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[Wetlands Board on August 28, 2025.]
O'CLOCK.WELCOME TO THE AUGUST, 2025 OF THE AKIMA COUNTY WETLANDS BOARD.
WHILE GOING THROUGH INTRODUCTORY REMARKS, PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO SILENCE OR TURN OFF ALL YOUR CELL PHONES.
THE WETLANDS BOARD CONSISTS OF FIVE MEMBERS.
APPROVAL OF PERMITS REQUIRES A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE BOARD.
TODAY WE HAVE ALL FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT.
MR. GICK, VICE CHAIR, MR. WARD.
UH, WE HAVE MS. GINGER HARMON, WHO IS, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT MR. PAUL WATSON, DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR OF CODE ADMINISTRATIVE DIVISION.
I'M SURE MR. PAM BID WILL BE HERE IN A FEW MOMENTS.
HE IS THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MS. CLAIRE GORMAN, UH, VIRGINIA MARINE RESOURCES COMMISSION.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE.
THE BOARD IS AWARE AND COMPLIES AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE TO THE OBJECTIVES OF THE VIRGINIA MARINE RESOURCES COMMISSION WETLANDS BOARD OF NO NET LOSS.
ALL APPROVED PERMITS ARE GRANTED FOR A TWO YEAR PERMIT.
FROM THE DATE OF THIS HEARING, UNLESS SPECIFICALLY NOTED ALL PERSONS SPEAKING BEFORE THIS BOARD WILL BE SWORN IN.
FIRST OF ALL, I UH, ASSUME THAT EVERYONE, UH, HAS HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THROUGH THE AGENDA OF THIS MONTH.
IT'S NOT THAT LONG, SO I ASSUME EVERYONE HAS LOOKED AT IT.
UM, THERE NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE TWO MONTHS OF MINUTES THAT I HOPE EVERYONE HAS OR IS LOOKED OVER.
UH, YOU HAVE, UH, JULY IN FRONT OF YOU, I THINK, AND EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE JUNE.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? EVERYBODY HAD TIME TO LOOK IT OVER? SO WE HAVE TWO MONTHS OF MINUTES.
UH, MAY I ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE? OBJECTION, MR. THANK YOU, SIR.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, MAJORITY VOTE.
SO THE MINUTES ARE IN THE BOOK.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
START WITH, THIS IS, UH, UNPAID WETLANDS MITIGATION FEES.
UH, LAST MEETING, UH, SWORN COMPLAINT WAS PRESENTED.
UH, SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU, SIR, TO LET ME SWEAR YOU IN, THEN YOU CARRY US THROUGH.
DO YOU FIRMLY SWEAR YOU TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN ALL MATTERS BEFORE THIS BOARD? I DO.
UH, WOULD YOU BRING US UP TO DATE? UM, THE, UH, KAYLEE, UH, MITIGATION FEE HAS BEEN PAID.
I SENT CERTIFIED LETTERS TO BOTH BUCKLIN AND BURKE.
UH, THE BUCKLIN LETTER WAS DELIVERED.
THE BURKE LETTER WAS UNCLAIMED AND RETURNED.
I DID SPEAK WITH MR. BUCKLIN LAST FRIDAY, UH, FOR PROBABLY CLOSE TO AN HOUR ABOUT THE, UH, FEE AND ONCE HE WAS CONVINCED THAT IT WAS ASSESSED, 'CAUSE HE WAS AT THE MEETING AND THERE WAS A LITTLE CONFUSION, BUT ONCE HE WAS CONVINCED OF IT, HE DID TELL ME THAT HE WOULD PAY IT.
IT HAS NOT BEEN PAID TO DATE, BUT I DO EXPECT HIM TO PAY IT BA BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION.
AND, AND WE DID, UH, FORWARD HIM A NEW INVOICE, I BELIEVE ON, UH, MONDAY, UM, FOR HIM TO PAY ONLINE.
AND PLEASE PAUL, UH, IF IT'S UNPAID, WHAT'S THE NEXT MOVE? UM, WE ALREADY HAVE PUT IT INTO OUR PERMITTING SYSTEM SUCH THAT THESE PROPERTIES CANNOT GET NEW PERMITS UNTIL IT'S PAID.
UM, THE NEXT STEP AFTER THAT WOULD BE, UH, GETTING A JUDGMENT TO PLACE IT ON THE PROPERTY, UH, SUCH THAT THE PROPERTY COULD NOT BE CONVEYED WITHOUT THE SELLER OR THE PURCHASER OF PAYING.
WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO AND WE CAN DO.
IS THAT CORRECT? WE ARE, WE'RE, UH, LEAVING IT UP TO YOU.
I, I THINK WE'RE PROGRESSING STEP TO STEP EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO.
I EXPECT BY THE, WELL, HOPEFULLY BY THE NEXT MEETING, WELL CERTAINLY SINCE WE'RE NOT HAVING A MEETING IN SEPTEMBER
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BY THE OCTOBER MEETING, THAT, UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE MR. BUCKMAN WOULD'VE PAID AT THAT TIME.I DO HAVE AN EMAIL AND A PHONE NUMBER FOR HIM NOW, SO I CER I, I CAN CONTACT HIM AND, UH, BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK ON FURTHER ACTIONS ON THE BURKE PROPERTY.
SO YOU GIVE HIM TIME TO RECEIVE THE NEW ONE.
JUST SEE, UH, TIME TO EITHER COME HERE AND PAY IT AND OR MAIL IT.
I, I SUPPOSE, UH, WELL WE, WHEN WE SEND HIM THE EMAIL, HE CAN JUST CLICK RIGHT ON A LINK AND PAY IT ONLINE.
UH, SO WE'LL GIVE HIM TIME AND WE'LL WAIT TO HEAR FROM YOU IF IT'S SATISFACTORY.
WHEN YOU SAID GO AHEAD PERMITS, THAT MEANS ALL TYPES OF COUNTY PERMITS, BUILDING PERMITS? CORRECT.
UM, OR AT LEAST ANYTHING FROM BUILDING AND ZONING.
SO WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS TO BUCKLAND? UH, UH, SO BUCKLIN IS THE GENTLEMAN I DID SPEAK TO.
UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, UM, I I GUESS THERE'S BEEN NO CONTACT O OTHER THAN THE REFUSALS OF THE CERTIFIED LETTERS.
IF IN FACT, MR. BURKES, UH, OR THE BURKES LIVE AT THE SAME ADDRESS.
BUT THIS IS THE ADDRESS THAT WE HAVE IN, IN, IN, IN THE COUNTY SYSTEM FOR PROPERTY TAXES.
SO IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS THEY'RE JUST NOT ACCEPTING THE CERTIFIED LETTER.
UM, THE INDICATION I GOT WAS UNCLAIMED AND RETURNED.
SO WHOEVER IS LIVING THERE AT THE TIME GOT THE NOTICE AND DID NOT CLAIM IT.
UM, IT, IT'S A RURAL DELIVERY PO UH, I MEAN, NOT PO BOX, BUT BOX IN FRONT OF A HOUSE.
SO THEY, UH, SO THE INDICATION I GOT THROUGH USPS IS THEY O OBVIOUSLY PUT THE NOTICE IN THE RURAL DELIVERY BOX AND THEN THAT PERSON HAS TO GO TO THE POST OFFICE TO CLAIM IT.
AND THEY DID NOT GO TO THE POST OFFICE.
THEY HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, AT LEAST TWO WEEKS, PROBABLY THREE WEEKS BEFORE IT'S RETURNED BACK TO ME.
UM, I DON'T THINK I'VE GOTTEN IT BACK, BUT I CHECK ONLINE USING THE CERTIFIED, UH, NUMBER.
AND, AND THAT'S HOW I GOT THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT IT, I SHED A LITTLE LIGHT OVER FOR YOU PLEASE.
HE, WE DID THE JOB FOR, WELL YOU GOT SWORN.
DO YOU FIRMLY SWEAR YOU TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH ALL MATTERS BEFORE THIS BOARD? I DO.
THIS IS MR. RAYMOND BRIT, SENIOR CARRY ON, SIR.
WELL, THIS FIRST CAME ABOUT THE FEES, UH, AFTER THE WE MANAGER COULD GO WHILE HE, UH, HE CALLED OUR OFFICE AND ASKED ABOUT IT AND HE THOUGHT I WAS SUPPOSED TO PAY ALL THE FEES, WHICH WE DON'T.
OUR CONTRACT, IT SAYS THERE ANY WETLAND FEES THAT WE, IT BECOMES HIS, HE INDICATED HE HAD NEVER GOTTEN ANYTHING FROM THE WETLANDS BOARD UNTIL REAL RECENTLY WHEN THEY STARTED TRYING TO COLLECT IT AND HE DIDN'T KNOW HE OWED IT.
AND THEN HE STARTED TELLING HE DIDN'T THINK HE OWED IT.
I SAID, WELL, YOU DO OWE IT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY IT.
AND HE WAS UPSET WITH ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T PAY IT.
AND I TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO HIM THAT WE CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THAT FEE'S GOING TO BE UNTIL AFTER THERE.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T PUT IT IN MY CONTRACT.
IF I KNEW WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE EXACT I'D DO IT, BUT WE DON'T.
SO HE INDICATED TO ME THAT HE WANTS SOME PROOF THAT HE OWED IT.
AND I SAID, WE NEED TO CALL TO THE COUNTY AND TALK TO SOMEBODY THERE THAT HAD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BOARD.
HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO THAT.
I SAID, ONCE YOU GET THAT, YOU NEED TO PAY IT.
AND ONE MORE PHONE CALL AFTER THAT.
HE SAID HE HAD NEVER RECEIVED SUFFOLK FROM THE COUNTY YET OTHER THAN NOTICE THAT HE OWED IT.
AND HE, HE STILL DIDN'T KNOW WHY HE OWED IT.
AND I TRIED TO EXPLAIN IT TO HIM, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? PAY SOMETHING.
WE'LL EXPLAIN CERTAINLY WHY YOU OWE IT.
IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE WE NEED NOW? SO BEFORE THE PREVIOUS MEETING, I HAD JUST SENT A REGULAR LETTER, WHICH I ASSUME HE RECEIVED BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHY HE, HE CALLED VIC'S OFFICE.
UM, SO I DO, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE HE GOT MY FIRST LETTER BUT THEN REFUSED THE CERTIFIED LETTER, WHICH WAS BASICALLY AN IDENTICAL LETTER.
I I DID SPEAK TO LINDA AT SOME MONTHS AGO TO SEE IF Y'ALL HAD A PHONE NUMBER FOR HIM.
AT THAT POINT SHE DIDN'T, BUT I'LL GET BACK UP WITH HER.
MAYBE SHE HAS A PHONE NUMBER NOW, NOW THAT HE'S CONTACTED Y'ALL.
BUT, UH, HE SAID HE HAD NEVER GOTTEN NOTHING ORIGINALLY ABOUT THE FEES, WHY HE WAS SO UPSET, WHICH I DON'T KNOW YET.
HE MAY EVER GAVE, UM, BUCKMAN INDICATED TO ME LAST WEEK THAT HE'S GOING TO PAY FINALLY.
UH, I COULDN'T TELL HIM AT THE HEARING.
I SAID, PAUL, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER THEY ASSESSED A FEE OR NOT.
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OF 'EM I GO THROUGH.I SAID, BUT YOU, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO OWE SOMETHING NOW.
YOU SHOULD GO AHEAD AND PAY AND GET IT OVER WITH.
SO I THINK HE'S GOING, I'M PRETTY SURE HE'S GONNA GO AHEAD AND PAY TUESDAY.
I TALKED TO HIM TUESDAY AND HE SAYS GONNA GET A CHECKOUT HERE ALL FOR THAT.
ONLY THING HELPFUL FOR HIM IS HE ACTUALLY WAS AT THE MEETING.
HE ACTUALLY, SO HE CERTAINLY SHOULD KNOW.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION, UH, MR. BRITTON.
AND, UH, THE PART YOU PAY IT, HE PAYS IT IS BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU.
WE GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, BUT WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN DO AND WE WILL CONTINUE ON, SIR, UH, AS, AS WE ARE GOING AND JUST TAKE IT, UH, MEETING AT BY MEETING BASIS IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU.
UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT IT? ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, ON WHAT I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE, CAN WE GET A COPY OF, OF THE, YOUR CONTRACT JUST STATING THAT, THAT YOU DON'T PAY THE YEAH.
I AND THAT WAY THAT'S BENEFICIAL TO US.
I'LL, YOU UNDERST WHAT I'M SAYING THAT WAY.
IT, IT'S RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE.
IT'S CUT AND DRIED AND IT'S CUT AND DRY.
IT POSSIBLE TO TELL YOU WHERE IT'S GOING BE OR? NO, THEY DO THEIR AND I GET THAT PART.
I GET, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT CUTS AND DRIES IT LIKE IT SAYS.
UH, I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO, STAY WHERE YOU ARE, PLEASE.
ANYBODY, ANY THOUGHTS, COMMENTS ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE? NONE CLOSE.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS, WHICH IS NUMBER FIVE.
IT IS, UH, JPA, UM, MR. CHAIR, ARE WE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MICHAEL PULASKI? UH, A LITTLE BIT, UH, PULASKI WAS, UH, FOUR 4.02, UH, YES, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
UM, CONTINUING WITH OLD BUSINESS, PLEASE EXCUSE ME.
UH, 4.02 MICHAEL PULASKI RESTORATION.
UM, PAUL, WOULD YOU BRING US UP TO DATE ON THAT ONE? UM, SO I HAVE EXCHANGED EMAILS WITH HIM SINCE, UH, THE LAST MEETING.
IT WAS ALL WITHIN MAYBE TWO WEEKS OF THE LAST MEETING AS TO WHAT WAS REQUIRED AND, UH, HAVE NOT HEARD FROM HIM SINCE.
BUT THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT GIVING HIM 60 DAYS TO COME UP WITH A PLAN, WHICH HE WOULD BE ONLY MAYBE 37 DAYS IN RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, I HAVE NOT REACHED BACK OUT TO HIM, BUT AFTER THIS MEETING, I'M GONNA SEND HIM AN EMAIL JUST REMINDING HIM THAT WE NEED A PLAN, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE 60 DAYS.
AND, UM, THAT'S TYPICAL OF THAT.
WHAT DO WE DO AFTER THAT POINT? AFTER THAT POINT, IT, HE WOULD BE, UM, AGAIN, IN VIOLATION OF A WEENS BOARD, UH, ORDER AND, UH, BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD FOR MORE.
WELL AT LEAST I WOULD PROPOSE MORE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES.
I GUESS I HAVE TO ASK, DOES THE VMRC GET INVOLVED AT ANY POINT IN THIS? OR IS THAT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD OR THAT'S NOT, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES GOING BACK AND FORTH IN TERMS OF NOT ONLY LOW TIDE, HIGH TIDE AND WELL OFFSHORE THINGS, OFFSHORE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS, WELL, HE HAD A LOT OF YEAH.
DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, BUT THIS PARTICULAR VIOLATION WAS, I BELIEVE, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS ENTIRELY WETLANDS BOARD JURISDICTION, BUT CERTAINLY ALMOST ENTIRELY WETLANDS BOARD JURISDICTION.
UM, SO I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT VMRC WOULD DO, BUT I, I, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WE ARE JUST ENFORCING OUR, OR BOARD'S, ENFORCING ITS ORDER AS TO WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO WITHIN THE WETLANDS BOARD JURISDICTION.
UM, SO I SUPPOSE THAT'S IT, UNLESS ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT FOR MR. WATSON, THAT PRETTY WELL TAKE CARE OF IT.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS NUMBER FIVE.
IT IS 5.01 JPA IS 2 0 2 4 DASH 10 55.
IT'S THE LJ GROUP, LLC COMMERCIAL FISHING PIER COMPLEX AND OBSERVATION DECK WITH A CLEANING STATION AND THREE FLOATING FINGER PIERS.
IT'S AT 77 4 5 2 EAST SIDE ROAD.
UH, MR. WATSON, WOULD YOU CARE TO BRING US UP TO DATE ON THAT ONE? YES.
UM, SO THERE'S A RESTAURANT, THE PEARL RESTAURANT ON THESE TWO PARCELS, AND THIS PIER
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IS INTENDED TO SERVICE THE RESTAURANT, UM, AS YOU'RE WALKING OFF THE SHORE.FIRST YOU GET TO A 30 BY 30 OBSERVATION DECK, MAKE A LEFT TO A 12 BY 30 FOOT FISH CLEANING STATION, AND THEN FURTHER OUT INTO THE CHANNEL, OR NOT INTO THE CHANNEL, BUT APPROACHING THE CHANNEL AT LEAST, OR THREE FINGER FLOATING PIERS.
UM, THE MOORING PILE, THE, THE MOORING PILINGS FOR THE FLOATING PIERS ARE STILL THERE.
UH, THE FLOATING PIERS ARE NOT, UM, UH, MR. BRITTON'S REPORTED THAT THEY ARE ALL UP IN THE PARKING LOT.
I'VE CERTAINLY SEEN, I HAVEN'T CONFIRMED THAT, BUT I'VE, I'VE SEEN THEM UP THERE AT LEAST MOST OF THEM, IF NOT ALL OF THEM.
AND, UH, THE STATED PURPOSE FOR THIS IS FOR TEMPORARY MOORING FOR CUSTOMERS, NOT OVERNIGHT MOORING NOT CORRECT.
NOT ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN, UH, USE OF CUSTOMERS OF THE PEARL RESTAURANT.
UM, SO THE, I GUESS COMPLICATED PORTION OF THIS IS THAT THE WETLANDS BOARD HAS JURISDICTION OVER COMMERCIAL PEERS, OBVIOUSLY NOT OVER NON-COMMERCIAL PEERS.
AND SO I HAD SOME QUESTION ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN? AND I THINK THE BEST EXPLANATION IS, WHILE THIS IS CERTAINLY OR, OR WILL BE SUBJECT TO VMRC REVIEW, VMRC GIVES THE LOCAL WETLANDS BOARD, UH, THE FIRST REVIEW OF THIS FOR LOCAL INPUT INTO THEIR DECISION SUCH THAT THEY HAVE THE LOCAL BOARD'S INPUT BEFORE THEY REACH THEIR DECISION.
AND I ACTUALLY LOOKED BACK INTO, UH, THE VIRGINIA CODE AS TO HOW LONG THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE AND WELL, YOU CAN CLICK ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE 1994 CODE.
AND SO THE LOCAL WETLANDS BOARDS HAVE HAD JURISDICTION OVER COMMERCIAL PIERS IN THIS FASHION SINCE AT LEAST 1994.
UM, AND HERE IS, UH, THE DRAWING OF THE PIER.
UM, SO THIS IS THE RESTAURANT, EXISTING RESTAURANT.
THIS PATIO IS CONNECTED TO THE RESTAURANT AND HERE IS THE CONNECTION FROM SHORE TO THE 30 BY 30 OBSERVATION DECK AND TAKE A LEFT TO THE FISH CLEANING STATION.
AND THIS IS ALSO NOT SHADED IN, BUT IT'S NEW.
UM, AND HERE ARE THE THREE FINGER PIERS THAT ARE NOT THERE RIGHT NOW.
THESE MOORING PILINGS ARE THERE.
UM, AND THIS USED TO BE CONNECTED TO A DOCK THIS WAY, UH, TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
UM, ALL OF, UH, NONE OF THIS IS THERE RIGHT NOW.
OBVIOUSLY NOT THE NEW PIER THAT'S BEING PROPOSED OR THESE OLD FLOATING PIERS.
THESE ARE THE FLOATING PIERS THAT ARE IN THE PARKING LOT NOW.
BUT THE PILINGS ARE STILL THERE.
AND HERE ARE, UM, YOU HAVE TO REVERSE THE ORIENTATION.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE THE DECK OF THE RESTAURANT COMING OUT TO THE 30 BY 30 OBSERVATION DECK.
AND THEN AS YOU'RE LOOKING OUT ON THE WATER WOULD BE TAKING A LEFT TO THE FISH CLEANING STATION AND JUST SOME SCHEMATICS AS TO THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF IT.
AND THIS WOULD BE THE OBSERVATION DECK WITH A ROOF ON IT.
UM, ALSO HAVE HISTORICAL, THIS IS BACK IN 2002.
UM, HERE'S THE DECK HERE WHERE THE DECK WILL WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE.
AND THIS IS THE PIER COMPLEX THAT THE FLOATING PIERS ORIGINALLY CONNECTED TO.
AND THIS IS, THESE ARE THE FLOATING PIERS.
THIS IS FROM 2007 AND THEY EXISTED THERE FOR 2009, 1317.
AND THEN IN 2021, UH, IT'S BACK TO, UH, THE ORIGINAL, I BELIEVE YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE A LOT OF 'EM RIGHT HERE SITTING ON LAND.
AND HERE ARE PICTURES AS YOU'RE LOOKING OUT ONTO ASITE CHANNEL, UH, FROM THE PEARL RESTAURANT.
I BELIEVE THIS WAS FROM THE SIDE DECK.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING PIERS FOR THE FLOATING DOCK IN THE WATER.
AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE RAILING OF THAT SIDE DECK.
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LOOKING OUT, FACING SOUTHWEST LOOK OR, OR SOUTHEAST LOOKING AT THE ASITE CHANNEL.AND FINALLY, I'LL JUST RETURN TO THE ORIGINAL SCHEMATIC OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. WATSON REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE? UH, I THINK THIS FOR IS PROBABLY FOR YOUNG MR. BRITTON, BUT, UH, IF THE FINGERS AND DOCKING AREAS FOR TRADE ONLY, I'VE BEEN WONDERING, SCRATCHING MY BALL HEAD, WONDERING, UH, WHAT A FISH CLEANING STATION'S GOT TO DO WITH THE TRADE COMING INTO PEARL RESTAURANT.
I BELIEVE MR. WELL I CAN'T, IT'S HARD TO ME TO REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT I THINK THERE MAY BE A PROPOSAL THAT SOMEBODY COULD CATCH THEIR FISH, CLEAN 'EM AND COME IN AND HAVE 'EM COOK THERE.
BUT, UH, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WATSON? I WOULD HAVE SOMETHING MAYBE LATER.
UH, REPRESENTING THE LJ GROUP IS MR. LUKE BRITTON.
SIR, WOULD YOU APPROACH, ALLOW ME TO SWEAR YOU IN MM-HMM
YOU, YOU AFFIRM OR SWEAR YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN ALL MATTERS BEFORE THIS BOARD.
UH, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UM, CONTINUE ON? UM, WELL, LEAVING WHERE WE JUST LEFT OFF WITH THE FISHING, UH, THE FISH CLEANING AREA, I'M GONNA DO EVENTS LIKE HAVE FISH FISHING TOURNAMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE FISHING.
SO THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT THAT THERE.
THAT'S AUTHORIZED BY THE PEARL RESTAURANT, IS THAT, YEAH.
SO I'LL DO THINGS LIKE THAT TO BRING PEOPLE IN TO THE PEARL TO, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GO HAVE A TOURNAMENT AND THEY'LL CLEAN THEIR FISH AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN COME SOCIALIZE IN THE RESTAURANT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHERE MY APPROACH WAS WITH THAT.
UH, AND BACKING UP, UH, WOULD YOU TAKE US THROUGH IT ONE MORE TIME? UH, SURE.
UM, SO AGAIN, AT THE PATIO AREA, THE BOTTOM RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
UM, YOU'VE GOT A FIVE BY 42 WALKWAY RIGHT HERE.
THE OBSERVATION DECK IS SOMETHING, AND I MEAN IT'S OBVIOUSLY, I'M SURE ANYBODY KNOWS AZTEC CHANNEL.
IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST BEAUTIFUL VIEW ON CHIN DIG.
YOU CAN SEE THE LIGHTHOUSE, YOU CAN SEE THE HORSES, YOU CAN SEE THE PONIES SWIM WHEN THAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, IT'S, SO I'M TRYING TO CATER TO MY CUSTOMERS TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M BUILDING THE, OR PROPOSING TO BUILD THE, UH, 30 BY 30 OBSERVATION DECK.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN THE FISH CLEANING AREA, LIKE I SAID.
AND I ALSO JUST WANT TO, UH, BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AN AREA FOR PEOPLE TO DOCK THEIR BOATS TO COME ENJOY A GOOD DINNER, YOU KNOW, ENJOY SOME DRINKS AND AGAIN, UH, HAVE TOURNAMENT FISHING TOURNAMENTS AND TRY TO DO OTHER EVENTS THAT CAN LIKE THAT THAT CAN, UH, GENERATE SOME PEOPLE TO COME IN.
THAT'S BASICALLY THE MAIN REASON WHY I'M TRYING TO DO IT.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BRITTON REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? WELL, I GUESS THE ONE CONCERN I HAVE, 'CAUSE TIM GICK IS REGARDS TO THE PIER GOING OUT TO THE PLATFORM.
OF COURSE IT'S GOING ACROSS VEGETATED WETLANDS THERE.
SO I GUESS WE HAVE A RULE OF THUMB WITH THE, WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THAT? IT'S FIVE FOOT WIDE OPEN PILE DESIGN, 10 FOOT ON CENTER PILINGS.
AND THEN RULE, SO STANDARD PROCEDURE, STANDARD BUILD IS WHATEVER WOULD YEAH, WE USUALLY HAVE THE RULE OF THUMB THAT IF IT'S FIVE FEET WIDE IT'S FIVE OR FOUR.
SO I, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GO ABOVE THAT.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET THIS UP AS HIGH AS I CAN WITHOUT BEING IN SOMEBODY'S VIEW OR ANYTHING.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE MORE LIKE PROB, I'M GONNA RAMP RIGHT UP RIGHT HERE TO PROBABLY FIVE FOOT ABOVE THE MARSH.
SO IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, UH, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, I WON'T GO ANY MORE THAN THAT.
WE WOULD BE MORE THAN THE FOUR FOOT.
AND YOU USE THE STANDARD, HAVE A HALF INCH SPACING BETWEEN THE BOARDS JUST YEAH.
QUARTER INCH VEGETATIVE WETLANDS.
ANYONE ELSE, SIR? ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR JOB PERMIT? I THINK IT'S, LOOKS SO EXPLANATORY, BUT ONCE YOU GET TO YOUR LARGER TWO PLATFORMS AND, UH, THEY'RE ONLY ACROSS VEG, NON VEGETATED WETLANDS.
SO THIS AREA, IT'S, UH, THE TIDE IS, IT FLUCTUATES A LOT HERE.
SO I MEAN, AND I SPOKE WITH THEM AND THEY REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SHOWED YOU WHERE THE MEAN LOW WATER WAS.
BUT I WOULD SAY IT DOESN'T GO DRY AS MUCH AS IT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA HAVE A REALLY MEAN LOW TIDE.
SO YOU GOT SOME SUB AQUEOUS AND NON VEGETATED, BUT IT'S, IT
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IS NO VEGETATION UNDER IT.SO THAT YOU GUYS, HOW DO YOU WANT TO GAUGE TIDE THERE? YOU KNOW, IT'S ON A MEAN LOW WATER.
IT GOES DRY PROBABLY ON A, YOU KNOW, ON A GOOD BLOWOUT TIDE.
I MEAN, I'VE SEEN IT ALL THE WAY OUT HERE ALMOST MM-HMM
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M BACK HERE IS WHERE I TYPICALLY THOUGHT IT WAS, BUT THEN THEY WANTED ME TO MOVE IT.
YOU SEE, HERE'S THE MEAN LOW WATER LINE HERE NOW.
I THINK WE BROUGHT IT 47 FOOT FROM THE BANK.
SO THERE'S YOUR MEAN LOW WATER COMING THROUGH THERE, RIGHT THERE.
SO THIS WOULD BE YOUR DRY AREA AND THEN THIS IS YOUR VEGETATED.
ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, PO PONY PIN.
LIKE I SAY, BEFORE YOU HAD, THIS WAS MASSIVELY POPULAR, YOUR LOCATION THAT MM-HMM
I DIDN'T GET TO GO, I HEARD ON THE RADIO, BUT I THINK IT WAS MASSIVELY SUCCESSFUL.
AND NATIONALLY, YEAH, THIS WOULD BE A DEFINITELY, SO THIS YEAR, YEAH, I DID THE, UH, THE, I SOLD TICKETS ONLINE FOR THE TONY SWIM AND THEY SOLD OUT VERY FAST.
UH, AND IT WAS A HUGE SUCCESS.
I DID THE PO I HAD A ALL THE BREAKFAST BUFFET AND IT WAS A LOT OF OLDER PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T WANT TO TRACK OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY WANTED TO ENJOY IT.
SO IF YOU HAD THAT, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN COME OUT THERE AND ONLY WANT A NICE, SAFE AREA TO, TO VIEW IT.
BUT THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO GET ALL UP IN THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE.
SO REALLY THE ONLY THING WE'RE LOSING HERE IS WHERE THE PILINGS GO INTO THE NON VEGETATED WETLANDS AS FAR AS IT'S NOT A NET LOSS IS WHERE I'M GOING FOR THIS.
THAT'S CONCERNED TO US AS IT, YEAH.
I I, I NEED TO BE EDUCATED ON THIS.
'CAUSE THIS, YOU KNOW, SOME TIME AGO WE DECIDED WE WANT TO MITIGATE NON VEGETATED WETLANDS.
SO AS FAR AS MY REM MY MEMORY SERVES ME, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE A STRUCTURE THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY OVER NON VEGETATIVE WETLANDS.
AND I JUST WANNA BE CONSISTENT DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS CONCEPT THAT WE HAVE THIS LARGE PLATFORM THAT'S, UH, IN BETWEEN MEAN LOW WATER, MEAN HIGH WATER THAT'S OVER NON VEGETATED WETLANDS.
AND THERE'S NO NEED FOR ANY SORT OF MITIGATION THERE IN REGARDS TO THIS AND FUTURE TYPE OF BUILDINGS LIKE THIS.
IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL A WETLAND.
SO HOW DO WE, I, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE EDUCATED, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST WAY TO AND, AND IN THE RIVER ON THAT.
YOU'RE SAYING IT'S LOW, YOU GO BELOW, IT'S STILL IN THE LOW WATER AREA.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S NOT IN THE LOW.
MY QUESTION IS THE FOOT AND A HALF, TWO FEET, UH, IN THAT AREA.
UH, MR. WATSON, FROM WHERE YOU'RE SITTING, PLEASE DON'T GET UP.
CAN YOU EDUCATE US ABOUT THAT? I'M SORRY, THE, YOU SAID FOOT AND A HALF? UH, YES, SIR.
WHAT OUR QUESTION IS, UH, WE HAVE TYPICALLY TALKED ABOUT, UH, NON VEG AND SUB VACUOUS, UM, IN THE SAME BREATH AS VEGETATED WETLANDS, UM, AS FAR AS MITIGATION'S CONCERNED.
SO, UM, I GUESS I'LL START WITH, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE PEERS ARE EXEMPT CORRECT.
FROM REVIEW AND OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY MITIGATION.
UM, THIS IS NOT EXEMPT FROM REVIEW AND IT IS OVER, UH, BOTH VEGETATED AND NON VEGETATED WETLANDS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, THAT, UH, THE PILINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY SMALL SURFACE AREA AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, UH, THE VEGETATED AND NON VEGETATED WETLANDS SUCH THAT, OR SO THAT IT'S WITHIN THE BOARD'S DISCRETION AS TO WHETHER IT, UM, NEEDS OR WANTS TO, UH, ORDER MITIGATION, UH, SINCE PRIVATE PEERS, UM, ARE EXEMPT.
UM, WELL, SECOND, FIRST OF ALL, IT, IT IS NOT PRIVATE.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT.
AND IS IT, UH, WILL IT BE PARTIALLY IN OUR JURISDICTION AND THE REST WILL BE THIS YOUNG LADIES? UM, UM, SO I WOULD SAY AS FAR AS THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, UH, UH, MS. GORMAN AND I MEASURED PRIMARILY MS. GORMAN MEASURED, UH, THE, UH, LIMIT OF THE WETLANDS AND THE, UH, 47 FOOT NOTATION ON THIS PLAN IS, UH, CORRECT OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS CORRECT.
AND IF YOU CAN, AND THAT WOULD BE FROM THE EDGE OF THE PATIO? YES, SIR.
UM, THE WALKWAY IS I THINK 42 MM-HMM
UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I DID NOT MR. BRITTON DREW THE LINE.
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OR MINUS A LITTLE BIT, BUT I MEAN IT'S GIVE CAN GIVE YOU GUYS AN IDEA.I MEAN, IT'S ROUGHLY HALF MIDWAY OF THAT PLATFORM IS WHERE YOUR MEAN LOW.
SO THAT WOULD BE YOUR JURISDICTION SPLIT RIGHT THERE.
I, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, WHICH ISN'T, IS THAT IN FACT SIR, ROUGHLY 50, A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 50 FEET.
YEAH, 47 FOOT IS, LIKE I SAID, SO YOU'VE GOT 42 FOOT, UH, TO THE BACK OF IT.
SO THEN YOU COULD GO FIVE FOOT.
SO REALLY, I'M PROBABLY A LITTLE, YOUR, YOUR JURISDICTION PROBABLY STOPS, LIKE RIGHT AROUND HERE.
I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT OFF ON MY LINE.
YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT STOP RIGHT WHERE THE, UH, THE CONNECTION TO THE OTHER PLATFORM IS ON THE CHANNEL WARD SIDE OF IT.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU YOUR 47 FOOT.
I SHOULD HAVE TRIED A LITTLE HARDER THAN ON MATH THERE.
SO THE MAJORITY OF THIS PROJECT NOW IS GONNA BE IN THE VM C'S JURISDICTION IN THE CORES IT SEEMS LIKE AFTER THAT PART.
SO WE'RE DEALING WITH MOSTLY, UH, OPEN PILE STRUCTURE THAT IS, UH, IT'S NOT A FILL OF WETLANDS.
SO IT'S JUST A, IT'S NOT EVEN A CHANGE OF USE REALLY FOR THE BOTTOM.
YEAH, THAT IS, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
NO, THE ONLY THINGS THAT KIND OF CONCERNS ME, ARE WE OPENING UP A PANDORA'S BOX WITH WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? NOT HERE, BUT IN ANOTHER CASE THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR.
THEY BUILD A PLATFORM OUT THERE AND THEN THEY BUILD A HOUSE, A STRUCTURE OUT THERE FOR LIVING PURPOSES OR WHATEVER ELSE.
COMMERCIAL OR JUST EVEN I WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE IN THE NON VEGETATED AREA.
UH, I WOULD SAY, UH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, DEFINITELY NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT SOMEONE'S BUILT A PLATFORM OUT FOR A RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF UP TO, IF SOMEONE'S GONNA BREAK THE LAW, I CAN'T HELP THAT, YOU KNOW? WELL, IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE BREAKING THE LAW.
THEY WOULD BE SUBMITTING A PERMIT TO DO IT AND THEN WE WOULD BE FACED WITH THAT SITUATION.
I, UH, I, I, I SEE WHERE THAT CAN POSSIBLY HAVE A CONNECTION.
UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. BRITTON, DON'T LEAVE US, UH, SIT DOWN PLEASE.
UH, MS. GORMAN, WOULD YOU APPROACH, ALLOW ME TO SWEAR YOU IN, UH, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? CLAIRE GORMAN OF THE MRC.
DO YOU AFFIRM OR SWEAR YOU TELL THE TRUTH, WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN ALL MATTER BEFORE THIS BOARD? I DO.
WOULD YOU, UM, TELL US YOU WERE AT THERE AND MEASURING AND SO FORTH FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, UH, WHAT ARE WE FACING HERE? UM, SO THERE WERE SOME DISCREPANCIES WITH WHAT WE, WHERE WE THOUGHT MEAN LOW WATER WAS AND WHERE IT'S DRAWN ON THE PLANS.
AND I THINK THERE ARE STILL SOME DISCREPANCIES, THE MEAN LOW WATERMARK WHEN WE WENT OUT THERE, IT DIDN'T SEEM TO GO OUT THAT FAR.
UM, THE MAJORITY OF THIS AREA I THOUGHT WAS WHEN I WAS OUT THERE WAS VEGETATED, NOT NON VEGETATED.
SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO REVISIT AS FAR AS HAVING, BEING THE WALMART TIDE IS INTERESTING.
AND, UH, UH, I THINK YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY YOU'RE UP HERE.
UH, TELL ME FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN.
UH, WITH ONE VISIT, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE A COUPLE TIMES.
BUT THERE WAS ONE ZERO LOW TIDE THAT WE WERE OUT ON.
WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, UH, DOING WHAT THIS BOARD IS BROUGHT HERE TO DO AND MAKING SURE WE'RE COVERED WITH WHAT, AS FAR AS MR. BADGER'S CONCERNS, UH, DO WE NEED TO TABLE THIS AND HAVE YOU GO BACK OUT THERE AND, UH, MR. WATSON GO BACK OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE PROPERLY.
AND IF THERE'S MITIGATION, MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS IT.
I CANNOT, YOU KNOW, TELL YOU ALL WHAT YOU YES, MA'AM.
EXCUSE ME FOR SAYING THAT AND I'M ASKING
TRY
UM, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL YOU, AS FAR AS VM C'S REVIEW, WE ARE STILL WORKING SOME THROUGH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUESTS FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND I WILL BE DOING ANOTHER SITE VISIT.
WE WILL BE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO STAKE THE PROPOSAL.
SO WE STILL HAVE SOME WORK TO DO ON OUR END AS FAR AS VMRC ON YOUR END, OUTSIDE OF THIS BOARD'S JURISDICTION.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? YES.
AND YOU'RE, I SUSPECT YOU'RE ALSO WANTED TO STAKE THE, THE ENTIRE PLATFORMS. YES.
THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD FOR IT DEPENDS ON HOW DEEP IT GETS.
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FURTHER OUT.BUT THE CLOSER STUFF, WE'LL LIKELY REQUEST THAT IT, THAT IT STICKS.
WE HAVE A CLEAR IDEA WHERE EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL.
CLAIRE, DID I HEAR CORRECTLY THAT THERE'S A PORTION OF THIS OUTSIDE OF THE LITTLE BIT OF THE, THE WALKWAY GOING TO THE FIRST STRUCTURE, UH, THAT THERE'S MORE VEGETATION THAN JUST WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE THAT MAY BE IMPACTED? SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S MORE VEGETATION BEING IMPACTED.
MY, I THINK THAT THE MEAN LOW WATERMARK MAY BE OUT TOO FAR.
UM, AS FAR AS THE VEGETATION GOES, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SO MUCH AN ISSUE AS IT IS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCALE HERE, THE PEER STEM SAYS 42, BUT THE MEAN LOW WATERMARK IS 47.
SO I, I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SCALE.
THE LOW WARM BAR SHOULD BE ON THAT SIDE OF THE PIER ONE THIS WAY BECAUSE THE LANDLORD SIDE 42 AND THEN FIVE FOOT.
I THINK, YEAH, I THINK IT'S LIKE A SCALE THING, BUT AS FAR AS, I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE ARE MORE VEGETATED WETLAND IMPACTS.
I THINK IT'S THE NON VEG THAT'S POTENTIALLY A QUESTION.
UM, SO WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MY, LIKE CONCERN ABOUT, ARE WE OPENING A PANDORA'S BOX FOR A ANOTHER STRUCTURE THAT MAY BE ENCLOSED? UH, NOT THIS PARTICULAR CASE, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY, UH, THAT WE'RE GIVE, WE WOULD BE ISSUING A PERMIT FOR A STRUCTURE IN THE NON VEGETATED AREA THAT COULD BE LIVED IN OR COULD HAVE A, UH, SOMETHING ELSE, A COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY TO IT.
UM, I MEAN AS PROPOSED, THIS ONE IS NOT MM-HMM
THIS IS PROPOSED TO BE OPEN SIDED.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO, I GUESS IT'S THAT THAT COULD BE OUR OUT IF IT'S OPEN SIDED VERSUS ENCLOSED, THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
AND, AND THAT IS Y'ALL'S, THAT'S PURVIEW.
I WILL SAY AGAIN, I BELIEVE THAT MOST OF THAT STRUCTURE IS OVER MEAN LOW WATER AND AN ENCLOSED STRUCTURE LIKE THAT IS TYPICALLY NOT PERMISSIBLE, ESPECIALLY FOR A COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING TO HEAR, FRANKLY.
SO YOU'RE SAYING ESSENTIALLY THAT THERE MAY BE MORE VEGETATIVE WETLANDS IN THIS AREA? I'M, I'M, I'M, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE MORE VEGETATED WETLANDS.
MY CONCERN IS HOW FAR OUT THE MEAN LOW WATERMARKS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS MIGHT BE THIS WAY, CORRECT.
THAT THAT LODGE COULD BE ON THE RIGHT ONE NEXT, LIKE IF YOU TAKE YOUR PEN UP A LITTLE MORE RIGHT UP RIGHT HERE.
SO DOWN TO THE SIDE OF THE, SO WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE CONCERNED WHAT MR. BAGGER'S TALKING ABOUT, THEN WE GOT THIS LITTLE BIT OF AREA HERE, I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT'S GONNA BE FIVE FEET WIDE.
SO THAT'S NOT, THAT'S GONNA BE LIKE THIS.
AND THEN WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OVER THERE MAYBE IN TERMS OF IF YOU WANT TO GET DOWN NICK PICKY IN TERMS OF BUILDING OVER NON VEGITATIVE WETLANDS AND MITIGATING MM-HMM
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND I AGREE WE NEED TO DO, LOOK AT THIS
AND I DO WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE PROJECTS ARE REVIEWED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
SO AS FAR AS SETTING PRECEDENT, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU LOOK AT THESE AS A, UH, EACH, EACH INDIVIDUAL PERMIT WOULD BE, WOULD BE RULED ON, ON ITS OWN MARRIAGE.
THEY WILL CAN'T TAKE THIS ONE AND MOVE ON.
ALLOW FOR WHAT? YOU, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.
YOU LOUD AND CLEAR MR. BRITTON.
UH, SO THEREFORE MAYBE WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR ONE RIGHT NOW AS WE SIT HERE.
IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, UH, ONE, IF ONE NEXT DOOR OUGHT TO BE ON ITS OWN MERITS, MAYBE YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT AND WE BETTER REVIEW THIS RIGHT NOW AND MAKE SURE WE ARE CORRECT SO WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE NEXT ONE.
UH, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY GOOD POINT FROM AN OLD TIMER ON CHIN TAG.
I THINK YOU MAKE, UH, UH, GOOD SENSE.
WELL, UH, HANK, HANK, YOU GOT MORE, UH, JUST QUICKLY, I'M JUST KIND OF TRYING TO RATIONAL RATIONALIZE, UH, MY, MY THOUGHT HERE.
I THINK, UM, IS WE'RE REALLY ONLY DEALING WITH THE FIVE FOOT WIDE, UH, GOING, GOING OUT TO THE PLATFORM AND ONLY FIVE FOOT OF THAT PLATFORM IS GONNA BE IN OUR JURISDICTION.
AND THEN THE, UH, P GOING TO THE LEFT, WE'RE ONLY DEALING WITH A FIVE FOOT WIDE SECTION TO THIS ENTIRE THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THERE IS.
NO MATTER WHAT IT'S EXACTLY CORRECT.
NOW, UM, MR. TAYLOR, YOU'RE BRINGING YOUR LOW ORDER BACK, WHICH PUTS IT MORE, PUTS IT MORE IN, UH, BM C'S JURISDICTION.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, OKAY, THE ONLY THING, LIKE, IT'S LIKE THING SAYS GO
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OUR REALLY ONLY JURISDICTION, WE ARE THE CLEARING HOUSE FOR BM RC, BUT IT IS, DON'T PUT ON THAT STUFF.ONLY JURISDICTION WE REALLY HAVE IS THAT PILE THAT'S GOING OVER THE MARSH.
AND ONLY TECHNICALLY IF YOU WANNA GET REAL TECHNICAL, YOU HAVE TO CHARGE FOR EACH PILE.
THAT'D BE ONE SQUARE FOOT EACH PILE.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO GET TECHNICAL, COME ON Y'ALL.
WE'VE BEEN THERE MANY, MANY TIMES WITH ONE SQUARE FEET TIMES FOUR.
SO, SO, UH, EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING YOU, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL UP HERE IN AGREEMENT, UH, WITH TWO THINGS.
UH, TAKE IT CASE BY CASE AND THE HANDFUL OF FEET WE'RE DEALING WITH.
UH, BUT PARTICULARLY ALONG THOSE LINES, DO WE NEED TO SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT THAT LITTLE BIT? OR DO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE? WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S NO MONEY CHARGED OVER THE, THE MARKS BECAUSE IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT'S UH, FOUR FOOT TALL, FIVE FOOT WIDE, AND IT'S GONNA BE THAT, IT MIGHT EVEN GO FIVE FOOT WIDE.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY, ANY, ANY CHARGE FOR THAT.
SO THEN, THEN LIKE YOU SAY, THE LOWER WATERMARK COMES BACK CLOSER THIS WAY, WHICH MAKES IT IF, IF WE WERE GONNA CHARGE FOR THE EAST POLE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY TECHNICALITY THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE.
THIS BOARD HAS, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S STILL WETLANDS.
UM, ONE THING, UM, YOUNG MR. BRITTON MM-HMM
YOU SAID 10 FEET, DID YOU NOT GOING OUT, DID YOU? 10 FEET SPACING ON YOUR PILING? YEAH.
IS THAT WHAT YOU TOLD US? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
GOT ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YOU FINISHED? WELL, I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I'M SORT OF TORN HERE A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THAT MEAN LOW WATER LEVEL IS.
AND I, MY MY SORT OF THING IS I LIKE TO GO OUT THERE AND GET THAT MEASURED.
IT'S, IT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, IT'S JUST SCALE RIGHT HERE.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT 42 FOOT, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT CLAIRE AND MR. WATSON ASKED.
UM, SO IT'S MY, IT'S MY FAULT OF WHY YOU'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY UNDERSTANDING, BUT IF YOU LOOK AND YOU'VE GOT 42 FOOT AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A FIVE FOOT DOCK THAT'S YOUR 47 FOOT.
SO WITHOUT QUESTION, 47 FOOT TWO SCALE IS RIGHT HERE.
SO ESSENTIALLY GOING BACK TO WHAT MR. TA JUST SAID, THAT'S GONNA BE FIVE FEET WIDE, IT'S ALREADY GONNA BE HIGH ENOUGH.
OH, IT'S BE, IT'S HIGH ENOUGH.
AND, AND IT'S ON, ON IN THE BOOK WHAT YOU SAID ORIGINALLY ABOUT YOUR HEIGHT VERSUS YOUR WIDTH.
THAT'S, UH, IF YOU ABUSE THAT, YOU'RE IN TROUBLE.
BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT EVEN GOING HIGHER.
SOUNDS TO ME LIKE, ALRIGHT, HOLD, HOLD ON ONE SECOND HERE.
UH, MR. WARD, YOU GOT ANYTHING TO SAY AT THIS VERY MOMENT? NO, OTHER THAN I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE'S ANY PROBLEMS. ALRIGHT.
WHAT ARE Y'ALL TALKING ABOUT, DENNIS? HE'S JUST TALKING THAT LINE.
I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.
I THINK WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE WE'RE BEATING THIS THING TO DEATH.
UH, SO, UM, WANTED TO MAKE SURE, FIRST OF ALL, UH, YOUR HEIGHT IS, IS WHAT YOU SAID THAT LINES WHAT YOU SAID WE'RE GOING WITH IT.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST, I JUST GOT ONE.
UH, AND THIS IS JUST ME BEING A LITTLE BIT WAY OUT THERE REALLY.
IT'S, IT'S A 30 BY 30 FOOT DECK.
AND I GUESS, DO THEY MAKE ANY LIKE SAFETY, UH, PROVISIONS FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE OR HOW MUCH WEIGHT THAT YOU HEAR THESE? THAT'S HIS, THAT'S FOR HIS INSURANCE COMPANY.
WHY YOU GOTTA BE LIKE THAT? IT'S AN ENGINEERED DOCK AND YOU ALL HAVE THE SPECS ON IT.
WITH THE WEIGHT PASS, IT'S ALL DOESN'T MATTER 'CAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO JAIL, NOT US, RIGHT? FOR, FOR WEIGHT.
I, I I I KNOW IT'S NOT OUR JURISDICTION, BUT IT'S A QUESTION I JUST, OKAY.
UM, HOW MANY LINS ARE GOING TO BE PLACED WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION RIGHT NOW FOR ME COUNTING, LIKE, SAY 1 63, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13.
27 IN YOUR JURISDICTION, THAT 12 INCH BALLS, I THINK 10 INCH.
SO IF YOU ALL WANT TO BEAT IT TO DEATH, YOU GOT 27.
WE'LL DO THE MATH ON A 10 FOOT PILE.
SO DO SERIOUSLY, OH, I'M NOT BREASTLESS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T DO IT? UH, RESIDENTIALLY, UH, BMRC IS GONNA CORRECT US ANYWAY.
I UH, IF WE DO SOMETHING, I THINK, I THINK WE
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HAVE DONE IT ON RESIDENT, ON OCCASION ON RESIDENTIAL.MAY I INTERJECT ONE THING? UH, WE'RE ALL FOR BUSINESS IN THIS COUNTY, IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
UH, WE'RE JUST THE FIRST STEP.
THEY DO, BUT WE'RE ALL FOR IT.
UH, WHERE YOU HAVE LOCATED IT, IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT SPOT, UH, IF YOU LIKE TO GO THERE AND, AND IT KEEPS THE OLD FOLKS FROM BEING IN A MARSH WITH GREENHEAD THAT TAKE YOU AWAY.
UH, SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, UH, BAYSIDE RC SIDE.
SO LAST TIME, ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR MR. BRITTON JR.
ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR THING? AND ARE WE GONNA BEAT THIS? UH, UH, X NUMBER OF PILES, 10 INCH DIAMETER PILES TO DEATH WITH MITIGATION.
AND UH, AND YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YES.
UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT MR. FREEZE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR JPA EXACTLY.
WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? GOOD MORNING.
UM, DO YOU FIRMLY SWEAR YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN ALL MATTERS BEFORE THIS BOARD? YES SIR.
TELL US, FIRST OF ALL, UH, WHAT'S YOUR SITUATION HERE? NEIGHBOR, COMPETITOR.
UH, OWN PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AS SHOWN ON THIS ILLUSTRATION AND PART OWNER ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
UM, IF YOU WANT THE POINTER OR WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT UH, GO AHEAD.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING I'M HERE TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THIS APPLICATION.
YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS YOU KNOW, IT'S BUILT ACCORDING TO WHAT'S SHOWN HERE WITHIN THE LAW, I'M ALL FOR IT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN? PROPERTY OWNER? HE'S IN AGREEMENT.
YOU GOT SOME QUESTIONS? THAT'S ALL I GOT.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA SAY? NO SIR.
APPRECIATE YOU DRIVING DOWN HERE.
UH, ANYONE ELSE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? NOT, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE FLOOR, OPEN IT TO PUBLIC COMMENT, CLOSE THE FLOOR.
I'D LIKE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD PLEASE FOR DISCUSSION OF THE BOARD, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR THING.
ANYTHING ANYONE HASN'T BEAT TO DEATH ALREADY? UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I THINK I, THE PROJECT AS GOOD AS, AS IT STANDS, BUT I MAYBE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MODIFIED DRAWING SHOWING CLEARLY THE MEAN LOW WATER LINE.
WE CAN GET THAT DONE, I'LL GUARANTEE YOU IN 15 MINUTES.
YOU AGREE WITH THAT SIR? YES, SIR.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GET A NEW DRAWING WITH THE LINE PROPERLY DRAWN.
UH, BASED ON THAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND THE NEIGHBOR, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, FRANKLY.
UH, ANYBODY HERE GOT ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY THEN I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR A MOTION, SIR.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL, I'LL, UH, MAKE A MOTION.
WE APPROVE JPA 2025 DASH 1 0 0 5 5 AS PRESENTED WITH A MARKED MODIFIED DRAWING SHOWING THE, UH, ME MEMO LOOK CLOSER TO, TO THE WARD.
YOU GOT TWO YEARS SIR? UM, ONE THING, IT'S A PASSED.
UM, I SAW SOME, UH, LOOK LIKE FINGERS UP ON THE LAND SOMEWHERE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE OLD FINGERS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING BACK OR THIS IS ALL BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION? THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT NOW IT'S ALL THANK YOU.
UM, SO AS PART OF THAT APPROVAL, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT THE NEW DRAWING BE SUBMITTED? UM, IT WAS MODIFIED DRAWING, SHOWING THE MEAN THE WORLD CLOSER WARD WAS PART SUBMITTED.
OKAY, RYAN, THAT'S, THAT'S EASY.
YOU GOT THAT COVERED? YES SIR.
EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, SO I AM TOLD WE HAVE UH, NOTHING FOR NEXT MONTH.
SO, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY OCTOBER 23RD.
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SAY THAT 'CAUSE SOMETHING CAN CHANGE, BUT RIGHT NOW, OCTOBER 23RD, 10 O'CLOCK RIGHT HERE.ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I WOULD LIKE TO REPORT THE SITUATION IN AN
CAN, THIS IS, UH, MEADVILLE DRIVE AT THE END.
UM, WE HAD SOME PICTURES BEFORE IN C**K, UH, WITH SOME RIP WRAP PLACED, UH, INCORRECTLY AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE RESOLVED IT PLEASE, MR. WATSON.
UM, IT WAS QUITE A COMPLICATED SITUATION.
THE LAND, UH, THE OWNERS HAD RECENTLY PURCHASED THE HOUSE THERE FROM, UH, NEW YORK, UH, STATE AND, UH, THEY HAD CONSULTED WITH THE COUNTY.
UM, WE HAD GONE OUT THERE MAYBE LAST FALL AND MARKED, UH, 1.5 MEAN HIGH WHERE THEY HAD TO STAY OUT OF AND THEN THEY CONSULTED WITH THE TOWN AND GOT SOME, WELL, I JUST HAVE TO SAY INCORRECT INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THEY COULD DO IN THE BUFFER.
AND THEY ENGAGED A LICENSED CONTRACTOR AND THAT CONTRACTOR CAME AND AFTER THE CONTRACTOR SPOKE WITH THE TOWN, THEY TOOK THEIR HEAVY EQUIPMENT INTO THE MARSH AND SCRAPED THE ENTIRE BANK OFF ALL THE VEGETATION OFF THE BANK AND STARTED, UM, DUMPING, RIP WRAP DOWN THE BANK.
UM, NOT PIECE BY PIECE BUT MULTIPLE PIECES SUCH THAT IT WENT INTO THE WETLANDS.
UM, WE GOT NOTICE AND WENT OUT VERY QUICKLY.
UH, THERE WAS A, WELL ACTUALLY PROBABLY SEVERAL VI VIGILANT NEIGHBORS WHO STARTED CALLING SAYING THIS IS THE CRAZIEST THING THEY'D EVER SEEN.
AND WHEN WE SHOWED UP, WE, UH, AND WHEN I SAY WE, IT JUST SO HAPPENED TO BE A DAY WHEN, UH, MS. GORMAN WAS OVER HERE.
UM, I THINK SHE'S THE ONE WHO GOT THE FIRST CALL OR AT LEAST THE GOT CALLED BEFORE I DID.
UM, SO WE WERE THERE WITHIN I THINK A FEW HOURS AND THE AFFECTED AREA OF WETLANDS WAS RELATIVELY MINOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE ROCK GOES, PROBABLY LESS THAN 10, 12 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THE MACHINERY WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE WETLANDS AND, UM, AFTER SEVERAL, SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE TOWN AND THE LANDOWNERS FINALLY GOT THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RULES ARE, THEY WERE UM, VERY UPSET WITH WHAT HAD OCCURRED.
THEY HAD MADE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO INVOLVE THE LOCAL, UM, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT ENTITIES TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE DOING THIS PROPERLY.
UM, THEY WERE DOING IT A ABSOLUTELY IMPROPERLY, BUT AFTER ABOUT TWO WEEKS THEY ENGAGED, UM, ELLEN GRIMES, WHO IS REWORKING THEIR PLAN TO DO A LIVING SHORELINE TO REPURPOSE THE ROCK INTO A REVETMENT AND PLANT GRASSES BEHIND IT.
THEY'VE GOTTEN, UM, THE ROCK OUT OF THE WETLANDS, THAT SMALL PORTION, AND I'M EXPECTING A JPA THAT WILL, UM, OBVIOUSLY ENCOMPASS HER ENTIRE NEW PROJECT THERE AS WELL AS A RESTORATION OF THE WETLANDS AND CONSIDERING THEIR GOOD FAITH ATTEMPTS TO TRY TO GET THIS RIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE, RELYING ON SOME BAD ADVICE FROM, UH, MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
UM, I AM AWAITING THE JPA WITH THE RESTORATION PLAN TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD.
FIRST OF ALL, THE BAD ADVICE CAME FROM PEOPLE AT THE TOWN OFFICE THAT DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UH, SO I'M WELL AWARE OF THAT AND I FEEL HER PAIN.
UM, SECONDLY, UH, I DON'T THINK IT TAKES, YOU SAID UPSTATE NEW YORK, NEVERMIND.
UM, THEY, THEY HAVE REMOVED IT AND THEY'RE WAITING TO, UH, REPURPOSE IT.
SO I THINK IT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH.
UH, AND AS FAR AS WE ARE CONCERNED AFTER, UH, ELLEN, THERE'LL BE A JPA YOU SAID AT SOME POINT IN TIME? YES, UH, YES.
UM, I'M EXPECTING IT WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND, AND UH, MS. GRIMES HAS TOLD ME THAT IT'S THAT PART, THAT PART OF THAT IS GONNA BE A, A RESTORATION PLAN FOR THE EFFECT.
WELL, MARSH, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE IS LIVING, YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE IT'S FOR A GOOD THING AND LORD KNOWS THAT ELLEN KNOWS WHAT SHE'S DOING TO THE LETTER.
UM, I I WOULD SAY THE, THE OWNERS HAVE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE AND, UM, THEY, UH, UH, VERY, I GUESS EMBARRASSED BY THIS WHOLE INCIDENT AND, UH, JUST, UH, WELL IT WASN'T TOTALLY THEIR FAULT AND, AND I REALLY FEEL FOR HIM AND YES, AND UM,
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UH, CAPTAIN PRUITT WOULD BE, UH, HAPPY WITH WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD.HE'S BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME, BUT HE'S LOOKING AT IT.
OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS? LIVING SHORELINE.
THERE'S MORE APPROPRIATE ANYWAY.
UH, IT'S THE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACE THAT I CAN THINK OF EXCEPT THE ONE WE HAD AROUND WHAT THEY CALLED PARKER'S CREEK THAT'S GOING AROUND EAST POINT.
UH, THAT WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE AND THIS IS MY 70 SOME YEARS.
THIS IS THE SECOND BEST PLACE IN MY OPINION FOR LIVING.
ALRIGHT, UH, ONCE AGAIN, AS IT STANDS AT THIS MOMENT, THERE'S NO MEETING, THERE'S NO TIME TO GET A JP AREA IN.
SO IT, I GUESS WE'RE RESOLVED.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT OCTOBER 23RD.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THIS BOARD? ANY LAST, UH, BRIEFLY, UH, MR. CHAIR, UM, UP IN CAPTAIN'S COVE, THEY JUST RECENTLY DID AN INSPECTION OF THE BULKHEADS AND THE CAN CANALS AND THEY FOUND THAT SOME OF THEM WERE HAVING LEAKAGE OF DIRT AND SAND INTO THE CANALS.
SO, UH, APPROPRIATE LETTERS WERE SENT OUT TO GET THE VARIOUS LOT OWNERS TO REPAIRS, SAID BULKHEADS.
SO I JUST WANNA BRING IT TO THE BOARD AND MR. WATSON'S ATTENTION THAT MAYBE SOME PHONE CALLS BE COMING IN ASKING ABOUT THIS AND WHAT TO BE DONE.
UH, THERE WILL BE A MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 2ND.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LETTERS WERE SENT OUT.
I THINK MAYBE ABOUT 10 OR 15, BUT I'M ONLY GUESSING.
SO THERE MAY BE SOME NEED TO REPAIR SOME BULKHEADS IN THE FUTURE IN CAPTAINS COVE.
AND GREG, NORMALLY, UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE DON'T USUALLY GET INVOLVED IN REPAIR A BULKHEADS ON CANALS.
BUT IN CASE THERE'S SOMETHING INVOLVED IN IMPACTS VEGETATED OR NON VEGETATED WETLANDS, THEN WE WOULD GET INVOLVED.
I JUST WANNA BRING THAT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD AND MR. WATSON.
AND, UH, AND, AND IF YOU MIGHT ENLIGHTEN US, UH, I KNOW WHAT REPAIR MEANS ANYWHERE ELSE VERSUS BRAND NEW, UH, MR. JUNIOR BRIT HAS, UH, TOLD US MANY TIMES COULD HAVE BEEN A REPAIR, BUT IT TOOK SO LONG THAT NOW IT'S GONE.
SO, UH, WHO MAKES THAT DECISION? AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
WHAT THE WAY THEY, THEY, UH, DESIGNATED THAT THE BULKHEADS NEED REPAIR.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT PILES OF DIRT AND SAND THAT HAVE ACCUMULATED AROUND SOME SEVERAL CRACKS.
SO THAT'S HOW THEY'RE DOING IT.
SO IT, WHEN WE SAY REPAIR, IT COULD BE JUST A MINOR REPAIR OF, OF REUP SUPPORTING THE BULKHEAD OR DOING A COMPLETE NEW BULKHEAD THAT MIGHT BE TWO FOOT CHANNEL WORD ON THE CANALS.
SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW BAD SITUATION WE SHALL FIND OUT, WON'T WE? BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION AND WE AT LEAST KNOW IT'S COMING TO US.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ICK? UH, ANYONE ELSE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT? ONE THING THEY NEED TO DO WHEN THEY'RE DOING THIS, I'M INVOLVED IN ONE RIGHT NOW.
OR NEVER START CAPTAIN'S COVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UH, THEY GOT A NEW MAN OVER MR. DAN.
BUT THAT, THAT ONE GUY TALKS 'EM ALL.
ANY ANY LAST COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, THEN WE ARE ADJOURNED.