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WE HAVE A QUORUM[Planning Commission Regular Meeting on March 12, 2025]
WITH MR. GAIL AND MR. ROGERS.UM, I GUESS WE'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW, UH, COMMISSIONERS, MR. HAROLD WHITE AND MS. SHEILA CONNOR.
AND MS. MYRA TAYLOR, RILEY, ROBIN TAYLOR.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR SUBTRACTIONS TO THE AGENDA? ANY MOTION TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN? I MOVE.
WE ADOPTED, WRITTEN THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
A MOTION IS SECOND TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN.
MOVE ON TO THE MINUTES OF WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 8TH, 2025.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS? HEARING NONE.
MOVE THAT THE MINUTES BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED.
WE'LL MOVE TO WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 12TH MINUTES.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS TO
WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM THAT DATE.
WE CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO, UM, SPEAK? OKAY.
I GUESS WE CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
HAMMOND, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING OR WELL, UM, GO THROUGH OLD BUSINESS? THAT'S UP TO THE, UH, IT'S UP TO YOU MADAM CHAIR.
WHICHEVER ORDER YOU WANT ME TO GO IN.
WE'RE, WE'RE, OUR, OUR SLIDE DECK IS PREPARED IN AGENDA ORDER, BUT WE ARE MORE THAN CAPABLE OF SWITCHING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF YOU WANT TO DISPENSE WITH THAT, PLEASE.
WE'LL MOVE TO OLD BUSINESS AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 78, SUBDIVISION AND CHAPTER 1 0 6 ZONING REGARDING THE DEFINITION OF SUBDIVISION DIVISIONS.
UM, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
WE PBI DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I'D FIRST LIKE TO, ON BEHALF OF THE STAFF, WELCOME THE NEW PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, UM, UH, MYRA, SHEILA, AND HAROLD, UH, FOR, UH, BEING HERE.
UM, THE STAFF MET INDIVIDUALLY WITH THE THREE NEW PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND GAVE 'EM A LITTLE BIT OF ABOUT AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF BRIEFING, UM, ON AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE COULD FIT IN THAT.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, WELCOME, THANK YOU FOR, UH, UH, THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING TO SERVE, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
SO, UH, THIS, UM, THESE NEXT COUPLE OF ITEMS ARE ITEMS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW, AND THE STAFF IS READY TO REQUEST PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THOSE.
UH, THESE BRIEFINGS FOR THESE TWO ITEMS ARE, UH, NOT GONNA BE VERY LONG FOR THE REST OF THE EVENING.
WE HOPE TO KEEP, UH, OUR BRIEFINGS SHORT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND TRY TO, UH, UH, EXPLAIN ANYTHING THAT NEEDS EXPLAINING.
SO THE, SO WHEN WE FIRST STARTED OUR CONVERSATION SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, ACTUALLY GOING ON OVER A YEAR AGO, WE HAD BROUGHT TO YOU FOUR DIFFERENT, UM, FOUR DIFFERENT, UH, PROPOSED ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY DISPENSED WITH TWO OF THEM BEING THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL OR THE, UH, UH, CHESAPEAKE AREA, UH, CHESAPEAKE ATLANTIC PRESERVATION, UH, AREA.
AND THEN ALSO THE, UH, THE, UH, POULTRY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, WHICH LEFT TO, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED MADAM CHAIR, WE ARE PROPOSING A, UH, A, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO THE DEFINITION OF SUBDIVISION.
AND WE ALSO WANT TO SPECIFY HOW LONG AN APPROVAL FOR A SITE PLAN IS GOOD FOR.
SO, MOVING ON, UM, AGAIN, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ISSUED, UH, ISSUED RESOLUTIONS ON, UH, ON, UH, UH, FEBRUARY 21ST OF LAST YEAR TO, UH, AMEND THE DEFINITION OF, UH, OF SUBDIVISION, UH, THE DEFINITION OF SUBDIVISIONS AND ALSO, UH, SUBDIVISION APPROVALS AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ADJUSTMENT OF BOUNDARY LINES, VACATION OF LOT LINES, AND OTHER DIVISIONS OF LAND.
UH, I THINK WE'VE GOT THE WRONG SLIDE DECK ON HERE.
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I MIGHT HAVE, CAN, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE, UH, YEAH, COME AHEAD.THIS IS DEFINITELY DON'T BE AFRAID TO EXPAND.
UH, WE'VE GOT SOME, UH, HERE WE GO.
SO, UH, STARTING HERE, UH, TWO RESOLUTIONS COVERING, OH, HANG ON A SECOND.
NOW THIS IS, THIS IS GOING TO THE, THIS IS GOING TO ADVANCE.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE ON WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT.
UM, FOR THE, FOR THE SUBDIVISIONS, THE MAIN THING IS RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, UH, THE DEFINITION OF, UH, OF SUBDIVISION IS CURRENTLY A SPLIT OF ONE LOT INTO THREE LOTS.
AND THAT HAS INDEED CREATED SOME GRAY AREA FOR US ON STAFF.
AND WHAT, WHAT THAT HAS, UH, WHAT THAT HAS MEANT IS A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS GOING STRAIGHT TO RECORDATION WITHOUT STAFF REVIEW OR APPROVAL.
SO, UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PLATS IN THE COURTHOUSE THAT, UH, UM, THAT WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR PERMITS, WE SAY THAT IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A PROPER LOT, IT DOESN'T MEET THE ORDINANCE.
AND, UH, THERE ARE A WHOLE OTHER LITANY OF ISSUES THAT GO WITH NOT HAVING THE STAFF REVIEW A SUBDIVISION BEFORE IT GOES TO RECORDATION.
SO THIS GRAY AREA, BY, BY REDUCING THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT, UH, UH, THAT, UM, THAT GOES INTO A SUBDIVISION FROM ONE LOT INTO THREE LOTS, TO ONE LOT INTO TWO LOTS, UH, WILL ELIMINATE THAT GRAY AREA.
SO ANY SUBDIVISION ACTION WILL BE, UH, WILL BE SUBJECT TO STAFF REVIEW.
UH, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE BEEN, UH, LOOKING AT THE MATERIALS FOR, UM, FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW, AND STAFF IS AT THIS TIME REQUESTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR NEXT MONTH, APRIL 9TH.
THE TERMS OF VALIDITY ON THAT SAME EVENING, ON THAT SAME EVENING, UM, FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THEY ISSUED A RESOLUTION ON FEBRUARY 21ST, 2024.
AND THE ISSUE THERE IS THAT THE ORDINANCE IS SILENT ON FOR HOW LONG CERTAIN APPROVALS ARE VALID, PARTICULARLY SITE PLANS AND, UH, AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
IT HAD BEEN, UM, IT HAD BEEN, UH, BASICALLY SPECIFIED BY STAFF AND POLICY.
AND, UH, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO, UH, IS TO PROVIDE THAT VERY SPECIFICALLY AND ENCODE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND WHAT WE ARE, UH, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR SITE PLANS AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS IS A FIVE YEAR, UH, IS A FIVE YEAR TERM OF VALIDITY.
SO, UH, THAT IS ALSO IN CONJUNCTION WITH STATE CODE AND, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE LACK OF LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE, WE CAN'T SAY IN AN APPROVAL LETTER HOW LONG THEIR, HOW LONG THEIR, UM, THEIR, UH, APPROVAL IS GOOD FOR.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO CLOSE THAT LOOPHOLE.
AND LIKEWISE, WE ARE REQUESTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR APRIL 9TH ON SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE BEEN PRESENTING OVER THE SE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
OF COURSE, YOU HAVE THAT, UM, UH, YOU'LL HAVE THAT IN YOUR PACKET NEXT MONTH.
UH, THERE WERE, UH, THERE WERE SEVERAL MONTHS OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO WHERE, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE HAD THAT LANGUAGE.
AND THAT LANGUAGE HAS, UH, REMAINED LARGELY THE SAME SINCE YOU FIRST SAW IT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF'S COMMENTS ON THESE, ON THESE TWO, UH, ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
UH, I CAN TRY TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME ON THAT.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF SUBDIVISION? WAS THAT NOT A PROVISION THAT WE HAD THAT, UH, STAFF COULD APPROVE WITHOUT PUBLIC HEARING OR, YES, SIR.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW, STATE CODE STATE CODE WAS AMENDED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND OUR CODE NOW, AND OUR CODE IS JUST NOW CATCHING UP WITH THE, WITH THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, STATE CODE WAS CHANGED TO ALLOW ANY SUBDIVISION OF, UH, OF LESS THAN 50 LOTS TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY
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WITHOUT A PRELIMINARY PLAT.SO, ONE EXAMPLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION GETTING INVOLVED IN A SUBDIVISION FOR A DETAILED PRELIMINARY PLAT, WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT ON ONE.
OF COURSE, THEIR, THEIR PROPOSAL IS FOR 130 LOTS, WHICH IS WELL IN, IN EXCESS OF THE 50, UH, FOR A, UH, FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
BUT THAT IS, UH, THAT IS THE THRESHOLD ESSENTIALLY, FOR WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD, WOULD SEE AND WHAT COULD BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY WITH JUST THE STAFF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO HOW WOULD ONE GO ABOUT SPLITTING A LOT IN THE TWO LOTS NOW? UM, WE HAVE BEEN REQUESTING, SO TECHNICALLY THEY COULD JUST, THEY COULD CONTACT A SURVEYOR AND, UH, AND HAVE IT DRAWN UP AND JUST BYPASS THE STAFF AND GO STRAIGHT TO THE CIRCUIT COURT.
NOW, WE HAVE ASKED THE CIRCUIT COURT NOT TO RECORD ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT HAVE OUR SIGNATURE ON IT.
BUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, IF SOMEONE WERE TO PRESS HARD ENOUGH ON THAT, THEY COULD GO STRAIGHT TO THE, UH, TO THE CIRCUIT COURT AND DO THAT.
BUT WE DO HAVE THAT AGREEMENT WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT.
CAN YOU GIMME AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM? WELL, LET'S SEE.
UM, SOMEBODY CUTS ONE INTO THREE AND THEN THEY COME TO YOU FOR A PERMIT.
CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THAT? WHAT, WHAT THE PROBLEM IS? SO GOING FROM ONE TO THREE ISN'T AN ISSUE BECAUSE MOST OF THE SURVEYORS AND ATTORNEYS KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO COME TO US.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE, IT'S THE, UH, THE, THE LOT SPLITS AND THERE ARE SEVERAL, UH, THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL REAL WORLD EXAMPLES THAT WE COULD SHOW YOU.
UM, LAST YEAR, I SHOULD SAY, BACK IN 2023, SHORTLY AFTER I ARRIVED, THE, THE, UH, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD, AND, AND THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT WAS IN PROCESS BEFORE I EVEN GOT HERE, BUT THERE WAS A, UH, THERE WAS A, UH, SITUATION HERE IN THE COUNTY WHERE SOMEONE HAD TAKEN A, A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SUBDIVIDED IT, BUT IT DID NOT HAVE ROAD FRONTAGE.
ALL NEW LOTS MUST HAVE ROAD FRONTAGE OF SOME KIND, BUT THIS ONE DID NOT.
SO, SO THEY WENT TO, THEY WENT TO THE CIRCUIT COURT AND RECORDED THEIR, UH, RECORDED THEIR, UH, THEIR PLAT CAME IN FOR A PERMIT TO BUILD A HOUSE.
AND THE, UM, AND, UH, UH, AND THE STAFF PUT A HOLD ON THAT BECAUSE IT WAS, BECAUSE THE LOT DIDN'T HAVE THE NECESSARY FRONTAGE.
UH, THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS WITH, WITH NOT HAVING THE STAFF TAKE A LOOK AT THESE, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THESE, UH, SUBDIVISIONS, IS THAT, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, A A FAMILY MAY SAY, OKAY, WELL, YOU CAN HAVE THAT PIECE BACK, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE THIS PART WAY BACK IN THE BACK, UM, AND WE'LL JUST LET YOU, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH HERE WITH OR WITHOUT AN EASEMENT.
BUT AN EASEMENT TYPICALLY IS NOT, UH, IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THE ROAD FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT.
SO, UH, THAT'S JUST ONE OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UH, KINDS OF ISSUES.
A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH AREN'T, UH, IT COULD BE THAT THE LOT WAS TOO SMALL, THAT THEY SUBDIVIDED IT TOO SMALL IF THERE'S A FIVE ACRE MINIMUM, AND IF IT WASN'T A FAMILY SUBDIVISION, WHICH ALLOWS FOR SMALLER LOTS IN, IN AG, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THAT IS DEFINITELY, UH, THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER ISSUE IS, IS LOT SIZE, LOT SIZE FRONTAGE, LACK OF ROAD FRONTAGE.
UH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE THREE MAIN, UM, UH, THE THREE MAIN ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE A, UH, A PLAT BEFORE IT'S RECORDED SO YOU CAN STOP THAT SUBDIVISION FROM OCCURRING.
SUPPOSE, UH, YOU SAID THAT AN EASEMENT IS NOT SUFFICIENT.
UH, SUPPOSE A FAMILY MEMBER YOU WANTED TO PUT AN IN-LAW QUARTERS AT THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE AND BUILD SOMETHING THERE AND WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE THEM AN EASEMENT TO IN AND OUT OF THE ROAD, YOU WOULD LOCK THAT? WELL, UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD TRY TO PROVIDE SOME OPTIONS THERE.
UM, THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR HAVING MORE THAN, THAN ONE, THAN ONE HOUSE ON A LOT.
SO IF, IF THE END GOAL WAS TO SIMPLY HAVE A, UM, UH, AN IN-LAW SUITE OR A GRANNY FLAT OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, THEN THERE ARE OPTIONS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR DOING THAT, FOR DOING THAT.
IT'S JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO SUBDIVIDE THAT OFF, UH, IT, IT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC.
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RIGHT.WHAT'S THE REMEDY NOW FOR, FOR YOU WHEN, WHEN THAT OCCURS? WHAT IN MR. SPARKMAN SCENARIO? OR JUST ANY SCENARIO, ANY OF THOSE? UM, THOSE OF US ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE ARE, WE'RE BASICALLY UMPIRES.
WE CALL THE BALLS AND STRIKES.
SO IF IT, UH, IF IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE, WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE START.
AND THEN WE DO TRY TO FIND OTHER, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, IF THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT MAYBE THE SURVEYOR HADN'T CONSIDERED, THEN WE WOULD TRY TO BRING THOSE TO LIGHT.
UH, WE, WE TRY TO PROVIDE SOLUTIONS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THERE ARE NO SOLUTIONS TO BE HAD, THEN THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY HAVE TO BUY ADDITIONAL PROPERTY OR RETHINK THE PLAN.
SOMETIMES THE ANSWER IS NO, UNFORTUNATELY.
SO, DO YOU NEED A MOTION FOR US TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING? YES, SIR.
I HAVE ONE COMMENT, BUT OH, OH, ON, UM, LINE 4 67, PAGE 12.
I WANNA GO BACK TO THE FIVE DAY NOTICE FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
LIKE, SEE THAT CHANGE BACK TO 10 DAYS.
I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD, BUT FIVE DAYS JUST ISN'T ENOUGH AROUND THAT.
I THINK I'M ON THE RIGHT, ON THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, CHAPTER 78 OF SUBDIVISION DEFINITIONS.
WELL, I ONLY HAVE EIGHT PAGES ON THE, UNDER THIS HEADING.
SO IT'S A, UH, NOTICE OF ADJOINING LAND OWNERS FIVE DAYS.
SO IF IT WAS SUBJECT TO A, FIRST OF ALL, WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I THINK THAT WE WERE, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, UH, PREVIOUSLY.
NOW, IF IT WAS SUBJECT TO A, IF IT IS SUBJECT TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THAT'S THE PART WE'RE IN.
IF IT'S SUBJECT TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO ADVERTISE WELL IN ADVANCE OF THAT.
UM, IF THAT IS, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE, THAT IS IN CONFLICT WITH WHAT, WHAT OUR ACTUAL PRACTICES PER STATE CODE, AGAIN, PER STATE CODE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO START ADVERTISING THREE FRIDAYS.
JUST BECAUSE THE EASTERN SHORE POST IS THEY ONLY ONCE A WEEK? YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ONLY ONCE A WEEK ON THURSDAY, FRIDAY.
UH, WELL, THEY PUT THE NEWSPAPER OUT ON THURSDAY, BUT ACTUALLY IT'S OUT ON FRIDAY.
UM, STATE CODE REQUIRES US TO, UH, TO ADVERTISE ALMOST 21 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF A, UH, OF A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD GO WITH.
SO I WOULD GET NOTICE FROM A, UM, THE, THE MAIL.
SO, SO WE DO PUT THE PAPER, SO, SO WE DO PUT THE NOTICE AND WE SEND OUT THE NOTICE LETTERS IN THE SAME WEEK.
BUT YOU DO WHAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S IN THE RULES, BUT YOU DON'T WRITE DOWN WHAT YOU DO.
YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR PROCESS WRITTEN DOWN THAT YOU DO IT 21 DAYS.
SO LET'S MAKE THEM, IF IT WAS 10, WE WILL AMEND THAT TO SAY THAT WE WILL FOLLOW STATE CODE, WHICH WE ALREADY DO.
WELL, LET'S, ARE WE CHANGING THAT 21 FOR, FOR WHAT OUR, FOR WHAT OUR NEWSPAPER ALLOWS US TO DO.
SO WE WILL MAKE THAT AMENDMENT TO JUST SAY THAT WE WILL FOLLOW THE STATE CODE.
UH, IS IT JUST THE EASTERN SHORE POST THAT YOU PUT THIS IN? THE REASON I ASK IS OUT LIVE ON CHICKEN TEETH DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE TOURIST SEASON, THOSE PAPERS ARE GONE WHEN THE EASTERN SHORE POST IS GONE.
WITHIN THE FIRST TWO HOURS, WHEN THEY HIT THE STAND, THE TOURISTS ALL COME IN AND GRAB IT.
WE, WE WE'RE REQUIRED TO ADVERTISE IN A NEWSPAPER OF GENERAL CIRCULATION IN OUR LOCALITY, WHICH MEANS THAT EASTERN SHORE POST.
THERE ARE NO OTHER NEWSPAPERS THAT WE CAN, UH, THAT WE CAN LEGALLY ADVERTISE IN.
AND THERE IS NO MOVE AFOOT IN THE STATE TO MAKE IT ONLINE.
OR LIKE WSR OR WHAT'S THAT OTHER WEBSITE THAT YOU GET NEWS FROM? I CAN'T REMEMBER.
SO TO GO BACK TO MY QUESTION, THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S, UH, PROCESS TO SEND OUT NOTICE, LIKE, UH, MAIL OUT, UH, CERTIFIED LETTERS.
IT SAYS FIVE DAYS, I THINK IT SHOULD BE 10.
AND I THINK IN, IN ADDITION TO STATE CODE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT'S THE STATE CODE SET CODE SAY THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO, UM, MAIL OUT, UM,
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CERTIFIED LETTERS TO ADJACENT LANDOWNERS? IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO DO IT, IT JUST SAYS THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE.WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT DO THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING, BUT WE NORMALLY DO THAT OURSELVES.
IT'S JUST NOT, UH, WHAT YOU SAY HERE AND WHAT YOU DO IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO MADAM CHAIR, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT LANGUAGE.
WE WILL, WE WILL MEASURE THAT UP AGAINST THE STATE CODE AND AMEND IT ACCORDINGLY FOR, AND PRESENT IT TO YOU NEXT MONTH.
ANOTHER QUESTION, SO THE STATE CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE TO BE POSTED ONLINE, BUT WOULD THAT BE AN ADDITION? UH, POSTING IT ONLINE COULD BE IN ADDITION TO, UH, THE ADVERTISEMENT.
THE ADVERTISEMENT IN A NEWSPAPER, A GENERAL CIRCULATION IN THIS LOCALITY MM-HMM
THAT MAY HELP TOO, WITH NOTIFICATION.
SO THAT, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING THAT WE DO THOUGH.
UH, WE, WE ALSO, WE ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO SEND OUT NOTICES, UH, TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS MM-HMM
WHICH WE DO BY CERTIFIED MAIL.
AND THAT IS, WELL, AND THAT IS WELL IN ADVANCE OF THE FIVE OR 10 DAYS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW.
SO WHEN DOES THE CLOCK START TO TICK? UH, THE FIVE DAYS START, WE'RE WELL,
BUT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO USE THAT ANALOGY, UH, WE, WE WORK BACK FROM GAME TIME OR FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS TODAY, YES.
THEN IF, IF WE WERE TO FOLLOW, IF INCORRECTLY, WHAT IT SAYS THERE, BACK FIVE TO 10 DAYS, IT, YOU KNOW, WHEREAS STATE CODE SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO NOTIFY THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE PUBLIC THROUGH CERTIFIED MAIL AND NEWSPAPER AD, UH, WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE, UH, MORE THAN TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE.
THEY ACTUALLY AMENDED THE STATE CODE TO GIVE 21 DAYS A LONGER NOTICE PERIOD.
SO IS THAT WHERE YOU GOT THE 21 DAYS? YES, SIR.
THAT'S, THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF NOTICE.
SO THEY CHANGED, I FOUND WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
IT SAYS, NO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SHALL BE CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF ANY SUCH NOTICE.
IT'S THE DATE THAT IT'S STAMPED ON THAT.
UM, SO WITHIN FIVE DAYS MEANS YOU NEED, YEAH, THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR.
THAT NEEDS TO BE, IF, IF, UH, IF WE ARE HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE NOT PROPERLY NOTICED IT, THEN WE ARE IN VIOLATION OF STATE CODE, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO START OVER.
WE'D HAVE TO POSTPONE THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND POSTPONE IT TO THE NEXT MONTH.
WE ARE, WE'RE ALMOST ALWAYS ON TIME WITH OUR NOTICES.
UM, THERE WAS ONE TIME LAST YEAR, OR I SHOULD SAY IN 2023, WHERE WE DID HAVE TO POSTPONE A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE OF IMPROPER NOTICE.
BUT IF THE, IF THE ISSUE IS THIS FIVE DAYS OR 10 DAYS, THAT ISSUE IS A NON-ISSUE BECAUSE WE FOLLOW STATE CODE, WHICH IS IN EXCESS OF THE FIVE TO 10 DAYS.
WE JUST NEED TO REMOVE THAT LANGUAGE IF IT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE AND JUST INDICATE THAT WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW STATE CODE.
SO DOES STATE CODE SAY THAT THE COUNTY SENDS A CERTIFIED LETTER? OR THAT THE OWNER, IT SAYS THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE? IT DOESN'T SAY WHO.
IF YOU MOVE ON, DOES THE NEXT GUY SEND OUT THE NOTICE OR DOES THE WE, WE TYPICALLY DO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO CHARGE FOR IT.
SO WE DO THAT OURSELVES SO THAT WE KNOW THAT IT'S BEING DONE PROPERLY SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THESE PROJECTS AS MUCH AS, AS MUCH ON TIME AS WE CAN.
THAT, THAT IS A LITTLE UNCLEAR TO ME TOO.
IN WHAT MANNER? WELL, IT JUST SAYS NO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SHALL BE CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF ANY SUCH NOSIS.
SO THIS, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS SIX DAYS, THEN WE GET TO CONSIDER IT.
I THINK THAT WHAT, UH, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS KIND OF, UM, PULL BACK A LITTLE BIT AND UNDERSTAND THAT IF THE LANGUAGE IS WRONG, BUT WE'RE STILL FOLLOWING STATE CODE, WHICH IS WELL IN EXCESS OF WHAT IT, OF WHAT IT STATES THERE, THEN WE'RE STILL FINE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA LET US KNOW NEXT MONTH? YES, SIR.
BUT, UH, UM, THAT, THAT LANGUAGE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT EITHER NEEDS TO GO AWAY OR BE ADJUSTED TO, TO REFLECT WHAT STATE CODE SAYS BECAUSE STATE OR WHAT WE DO.
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IS, UH, IS ACTUALLY A LOT STRICTER THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.SO WE ALWAYS TRY TO, WE ALWAYS, UM, IF THERE ARE QUOTE UNQUOTE CONFLICTING PROVISIONS, WE TYPICALLY GO WITH THE STRICTER, IN THIS CASE, STATE CODE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BRING THIS ONE BACK NEXT MONTH, AND THEN WE'LL, YES.
SO, SO, UM, JUST TO, UH, JUST TO RECAP THE ASK HERE.
STAFF IS REQUESTING TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON APRIL 9TH, ONE FOR SUBDIVISIONS, AND THEN ONE FOR VALIDITY.
WELL, ARE YOU BRINGING THE SUBDIVISION PART BACK? YES, BOTH OF THEM.
SO, DO YOU WANT THE CHANGES BEFORE WE DO THE PUBLIC? WE'RE JUST GONNA MAKE THE CHANGES AND SHOW THEM TO YOU.
SO, UM, WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT.
SO, MAY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON SUBDIVISIONS AND DEFINITION OF THE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 1 0 6 ZONING REGARDING PERIODS OF VALIDITY FOR CERTAIN APPROVALS.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, STAFF SO PUBLICIZES AND THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON APRIL 9TH FOR THE TWO PREVIOUSLY AFOREMENTIONED PIECES AND PARTS AND PARCELS, A MOTION AND BY SECOND ILLEGAL DROPPINGS,
CAN WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR FOR TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON APRIL 9TH.
SOMETIMES THEY, IT'S VERY HA HARD WHEN STAFF DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE VERBIAGE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS? OKAY.
SO WE'VE GOT FOUR INITIATING RESOLUTIONS FROM THE, UM, FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON SOME, UH, UH, ON, ON SOME PRETTY INTERESTING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
UM, I WILL BE PRESENTING TWO, I'LL BE PRESENTING THE FIRST TWO, AND THEN COUNTY PLANNER, UM, CICE RIDLEY WILL BE PRESENTING THE OTHER ONES.
SO I'LL BE PRESENTING THE ONES ON, UH, ON REDUCTION OF BULK REGULATIONS AND THE, UM, UH, POTENTIAL ADDITION OF A HOUSING DENSITY OVERLAY.
UH, AND THEN, UH, CICE WILL BE BRIEFING ON THE DEFINITION OF HEIGHT AND THE METHOD OF CALCULATING SIGN AREA IN THE INDUS AND, UH, AMENDING CERTAIN SIGN PROVISIONS IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
I WANT TO, UH, JUST BRIEF YOU ALL VERY QUICKLY ON THIS.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT, UH, FINAL LANGUAGE OR ANYTHING.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY DRAFT LANGUAGE OR ANYTHING FOR YOU.
WE'RE JUST PRESENTING THE ISSUE TO YOU.
SO, UM, THE TWO RESOLUTIONS THAT I AM PRESENTING, OR RATHER THE TWO AMENDMENTS THAT I'M PRESENTING, UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, THE TWO RESOLUTIONS COVERING THREE MAIN ELEMENTS.
NUMBER ONE, REDUCING CERTAIN BULK REGULATIONS, WHICH WOULD RESULT IN SMALLER LOT SIZES IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
UH, WE ARE ALSO EXPLORING ADDING TOWNHOUSES AS AN ALLOWED USE IN THE AG DISTRICT.
THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS, OR THERE ARE SOME PROVISOS TO THAT.
IT'S NOT ANYWHERE IN THE AG DISTRICT, BUT AG DISTRICT THAT WOULD, UH, AG ADDRESS, AG DISTRICT, EXCUSE ME, THAT IS DESIGNATED VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND ALSO HAS ACCESS TO PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER, WHICH AS WE ALL KNOW, IS THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF AREAS IN AKAMAK WITH PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER, OR CENTRALIZED WATER AND SEWER, ADDING AN OVERLAY BASED ON THAT VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA FOR THE PROPERTY ZONED AG.
SO, NUMBERS TWO AND THREE GO HAND IN HAND.
AGAIN, THE NOTE AT THE BOTTOM, UH, UH, ALL OF THAT IS BASED ON THE AVAILABILITY OF CENTRALIZED WATER AND SEWER.
SO REDUCING THE BULK REGULATIONS IN OUR DISTRICT, ADDING TOWNHOUSES IN THE AG DISTRICT, AND ADDING AN OVERLAY BASED ON THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA FOR PROPERTY ZONED A I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF, UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF EXHIBITS TO JUST KIND OF DEMONSTRATE THE AREAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UM, WHAT THIS SLIDE IS, UH, ATTEMPTS TO EXPLAIN IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND A ZONING DISTRICT.
THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT, BUT THEY'RE VERY RELATED TO A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
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COMES RIGHT OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH, AS WE KNOW, IS AN ADVISORY DOCUMENT.UM, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONTAINS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
UM, THE, UH, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
AS I HAD MENTIONED ALREADY, THEY ARE ADVISORY IN NATURE, BUT WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS FAR AS THE ZONING DISTRICT IS CONCERNED, THAT HAS CONSIDERABLY MORE TEETH TO IT.
UM, THE ZONING DISTRICT IS FOUND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TEXT EXPLANATION IS FOUND IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WERE ACCUSTOMED TO HEARING ZONED AGRICULTURE OR ZONED RESIDENTIAL, R ONE, R TWO, UH, BUSINESS INDUSTRIAL ONE, INDUSTRIAL TWO OF THOSE KINDS OF TERMINOLOGIES ARE FOUND IN THE ZONING ZONING DISTRICT.
THEY'RE EXPLAINED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND THEY'RE VISUALLY REPRESENTED IN THE ZONING MAP.
AGAIN, THE ZONING ZONING IS A REGULATION, UNLIKE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS A, UM, WHICH IS MORE OF A STRATEGIC DOCUMENT AND ADVISORY IN NATURE, ZONING IS A REGULATION THAT CARRIES THE FORCE OF LAW.
SO, UH, SO IF IT IS NOT ALLOWED IN ZONING, THEN IT IS NOT ALLOWED, OR WHATEVER IT SAYS IN ZONING IS THE WAY THAT IT HAS TO GO.
UM, THE ZONING AND THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES ARE THE PRIMARY TOOLS FOR IMPLEMENTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ZONING IF WE DON'T WANT.
SO THEREIN, THERE, AGAIN, THERE'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE, AND THE, AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS REQUIRED.
NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHAT WE'RE REALLY AFTER IS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, UH, UH, TRYING TO ENABLE SMALLER LOT SIZES IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, UH, AND ADDING TOWNHOUSES IN AG.
I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT THIS IS NOT ALL OVER THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, BUT ONLY THOSE AREAS THAT ARE SERVED BY CENTRALIZED WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS. AND THEY COULD BE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, AND THEY MUST BE DESIGNATED AS VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
NOW, THIS COMMISSION HAS GOT EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH CASES, UM, THAT ENTAIL THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT TONIGHT.
BUT LAST YEAR WE HAD A MAJOR CASE, MAJOR CASES, UM, UH, WITH THE SAME DEVELOPER IN THE, UM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA BETWEEN ONLY AND ONANCOCK, WHICH THEY DO HAVE CENTRALIZED WATER AND SEWER, AND THEY ARE A DESIGNATED VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
BUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY AFTER IS DENSITY.
SO, UH, SO, UH, DENSITY, WE WILL JUST GO WITH THE SLIDES HERE.
JUSTIFICATIONS FOR REDUCING VARIOUS BULK REGULATIONS, UM, FOR CERTAIN LOTS.
UH, THE, THE REASON WHY PUBLIC, PUBLIC OR CENTRALIZED UTILITIES ARE, ARE NEEDED IS BECAUSE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU ARE PUTTING IN WELLS, WELLS OR SEPTIC TANKS OR DRAIN FIELDS, THERE ARE SETBACKS AND SEPARATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED AS A RESULT.
SO THAT REQUIRES A LARGER LOT.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE EXPLORING IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LOT WIDTH OR THE LOT DEPTH.
IF YOU HAVE A SMALLER LOT, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THAT, THAT THE LOT IS REQUIRED TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, A HUNDRED FEET WIDE AND 150 FEET DEEP.
BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT NARROWER, THEN YOU WON'T NECESSARILY NEED THE SAME DEPTH.
SO THE LOTS ALSO HAVE TO BE, UH, PROPORTIONAL.
SOME JUSTIFICATIONS HERE, UH, LOWER MINIMUMS CAN REDUCE THE LOT SIZES, THEREBY REDUCING LAND COSTS AND INCREASING AFFORDABILITY AND ATTAINABILITY.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE STRUGGLE WITH ON A DAILY BASIS.
FOLKS COME TO US, UM, SAYING, GOSH, I REALLY WISH THAT WE COULD DO THIS CHEAPER HERE IN MACK, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE REDUCED LAND COSTS.
UH, SMALLER LOT SIZES ALLOW FOR SMALLER ENTRY LEVEL UNITS THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR THE WORKFORCE.
NOT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO NOT, NOT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE ON A THREE OR FIVE ACRE LOT.
THE, UH, THE SMALLEST LOT SIZE THAT'S, UH, UH, THAT IS, UH, REQUIRED IN AKAMAK, OR THAT'S ENABLED IN AKAMAK IS A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
SO AN AN ACRE BEING 43,560 SQUARE FEET.
ALSO ENABLE MORE EFFICIENT LAND USE THROUGH INCREASED DENSITY.
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AGAIN, WE WANT THOSE LOCATED NEAR PUBLIC UTILITIES OR CENTRAL UTILITIES.THEY COULD BE PRIVATELY OWNED AND OPERATED.
UH, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR, UM, SHARED UTILITIES.
UH, THIS WOULD ALSO DIRECT, UM, HIGHER DENSITIES AWAY FROM AGRICULTURAL AREAS, WHICH TYPICALLY DO NOT HAVE SHARED UTILITIES PRESENT.
AND THAT'S A KEY FUNCTION, OR THAT'S A KEY ELEMENT OF, UH, OF THIS PROPOSAL.
YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE PUBLIC UTILITIES IN ORDER FOR THE, IN ORDER TO HAVE THE SMALLER LOT SIZES.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SMALLER LOT SIZES WAY OUT IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE SAXES AREA, FOR EXAMPLE, OR, OR WHERE, WHERE CULTIVATED LAND IS.
THERE'S, THERE'S VERY LITTLE OF THAT CLOSER IN.
SO, UM, THIS IS A, UH, THIS IS JUST A, UH, UH, A RECAP OF EVERYTHING THAT WE MENTIONED.
NUMBER FOUR IS SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO, UH, UH, EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO THE TERM MISSING MIDDLE REALLY TALKS ABOUT THE TYPES OF HOUSES BETWEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEXES AND THE MULTIFAMILY.
SO, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MISSING MIDDLE, UH, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, YOU CAN EITHER HAVE, OR YOU CAN EVEN HAVE 4, 5, 6 PLEXES, UH, TOWNHOUSES OR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
OUR ORDINANCE DOES NOT ENABLE THOSE VERY MUCH OR VERY WELL AT ALL.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO GET THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING.
AGAIN, I HAD MENTIONED THE SMALLEST LOT SIZE WITHOUT A DISCRETIONARY ACT, UM, IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET, OR ROUGHLY A QUARTER OF AN ACRE.
UH, IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THE COASTAL SQUARE AND RESIDENCES, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, THERE WAS A DISCRETIONARY ACT.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE STAFF HAD, UH, CONSULTED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF SMALLER LOT SIZES IN THAT VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MR. CARBO.
AND, UH, THAT'S HOW, UM, THAT'S HOW THE, UH, TOWNHOUSES WERE ENABLED, AND THE DUPLEXES WERE ENABLED, UH, WITH THAT DENSITY THAT WAS REQUESTED.
SO, THE MISSING MIDDLE ASPECT IS VERY MUCH PRESENT IN THE, UH, UH, IN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DISCUSSED LAST YEAR.
AND WE'LL BE DISCUSSING TONIGHT, MR. SPARKMAN.
HOW ABOUT HIGH RISES? LEE? UH, THERE IS A, THERE IS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT, DEPENDING ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, IN, IN MOST ZONING DISTRICTS, ESPECIALLY FOR RESIDENTIAL, A MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 35 FEET.
NOW, THAT CAN BE INCREASED UP TO 45 FEET IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL SETBACK TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO COMPENSATE FOR THAT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT.
BUT HIGH RISES ARE NOT ENABLED IN OUR ORDINANCE, AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SEPARATE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
BECAUSE YOU RUN INTO A LOT OF PUBLIC PUSHBACK, YOU START TALKING ABOUT HIGH RISES, RIGHT? AND IT DOESN'T HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH WATER TOO.
PUBLIC WATER CAN ONLY GO SO HIGH.
I THINK ON CHIN TI, THEY HAVE A, A THREE, THREE STORY CAP MM-HMM
BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WATER SYSTEM, THE WATER TOWER CAN'T GET THE WATER UP MM-HMM
AND SO THE RESIDENTS COULD BE REQUIRED TO PAY FOR A NEW WATERING SYSTEM, RIGHT? SO THERE ARE CERTAIN, THERE ARE CERTAIN STRUCTURES THAT CAN EXCEED 35 OR 45 FEET, BUT THEY'RE INDUSTRIAL IN NATURE.
OR THEY MAY BE, UH, THEY MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH A ENERGY PROJECT, WINDMILLS, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, UH, FROM AN AGRICULTURAL STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, SILOS MAY BE IN EXCESS OF 45 FEET.
BUT, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE HIGH RISES, THEY'RE SIMPLY NOT ENABLED IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
QUESTION, WILL THESE REGULATIONS, UM, LESSEN THE QUESTIONS ON THE PART OF THE LAND OWNER OR PROPERTY OWNER AND OR CONTRACTORS? WILL, WILL THAT BE MORE IN LINE WITH, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS TODAY IN TERMS OF CASE SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY THAT'S ADJACENT TO WHERE SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD? UM, THERE, THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME FOLKS WHO ARE, WHO, WHO WOULD OBJECT TO DENSITY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, IT, UH, IT ENCOURAGES DENSITY.
IT ENCOURAGES US TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT WAYS TO, UH, UM, TO, UH, UH, TO GET MORE HOUSING.
UH, AND AS WE, AS WE LOOK AT, UM, AS WE LOOK AT REVISING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF THAT'S A CONCERN, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY THROW THAT IN THE HOPPER AND SEE WHAT COMES OUT.
BUT TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT DENSITY THAT, AND THERE ARE
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PEOPLE WHO, WHO DON'T WANT, WHO ARE OPPOSED TO DENSITY.SO I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, NOT SURE THAT I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.
BUT, UH, UH, THERE, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE QUESTIONS.
I THINK THAT THE, THE WAY THAT I FIRST INTERPRETED YOUR QUESTION WAS IF THERE WAS SOMEONE WHO WANTED TO COME IN AND, UM, AND, UH, AND DEVELOP, BUT WE DON'T ALLOW THE SMALLER LOT SIZES, LIKE THE 7,500 SQUARE FEET, SQUARE FOOT LOTS THAT YOU MIGHT FIND ON CHIN TI OR IN O C**K OR CAPE CHARLES.
UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE, THERE ARE FOLKS WHO DON'T NEED THAT MUCH PROPERTY, BUT THEY WOULD RATHER HAVE A SMALLER LOT.
SO, IS YOUR OFFICE RECEIVING VERY MANY CONCERNS AND OR QUESTIONS RELEVANT? OCCASIONALLY.
NOW, UM, WE, WE, WE TAKE THOSE COMMENTS IN CONJUNCTION WITH A LOT, WITH THE OTHER STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE MM-HMM
FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE RE THE 2022 REGIONAL HOUSING STUDY.
HAS, HAS ENCOURAGED LOCALITIES ON THE EASTERN SHORE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR ORDINANCES, BEST PRACTICES, UM, AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, I HAD MENTIONED THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION AND THE HOUSING ACCELERATOR MANUAL.
IS, IS, IS ENCOURAGING LOCALITIES NATIONWIDE TO LOOK AT THEIR ZONING ORDINANCES AND THEIR PRACTICES TO SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT, UH, ABOUT ENABLING OR ENCOURAGING SMALLER HOUSE, SMALLER HOUSES OR, OR, UH, OR MORE DENSITY.
I, I'M NOT AGAINST REGULATIONS, THOUGH, BY NO MEANS.
I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS TO KIND OF SOLIDIFY THOSE CONCERNS OF PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE REAL CONCERNED IN THE COUNTY.
THERE'S ONE OTHER QUESTION, UH, YOU KNOW, ON, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY, RIGHT? THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER FACTOR TO THAT, AND THAT IS THE UTILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE DENSITY.
WHO'S PAYING FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE? WHO'S PAYING FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, SCHOOLS OR, OR CLASSROOM THING? IS THERE ANYTHING IN THESE CODES THAT REQUIRE, UH, THOSE CONSIDERATIONS? DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, STUDY, SOME STUDIES ARE REQUIRED.
UM, ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDIES, SCHOOL IMPACT STUDIES, UTILITY IMPACT STUDIES, TRANSPORTATION, OR I SHOULD SAY TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
WE DO HAVE PROVISIONS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR DEVELOPMENTS OF A CERTAIN SIZE.
IF SOMEONE COMES IN WITH A 25 LOT SUBDIVISION AND THEY WANNA DO SMALLER LOT SIZES, THOSE KINDS OF STUDIES AREN'T TYPICALLY GOING TO BE REQUIRED.
BUT, UH, BUT FOR THE LARGER ONES, FOR INSTANCE, UM, UH, MR. AL'S PROJECT THAT WE REVIEWED AND, AND, UH, AND LOOKED AT LAST YEAR, ALL OF THAT WAS PROVIDED.
I JUST WAS WONDERING IF IT WAS SOMETHING IN THE THINGS IN THE ORDINANCES THAT REQUIRED OR SET OF THRESHOLDS IN THERE.
SO ARE THESE REGULATION REDUCTIONS MORE? THEY'RE NOT, FOR THE AVERAGE GUY WHO OWNS A RESIDENTIAL LOT OF 10 ACRES, THEY'RE FOR DEVELOPERS WHO WANNA COME IN AND DEVELOP STUFF.
SO WOULD IT, SO COULD I HAVE A HUNDRED ACRES AND PUT 25 LESS THAN 25, UH, LOTS IN WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH THESE REGULATIONS? RELAXED? IT DEPENDS ON THE ZONING DISTRICT.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE, IF IT WAS RESIDENTIAL, IF YOU'RE RESIDENTIAL, THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE YOUR LOT SIZE MINIMUM FOR, UH, IF YOU HAVE, NOW, AGAIN, IT ALL DEPENDS IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE NEITHER PUBLIC WATER OR SEWER, IF YOU HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER, OR YOU HAVE BOTH, THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT YOUR LOT SIZE.
SO IF I HAVE, UH, CENTRALIZED SEWER, I HAVE A HUNDRED ACRES, AND I JUST WANNA PUT 24 SUBDIVISIONS RIGHT NOW, COULD I DO IT WITHOUT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH THE REGULATIONS REDUCED? I BELIEVE SO.
SO YOU COULD DO THAT THREE YEARS LATER? CAN I COME BACK AND DO 24 MORE SUBDIVISION LOTS WITHOUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? I'D HAVE TO KNOW MORE.
I CAN'T, I, I CAN'T ANSWER, ANSWER HYPOTHETICAL RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, I FILLED THAT ONE OUT.
CAN I COME BACK AND DO, UM, ANOTHER 10 ACRES WITH 24 MORE LOTS WITHOUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? LIKE I SAID, I, I'D HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO KNOW MORE WITH, YOU KNOW, TRY TRYING TO GET INTO A HYPOTHETICAL, YOU KNOW, QUESTION AND ANSWER IS A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THE SCOPE OF, OF, OF MY, UH, BRIEFING TONIGHT.
YOU KNOW, UH, IF, IF I HAD A, IF I HAD A, UM, A, UH, UH, A LAYOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN I WOULD BE ABLE TO COMMENT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT, UH, BUT THESE HYPOTHETICALS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO TRY TO RESPOND TO, YOU KNOW, OFF THE CUFF WITHOUT KNOWING, WITHOUT KNOWING MORE.
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OKAY.SO THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO A DECISION LIKE THAT.
TO DO 24 LOTS AND THEN 24 MORE ON THE SAME, AND THE RESIDENT, AND AGAIN, HUNDRED ACRES.
I MEAN, IT'D BE HARD TO GET A HUNDRED ACRES IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AROUND HERE.
I KNOW SOME, WELL, I THINK THE OTHER THING WITH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT ON THE BAY SIDE, PRETTY MUCH FROM FAIRGROUNDS ROAD NORTH TO THE MARYLAND LINE.
AND ON THE SEASIDE FROM ONLY TO CAPTAIN'S COVE, YOU CAN'T DO ONE.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
SO WITHOUT, SO THIS, THIS MISSING MIDDLE THAT HE'S TRYING TO FILL IS NOT GOING TO EXIST UNTIL WE HAVE SEWER AND WATER.
LIKE, YOU COULD MAYBE DO IT AROUND PARKLEY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE SEWER.
THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY HAVE NEITHER PUBLIC WATER OR SEWER.
NEITHER THEY APPROVED SEWER IN WATVILLE.
THEY DO NOT HAVE SEWER OR WATER.
SO THEY COULD ACTUALLY DO IT UNTIL THE SEWER WAS THERE.
DID THEY HAVE SEWER IN VILLE? THEY APPROVED THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
WELL, WELL, HAMPTON ROSE IS COMING UP NOW.
RIGHT? THE WAY THIS IS MANCO DOESN'T HAVE IT.
AND WE JUST PROVED IT WITH NO SEWER AND WATER, BECAUSE THEY GOTTA, A, THEY HAVE TO RUN WATER AND SEWER TO THAT DEVELOPMENT, OR THAT DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T FLY.
SO YES, IT IS, IT IS ACCESSIBLE TO THERE.
AND THE, THE DEVELOPER, WHOEVER'S GONNA DO IT, HAS TO PUT IT IN.
SO IF YOU'RE IN WATVILLE AND YOU WANNA BUILD 15 TOWNHOUSES OF, INSTEAD OF THE DREAM ROLLER RINK, RIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE SEWER AND WATER COME TO YOUR LOCATION AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I MEAN, YOU COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT THOSE THINGS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M READING HERE ON THIS.
IT'S A LOT ALREADY HAD IT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE SEWER IN, THEY DON'T HAVE PUBLIC WATER.
BUT SO WITHOUT THESE REGULATIONS REDUCTIONS, HOW MUCH LONGER IN THE PROCESS WOULD SOMEBODY A DEVELOPER HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO, UM, FOUR MONTHS? IS THAT RIGHT? JUST FOUR.
IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS STUFF, LET'S SAY RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS, IF, IF I HAD TO SAY, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE REALLY LOOKING FOR WITH THESE REGULATIONS? WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WANT TO ENABLE THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
WE ARE NOT PROPOSING THAT IT BE ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
WE'RE PROPOSING THAT TO BE IN SPECIFIC PLACES IN THE COUNTY, DESIGNATED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA IS ONE CRITERIA.
THE OTHER CRITERIA IS THAT THEY HAVE BOTH CENTRALIZED WATER AND SEWER.
NOW, THAT IS, SO YOU CAN'T DO THIS IN PAINTER.
WE'VE GOT HRSD COMING DOWN THE HIGHWAY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE PUBLIC WATER IN PAINTER.
NOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD A WATER PLANT OR SOME SORT OF, OR, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, A SMALL SCALE TREATMENT FACILITY.
IF THE DEVELOPER WANTED TO BUILD A WATER TOWER MM-HMM
WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT YOUR 35 FOOT HEIGHT FOR THAT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IN WATVILLE THERE, THERE IS NO, SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO PUT IN THE WATER AND THE SEWER IN WATVILLE, THEY DON'T HAVE PUBLIC WATER IN WATVILLE.
THEY JUST DON'T HAVE PUBLIC WATER IN WATVILLE.
THERE IS NO PUBLIC WATER IN WATVILLE.
BUT I HAVE ALL THREE OF THOSE DUPLEX, TROPIC, AND SIX FAMILIES ALREADY.
AND, AND THAT, THAT, THAT MAY BE A RESULT OF SOMEONE HAVING DONE THAT IN THE, IN THE PAST WITHOUT THAT.
BUT, UM, BUT, UH, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THAT IN THE ORDINANCE TO WHERE IT COULD BE ALLOWED IN, IN, IN CERTAIN AREAS.
I DON'T KNOW THE, THE SPECIFICS OF, OF YOUR PARTICULAR PROPERTIES, BUT IF THAT WAS, IF THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST SOMEHOW, UH, IN THE, IN THE DISTANT PAST, THEN, UH, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.
UM, THIS CHART HERE IS, UH, IS IS AN ATTEMPT TO SHOW SOME OF THE, UH, THINGS THAT, UH, UH, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, DIMENSIONS AND THE PROVISIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT.
THAT WAS ALSO IN YOUR, UH, IN YOUR, UM, UH, YOUR PACKET.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ALSO WANTED TO GO OVER IS, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A TOWNHOUSE? UM, UH, AND IT'S RIGHT HERE, A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING THAT IS CONNECTED TO A SIMILAR HOUSE BY A COMMON SIDEWALL, HAVING INDIVIDUAL OWNERSHIP OF A UNIT AND PROPERTY, HAVING A FEAST, HAVING A FEE SIMPLE TITLE, WHICH MEANS EACH ONE OF THESE UNITS IS ON A SEPARATE LOT.
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UH, THEY DO HAVE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT LOOK LIKE THIS, BUT THEY, THEY MIGHT NOT BE ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS, BUT A TOWNHOUSE HAS GOTTA BE ON ITS OWN LOT.SO THERE'S PROBABLY, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT LINE HERE, HERE, HERE, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND THERE'S YOUR FOUR ACRE OR LESS, RIGHT? WELL, THESE, THESE ARE, UM, UM, PROBABLY LESS THAN THAT.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP THESE LOTS ARE, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, TOWN TOWNHOUSE LOTS, TYPICALLY THE I'D, I'D BE SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD A TOWNHOUSE LOT THAT WAS 5,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S PROBABLY A REALLY BIG TOWNHOUSE LOT.
UM, THE JUSTIFICATIONS FOR TOWNHOUSES IN THE AG DISTRICT, AGAIN, CONTROLLING FACTORS WOULD BE, UM, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA AND CENTRALIZED UTILITIES.
THEY COULD BE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, BOTH WATER AND SEWER.
UM, THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA, YOU KNOW, THAT CONSIDERATION IS ALREADY BEEN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S ALREADY, UH, IF IT'S ALREADY VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA, THEN WE'VE ALREADY CONSIDERED THAT AREA FOR HIGHER DENSITY.
UM, ALLOWING THIS WOULD INCREASE THE SPEED TO MARKET, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR DEVELOPERS AND FOR BUILDERS, UM, NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL, BUT COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AS WELL.
THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED THEIR APPROVAL YESTERDAY.
SO WE ARE EXPLORING WAYS, AGAIN, NONE OF THIS IS SET IN STONE.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST FLOATING THIS IDEA, AND WE'RE GONNA PRESENT YOU WITH MORE LATER ON, UH, NEXT MONTH.
AND, AND, AND IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN SUING MONTHS, UH, WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD BE, IF, IF IT'S GOING TO BE DONE BY RIGHT, OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THROUGH THE BZA OR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THAT COULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED.
BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS, UM, INCREASED SPEED TO MARKET.
AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THAT MISSING MIDDLE, WE DON'T NEED TO RECAP THAT AT A LOT OF THIS, UM, IS JUST LAYERING ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
THE PURPOSE OF THAT OVERLAY IS TO ENABLE REDUCED BULK REGULATIONS PROPOSED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
UH, THE OVERLAY WOULD BE STRICTLY BASED ON WHAT IS DESIGNATED VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA IN THE, UM, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AGAIN, ENSURING HIGHER DENSITIES LIMITED TO AREAS SLATED FOR THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO AVAILABILITY OF WATER AND SEWER, UM, UH, OR THE, OR THE, UM, FUTURE AVAILABILITY OF WATER AND SEWER.
AND AGAIN, CONTINUING TO STEER DEVELOPMENT AWAY FROM AREAS DESIGNATED FOR AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION AS, WHICH AS WE ALL KNOW, IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE OMA COUNTY ECONOMY.
WE DO NOT WANT TO, UH, WE DO NOT WANT TO JEOPARDIZE THAT OVERALL JUSTIFICATIONS.
UM, RURAL AREAS HAVE BECOME DESIRABLE SINCE COVID, AND WE SHOULD CONSIDER ADJUSTING OUR, OUR, UH, REGULATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
HOUSING COSTS ARE CONTINUALLY INCREASING FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
SUPPLY CHAIN CAN'T FIND SOMEBODY TO, TO BUILD THEIR HOUSE MATERIALS.
UH, LAND, LAND COSTS, ALL OF THOSE ARE INCREASING.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO ASSIST? WE HAVE FULL CONTROL.
WE HAVE ALMOST FULL CONTROL OVER THE, UH, LOCAL REGULATIONS.
SO, UH, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER IS THE, IS THE, UH, UH, BUILDING CODE.
BUT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT OUR ZONING AND SUBDIVISION CODES.
UM, HOUSING IS DEFINITELY A RECRUITMENT CHALLENGE FOR EMPLOYERS, NOT JUST THE, NOT JUST LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
UH, I HAVE MY OWN STORY OF HAVING DIFFICULTY FINDING HOUSING.
I ACTUALLY LIVED IN AN AIRBNB FOR THREE WEEKS BEFORE I WAS ABLE TO FIND SOMETHING.
AND EVEN THEN I KIND OF BACKED INTO THAT.
THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN THAT SAME SITUATION WHO WANT TO COME TO HENRI HENRICO,
BUT, UH, BUT, UH, HOUSING IS, IS DEFINITELY A CHALLENGE.
SO OUR MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH TO THIS, UM, UH, WE DO HAVE IN OUR BUDGET ATTAINABLE HOUSING SITE ACQUISITION FUNDING AND GRANTS.
THE, UH, THE AFOREMENTIONED EASTERN SHORE HOUSING STUDY THAT WAS DONE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN THEIR, UM, IN THEIR MOST RECENT STRATEGIC PRIORITIES INDICATE, UM, UH, A DESIRE FOR WASTEWATER IN NORTHERN MACK.
UH, THEY HAVE SAID WE NEED TO REVIEW OUR LAND USE ORDINANCES.
SO, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS HANDED, UH, HAS HANDED THOSE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, TO THE
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TWO DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS.AND, UH, AND, UH, OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY STRATEGIC PRIORITY, BUT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES IS WE HAVE TO SOLVE THE HOUSING PROBLEM.
OR AT LEAST TRY TO ADDRESS IT SOMEHOW.
SO, UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY PORTION OF THE BRIEFING.
IT TOOK A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN I, UH, THAN I HAD ANTICIPATED, BUT I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THIS.
DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A MAP OF THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT YOU MENTIONED? DO YOU HAVE THAT HANDY? I THOUGHT THAT I HAD THAT IN HERE.
IT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PANEL ALONG.
SO, SO, SO WHAT I'LL DO IS, UM, AND, AND I HAD THOSE PREPARED, I THINK THEY'RE IN MY PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I JUST DIDN'T BRING THEM OVER.
SO WHAT, WHAT I'LL DO IS, UM, WHAT I'LL DO IS, UH, SEND YOU ALL AN ADDENDUM SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT, AND I'LL, AND WE'LL SEND THAT ELECTRONICALLY.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON HOW, WHEN WE DID A, UH, COMP PLAN UPGRADE, AND WE VISITED THE VEL VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY, IT WAS FOR THE IDEA OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WAS THAT WHERE, WHERE WOULD WE LIKE GROWTH TO BE, TO COME TO, AND WE PICKED AREAS, AND IT WAS AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THE THOUGHT OF OUR MIND WAS THE DEVELOPER WOULD, HAD, THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO GET A REZONING AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IT WOULD, IT'S NOT BUY, RIGHT? SO IF THIS PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO USE THAT AS A BUY RIGHT MAP OR TOOL, WE MAY NEED TO REVISIT THAT MAP FIRST AND, AND SCRUTINIZE THAT FIRST ALSO.
SO, AND I GUESS I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT AREAS THAT ARE NOT, WELL, MAYBE IN THE VILLAGE AREA, HOWEVER, THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER.
THEY WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT.
THEY WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE, BUT THEY COULD DO A PRIVATE WATER AND SEWER, UM, AND BE FOR THAT.
SO IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT, IF IT'S THAT, THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER HYPOTHETICAL THAT I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT AT THE, AT A VERY BASIC LEVEL, IF WE'RE, IF WE WANTED TO STICK WITH THE TWO OVERARCHING CRITERIA OF BEING SLATED FOR HIGHER DENSITY IN THE FUTURE, IN THE, UH, FUTURE, UH, LAND USE MAP, AND HAVING CENTRALIZED WATER AND SEWER, WHETHER THAT'S PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT ELIMINATES A LOT OF AREAS.
IT ELIMINATES A LOT OF AREAS FROM, UH, FROM CONSIDERATION MM-HMM
UNDER THIS, UH, POTENTIAL, I WON'T EVEN SAY PROPOSED AT THIS POINT, BUT WE'LL JUST SAY POTENTIAL.
BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE, WE HAVEN'T EVEN DRAFTED ANY LANGUAGE ON THIS YET.
HAVE YOU GIVEN THE NEW MEMBERS A COPY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE? THE, THE, THE NEW MEMBERS HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THE LINK ONLINE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IF, IF, AND IF THE NEW MEMBERS WANT A, UH, A HARD COPY, WE CAN, WE CAN RUN YOU OFF A COPY.
PROBABLY HAVE TO BE DONE OVERNIGHT, BUT, UH, YES, SIR.
RECOGNIZING THAT LIGHT LOT SIZE IS ONE CONSIDERATION.
BUT I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT KIND OF MAKES A BUILDING DIFFICULT IS THE PROPERTIES OR SOIL CONDITIONS THAT, UH, ONLY GIVE YOU AN OPTION FOR ALTERNATIVE SYSTEMS, WHICH KIND OF MAKES A 35,000, 30, $35,000 SEWER TREATMENT, UH, YOUR ONLY OPTION.
SO ALL THOSE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE, UH, SUBSTANDARD SOIL, REALLY THOSE PROPERTIES ARE KIND OF NEGATIVE, UH, IMPACT ON THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSES.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT WOULD ADDRESS IS HAVING THESE PROPERTIES SERVED BY A SEWER SYSTEM SO THAT WE DON'T GET INTO, UH, THESE 35, BECAUSE A WELL CAN GO ANYWAY.
SO HAVING HAVE, UH, IF, I DON'T KNOW HOW SERIOUS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ARE, BUT YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED IN THE PAST CENTRAL SEW ON THE EASTERN SHORE.
I MEAN, BAYSIDE LAND IS ALMOST UNUSABLE, RIGHT? FOR THE MOST PART, WITHOUT THESE, UH, RIDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE SYSTEMS, SO TO ADDRESS MAKING MORE PROPERTY AVAILABLE, THEN THEY HAVE TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT TREATING SEWAGE.
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RIGHT.AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT IT, BUT REALLY GET SERIOUS AND, AND, AND 'CAUSE REALLY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE, UH, SEWER SYSTEM THAT WE GOT NOW THAT'S ONLY DESIGNATED TO SERVE THOSE, UH, DESIGNATED VERY, UH, A VERY SMALL AREA OF THE COUNTY, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY AN C**K.
I'D SAY NORMAL KNOW ONLY IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'VE GOT MUCH, UH, ALONG THE LINES OF SEWER NOW TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST HOW, JUST HOW SERIOUS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND, UH, AND, UH, AND THE TWO DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS FOR SURE.
UM, UH, WE HAVE JUST POSTED AN RFP FOR A NORTHERN CROMACK SEWER STUDY IN THE CURRENT BUDGET.
THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HAS INCREASED FROM LAST YEAR, LAST YEAR'S AMOUNT FOR SEED FUNDING FOR A, A, A SEWER SOLUTION IN NORTHERN MACK FROM 2.5 MILLION TO $6.2 MILLION.
SO THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY FOR SEED FUNDING FOR, YOU KNOW, TO NOT JUST STUDY THAT, BUT TO MAYBE EVEN USE THAT AS, AS LEVERAGE FOR ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, STATE OR FEDERAL FUNDING.
$6.2 MILLION IS NOT GOING TO BUILD A SEWER, IS NOT GONNA BUILD A PLAN, BUT IT'S A PRETTY GOOD HEADSTART.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S STILL BEING CONSIDERED THE BUDGET.
YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT, UH, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE THAT PUBLIC HEARING LATER ON THIS MONTH ON THAT BUDGET.
BUT, UH, THAT IS A CONSIDERATION, UH, INCREASING THAT SEED FUNDING IN THE CAPITAL IN THE CIP, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FROM 2.5 MILLION TO 6.2 IN, UH, IN, UH, UH, IN, UH, IN, IN MY OPINION, IS QUITE A STATEMENT.
IF I WANTED TO REBUILD A C**K GROUND UP BRAND NEW, WHAT THEY HAVE NOW EXACTLY AS THEY HAVE IT NOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHT ON HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST? 'CAUSE 6.2 MILLION DOESN'T EVEN SOUND LIKE IT TOUCHES THE, I'M NOT A, I'M NOT A CIVIL ENGINEER WHO DOES THAT KIND OF, UH, UM, ESTIMATING, BUT 6.2 MILLION ISN'T GOING TO, UH, IT DEPENDS ON IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE SEWER TREATMENT OR IF YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE COLLECTION AND TRANSMISSION OF THE EFFLUENT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AN, UH, AN C**K HAD ISSUES WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WATERLINE BREAKS OVER THE, OVER THE, OVER THE COLD WEATHER.
UM, UH, IF THAT IS ANY INDICATION OF THE, OF THE, UH, OF THE CONDITION OF THE COLLECTION AND TRANSMISSION SYSTEM, I DON'T KNOW THE AGE OF THAT.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO, IF YOU WERE TO, UH, IF YOU WERE TO DO EVERYTHING FROM THE GROUND UP, WELL, LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST LIMIT THAT TO THE, TO THE SEWER TREATMENT.
6.2 MILLION ISN'T GONNA COVER IT.
DO YOU REMEMBER OUR DISCUSSION LAST YEAR WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE HAMPTON ROADS SEWER DISTRICT COMING UP UNDER THE OLD RAIL LINE? RIGHT.
AND IT SPURRED OFF INTO ONLY, AND, UH, I THINK IT WAS GOING TO GO OVER TO CHICK TEAK IN ATLANTIC.
AND, UH, YOU SAID THAT WAS A H****R.
THE H****R WAS A SEWER TREATMENT PLANT.
THEY RUN THE LINE, BUT THESE COMMUNITIES ARE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY FOR A SUMER TREATMENT PLAN, WHICH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, I, YOU KNOW, THAT I'VE GOT THE SAME CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IN PARKLEY, ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT THAT YOU COULD PUT MAYBE 10 OR 15 TOWNHOUSES ON.
THAT YOU CAN'T, WITH THIS ORDINANCE, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN ONE OF THOSE $50,000 MINE SYSTEMS IN BETWEEN ASSOCIATED FARMS AND THE OTHER APARTMENT BUILDING THAT OAK.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO PUT 15 OR 20 TOWNHOUSES RIGHT THERE WITH THIS ORDINANCE, YOU COULDN'T DO IT.
NOW THAT, THAT WOULD ALSO BE ANOTHER QUESTION ORDINANCE, BECAUSE IT DON'T, OR SEWER ORDINANCE.
THIS ORDINANCE WOULD NOT APPLY WITHIN THE TOWN LIMIT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE IT'S RIGHT OUTSIDE THE TOWN.
SO, UM, THE STAFF WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOME MORE SPECIFICS NEXT MONTH.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, TURN THIS OVER TO COUNTY PLANNER SHATI RIDLEY FOR HER PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION.
UH, SHATI RIDLEY COUNTY PLANNER ONE.
SO THIS EVENING I HAVE TWO BRIEFINGS ON TWO PROPOSED ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
UH, BOTH OF THESE ARE COMING FROM CHAPTER 1 0 6 TITLED ZONING.
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FIRST IS TO CLARIFY THE DEFINITION OF BUILDING HEIGHT OF, AND ALSO TO CLARIFY, UH, THE WAY, UM, WE MEASURE HEIGHT.CURRENTLY WE HAVE A STARTING POINT, BUT THERE'S NO GUIDANCE ON, UM, THE MEASURE TWO.
THE SECOND ONE TONIGHT IS TO ADD A DEFINITION AND METHOD OF CALCULATING SIGN AREA IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
UM, THERE ARE ALSO A COUPLE OF OTHER, UH, PROVISIONS THAT NEED AMENDING AS WELL.
UM, AND FOR THIS CURRENTLY, UH, WHAT'S ALLOWABLE FOR SIGNAGE DOES NOT CORRELATE WITH THE LARGER, UH, SIZES OF THE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS.
SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH BUILDING HEIGHT OF, SO THIS, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RESOLUTION WAS HANDED DOWN AT THEIR JANUARY 15TH MEETING.
UM, WITH THIS A, WITH THIS AMENDMENT, UM, IT WILL PROVIDE SOME CONSISTENCY WITH THE REGULATION.
UM, CURRENTLY THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION, NOT JUST WITH STAFF, BUT WITH APPLICANTS.
AND, UM, WE WANNA, WE WANNA FIX THAT.
SO THE CURRENT DEFINITION, UM, DOES AGAIN, SHOW WHERE TO START, AND THAT'S THE AVERAGE GRADE ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
BUT AS STATED BEFORE, THE ISSUE IS WHERE TO MEASURE TO, CURRENTLY WHAT STAFF IS DOING IS MEASURING FROM GRADE UP TO THE HIGHEST POINT ON THE ROOFTOP.
UM, THIS UNCERTAINTY HAS LED TO INCONSISTENT REVIEWS, UH, PERMITS THAT ARE BEING DENIED FOR SMALL AMOUNTS AND AN UNNECESSARY AMOUNT OF VARIANCE APPLICATIONS, UH, DUE TO HEIGHT.
SO AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH TO THIS, WHICH IS BEING USED BY OTHER LOCALITIES IS TO USE, UH, THE MIDPOINT.
MIDPOINT IS LOCATED BETWEEN THE EVE AND THE RIDGE.
UH, THIS NEXT BULLET POINT IS JUST SOME PROPOSED LANGUAGE, UH, THAT THE STAFF FEELS WILL PROVIDE GREATER FLEXIBILITY, AND THAT WOULD BE TO THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE ROOF, IF, IF IT IS A FLAT ROOF TO THE DECK LINE OF A MASTERED ROOF, OR THE MEAN LEVEL BETWEEN THE EAVES AND RIDGE OF A GABLE HIP CONE, GABRA, OR SHED ROOF.
SO THIS TABLE HERE, UM, IS JUST LISTING SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE WANT TO AMEND RELATED TO HEIGHT, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
AND I DO WANNA MAKE ONE CORRECTION THAT SHOULD SAY SECTION 1 0 6 84 4 AND NOT 48.
SO CURRENTLY, UH, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS 12 FEET, OR ONE STORY, UH, THAT LEAVES SOME GRAY AREA, UM, WHERE WE'RE NOT, THERE'S NO SURE WAY TO KNOW, UM, WHAT THE ACTUAL MAXIMUM HEIGHT SHOULD BE OR IS.
SO STAFF IS PROPOSING TO SPECIFY A FIXED MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
ALSO, UM, IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, SECTION 1 0 6, 1 33 A, THE CURRENT MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF A STRUCTURE IS 35 FEET.
UH, WHILE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DOES HAVE THE POWER TO, UM, APPROVE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, UH, STAFF IS PROPOSING AN ESTABLISHED BY RIGHT, UM, HEIGHT.
THIS IMAGE HERE, UM, GIVE ME ONE SECOND.
I WROTE DOWN THE BOOK IT CAME FROM AND I MEANT TO GRAB IT BEFORE I GOT UP HERE.
SO, UH, THIS ILLUSTRATION COMES FROM A BOOK CALLED THE LATEST ILLUSTRATED BOOK OF DEVELOPMENT DEFINITIONS, UM, THE NEW EXPANDED EDITION.
AND THERE ARE MANY LOCALITIES THAT USE MULTIPLE VERSIONS OF THIS, UM, FIGURE HERE, BUT IT IS SHOWING DIFFERENT TYPES OF ROOFING TYPES AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE MEASURED.
'CAUSE AGAIN, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT GUIDANCE IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.
OKAY, SO MOVING ON TO DEFINITION AND METHOD OF CALCULATING SIGN AREA.
AND THIS IS IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
UM, AS WITH THE FIRST ONE, THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RESOLUTION WAS HANDED DOWN AT THEIR JANUARY 15TH MEETING.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW IN ANY DISTRICT, NOT JUST THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, UM, THE MAX IS FOUR SIGNS, NOT GOING OVER 160 SQUARE FEET.
UM, IT'S NOT, IT DOES NOT CORRELATE WITH THE LARGER INDUSTRIALIZED BUILDINGS OR FOR LOTS THAT, UM, HAVE
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MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ON THEM.SO, STAFF, UM, HAS AGREED THAT SOME ADJUSTMENTS NEED TO BE MADE, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD BE BASED ON BUILDING SIZE, LOT SIZE, AND THE NUMBER OF STRUCTURES ON THE SITE.
AND WE RECOMMEND ADOPTING A STANDARD, A STANDARDIZED APPROACH TO CALCULATING THE SIGN AREA.
SO THIS CHART HERE, UM, IS WHAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH SO FAR.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST PROPOSALS.
THESE ARE NOT SET IN STONE, UM, OPEN FOR, UM, FEEDBACK AND, UH, SUGGESTIONS.
SO WHAT, UM, WE'VE COME UP WITH AS OF NOW, IS THAT SIGN AREAS SHOULD BE DETERMINED, UM, BY 10% OF THE WALL ELEVATION.
UM, THIS WILL NOT INCLUDE VOIDED AREAS SUCH AS WINDOWS, DOORS, AND BAYS THAT WOULD BE SUBTRACTED.
UM, AND TO ONLY USE AND TO USE SOME BASIC GEOMETRIC SHAPES, AND I'LL GET INTO THOSE SHAPES IN JUST A SECOND.
AND, UM, A MAXIMUM OF FOUR SIGNS PER BUILDING INSTEAD OF FOUR SIGNS FOR THE ENTIRE LOT.
SO IF THERE IS A LOT THAT HAS MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ON IT, IF YOU SAY ONLY FOUR SIGNS, THEN THERE MAY BE A BUILDING THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE.
SO WHEN WE SAY, UM, FOUR BASIC GEOMETRIC SHAPES, THAT INCLUDES RECTANGLE, SQUARES, TRIANGLES, CIRCLES, AND WITH THE BASIC FORMULAS, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO USE A SHAPE, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRIANGLES.
IF IT DOESN'T FIT THE A EQUALS ONE, HALF TIMES BASE TIME IS HEIGHT, THEN THEY CANNOT USE THAT TRIANGLE.
UM, THERE WILL BE NO, UH, NO SPECIAL ATTENTION FOR, UM, IRREGULAR, IRREGULAR SHAPED, UM, SHAPES EITHER.
SO BASIC SHAPES, RECTANGLE, SQUARE, TRIANGLE, CIRCLE, BASIC FORMULAS.
IF IT DOESN'T FIT, IT MEANS YOU CANNOT USE IT.
I, UM, SO THESE FIGURES HERE, UM, THESE IMAGES, THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE HERE IS HOW IT'S BEING CALCULATED NOW, WHICH WOULD JUST BE A RECTANGLE OR WHATEVER SHAPE YOU NEED.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE SOME VOIDED SPACES.
WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO HAVE A SHAPE THAT TIGHTLY FITS, AND TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR, THIS IS BOTH COMBINED.
WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AND WHAT'S BEING DONE CURRENTLY IN THE YELLOW SHADED AREAS IS THAT VOIDED SPACE.
SO, NO, SO, UM, THE BUSINESS OWNER ISN'T BEING PENALIZED FOR SPACE THAT THEY'RE NOT USING.
SOME OTHER ZONING ORDINANCE CONSIDERATIONS.
SO IF YOU WERE TO CLICK THIS LINK OR, UH, GO TO THE COUNTY ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW TO SECTION 1 0 6 DASH 1 35, IT IS GOING TO DIRECT YOU SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO CURRENTLY IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE UNDER, UM, THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, THERE ARE NO, UM, THERE'S NO DIRECT GUIDANCE THAT IS JUST FOCUSED ON IN SIGNS IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
AND WE ALSO WANNA CHANGE THAT.
UM, SIGN AREA AS OF RIGHT NOW IS JUST LENGTH TIMES WIDTH.
SO WE ARE INTRODUCING SOME OTHER FORMULAS AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THIS METHOD, THE METHOD THAT WE DO COME UP WITH ONLY INCLUDES THE FUNCTIONAL PORTION OF THE SIGN, WHICH MEANS NOT INCLUDING THE VOIDED SPACES OR, UM, ADDING IN WINDOWS, DOORS, BAYS BECAUSE IT'S VOIDED SPACE.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SIGNS THAT ARE ON THE BUILDING, NOT PRE-STANDING SIGNS.
JUST RIGHT NOW, JUST THE SIGNS ON THE BUILDING.
SO HOW WOULD YOU CALCULATE ROCKET LAB'S HEIGHT OF WALL WHEN IT'S CURD, THEY'RE HUT.
SO, SO
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QUA HOOK, YEAH.WOULD IT BE TO THE TIP TOP? YOU TAKE 10%.
I KNOW THIS ISN'T THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, BUT JUST AS AN EXAMPLE WITH HOW THESE ARE, UM, THE START AND THE ENDS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, HERE, IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST NEVER KNEW SOMETHING WOULD BE SO TYPICAL JUST TO DETERMINE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
AND I MEAN, THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE NOW, 160 SQUARE FEET, AND THAT'S FOR FOUR SIGNS.
FOUR SIGNS HAVE TO FIT IN THAT 160 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A LITTLE ROOM FOR A LITTLE CREATIVITY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
OKAY, WE CAN MOVE ON TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PLAT 0 0 0 6 9 8 2024, PROVIDED RECOMMENDATION TO SUBDIVISION AGENT REGARDING PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR COASTAL SQUARE AND RES RESIDENCE.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, LEE PAM, A DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
THIS IS THE COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES.
PRELIMINARY PLAT RECOMMENDATION CASE NUMBER PLAT TRIPLE 0 6 9 8 20 24.
AGAIN, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAN RECOMMENDATION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO THE SUBDIVISION AGENT.
UM, I, AS THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, AM CURRENTLY THE DESIGNATED ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE DESIGNATED SUBDIVISION AGENT.
SO IF YOU SEE THOSE TERMS, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND SUBDIVISION AGENT, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ME.
CAN CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN? SO, SO, UM, IN IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, THERE HAS TO BE AN AGENT OR AN ADMINISTRATOR RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE ORDINANCES, RIGHT? I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR BOTH CURRENTLY.
SO AS THE SUBDIVISION AGENT, I ADMINISTER THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, AND AS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, I ADMINISTER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THOSE DESIGNATIONS ARE HANDED DOWN BY THE, UM, BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO I HAD TO BE DESIGNATED BY THE BOARD TO, UH, TO HOLD THOSE ROLES.
UH, UH, HERE'S SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE BECAUSE WE HAD AN EXTENSIVE DELIBERATIONS LAST YEAR IN 2024 FOR THE REZONING AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE APPLICANT IS STILL MR. CARBAUGH AND HE REPRESENTS THE ATLANTIC GROUP AND ASSOCIATES.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, ARE HIS LLC COASTAL SQUARE END RESIDENCE AND THE, AND THE, UH, LOCATION.
UM, GENERALLY THE ENTIRE SITE, THE ENTIRE 100 ACRES, UH, ARE, ARE COMPRISED OF A PART OF TAX PARCEL 85 DASH A DASH 51, AND THE ENTIRETY OF 93 DASH A DASH 87, 89 AND 90.
THIS IS IN, UM, UH, CHAIRMAN JACKIE PHILLIPS, DISTRICT ELECTION DISTRICT, AND MR. GALE IS THE COMMISSIONER FOR THAT ELECTION DISTRICT.
THE ACREAGE, THE OVERALL ACREAGE OF THE ENTIRE, UH, SUBDIVISION, OR I SHOULD SAY THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT IS 100, IS STILL 100.39 ACRES.
UM, A, UH, UH, A PORTION OF THAT WAS REZONED.
SO THERE WAS A, UH, THERE WAS, UH, THERE JUST UNDER FIVE ACRES THAT WAS EXCLUDED FROM THE, UH, FROM THE REZONING TO VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THE ZONING IS MIXED, SO THE, A PORTION OF IT IS AG AND A PORTION OF IT IS GENERAL BUSINESS.
THE FUTURE OF LAND USE RECOMMENDATION IS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
THE PROPOSED DENSITY HAS CHANGED.
UM, IT HAS ACTUALLY REDUCED FROM, UH, 4.85 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE TO 4.83 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
AND THAT WAS A RESULT OF, UM, OF THEM, UH, ESSENTIALLY LOSING A LOT.
UH, SO INSTEAD OF THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED 465 UNITS, THEY ARE NOW PROPOSING 464.
THERE IS NO, UH, CURRENT USE, UH,
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OF THE PROPERTY, SO IT IS VACANT.ADJACENT USES INCLUDE THE SHOPPING CENTER, SELF STORAGE FACILITY.
A NEC IS THE ELECTRIC UTILITY, SEVERAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UH, UH, DWELLINGS, UH, CHILD DAYCARE CENTER, AGRICULTURE, AUTO REPAIR, AND PERSONAL SERVICES.
NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, UM, STAGE IS THE NEXT STEP IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THEIR FIRST STEP, AGAIN, WAS TO GET THEIR LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS, MEANING THEY HAD TO REZONE FROM AG AND GENERAL BUSINESS TO VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, AND THEY HAD TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE, UM, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
THOSE TWO CASES ENTAILED CONDITIONS AND CONDITIONS, WAIVERS AND PROFFERS.
THE CODE SECTION THAT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS TYPE OF SUBDIVISION.
AGAIN, MORE THAN 50 LOTS REQUIRES A, UH, UM, REQUIRES A, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT SECTION 78 DASH NINE D THREE IS WHAT REQUIRES THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I'M SORRY FOR, FOR, FOR PLATS, CREATING 10 OR MORE LOTS UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
UH, THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING NEW PRIVATE ROADS.
SO, UM, MORE SPECIFICALLY, AND, AND THIS IS, UH, STRAIGHT OUTTA THE ORDINANCE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION SHALL BE FORWARDED TO THE AGENT WHO WILL THEN APPROVE OR DENY THE PLAT AND NOTIFY THE APPLICANT IN WRITING.
SO YOU PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE SUBDIVISION AGENT, AND THEN THE SUBDIVISION AGENT WILL, UM, WILL, UH, APPROVE OR DENY.
NOW, UH, THERE WERE THREE CHANGES THAT THE STAFF, UH, THAT THE STAFF, UH, UH, UH, CONSIDERED FROM THE, UH, FROM THE APPROVED LAYOUT WITH THE REZONING AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, DUPLEX LOT SIZES WERE INCREASED.
THE UNIT COUNTS WERE ESSENTIALLY FLIPPED, AND THERE IS A NEW CUL-DE-SAC TURNAROUND AND SOME TOWNHOUSES, UH, UH, IN, UH, ONE PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT IT.
NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, ALL OTHER ELEMENTS ARE THE SAME COMMON AREAS AND AMENITIES, STREETS AND ENTRANCES, AND THE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE TECHNICALLY NOT PART OF THE SUBDIVISION ACTION, BUT, UH, THEY ARE SHOWN, UH, THOSE ARE ALL STILL IN THE SAME PLACES.
NOW, WITH REGARDS TO CHANGE, NUMBER ONE, IF YOU SEE IN THIS FIRST COLUMN HERE, WHAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE REZONING AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, ORIGINALLY THEY HAD REQUESTED 76 DUPLEXES, 55 TOWNHOUSES THAT YIELDED A TOTAL OF 131 HOUSING UNITS.
AND THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, WHICH IS BEING CONSIDERED TONIGHT FOR A, UM, FOR A RECOMMENDATION, UH, REDUCING BY 24, THE NUMBER OF DUPLEXES TO 52 AND RE AND INCREASING BY 23, THE NUMBER OF TOWNHOUSES GOING FROM 55 TO 78.
AND AGAIN, THAT YIELDS, UM, AN OVERALL LOSS OR REDUCTION, I SHOULD SAY, IN, UH, UH, BY ONE, UH, UH, ONE HOUSING UNIT.
AGAIN, THE LOCATION OF THE UNIT TYPES HAVE NOT CHANGED.
SO ANY, ANY AREAS THAT WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY, UH, THAT WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY, UH, DESIGNATED FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, TO TO, TO NOT BE RESIDENTIAL IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S STILL ESSENTIALLY THE SAME CHANGE.
NUMBER TWO, THE DUPLEX LOT SIZES WERE INCREASED.
AGAIN, FOR THOSE OF US WHO WERE, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE ON THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME, UH, THERE WAS A WAIVER THAT WAS GRANTED TO DECREASE THE LOT SIZES.
UM, NOW THAT THEY HAVE INCREASED THE LOT SIZES, THOSE LOTS STILL MEET THE PROVISIONS OF THE WAIVER, SINCE THEY DON'T FALL BELOW THE MINIMUM.
CHANGE NUMBER THREE, UH, THERE IS A NEW CUL-DE-SAC IN, IN ADDITIONAL TOWNHOUSES, UM, UH, MR. CARBAUGH HAD PREVIOUSLY SHOWN A STUB WHERE THERE IS NOW A CUL-DE-SAC, AND THERE ARE TOWNHOUSES THAT ARE BEING SHOWN ALONG THIS ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY IN, UH, IN THE STAFF'S OPINION THAT, WELL, THE, THESE ELEMENTS ARE STILL IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE WAIVERS, AND THAT'S A FACT, BUT THE, UH, BUT THE SUBSTANTIAL, BUT IT'S, IT'S STILL IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED LAYOUT.
I'LL BE SHOWING THOSE APPROVED LAYOUTS TO YOU HERE SHORTLY.
ACTUALLY, I'LL SHOW THEM TO YOU NOW,
SO THIS IS THE, UH, AS, AS REQUESTED, UM, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, THE OVERALL,
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UH, THE OVERALL PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT WAS SUBMITTED.SHANTE, CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, PLEASE? I GO.
JUST HOLD THE, UH, CONTROL KEY DOWN AND THEN MOUSE WHEEL UP, AND THAT SHOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH.
SO, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE THIRD CHANGE RIGHT HERE.
SO, RIGHT, UH, PREVIOUSLY THEY HAD SHOWN JUST A, UM, JUST A STUB COMING OUT HERE.
THEY'VE INCREASED THAT TO A CUL-DE-SAC.
AND, UM, AND THERE ARE NOW THREE TOWNHOUSES THAT KIND OF, THAT, THAT FRONT ON THAT, UH, THAT FRONT ALONG THAT ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY, IF YOU COULD, UM, PAN UP TO THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
THESE WERE PREVIOUSLY SHOWN AS DUPLEXES, BUT THEY ARE NOW SHOWN AS TOWNHOUSES.
AND IF YOU COULD, UM, GO FURTHER TO THE, UH, TO THE NORTH.
UM, ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THIS AREA HERE, THEY WERE PROPOSING DUPLEXES BEFORE.
BUT AGAIN, THE, THE LOT SIZES, UH, HAVE INCREASED.
SO THAT ELEMENT IS, UH, IS STILL, UH, IS STILL THERE IN TERMS OF THE TYPE OF HOUSING UNIT.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE ON BIGGER LOCKS.
IF YOU COULD HIT ESCAPE AND THEN CONTROL L, THAT'LL GET US BACK TO THAT VIEW.
UH, THIS IS THE PHASING PLAN, AND THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE LAYOUT THAT WAS WITH THE, UH, REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, LAST YEAR.
SO IF YOU COULD, UM, WORK IT THE SAME WAY, ZOOM IN HERE, WE'LL GO NORTH, AND THEN WE'LL GO EVEN FURTHER NORTH THERE.
SO LET'S ZOOM IN JUST A LITTLE BIT HERE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THERE'S A STUB THAT STOPS RIGHT HERE, BUT THERE IS NOW A CUL-DE-SAC HERE AND ADDITIONAL TOWNHOUSES HERE, AGAIN, ALONG THE MAIN SPINE ROAD HERE.
DUPLEXES WERE SHOWN LAST YEAR.
AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT WAS SHOWN LAST YEAR, AND NOW THERE ARE, UH, TOWNHOUSES, AND IF YOU GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH, UH, TO SHOW ALL OF THESE DUPLEXES HERE, UH, THEY ARE ON LARGER LOTS, WHICH STILL MEET THE MINIMUM, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY REDUCED BY WAIVER.
THEY ELECTED NOT TO, UH, NOT TO, UH, UH, EMPLOY THAT WAIVER BY GOING WITH LARGER, WITH LARGER LOT SIZES.
IF YOU COULD ESCAPE AND CONTROL L.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE, UH, THE, THE BUFFER PLAN.
WE ALSO HAVE THE WAIVERS AND THE, UH, AND THE PROFFERS AVAILABLE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THOSE.
THE, THE PRIMARY, THE PRIMARY WAIVERS THAT ARE AFFECTED ARE GONNA BE THIS, UH, THIS, UH, AGRICULTURAL, UH, 200 FOOT AGRICULTURAL SETBACK, AND THEN ALSO THE MINIMUM LOT SIZES FOR DUPLEXES AND TOWNHOUSE UNITS.
SO, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND FLIP THROUGH THE PROFFERS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE, UH, OF, OF THE SUBDIVISION PLAT.
THE STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THE CHANGES THAT ARE, THAT WERE SUBMITTED ARE, UH, SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH TO WARRANT ANY FURTHER ACTION.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I CAN FIELD ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
MR. CARBAUGH IS ALSO HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, TO, UH, UM, SPEAK TO THE APPLICATION.
SO I GUESS I, I HAVE ONE AND YOU STILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO, UM, I, YOU, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF FOLKS WHO WANT TO ALSO SPEAK.
OH, THEY DON'T WANT, DO YOU WANT TO, WE JUST, OKAY.
THEY DID NOT SIGN UP TO SPEAK AND THEY DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.
BUT AGAIN, MR. CARBAUGH IS HERE FOR YOUR, UM, ALSO AS A, AS A RESOURCE OR A REFERENCE.
DID MR. CARBAUGH WANT TO DO HIS 10 MINUTES? WOULD YOU LIKE TO USE 10 MINUTES? SURE.
I JUST, YOU YOU WANNA GO BACK TO PLAN? YOU GONNA GIMME CONTROL OF THIS? YEAH.
I THINK THIS, THAT'S, THAT'S LAST YEAR'S PLAN.
OH, I GOTTA GET GOING BACK THE OTHER WAY.
ALRIGHT, WELL, I'LL JUST START HERE.
STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES.
CHRIS CARAL, I'M ATLANTIC GROUP AND ASSOCIATES AND COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCE, LLC.
UM, I WILL JUST SPEAK JUST BRIEFLY, UM, TO THE, THE, THE, THE QUESTION OR, UH, ISSUE ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE PLAN.
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DID GET THE APPROVAL, UM, FOR THE REZONING, UM, WE DID START DISCUSSING THE ACTUAL BUILDING TYPES WITH OUR BUILDERS.AND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD GET LARGER UNITS THAT NOT ONLY ALLOWED FOR A TWO CAR GARAGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, BUT ALSO ALLOWED FOR A FIRST ROOM OR FIRST FLOOR MASTER SUITE.
SO THAT WAS THE BIG REASON FOR THE CHANGE, THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING 24 FOOT WIDE TOWN HOMES, WHICH WERE ILLUSTRATED ON THE FIRST SUBMITTAL, THE SECOND PLAN THAT YOU S DID I GO THE WRONG WAY AGAIN? WHAT'S THE ONE'S THAT'S NOT BACK TWO SLIDES.
THAT'S NOT, OH, IS THAT IT? ONE MORE? THEY'RE THE SAME SLIDE, BUT THIS IS YOUR PRELIMINARY THAT YOU, SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS REALLY WE WENT FROM 24 FOOT WIDE, UM, TOWNHOMES TO 30 FOOT TOWNHOMES.
SO, WELL, THEY'RE ALL 30 FOOT NOW.
SO BA BASICALLY EVERY UNIT WILL BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A FIRST FLOOR MASTER SUITE.
WE THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CUSTOMERS, YOU KNOW, THE HOME BUYERS WILL WANT IN THIS SITUATION IF WE CAN PROVIDE IT.
SO WE DIDN'T INCREASE THE DENSITY, WE JUST SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GOING BELOW THE, THE WAIVER SIZE FOR ANY LOT, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE GO WITH A LARGER LOT, I'VE NEVER FOUND THAT TO BE A PROBLEM.
IT'S ACTUALLY TYPICALLY FOUND TO BE MORE DESIRABLE TO HAVE A LARGER FOOTPRINT.
SO THAT'S THE, THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE, UM, IN THE PLAN.
WE THINK IT MAKES A MUCH BETTER PLAN.
LIKE I SAID, NOT REQUIRING THE RESIDENTS TO GO TO A SECOND FLOOR OR A THIRD FLOOR FOR A BEDROOM, BUT ALLOWING THAT MASTER SUITE ON THE FIRST FLOOR MM-HMM
SO WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE MAJOR CHANGE, UM, WHICH WE BELIEVE IS A MINOR CHANGE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE, UM, GOING FORWARD QUESTION.
THE TOWNHOUSES ARE FOR SALE, UH, AND THE MM-HMM
DUPLEXES WORK FOR RENT? NO, THE, THE, THE TOWNS AND DUPLEXES WILL LIKELY BE FOR SALE.
THE, THE ONLY RENTAL PRODUCT WOULD BE THE GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS.
AND GENTLEMEN, THAT MAKES A RENTAL AND SALE.
THE PERCENTAGE OF RENTAL AND THE PERCENTAGE OF YOUR PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR SALE, GENERALLY, WHAT DOES THAT MIX? WELL, I MEAN, WE HAVE 300 AND, AND 12 APARTMENTS ULTIMATELY PROPOSED.
UM, AND THEN YOU'RE 130, THAT WOULD BE BE FOR SALE MARKET RATE.
WHEN DO YOU PROPOSE A START BUILDING FROM THIS? UH, THAT'S ALL UP TO AKIMA COUNTY.
ONCE YOU GET THE APPROVALS AND ONCE WE GET THE APPROVALS, WE'RE READY TO GO.
DID YOU SAY YOU WENT TO A BIGGER LOT SIZE? YES.
EVERY, EVERY LOT SIZE THERE, THERE'S NO, NOT ANY LOT THAT GOT SMALLER.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT WENT FROM 24 FOOT WIDE TOWN HOMES TO 30 FOOT WIDE TOWN HOMES.
SO THEY'RE LARGER THAN WHAT WAS ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY BOTH THIS PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THE TOWN HOME LOTS GOT BIGGER, BUT WHEN YOU HAD A, UH, DUPLEX ON IT, THE LOT THAT YOU PROPOSED BEFORE ACTUALLY GOT SMALLER? NO, NO.
IF YOU WENT TO THE LAST, UH, LAST THE SLIDE FROM APPROVED, RIGHT.
SO YOU ZOOM IN, I CAN'T ZOOM IN.
NO LOT GOT SMALLER THAT THERE CREATED 24 FOOT WIDE LOTS.
NOW EVERY LIES A MINIMUM OF 30 FOOT.
OUR DUPLEX LOTS GO UP TO 40 FOOT WIDE BECAUSE OF THE SETBACKS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DUPLEX.
AND YOU GOT RID OF THE OPEN SPACE BETWEEN, SO YOU GOT FOUR, FIVE, UM, TOWNHOUSES THERE, AND THEN A SPACE, WELL, WITH SETBACKS, THE, IT'S JUST THE SPACING GOT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE UNITS ARE WIDER.
I MEAN, THAT'S ALL, I MEAN, IT HAPPENS LOGICALLY.
IF YOU'RE GONNA CREATE A WIDER UNIT, YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE YOUR SETBACKS FOOTPRINTS.
YOU MEAN YOUR SIDE YARD IS CHANGED FOR SOME OF 'EM, AREN'T THEY? NO, WE STILL COMPLY WITH THE SETBACKS.
SO DOES YOUR LANDSCAPE PLAN CHANGE WITH YOUR NEW, UH, PROPOSAL? WE'VE PRESENTED OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE PUT ON US WITH THE, THE, THE APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE OTHER, WITH THAT, THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN RIGHT THERE, DOES THAT FIT INTO THE NEW UH, WELL, WE HAD, WE HAD, UH, I BELIEVE WE HAD CONDITIONS
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FOR CERTAIN AREAS LIKE THE ENTRANCE, LIKE AGAINST THE, UM, THE DAYCARE, MAYBE THERE WAS SOME FENCING.WE HAD CERTAIN AREAS THAT THERE WERE LANDSCAPING REQUESTS, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS PUT ON US WITH THE REZONING OF THE CONDITIONAL USE.
JUST THAT WE DO LANDSCAPING, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE STILL PLAN TO DO A VERY HIGH END NICE LANDSCAPING, UM, PLAN, UM, WHICH HAS BEEN PROVIDED THROUGH THE COUNTY.
IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS ON THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THE LANDSCAPING AS WELL.
UM, JUST, JUST TODAY WE, WE RECEIVED THE, UM, THE, UH, CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS, THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THIS, JUST THIS MORNING.
SO, UH, CHANTE AND I WILL BE, UH, WILL BE UNPACKING THAT TOMORROW AND TAKING CONSIDERABLE TIME TO JUST SEE WHAT ALL WE RECEIVED.
BUT A LANDSCAPING PLAN WAS INCLUDED IN THAT.
UH, MR. CARBAUGH, I WANT TO CONFIRM WHAT MR. CARBAUGH SAID IN TERMS OF THE MULTIPLE REQUESTS FOR LANDSCAPING USING THIS EXHIBIT HERE ON THE SCREEN.
UH, THESE, UH, THIS, THIS PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTED ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO WANTED TO SEE SOMETHING, UH, BEEFED UP IN RESPONSE TO SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND IF I MAY, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS EVEN THE PLAN THAT SHOWED THAT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A PLAN EVEN AFTER THIS THAT ADDED ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
UM, I THINK THIS WAS PROBABLY ONE PLAN BEFORE THE REVISED PLAN THAT, THAT INCORPORATED THAT REQUEST.
SINCE, SINCE LANDSCAPING WAS NOT ORIGINALLY BROUGHT UP AS AN ISSUE FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, UM, IN, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH INDIVIDUAL PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, THEY WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS SLIDE DECK, BUT, UM, AS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A, THERE IS A, UH, CONSIDERABLE NUMBER OF STREET TREES, AS I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, ALL OF THE COMMON AREA AND OPEN SPACES OR, OR ARE STILL IN THE, ARE STILL IN THE SAME PLACES AS THEY WERE SHOWN BEFORE.
ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, ONE MORE, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER IF WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION LAST YEAR.
THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK AROUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT KIND OF PRICE POINT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? HAVE YOU, UH, I, I'LL, I'LL SPEAK AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER, TURN IT BACK OVER TO MR. CARBAUGH.
BUT IF YOU RECALL, ACTUALLY IF WE CAN GO TO THE PROFFERS, IT'S 120% OF MEAN, UH, INCOME, RIGHT.
WORKFORCE HOUSING NUMBER NINE.
SO THERE IS, THERE IS A, UH, THERE IS A PROFFER FOR, UH, 20% OF THE GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS AND I BELIEVE THAT FIGURE ACTUALLY COMES OUT TO AROUND 62 OR 63 UNITS.
SO, UM, AS, AS HE MOVES FORWARD WITH HIS CONSTRUCTION MM-HMM
AND EVENTUALLY GETS TO THE, TO THE GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS, WHICH YOUR TYPICAL APARTMENT BUILDINGS IF YOU WILL.
THAT, UH, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THOSE WILL BE, UH, WILL BE REQUIRED TO, UH, TO COMPLY WITH, UH, WITH THESE, UM, UH, WITH THESE PERCENTAGES IN TERMS OF THE, UH, UH, MONTHLY INCOME RANGES.
SO, BUT IF, IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC PRICE POINTS, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE, TO THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
WELL, YOU TALKING BUT WORKFORCE HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS YOU'RE TALKING AND SO FORTH, RIGHT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TOWNHOUSE.
DO YOU HAVE SOME IDEA OF HOW MUCH YOU ARE GOING TO ASK? ONE OF THEM? I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, FOR ME TO PUT OUT A NUMBER RIGHT NOW, THE WAY HOME PRICES, CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE GOING, IT'S TOO EARLY TO SAY OKAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, LISTEN, IF WE'RE BUILDING THIS YEAR, IT'S ONE THING IF WE'RE BUILDING NEXT YEAR, IT'S ANOTHER.
SO IT'S JUST PROBABLY TOO EARLY TO YEAH.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU START.
COULD WE GO BACK TO THE MAP? WHAT ARE THE ACCESS POINTS TO ENTER AND EXIT THE COMPLEX? OKAY.
THIS IS A GOOD ONE RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLA THAT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT DOWN HERE TO THE, UM, WE'LL CALL IT THE SOUTHWEST MM-HMM
UM, UH, THIS IS THE, UM, THE SHOPPING CENTER WHERE FOOD LION IS, AND THIS IS FAIRGROUNDS ROAD.
AND IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE SELF STORAGE, AND THEN FURTHER DOWN IS THE CHILDCARE CENTER.
AND, UH, WHAT WE DO NOT SEE ON THIS, UH, ON THIS PLAT HERE IS, UH, MARKET STREET, WHICH IS RIGHT THROUGH HERE, AND THEN
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THE INTERSECTION OF MARKET STREET AND FAIRGROUNDS ROAD IS RIGHT HERE IN THIS VICINITY.UM, THIS IS ONE ACCESS POINT OFF OF FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, AND THEN THE OTHER ACCESS POINT IS GOING TO BE HERE OFF OF ROUTE 13, WHICH IS A RIGHT IN ONLY, THEY CAN'T EVEN COME OUT.
THEY, THE, UM, ACCESS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO COME BACK OUT HERE.
INSTEAD, ACCESS WOULD BE ACHIEVED THROUGH AN EASEMENT THROUGH THE, UM, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, UH, THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE HARDEE'S, AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THE, UH, PIZZA HUT.
SO, UH, THIS HATCHED AREA RIGHT HERE IS AN ACCESS EASEMENT THAT HE HAS WORKED WITH THE OWNER OF THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO, THOSE ARE THE THREE PRIMARY ACCESS POINTS AND, AND EC AS WELL.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING IN EASEMENT WITH ANNEX TO COME THROUGH.
UM, UH, UH, I BELIEVE THIS IS COOPERATIVE WAY.
AND THAT'S THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE RIGHT THERE IS THAT, UH, THIS, THIS TRAFFIC CIRCLE IS A PROPOSED TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
THE LEY TRAFFIC CIRCLE IS LIKE WAY OFF OF THE, OFF OF THE PLANET.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, I'M, THIS IS THE PART I'M HAPPY ABOUT.
IT'S THOSE MONSTROSITIES OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT THEY WANNA BUILD.
THAT DRIVES ME TO DISTRACTION.
WELL, LET'S OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? NO.
I GUESS WE CAN, UM, CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO I SEE THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES.
IT'S JUST NOT LIKE ADDING A FEW BUSHES HERE AND THERE, OR CHANGING ONE THING OR ANOTHER.
I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD OPEN, YOU SHOULD, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A AMENDMENT TO THE CI CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
WE HAVE, UH, CHANGES TO, WE HAVE ADDED AN OUT LOT C AND STORM WATER ON PHASE THREE.
THERE'S THREE MORE PONDS RIGHT THERE.
YOU SEE WHERE IT BUMPS UP THE RIGHT AND RIGHT HERE? YEP.
YOU HAVE, UH, OUT LOT C IS BEHIND, UH, RIGHT BESIDE MR. WHITE'S HOUSE ON THE CADDY CORNER.
YOU'VE CHANGED THE LOT SIZE, YOU'VE CHANGED THE DENSITY.
YOU'VE PRETTY MUCH PROBABLY CHANGED THE STORMWATER PLAN.
SO YOU CHANGED THE LANDSCAPE BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE HOUSES HERE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND IF YOU WANNA ADD A FEW BUSHES OR CHANGE A ROAD OR SOMETHING, BUT IN REALITY WE NEED TO OPEN, YOU NEED AMENDMENT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO IF WE GO TO, UH, THIS RIGHT HERE, IF YOU COULD, UM, ZOOM IN ON THESE AREAS HERE WHERE THE POND IS, UH, ABOVE THE POND, NO POND.
THOSE, YOU KNOW, UH, THOSE ARE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER ANCILLARY CHANGES.
UM, WHETHER THOSE ARE, WHETHER THOSE ARE PONDS OR, UH, OR IF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE, UH, LANDSCAPE AREAS.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH A CHANGE TO SEND IT BACK TO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE, UH, OUT PARCEL C THAT WAS SHOWN ON THE PREVIOUS, ON THIS PREVIOUS PLAN AS WELL.
WELL, IT DIDN'T SHOW IT AS A ANYTHING BUT AN OPEN AREA ON THE DRAWING I GOT HERE.
THAT'S THE OLD MAP ON THE DRAWING I HAVE HERE, IF I MAY.
WHEN YOU APPLY FOR REZONING IN ANY JURISDICTION, YOU HAVEN'T DONE THE ENGINEERING TO ANY PLAN YET.
IT'S A BASIC CONCEPT, A LAYOUT OF YOUR PROPOSED USES.
I UNDERSTAND THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOUR DENSITY, YOUR MINIMUM LOT SIZES.
THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO AT THE REZONING.
IT TAKES HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO ENGINEER A PROJECT LIKE THIS CLOSE TO MAYBE A MILLION DOLLARS TO ENGINEER A PLAN LIKE THIS TO GET TO THE ANSWERS, TO KNOW HOW ALL YOUR SPACES WILL WORK, HOW YOUR STORMWATER WORKS COMES WAY DOWN THE ROAD FROM A REZONING.
THE REZONING IS JUST A FIRST STEP.
SO THERE WILL ALWAYS BE CHANGES IN A REZONING TO THAT MINOR EXTENT.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE MAJOR AT ALL.
YOU CANNOT KNOW THOSE ANSWERS AT A REZONING.
SO JUST KNOW WE REALLY, TRULY BELIEVE WE KEPT TO THE CHARACTER OF THE PLAN, THE DENSITY OF THE PLAN.
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YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST EFFORT TO EVEN CREATE A BETTER PRODUCT FOR THIS PROJECT.SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S ASKING A LITTLE MUCH FOR A REZONING STAGE TO BE THAT NAILED DOWN, TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE EVERYTHING HAS TO GO.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT REZONING, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON, UH, MARCH 13TH, MR. PAM HAD SAID THE CONDITIONS IN THE CUP SITE PLANS HAS TO MATCH THE CONCESSIONAL PLAN.
WHEN WE WERE PROVIDED, WHEN THE CUP WAS APPROVED, YOU SAID THESE ARE THE PLANS.
I MEAN, MR. CREDIT AND IN ELECTRIC YOU GUYS ADDED EXTRA, UH, OFFICE SPACE TO YOUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
YOU REMEMBER COMING BACK, YOU HAD TO CHANGE, HAD TO DO AMENDMENT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PLAN TO ADD A SMALL OFFICE TRAILER TO A AND N ELECTRIC.
YEAH, WE, WE OPTED NOT TO GO THROUGH WITH IT.
YEAH, BUT YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH, THE PLAN CHANGED BECAUSE THEY ADDED A CONDITION, YOU KNOW, YOU CHANGED THE PLAN BY A LOT.
THEY ADDED OFFICE SPACE, THEREFORE, A AND L ELECTRIC CAME BACK AND DID AN AMENDMENT TO CONDITIONAL USE PLAN.
WE DIDN'T AGREE TO CHANGES LIKE THIS.
IT'S, AND IF WE'VE ASKED OTHERS IN THE PAST TO DO IT, I MEAN, I REALIZE WE GOTTA LOOK AT EVERYTHING INDIVIDUALLY, BUT IF IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL, IT SHOULD BE VERY EASY TO DO AN AMENDMENT.
SO THE ISSUE WITH AN AMENDMENT, QUITE FRANKLY IS THAT IT TAKES FOUR MONTHS AND, UH, BUT, BUT, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE CHANGED THE PLAN.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH, WITH THAT ASPECT OF IT IS WE APPROVED A PLAN AND NOW THE PLAN HAS CHANGED.
WHAT I THINK, I THINK I DO DISAGREE WITH THAT WE'VE CHANGED THE PLAN.
I MEAN, WE AGREED TO APPROVE A HOUSING PROJECT, UH, PROJECT.
IT'S STILL A HOUSING PROJECT WITH RENTAL USE SALE UNITS.
AND SO WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY SITUATED OR WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY, I DON'T THINK IT REALLY CHANGED THE FACT THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE APPROVE.
SO WE DIDN'T APPROVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHERE STUFF WAS, WHERE ROADS WERE, WHERE BUILDINGS WERE, WHERE ANYTHING WE, I GOT A QUESTION.
ARE THEY BASICALLY USING THE SAME SPACE YES.
AT ACREAGE OR DID THEY SUBTRACT ACREAGE OR ARE THEY USING THAT? IF IT WAS A HUNDRED ACRES AND INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND MAYBE PROVIDING BETTER HOUSING OR BIGGER HOUSING OR, UM, I LIKED THE IDEA OF THE TOWN HOUSES AND TAKING OUT THE OTHER ONES.
I, I LIKED THAT BECAUSE IT WILL PROVIDE MORE, UM, HOUSING.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, MOVING A BUSH HERE AND A BUSH THERE OR YOU KNOW, AND I EVEN THE, THE CUL-DE-SAC, I, I PERSONALLY THOUGHT THAT WAS BETTER THAN JUST HAVING THAT LITTLE EDGE THAT WAS THERE.
UM, BECAUSE THE CAR COULD CAR, YOU KNOW, THE FAMILIES COULD GO IN AND THEY COULD ACTUALLY U-TURN AND GO OUT RATHER THAN COMING TO A DEAD END AND GOTTA PULL IN SOMEONE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.
BUT WITH A CUL-DE-SAC, IF SOMEONE WAS VISITING OR SOMEONE WOULD JUST, OR MADE A WRONG TURN, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, AND THEY TURNED AROUND, UM, WHAT'S THE RULE ON CHANGES? WHAT'S THE LETTER OF THE LAW ON CHANGES ON UNCONDITIONAL USE PERMITS? UNCONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
WHAT IS THE LETTER OF THE LAW ON CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS CHANGES.
WHAT, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT DID WE APPROVE? IF WE JUST APPROVE, LIKE MR. PETIT SAID AN UH, A SPOT OF DIRT, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT IF WE APPROVED WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT SPOT OF DIRT AND HOW MANY OF 'EM ARE GOING ON THAT SPOT OF DIRT? AND I UNDERSTAND THE REDUCTIONS AND THE INCREASES.
UM, BUT, AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ALL THAT, BUT IF THERE, WHAT IS THE RULE ON A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF WE MAKE CHANGES, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID SPECIFY THAT IT WASN'T A PRELIMINARY IN ALL, IN ALL THESE WE DID, YOU KNOW, I I ALSO THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS SHOULD BE INTENT AND THE THE INTENT IS NOT LOST HERE WITH THE NEW LAYOUT.
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IT'S NOT LOST HERE WITH THE NEW LAYOUT.DENSITY HAS ACTUALLY BEEN REDUCED AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TOWNHOUSES VERSUS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DUPLEXES AND THAT NUMBER IS FLIPPED, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH CHANGE TO FORCE A A, UH, UM, A FOUR MONTH PROCESS IN THIS CASE.
I, I DON'T DIS I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, BUT MY, MY, SO IF THERE'S A RULE, IN OTHER WORDS, IF, IF THERE IS A, I UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT AND THEN THERE'S THE LETTER.
SO WE'RE IN THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW AND THE RULE RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT IS THE LETTER? WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS WHAT, WHAT DID WE SAY AND, AND WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE, I MEAN, IF MR. PETIT RECALLS THAT WE SIMPLY WERE IN GENERAL DOING THINGS, YOU KNOW, AND IN GENERAL WERE DOING THINGS NOW, IS THAT SUFFICIENT? I MEAN IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY A REDUCTION OF ONE HOUSE.
CAN WE, CAN, CAN WE DO THIS? AND, AND IT'S IT'S A REDUCTION OF ONE HOUSE.
WE ARE STILL MEETING THE, THE REC NOW IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LETTER OF THE LAW IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE WAIVERS, THEY STILL COMPLY WITH THE WAIVERS.
THEY STILL COMPLY WITH THE PROFFERS AND THEY STILL COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS.
AND I'M NOT ASKING, UH, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE TURN A BLIND EYE TO AND, AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN, BUT I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE APPROVED, UH, TOWNHOUSES, UH, AT THE NORTHERN PORTION AND WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN CONSTRUCTION, UH, STARTED UP THERE BECAUSE OF ROADBLOCKS AND, AND WHATEVER'S HAPPENING.
I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO BE KNOWN FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO GET A PROJECT OFF THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, OR WE ARE GOING TO BE KNOWN FOR TWO, THREE YEARS TO JUST GO THROUGH THE PRELIMINARIES AND WE ARE IN YEAR TWO.
NOW IF I'M, IF MY CALCULATION'S RIGHT ALREADY, AND SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD OVERLOOK ANY OF YOUR CONCERNS, BUT IF THEY DON'T RISE TO A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO SLOW THIS PROJECT DOWN, THEN I'M REALLY ADVOCATING THAT WE, WE BE PART OF THE SOLUTION HERE.
SO WE'RE WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THE SPIRIT IN THE LETTER THEN CAN, UH, CAN THEY BUILD A HOUSE WITHOUT SEWER RUNNING THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? IS THERE SEWER TO THE ENTRANCE OF THIS PROPERTY? SEWER IS CURRENTLY AT THE INTERSECTION.
IS IS IS ON THE SOUTH LINE OF, UH, MARKET STREET.
HOW LONG IS IT? THEY WOULD HAVE TO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO EXTEND THAT, UH, UP, UP, UM, UH, FAIRGROUNDS ROAD TO THIS POINT.
BUT, UM, THEN IT WOULD COME INTO THE MAIN, UH, ENTRANCE HERE AND THEN, UH, AND THEN CONNECT TO THEIR UH, UH, WATER DISTRIBUTION AND SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEMS. WOULD THAT TAKE MORE THAN FOUR MONTHS? I FEEL LIKE CONDITIONAL U USE PERMITS ARE BUILT ON FACTS MM-HMM
AND WE'RE CHANGING THE LOOK AND LAYOUT.
I MEAN, THE LOOK AND THE FACTS OF THE PLOT.
WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE LOOK OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE, WE, WE ARE CHANGING CERTAIN, UH, WE, WE ARE CHANGING CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THAT, OR I SHOULD SAY THE APPLICANT IS CHANGING CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THAT, AND THE STAFF DOES NOT FEEL THAT THOSE SUB, THAT THOSE CHANGES ARE SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH TO, UH, TO, UH, TO DELAY THIS ANY LONGER.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, IS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
AGAIN, THE, THE ULTIMATE DECISION IS UP TO THE, UH, TO THE SUBDIVISION AGENT.
BUT I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL.
I FEEL LIKE ALL THE, UH, DRAWINGS THAT WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ARE JUST VOID.
IF YOU, UM, WENT OUT LIKE THE LANDSCAPE AND ALL THOSE ADDED TO THIS, NONE OF THAT HAS CHANGED.
SO YOU'RE, YOU DON'T HAVE A TOWNHOUSE ON WHERE SOME OF THAT LANDSCAPE IS.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT GRANULAR LEVEL OF DETAIL, THEN YOU KNOW THAT, UH, THOSE TREES CAN BE PLANTED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
HOW ABOUT THE THREE PONDS OR FOUR PONDS THAT WERE ADDED? IN STAFF'S OPINION, THAT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH CHANGE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL.
WHAT IS THE RULE AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? LIKE DO WE HAVE THAT? I MEAN, WHAT I, I MENTIONED THAT IF THEY, IF THEY COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, THE PROFFERS AND THE WAIVERS,
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THAT THAT IS ENOUGH FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD, WHICH THEY DO.OKAY, SO LET ME UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT TONIGHT FROM US ON THIS BOARD THAT YOU RENDER A RECOMMENDATION TO ME AS THE SUBDIVISION AGENT, WHICH IS IN THE ZONING, WHICH IS IN THE, UH, ORDINANCE.
THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, UM, FOR YOU CAN EITHER RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR RECOMMEND DENIAL.
IT IS A RECOMMENDATION, NOT A DECISION.
THAT DECISION IS ULTIMATELY LEFT UP TO THE SUBDIVISION AGENT.
QUITE FRANKLY, I'D RATHER NOT BE AT ODDS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THAT.
UM, I, I, I THINK THAT THERE IS ENOUGH TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL HERE.
SO SINCE THERE WERE CHANGES, UM, HOW DO WE GO BACK AND, AND, AND UPDATE WHAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED RECOMMENDATION, EVEN THOUGH IT, IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO CHANGE THE WAIVERS AND THE OTHER, THE PROCTORS AND OTHER MATTERS.
YOU MEAN THE, YEAH, THE PLAT WOULD DO THAT.
THE, THE, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WOULD DO THAT.
THIS, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS IN, THAT WAS INCLUDED WITH THE REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE PLAT, THIS IS THE PLAT HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STREET LAYOUT'S LARGELY THE SAME.
I'M NOT GETTING THAT GRANULAR WITH THE STORMWATER PONDS.
BUT AGAIN, IF, IF, UH, IF THEY NEED ADDITIONAL PONDS TO, TO MEET CALCULATIONS, THEN THEY NEED ADDITIONAL PONDS TO MEET CALCULATIONS.
THESE ARE STORMWATER RETENTIONS, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
AND THEY'RE NOT REFLECTED HERE.
CORRECT? THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE THREE STORMWATER PONDS THAT ARE OF, THAT ARE PART OF THE QUESTION HERE.
NOW IF I GO HERE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE SHOWN AS LANDSCAPE AREAS WE HAVE TO, THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL CONSIDERED OPEN SPACE.
AND YES, WE, THERE, THERE ARE STORMWATER REGULATIONS THAT HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED.
UM, THOSE, THOSE PLANS INCIDENTALLY WILL BE SENT TO OUR CONSULTING ENGINEER KIMLEY HORN FOR, UH, REVIEW OF THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL AND STORM WATER, UH, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UH, ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? STAFF FEELS LIKE WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CUP? YES, SIR.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE MINOR CHANGES.
WE DO, WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
NO, I JUST, YOU FEEL THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CUP AND YOU ANSWERED YES.
THAT'S, I, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YOU WANT ME TO READ IT? PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BY THE SUBDIVISION AGENT OF APPLICATION PLOT 0 0 0 6 9 OR EIGHT DASH 2024 COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES OF TAX PARCEL NINE THREE DASH A 87 9 3 DASH A 89 9 3 DASH A NINE ZERO, AND A PORTION OF PARTIAL EIGHT FIVE DASH A FIVE ONE CONTAINING NINE 5.89 ACRES FOR A DETAILED PRELIMINARY PLOT SECTION 78 DASH NINE C AND D OF THE YAKIMA COUNTY CODE FOR 130 LOT RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, INCLUDING COMMON AREAS AND PRIVATE ROADS THAT IS SERVED BY PUBLIC UTILITIES.
THE APPROVAL SUBJECT BE SUBJECT TO THE MARCH 10TH, 2024 PROFFER STATEMENT OF REZONING CASE REZ DASH 0 0 0 5 6 9 OR 2023.
AND THE CONDITIONS AND WAIVERS OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CS E 0 0 5 6 8 3.
WE CAN MOVE ON TO OTHER MATTERS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER MATTERS? NO, MA'AM.
UM, YOU JUST HEARD THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, WITH THIS WE WILL BE NOTIFYING, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE THE, UH, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION UNDER CONSIDERATION AND, UH, AND, UH, RENDER DECISION AFTER THAT.
IN TERMS OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, UM, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, UM, UH, THEY DID NOT MEET IN JANUARY, BUT THEY DID MEET, UH, IN FEBRUARY.
UH, I DO NOT HAVE THEIR, UH, THEIR LIST OF CASES, UH, ON HAND IN TERMS OF DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
OUR ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER HAS RESIGNED.
WE NOW HAVE FIVE VACANCIES IN THE DEPARTMENT.
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THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF'S REPORT.IS THERE ANY PROSPECTS FOR BUILDING INSPECTORS OUT THERE? UM, WE HAVE NOT ADVERTISED, BUT WE'RE HOPEFUL.
YEAH, WE, I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A DISCUSSION AMONG PEOPLE THAT I TALKED TO ABOUT BUILDING INSPECTOR.
IF, UM, IF THEY, IF THEY, IF YOUR NETWORK HAS POTENTIAL APPLICANTS, TELL 'EM TO TALK TO US.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS APRIL 9TH.
UH, I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.