'T MEASURE THE WETLANDS, UM, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA BE ABOVE IT.
AND SINCE WE'VE ENCROACHED UPON IT, UM, COMING UP WITH THE RIGHT NUMBER, UH, CLAIRE AND I TRIED TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER WHILE WE WERE OUT THERE AND, UM, SO WE CAME UP WITH, UH, 108 SQUARE FEET OF VEGETATED WETLANDS, RIGHT? IMPACTED.
BUT AFTER WE, I, I FINALLY FOUND THE PHOTOS THAT I HAD TO CONVERT FROM ANOTHER FORMAT AND THEN I GOT THESE AND UH, I'M NOT SURE IF 108 IS ENOUGH.
IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT LIKE, IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT, UM, TO BE HONEST.
AND SO THAT'S FOR THE BOARD TO, I MEAN, IT'S ALL AN ESTIMATE WHETHER YOU DO IT OR WE DO IT.
UM, AND UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE STAND.
WELL, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RELY ON, ON, UH, NO QUESTION, BUT WAIT, UH, HOLD UP JUST A MOMENT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. BRITTON AND LET'S HEAR YOUR SIDE OF IT.
UH, DO YOU FIRMLY SWEAR YOU TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO ALL MATTERS.
WHY DON'T YOU TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON? WELL, I APOLOGIZE.
WE'RE BEING PUT IN THE WRONG, I WAS GONE FOR TWO WEEKS AFTER THE HOUSE OF PENNSYLVANIA, LET THE BOYS EVER DO IT.
I HAD NO IDEA WHAT PEOPLE WHERE IT WAS AT.
BETH BENT ME ON SITE AND POINTED IT OUT WHEN I PULLED UP, I RECOGNIZED IT RIGHT AWAY WHEN SHE CAME, I SAID, BETH, IT'S WRONG.
IS THAT GOING ON THE TAPE? DO WE NEED TO MOVE THAT MIC AROUND A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN HEAR MR. BRITTON? I THINK SO.
WOULD YOU START FROM THE BEGINNING IF YOU DON'T MIND, SIR? I DO.
STAND ON WAY YOU CAN SCREAM LOUD ENOUGH.
SINCE THIS, ANYWAY, GOING BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED, UH, IT WAS PUT IN THE WRONG SPOT, BUT I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
UH, IT'S MY FAULT I WASN'T THERE.
AND THE BOYS, THEY CAN'T READ A BLUEPRINT, BUT NOTHING IS LOCATED THROUGH THEY'RE, THEY'RE ROUGH WORKERS, I'LL PUT IT THAT WAY.
AND UH, I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THAT WAY UNTIL BETH POINTED IT OUT TO, IT WAS I MET HER ON SITE.
SHE PULLED UP AND I SAID, BETH, I SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE GOING TO FIX IT FOR YOU.
ALRIGHT? AND I THOUGHT WE HAD FIXED IT.
UH, ONE THING THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THIS 10 SQUARE FOR THE VEGETATIVE BREAD LAND WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LEFT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE NEW BULKHEAD.
UH, IT TOOK SO LONG AFTER YOU ALL GAVE HER PERMIT FOR MARINE RESOURCES AT THE BEFORE HE ISSUED HER PERMIT.
THE EROSION WAS HAND WAD OR LOT BY THE TIMES I GOT THEIR PERMIT.
SO WHEN WE WENT OUT TO DO IT, IT WAS NO BASIC WETLANDS LEFT, IT WAS GONE.
HE ALSO PULLED ME BACK ON THE FRONT OUT HERE, EIGHT FEET THAT LASTED TWO WEEKS WITH THESE HIGH TIDES WE HAD IN DECEMBER.
THE TIDE WAS IN NORTH MAIN STREET EVERY DAY ON.
SO LAST TWO WEEKS OF GRASS TO BE LEFT IN FRONT OF THE NEW BULKIER.
TWO WEEKS IT WAS GONE AND ROOF.
IT GOT SO BAD HERE WAS WAY BYPASSED.
THIS WHEN WE GOT, FINALLY GOT ALL THE PERMITS TO DO THE JOB.
NOW THE ORIGINAL PERMIT CALLED FOR 88 FEET OF BULKHEAD ACROSS THE FRONT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS, THE BULKHEADS AT THE OLD BULKHEAD DIDN'T RUN STRAIGHT.
IT RAN OUT ANOTHER OUT, OUT AGAIN.
SO IF YOU PULL 38 FEET STRAIGHT ACROSS, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW.
PULL IT BACK MORE ABOVE, I'M GONNA BE LESS THAN EIGHT, EIGHT FEET THAT YOU APPROVED.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT RESTORATION YOU WANT BECAUSE THAT WAS UNDO WAS GONE BY TIME.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS THAT IF ALL THE AGENCIES WEREN'T TOGETHER, IT WOULD BE ONE THING.
AND I KNOW THEY'RE ALL BACKED UP, GOT NO THINGS GOING ON.
BUT WHERE AM I SUPPOSED TO DO IF IT'S NOT THERE? WE'RE NOT LOCATED.
WELL SIR, WE'VE HEARD YOU SAY THAT MANY TIMES.
YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY OTHER ONE.
THEY ARE BACKED UP AS WE ARE AS BETH IS.
IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH BASICALLY THE SAME AS YOU GOING AWAY AND LEAVING UH, UH, EMPLOYEES.
SO I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND, BUT I DID IT.
RIGHT NOW, IF YOU BEND CROSSED, UH, PUT THE PICTURE UP,
SEE IT COST US 38 FEET AT THE TOP THERE.
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A HUNDRED FOOT.WE'VE ALREADY PULLED IT BACK 12 FOOT.
THEY WENT A HUNDRED FOOT ACROSS.
THEY PULLED A STRAIGHT LINE, WHICH IS WHAT I TOLD 'EM TO DO.
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T RUN IT OUTTA THE ANGLE THEN BE IT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT.
ALL THOSE BULKHEADS RIGHT NOW, THEY ALL, AND LIMIT THE PICTURES WE HAVE.
BUT IF YOU GO STRAIGHT FOOT, WE 88 FEET RIGHT NOW WHERE IT'S AT.
YOU WOULD HAVE WE TAP, IF YOU TAP DOWN THE BULKHEAD WHERE IT'S ON AN ANGLE, IT GETS WORSE.
IF YOU FOLLOW ME, UH, PUT YOU GOT THOSE PICTURES DOWN TO SHOWED DOWN ANGLE THING.
AND WE RAN THE OLD BULK AND IT WAS EIGHT FOOT BEHIND THAT 38 FOOT.
Y'ALL PULLED US BACK EIGHT FEET AND THAT'S WHERE WE RAN IT.
AND WE LEFT THE GRASS IN THE FRONT.
IT LASTED ABOUT TWO OR THREE WEEKS AND GONE.
AND THIS SIDE HERE HAD ERODED ANOTHER SIX OR EIGHT FEET, NINE FEET BEFORE WE COULD GET A PERMIT TO BOTH.
SO THE GRASS THAT YOU WANT ME TO LEAVE, I WAS GONE.
UH, THIS IS A BAD AREA RIGHT HERE, TRYING TO LEAVE ANYTHING IN FRONT OF A BULKHEAD.
BUT IF YOU PULL STRAIGHT ACROSS WHAT THE SURVEYOR DID IT, IT'S A HUNDRED FEET RIGHT NOW WITH 38 50, 88, 12 EQUIPMENT TOOK OFF ALREADY.
IT WOULD BE RIGHT WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
IF YOU MEASURE THE BULKHEAD OUT LIKE BETH DID, YOU'RE BACK DOWN FOUR OR FIVE FEET, YOU LOSE FOUR OR FIVE MORE THEN IT WON'T BE AT THE 88 FEET.
SO WHAT HE'S SAYING IS WE WERE MEASURING THIS, I MEASURED THIS TO BE 38 AND WHAT HE'S MEASURING IS FROM HERE TO HERE, STRAIGHT ACROSS THE PROPERTY, HE WAS MEASURING THIS TO BE THE PROPERTY'S A HUNDRED FOOT WIDE AND I CAN'T GO.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO A HUNDRED FOOT IS WHAT THEY WENT.
AND RIGHT NOW WHERE I PULL THIS BULKY HAD ALREADY PULLED IT BACK 12 FOOT WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT NOW.
AND IF YOU PULL FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OVER HERE, STRAIGHT ACROSS SCRAP CROP PROGRESSION, BLINDS ACROSS THIS SIDE, I'M AT 38 FEET.
IF YOU GO OUT AND WHERE BELT MEASURE, I GOTTA TAKE FOUR HORSE, FOUR, FIVE HORSE FOOT BACK OFF.
WELL THEN I GONNA BE LESS THAN A HUNDRED FOOT THAT I HAD ON DRAWING
SO THE BOTTOM LINE HERE, JUNIOR, IS YOUR DRAWINGS WERE INCORRECT TO BEGIN WITH.
IT JUST DON'T SHOW ALL THE ANGLE.
WELL THEN IF YOUR DRAWINGS ARE CORRECT, THE 38 FEET WOULD BE CORRECT ACROSS THE FRONT.
38 IF YOU PAINT, WE MEASURED LOTS.
IF YOU COME ACROSS THAT LOT, A HUNDRED FOOT, WE DID 50 HERE, 38 DOWN.
WE MOVED IT BACK 12 FOOT ALREADY.
AND THAT HOW WE CAME BACK 12 FOOT WITH DRAWING CALLS FOR AND WE CAME BACK IN WITH IT.
IF YOU MEASURE WITH THE BUCKHEAD RUNNING ON AN ANGLE, LIKE THEY'RE RUNNING ALL THOSE BULKHEAD GRAND ON THAT ANGLE, THEY RAN UP TO THE WEST.
IF YOU DO THAT, IT'S 38 FOOT BEST MEASURE.
THEN I'M NOT GONNA BE IN THE HUNDRED FOOT.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT ONE THAT'S GOT THE 15 FOOT, THE DRAWING DRAWN ON THE LEFT HAND CORNER? THE DRAWINGS? YEAH, THE DRAWING.
THAT'S EXACTLY THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO IS THE FIRST, THE BULKHEAD COMING ACROSS WHERE 50 FEET RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
AND THE WE ANGLE FEED THE BUCKET SPEED FOR THOSE WEAPON LANE BEHIND THAT.
OKAY, SO THE THE 50 FEET'S CORRECT.
AND THE 15 FEET GOING OUT IS CORRECT.
YOU SEE IT 17 FOOT THOUGH IN THE RED? YEAH.
YOU SEE IT 17 FOOT IN THE RED.
IF YOU ADD, IF YOU ADD A 50, THE 38 AND 17 COMES OUT TO 105 FOOT 17 RIGHT THERE IN THE RED.
HUH? IN THAT, IN THAT AREA RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
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WITH DO THE 50.AND LIKE YOU SAY IN YOUR, IN YOUR ON THAT, ON THAT ONE ON THE DRAWING, THAT IS NOT A STRAIGHT ONE OUT.
SO IF I'M SAYING THAT'S, UM, YEAH.
IT GOES, IT GOES THAT WAY FOR 30.
SO THAT ONE, SO THAT BLOCK BLOCK SET FIVE, FIVE FOOT THAT FROM THAT CORNER OUT THAT WAY, WAY DRAWING MIGHT GO FIVE FOOT WHAT I'M SAYING.
BUT LIKE I SAID, IF YOU DO THE 50 TO 38 AND 17 THREAT, 17 IS IN THERE, THAT PUTS YOU OUT.
IF IF IF YOU DREW A STRAIGHT LINE, IF YOU, IF YOU, EVEN IF YOU DONE TOOK A SCALE, IF ANYBODY'S GOT THE ORIGINAL DRAWING THAT'S DONE TO SCALE.
IF YOU TOOK A SCALE OF IT ON ACROSS, YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND ON PRETTY, PRETTY DARN CLOSE.
IF, IF YOU GOT A SCALE ONE INCH EQUALS 20 FOOT, ANYBODY GOT THE ORIGINAL DRAWING OF THE, UH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S HERE TOO.
YOU GET TO IT IF YOU GOT, I MEAN IF YOU GOT AN ACTUAL DRAWING, IT'S DONE THE SCALE, BUT IT'S GOT A SCALE TO IT.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS THE DRAWING THAT YEAH, BUT I'M SAYING ORIGINALLY DO, DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO ONE INCH EQUALS 20 FOOT ON THAT, ON THAT UH, SCREEN.
I, IF YOU GOT AN ACTUAL DRAWING, OH, YOU SHOULD IN YOUR PACKET THERE.
YOU GOT A RULER? I DON'T HAVE A RULE.
IT'S A LOT HUNDRED FOOT WIDE, RIGHT? OH YEAH, I'M WITH YOU.
AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE A HUNDRED FOOT AND 38 12 FOOT FOOT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BACK.
THAT'S WHAT I PULLED BACK NOW TO, THEY WENT TO THE ROCK LINE.
SHOULD HAVE IT SHOULDA HAVE HELD IT BACK 12 FOOT WHEN THEY DID IT.
NOW THEY MOVED YOUR BACK 12 FOOT ALREADY BELT MEASURED NOW BULK BROKE DOWN OUT AN ANKLE THAT, THAT, THAT DRAWING DON'T HAVE THAT 17 FOOT ON THERE.
IF I GOT A RULE RULE 1712, IT SHOULD BEEN 12 THAT I SCALED THAT OUT.
THE PROOF THAT'S I, I NEED, AND THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED.
I JUST NEED A REAL COPY OF THAT AND A RULER.
I DO YOU WANT ME TO GO GET ONE? YEAH, IF YOU GOT A REAL COPY AND A RULE, THAT'D BE GREAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOURSELF UP 50, 38.
THE PROPERTY IS A HUNDRED FOOT.
IF 38 FOOT WOULD'VE BEEN RIGHT, IF THEY HAD BEEN 38 FOOT IT WOULD'VE BEEN RIGHT.
AND WHEN YOU MEASURE STRAIGHT ACROSS, LIKE THE SURVEYOR DONE, IT'S A HUNDRED FOOT WIDE LOT AND I'M AT, RIGHT NOW I'M AT 38 FOOT WITH THE BULKHEAD.
I DUCK IT OUT TO MOVE IT AGAIN.
DO I NEED TO MOVE IT AGAIN OR LEAVE IT DOWN? DO I GOTTA BOLT OUT? WELL THIS PART WAS ERODED AWAY.
SO IF YOU WERE TO MEASURE THE HUNDRED FEET, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BACK HERE.
WELL YOUR LINE WILL CONTINUE STRAIGHT THROUGH WHAT WE DID.
YOU PULL UP THE STRING, I DON'T SEE THE PROPER LINE.
THE SURVEY BAR RIGHT CORNER, YOU PULL A HUNDRED FOOT STRAIGHT ACROSS AND GIVE IT TO YOU.
EVEN ON THIS DRAWING, EVEN WITHOUT HAVING TO RULE OR THING, YOU GOT 50 FOOT HERE AND NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM.
AND VM RC, AM I RIGHT WITH VMR, WE DO SEE A LEFTWARD TILT, UM, GOING TO THE 38 FOOT MARK.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I MEAN THAT'S NOT A STRAIGHT OUT MARK.
UM, IT, IT SHOULD BE SHE MEASURE THE PROP.
HER GENE'S A HUNDRED FOOT 38 FOOT.
BUT YOU'RE NOT BUT YOU DIDN'T GET APPROVED.
YOU DIDN'T GET APPROVED FOR A HUNDRED FOOT OF BULKHEAD.
THAT'S, THAT'S YOU DIDN'T GET APPROVED.
THEN YOU GOT, AND THEN LIKE YOU SAID, THEN YOU GOT A 38 FOOT, UH, I ADMITTED THAT THEY DID IT WRONG.
WE PULLED IT BY 12 FOOT NOW ALREADY.
SO RIGHT, RIGHT NOW FROM THAT, FROM THAT CORNER WHEN IT WENT UP, YOU'RE AT 38 FOOT.
THAT RIGHT THAT HOLE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S 38 FEET YOU GOT.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT THERE NOW.
RIGHT? THAT FOUR MORE FOOT BACK PLACE? NO, IT WAS 48 ORIGINALLY.
AND THEN YOU, UM, THEN THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT.
LIKE I SAID, I ASKED YOU THAT QUESTION WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING TOO.
RIGHT? THE ONLY THING I THINK IS THE PROBLEM THAT Y ARE YOU'RE HAVING NOW, AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THE JOG, SEE HOW INSTEAD IT COMING STRAIGHT DOWN AND ANGLE OVER THERE.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU, IS THAT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE WETLANDS BOARD? THE PROBLEM IS, IS THIS 38 FEET DOWN? I'M 30.
IF YOU PULL STRAIGHT ACROSS, I'M 38 FEET FROM
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THAT, FROM THAT CORNER THERE.I GOT 48 WHEN I, WHEN I MEASURED.
AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED HIM TO, TO DO THAT EXTRA, UM, TAKING THEM OFF.
IF THIS IS MORE THAN 38 FEET, THEN IT'S OUTTA COMPLIANCE.
THAT'S ALL WE WANT IS 38 FEET RIGHT ACROSS THERE.
SO IF YOU CAN MEASURE IT AS 38 FEET, THAT'S WHERE THE BULKHEAD ENDS.
IF YOU, IF 30 IT WORKS ON THAT ANGLE GOING OUT THE TOWN.
IF YOU COME RIGHT TO THE CORNER, THERE'S 50 FOOT RIGHT THERE AND YOU POUR 38 FEET.
THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT'S NOT, YOU GET OUT ON THE END.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE THAT'S NOT THE DIMENSIONS.
THE DIMENSIONS IS ACROSS THE FRONT.
YEAH, BUT IT'S A SQUARE DIMENSION.
BUT HOW CAN'T YOU GO THAT IT DOESN'T, IT'S YOUR BULK.
YOUR WALL'S NOT SQUARE, SO IT DOESN'T WORK.
YOU HAVE TO GO BY THESE DIMENSIONS THAT YOU'VE GOT ON THE DRAWING.
WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO PROPERTY.
LESS THAN A HUNDRED FOOT THERE.
NO, YOU STILL GOT A HUNDRED FOOT BACK HERE.
YEAH, WELL, NO, I MEAN YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THE ORIGINAL, THE GUY, WHEN THE GUY OWNED IT, HE DIDN'T WANT PAY FOR THAT LITTLE NO.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S I DIDN'T HAVE THE OBJECTIONS TO IT.
WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, BUT UH, AND IT A TOTAL, AND LIKE I SAID, I AGREE WITH YOU.
IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT, I COULDN'T BELIEVE, NOT FORGET THE EROSION.
IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY GOT FETCHED COMING THERE.
NOTHING, NOTHING'S GOING TO LIVE THERE.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAY, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE NO NEED TO PUT GROUND.
THE SAME PROBLEM THE INSIDE WAS WHEN THE
IT, IT, IT, I I SAY I I, WHEN I WENT THERE, I WAS EXPECTING TO SEE SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
AND LIKE CAN SAY, I CAN SEE WHY IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S ACTUALLY A A BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, THAT INLET IS CRAZY WORLD.
NOW, THAT TIME WAS SO HARD DOWN, BUT IT FALL, YOU BE IT PULL BULL ALMOST UNDER THE WATER.
AND, AND AND WHAT, WHAT THE VERBIAGES PUT THERE THAT THEY, THE, THEY, UH, COURSE HAD TO BE DONE OR THE I WOULD BE THAT WAY.
BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S ALSO CHANGED THINGS TOO.
BUT, BUT, BUT LET'S GO BACK TO REAL WORLD.
THE ORIGINAL THING THAT YOU PROBABLY TOLD THE GUY TO PAY THE MONEY AND GO THE HUNTERS FOOT, BUT HE, HE DIDN'T WANT DO IT.
BUT WHAT SANDY, BUT YOU STILL WORKED UNDER HIS PERMIT.
YOU UNDERSTAND? I'M SAYING? CORRECT.
SO THAT A HUNDRED FOOT'S NOT GONNA BE OUT THERE IN FRONT.
WHEN, WHEN WE TAPED THIS PROPERTY, WE, WE CAME STRAIGHT FROM THE EXISTING ABOVE HERE ON LEFT SIDE WHERE I USED TO OWN.
WE PULLED THAT STRAIGHT ACROSS A HUNDRED FEET.
AND THAT'S HOW I GOT THE 38 FEET WHEN WE MEASURED IT.
BUT THEY HAD TO GO BY THE PLANS THAT WAS APPROVED.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH.
BUT THEY CAN'T, THERE IS NO, WELL, I AIN'T GOT NO PROBLEM MOVING BACK RIGHT NOW.
WHAT YOU GOT SAY I GOT IT DUG OUT.
AND I, AND I I DON'T THINK I SHOULD, BUT I WILL.
SO THAT TAKES, GOTTA GO BACK TO SLEEP.
EVERYBODY CAN GO BACK TO SLEEP.
UH, SO IF YOU AGREED TO PULL THAT BACK AND THEN YOU AGREE THAT A MISTAKE WAS MADE THAT COST X TO FIX, UM, IN SOME FASHION, ARE WE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THEN? YEAH, SHE'S GONNA FLY.
SO, HEY, THAT FLY THERE BE YES SIR.
SO I I THINK WE'RE AT LEAST COMING TO THE MIDDLE GROUND HERE.
UH, NOW WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT, LIKE YOU SAY, THE VEGETATION.
I, I, I CAN'T SAY YEAH, IT WAS GOING BEFORE YOU START.
DO I DOUBT IT? I WOULD THINK THERE'D BE SOME LEFT IN THAT VERY UPPER FRONT.
UM, I THINK WE NEED TO COME TO TERMS ON SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE, UH, PROOF OF.
THERE MAY BE SOME STILL THERE.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN FIST FIGHT OVER A COUPLE OF SQUARE FEET.
I BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART, THE WAY IT GOES AWAY FROM THERE THAT IT WAS VIRTUALLY ALL GONE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY WAY EROSION WAS UNBELIEVABLE WHAT I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME.
THAT'S WHY I'M A BAY SIDER, SIR.
YOU GOT TOO MUCH TROUBLE ON OUR SIDE.
WE GOING, UM, ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE BEYOND THAT.
WE ALL AGREE THAT WE'RE WITHIN A REASONABLE PARAMETER.
SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY BASED ON THE FACT THAT HE'S WILLING TO PULL IT BACK BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE GOOD LORD TOOK SOME OF THAT VEGETATED.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN'T HELP, UH, HOW FAR THEY'RE BACKED UP, JUNIOR AND NOR CAN YOU SO YOU CAN, I I'M NOT FAULT THERE.
I'M JUST SAYING ROSIE, THAT I OKAY BROTHER.
ALRIGHT, SO BASED ON ALL OF THOSE VARIABLES, SO HE'S GONNA FIX, SO THAT THAT PART'S, HE ALREADY SAID HE IS GONNA DO IT, BUT LIKE YOU SAID THAT THE, THE PART I THINK NOW IS LIKE I SAID, THE AMOUNT OF VEGETATION THAT, THAT LET'S, LET'S
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MEET IT SOMEWHERE.YEAH, LET'S AGREE TO THAT TOO.
TOOK AWAY SOME, I CAN'T SAY TOOK AWAY ALL OF IT, BUT LET'S AGREE.
AND THEN LET'S GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE AND TALK ABOUT THAT PLEASE.
ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING TO SAY? ANY THOUGHTS, ANY COMMENTS? I, I MEAN, I, IS THIS A CATCH 22 HERE? I I KNOW WE CAN ALL AGREE ON SOMETHING, BUT I MEAN, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE WE CAN GO.
I THINK WE HAVE TO USE THE ORIGINAL NUMBER.
I MEAN IF YOU GUYS, I MEAN I'LL, I'LL GO BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO USE THE ORIGINAL 105 OR 108.
BUT I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE REPLANTING.
AND THAT SEEMS LIKE CAN'T IT CAN'T, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
IT, IT'S NOT GONNA NO FINDING, NO FINDING WAS IN THE ORIGINAL PERMIT.
BUT, UH, I, I DON'T THINK IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWAY.
YOU CAN GET FROM, FROM THE MISTAKE YOUR PEOPLE MADE UNTIL YOU GOT HOME AND NOW IT'S MOVED.
YOU CAN PUT THAT BACK JUST LIKE IT WAS IN SOME FASHION.
I'M SPEAKING OF, UH, THE LAND.
YOU DISTURBED IT OF THE OUTSIDE.
AND, AND, AND WE BEFORE DONE IT ONE TIME, IT'S GONE HEAD WELL, I CAN'T HAVE THAT.
UH, ALRIGHT, SO WE, AND AND CAN I, CAN I MAKE ONE SUGGESTION TOO? ABSOLUTELY.
JUST SAY IF YOU PEN IT WHERE THAT'S GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO, TO THE, UH, TO THE RIP RIP WRAP STONE, YOU KNOW, PIN IT AND HAVE HER CHIP BEFORE YOU DO ANY POLLENS OR ANYTHING FOR ANYTHING, JUST MAKE SURE SHE ALREADY, SHE'S GOT A FLAG.
YOU GOT FLAG SAYS UH, STONE RIP WRAP.
YOU GOT A, YOU GOT, YOU'VE GOT THAT MARKED.
I HAVE FLAGS IN THE GROUND THERE.
YES, I DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT MR. BRITTON.
IS IT, YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS LONGER THAN ANY OF US.
ALL OF US ADDED UP TOGETHER, PARTICULARLY ON CHIN TANK.
BUT I AIN'T NEVER BOTHERED BEFORE THOUGH, SIR.
UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL 108 FEET AND IF YOU AGREE TO DISAGREE, THEN WE GO TO THE NEXT, UH, UH, DECISION BEYOND THAT YET.
WE'VE AGREED TO GO BACK, GO GET FOUR WHEEL FOOT FLAG OR FIVE, WHATEVER IT WAS.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO PAY THE A HUNDRED, 108? YOU GONNA PAY THE 108 FEET? YES OR NO? EIGHT SIR, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, SIR.
ARE YOU GONNA PAY IT OR NOT? I'LL PAY, HE'S GOT 108 FEET.
I'M DONE PUTTING IT BACK LIKE IT IS.
YES, THAT'S THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
SO THE NEXT PART OF THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAGE THAT SHE GAVE US, THERE IS, UH, POTENTIALLY FOR THIS VIOLATION, A CIVIL CHARGE UP TO 10 GRAND.
UNLESS WE DON'T WANT, COME ON HANK.
I DON'T WANT, I, I APPRECIATE YOU.
IT'S RIGHT HERE AND I AGREE IT'S RIGHT THERE.
BUT I'M WORRIED WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT, BUT WE WANT IT BACK LIKE IT WAS, WE WANT A FRIEND, WE WANT A MAN THAT'S BEEN AROUND 60, 70, 80 YEARS AND KNOWS MORE ABOUT THAT THAN ANYBODY.
SO IF HE'S GONNA PAY THE 108, HE'S GONNA PUT IT BACK EXACTLY LIKE IT WAS.
WE ARE ALL AGREEING, WE'RE ALL OUT OF IT.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY CIVIL, OKAY.
UH, NOW I I'M GOING, I'M 1 0 5.
SO TALK TO ME I 108 TIMES 18 PLEASE.
BUT, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH.
PUT SOMETHING BEYOND THE I GOT 19.
ALRIGHT, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THIS AREA AROUND HERE? IS THAT, IS THAT BULKHEAD OR THEN IT'S GONNA BE, UH, UM, YEAH, IT'S GONNA EVENTUALLY BE A SUBA.
IT'S EVENTUALLY GONNA BE, RIGHT NOW IT'S NON-TITLE WETLANDS.
IT'LL BE NON-IT, NON-IT NON VEGATIVE.
AND IN SHORT TERM NON, I DON'T EXPECT ANY MORE SEVERE NON VEGATIVE.
IT'S JUST NOT GONNA BE DONE WORSE.
ALL, UH, DEFINITELY KEEP EVERYTHING OUT THERE.
UH, EVERYTHING IS PUT BACK LIKE IT WAS AND IN TIME IT'LL BE JUST LIKE IT WAS BEFORE.
THANK, I'LL MAKE A, I'LL MAKE, WELL IT'S NOT EVEN A JPA BUT I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT, UM, ON THE RESTORATION FOR HEARING FOR MR. UH, UH, JUNIOR BRITVIC CONSTRUCTION THAT HE RESTORED BACK TO WHERE THE ORIGINAL, UH, PERMIT PLAN WAS AND THE HELP HAD A $1,944, UH, UH, FOR THE VEGETATIVE WETLANDS THAT WAS DISTURBED.
HOW ABOUT A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT VOTE PLEASE.
WE GOING TO DO IT? YEAH, WE DO.
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IT WAS TOO COLD THIS WEEK WAS IT'S TOO COLD TO THINK.YOU'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.
I'M SORRY IT HAPPENED, BUT WE'VE ALL, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HELP SOMETIMES.
I'M SORRY ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS IN MY LIFE, SIR.
I HEARD SOME BAD STUFF ABOUT YOU.
UM, UH, THE NUMBER SEVEN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES WILL BE NEXT MONTH.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS, UM, OUR, UH, NEXT MEETING WILL BE FEBRUARY 27TH.
THURSDAY, 10 O'CLOCK RIGHT HERE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, WANNA TALK ABOUT ANYTHING? ALRIGHT.
I'D ASK FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN MR. A THANK YOU.