* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OF THE AKIMA COUNTY [00:00:01] PLANNING COMMISSION, THE WATER, WE HAVE A QUORUM [Planning Commission Work Session on September 23, 2025.] WITH MR. GALE, MR. WHITE, AND MR. ROGERS ABSENT. UM, I GUESS I WANNA CLARIFY MY EMAIL EARLIER. I, UH, I SAID NO, UH, QUESTIONS, BUT I CONTACTED THE LAWYER AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND SHE SAID IT WAS UP TO THE CHAIR. SO WE'RE GONNA ALLOW PARTICIPATION AND QUESTIONS. AWESOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH, SORRY FOR THE MISCOMMUNICATION. I'M STILL LEARNING, SO IT'S ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. AND STAFF DID THE SAME THING TOO. WE, WE ASKED JAN AS WELL, SO I'M GLAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO COME TO, UH, THAT CONCLUSION. YES. SO ANYWAY, UM, WE DIDN'T GET ANY REQUESTS FOR REMOTE, ACTUALLY. YOU HAD INDICATED THAT YOU MIGHT NOT, UH, BE ABLE TO MAKE IT, BUT HERE YOU ARE. SO WE, WE SHINE A ROCKET AND WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. VERY GOOD. YES. SO, UM, LEE, PAM, BUT DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR AGREEING TO HAVE THIS WORK SESSION. THE, UM, THE TWO REZONINGS FOR VIRGINIA SPACE ARE LIKE NO OTHER REZONINGS THAT, UH, HAVE COME THROUGH BEFORE. UM, NUMBER ONE, SIZE, NUMBER TWO, THE USE, AND NUMBER THREE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE POTENTIAL IMPACT IT WILL HAVE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST FOR LAND USE, BUT ALSO FOR THE ECONOMY. WE'VE GOT, UM, WE'VE GOT TWO, UM, WELL, THIS IS A SLIDE FROM, UH, FROM YOUR, UH, FROM YOUR MEETING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ON THE 10TH. UH, AS YOU RECALL, THE STAFF HAD REQUESTED TO ADVERTISE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND TO REQUEST THIS WORK SESSION THAT WE'RE AT TONIGHT. THE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE, UM, ARE BOUNDED BY THIS, UH, BOX DOWN HERE, THE EAGLE SOUND. UH, THIS SHOULD SAY 2232, REVIEWED, NOT 23, 22, 22 32 COMP PLAN REVIEW FOR TWO STREETS IN, UH, EAGLE SOUND. UH, WE HAD INDICATED THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THIS, UH, UM, WORK SESSION, BUT WE'RE REALLY JUST GONNA COVER THE TWO REZONINGS TONIGHT. THE OTHER TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE FOR, UM, FOR THE DARBY FARM 369 ACRES, AS OPPOSED TO THE 167 THAT I HAD, UH, THAT I HAD INFORMED YOU OF TWO WEEKS AGO. AND OF COURSE, THE, UM, THE, UH, FORMER SEAFOOD PLAN ON ROUTE 13. A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT PROFFERS. UH, THEY ARE VOLUNTARY. WE CANNOT EXTRACT PROFFERS. WE CAN'T MAKE SOMEBODY PROFFER SOMETHING. PROFFERS ARE GENERALLY, UM, ARE, ARE, ARE GENERALLY THERE TO BASICALLY SWEETEN THE APPLICATION TO ADDRESS CERTAIN CONCERNS. BUT, UM, THEY, THEY ARE BINDING. SO THEY ESSENTIALLY BECOME PART OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND PART OF THE ZONING MAP. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AMENDMENTS TONIGHT, BUT, UH, AS WE HAD JUST RECENTLY DONE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR DALE RBA DOWN OFF OF, UH, COUNTY LINE ROAD AMENDMENTS TO A REZONE OR AMENDMENTS TO PROFFERS HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS AS THE REZONING ITSELF. SO IT'S STILL A TWO PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. AND THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. WE FEEL LIKE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING BEST PRACTICE BY HAVING THIS WORK SESSION TONIGHT, GIVEN THE MAGNITUDE OF THE REZONINGS. AND, UM, AND, UH, WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL ASK MYSELF QUESTIONS, THE STAFF. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE MR. JOHN CUSAS HERE WHO IS REPRESENTING VIRGINIA SPACE, AND HE CAN ANSWER, UH, HE CAN TRY TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AS WELL. OKAY, SO THE STATUS OF THE REVIEWS FOR BOTH OF THESE. WE HAD SENT OUT AN EMAIL, UH, LAST WEEK TO GET, UH, TO GET SOME INITIAL COMMENTS FROM THESE AGENCIES HERE. THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT VDOT, THE, UM, THE, UH, ELECTRIC UTILITY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING INSPECTIONS FOR ADVISORY COMMENTS ONLY, AND ENVIRONMENTAL STARTING FROM THE TOP. THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT INDICATES THEY HAVE NO REGULATORY AUTHORITY OVER REZONINGS, BUT IT'S STILL GOOD PRACTICE TO GET THEIR COMMENTS EARLY ON SO THAT THE APPLICANTS CAN, CAN ANTICIPATE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, CHANGES ESPECIALLY FURTHER DOWNSTREAM. WHEN IT COMES TO SITE PLAN, AGAIN, WE'RE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE, UH, OR THESE SITES, UH, BECAUSE, UH, NUMBER ONE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WANT TO GO FROM AGRICULTURAL TO INDUSTRIAL TO ACCOMMODATE AEROSPACE AND DEFENSE, UH, UH, COMPANIES. BUT, UH, AS THEY, AS THEY PROGRESS, THEY'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT SITE PLANS. AND THOSE SITE PLANS WILL, WILL, UH, WILL HAVE MUCH MORE DETAIL THAN, THAN SAY, A REZONING OR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. UH, VDOT HAD ACTUALLY COMMENTED, UM, UH, [00:05:02] DIRECTLY TO VIRGINIA SPACE. SO, UH, VDOT HAD COMMENTED BACK IN FEBRUARY, AND WE WERE NOT AWARE OF THAT COMMENT UNTIL LAST WEEK WHEN I ASKED, WHEN I ASKED FOR COMMENT. AND THEY, AND, AND THEY SENT ME THAT. BUT, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE DARBY FARM REZONING. THERE ARE CERTAIN, UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN, UH, UH, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAY NEED TO BE, UH, THAT MAY NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED, SHOULD THEY ASK FOR ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, ENTRANCES AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THEIR, UH, THEIR RESPONSE WITH REGARDS TO THE SEAFOOD PLAN, AT LEAST BACK IN FEBRUARY. NEW ROUTE 13 ACCESS WOULD REQUIRE A CROSSOVER AND A SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE. UM, A, A TEMPORARY ROUTE 13 ACCESS FOR NORTHBOUND VEHICLES. UH, THEY ARE RECOMMENDING, UH, UH, ANOTHER ENTRANCE APPROXIMATELY 415 FEET NORTH OF THE GROTON TOWN ROAD SIGNAL NORTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE IN TAPER MAY ALSO BE REQUIRED. SO THAT'S RIGHT THERE AT THAT, UH, AT THAT, UH, AT THAT STREET WHERE YOU TURN INTO THE BACK AND THEN U-TURNS ALONG. UH, ROUTE 13 MAY NOT BE PERMITTED FOR THIS. THEY HAVE REQUESTED A SCALED CONCEPT DRAWING, UH, FOR ANY, UM, FOR ANY, UM, UH, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING. UH, THEY MAY NOT HAVE, UH, CREATED ANYTHING JUST YET FOR THAT ANNEX. UM, THEY DID NOT TAKE A POSITION ON THE APPLICATION. THEY ONLY INDICATED THAT THEIR ROLE IS TO PROVIDE SAFE AND RELIABLE SERVICE WHERE AND WHEN REQUESTED. HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF USE, I WOULD SUSPECT, ESPECIALLY AT THE DARBY FARM, THEY WOULD NEED PROJECTED LOAD INFORMATION, WHICH WE HAVE NOT, UM, WHICH WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED. AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL PARAPHRASED, BUT PART OF THE PARAPHRASING IS THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM THE APPLICANT OR FROM ANY OF THE POTENTIAL END USERS OF THE SITE. SO THAT WILL STILL BE PENDING, AND THAT WILL DEFINITELY BE A PART OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR THE, UM, UH, FOR BOTH, REALLY BOTH SITES. SO WE WILL BE SENDING THE SITE PLAN OUT TO ALL OF THESE, UH, AGENCIES HERE. PUBLIC SAFETY, THAT'S, THAT'S AKAMAK, UM, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY. SO C RAY PRUITT, UH, HE REVIEWED THESE AND HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND THEN BUILDING INSPECTIONS. I REQUESTED THAT BUILDING INSPECTIONS AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT THE SEAFOOD PLANT FOR JUST ADVISORY COMMENTS. AGAIN, ENVIRONMENTAL, THOSE COMMENTS ARE STILL PENDING, BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, AND WE'LL SEE THAT IN SOME MAPS LATER, IS THAT THERE IS A, UH, A MINOR AMOUNT OF WETLANDS AND, UM, SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA, ALSO KNOWN AS THE FLOOD PLAIN THERE. AND, UM, AND, UH, THAT IS PRESENT ALONG THE, UH, THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE SITE CLOSER TOWARDS THE, UM, CLOSER TOWARDS THE MARSH. UH, NO ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, COMMENTS ARE ANTICIPATED FOR THE SEAFOOD PLANT. IT'S, IT'S ON, IT'S ON THE RIDGE OF THE EASTERN SHORE. NO WETLANDS, NO SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA OR FLOODPLAIN. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET INTO THE DARBY FARM. SO THE APPLICANT, UH, IS VIRGINIA SPACE, AND WE'VE GOT JOHN , WHO IS REPRESENTING, UH, VIRGINIA SPACE. DEBORAH BRYAN IS THEIR, UM, IS THEIR GENERAL, THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL. VIRGINIA SPACE HAS ACQUIRED THE, THE SITE THEY'VE ACQUIRED MORE THAN 369 ACRES. THAT WAS, UH, UH, THAT WAS ADVERTISED. SO, UH, THERE ARE ACTUALLY, THERE ARE MORE THAN FIVE TAX PARCELS NOW. FIVE TAX PARCELS ACTUALLY, UM, UH, COMPRISED OF 167 ACRES THAT I HAD MENTIONED LAST TIME. THIS IS IN MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT TWO, SO THAT'S ROGER DE GEORGE'S. AND THIS IS IN THE, UM, IS IN THE CHAIR WOMAN'S, UH, MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AS WELL. AGAIN, SITE ACREAGE IS 369 ACRES. CURRENT ZONING IS AG AND THE FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION IS AG. THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THAT FROM AG TO INDUSTRIAL WITH, UH, WHAT WE SAY, FIVE PROFFERS. HERE, WE HAD DROPPED DOWN TO THREE, AND WE'RE WORKING ON A FOURTH. AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. THERE ARE NO, UM, THERE ARE NO, UH, ANY MAJOR OVERLAYS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SMALL AMOUNT OF FLOOD PLAIN AND A SMALL AMOUNT OF WETLANDS ADJACENT ZONING. THE DERBY FARM IS ALL AG, AND OF COURSE, ACROSS THE STREET IS THE NEUTRON COMPLEX THAT IS ALSO OWNED BY VIRGINIA SPACE, BUT RENTED TO ROCKET LAB. UH, AND THAT WAS REZONED INDUSTRIAL WITH PROFFERS BACK IN 2021, I BELIEVE. THE ADJACENT USES OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL VACANT AG AND INDUSTRIAL WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED, UM, VIRGINIA SPACE [00:10:01] ROCKET LAB FACILITY. UM, WE'LL GET INTO THE PROFFERS. AND THEN, UM, CICE, I'LL HAVE YOU ACTUALLY BEFORE AFTER THIS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO BACK TO THE, UM, TO THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE GRAPHICS. SO, UM, THE PREVIOUS SLIDE MENTIONED FIVE, UH, MENTIONED FIVE, UH, UH, FIVE PROFFERS. THAT HAS BEEN REDUCED DOWN TO THREE. AND MR. CUSAS AND I HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING A, A SURVEY PROFFER FOR WHAT WE CALL TRACK TWO. AND I'LL SHOW YOU TRACK TWO IN JUST A SECOND. THE FIRST PROFFER IS AN ANNUAL TRAINING PROFFER. AND THIS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANIES AND THE RESCUE COMPANIES THAT WOULD RESPOND TO AN EMERGENCY AT THE DERBY FARM, UH, THAT, UH, THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE TRAINED UP FOR THAT. AND, AND WE WILL SHOW YOU THE WORDING OF THE PROFFERS THAT WAS ALSO IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET. UM, THE SECOND AND THIRD PROFFERS REGARD USE, THEY'RE PROFFERING, THE USES, ONLY THE USES THAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO CONDUCT THE ACTIVITY OF AEROSPACE, MANUFACTURING, PRODUCTION, FABRICATION, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SUPPORT AND ACCESSORY FACILITIES, THINGS LIKE STORAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, INTERNAL, YOU KNOW, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES, CAFETERIAS, THINGS OF THAT SORT ARE, UH, ARE, ARE PROFFERED IN. BUT WHAT'S BEEN PROFFERED OUT OR QUOTE UNQUOTE PROHIBITED WOULD INCLUDE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE NOT IN NUMBER TWO. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THERE'S THIS LONG EXTENSIVE LIST OF USES. AND WHAT VIRGINIA SPACE HAS, UH, HAS PR TO DO IS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU REZONED TO INDUSTRIAL, AND IF YOU DID NOT PROFFER THAT, THEN ANYTHING THAT, UM, ANYTHING IN THAT LIST COULD BE BROUGHT TO, COULD BE BROUGHT TO THIS SITE. BUT VIRGINIA SPACE MERELY WANTS TO DO AEROSPACE AND, UM, AND DEFENSE MANUFACTURING AND PRODUCTION AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. UH, THIS WOULD INCLUDE ALL USES THIS ARE BY RIGHT SPECIAL USE PERMIT. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND ONE KEY, UH, ONE KEY ELEMENT OF THE DARBY FARM PROFFER PROFFERS IS THAT HOT TEST FIRING IS NOT PROFFERED OUT. SO THERE MAY BE THE, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING HOT TEST FIRING THERE. UH, IT IS NOT THE, IT'S NOT THE PREFERRED LOCATION. I'LL LET MR. TI DISCUSS HOT TEST FIRING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, IN DEPTH. THE FOURTH PRO, UH, WELL, IT'S NOT A PROFFER YET, BUT THE FOURTH PROFFER THAT WE'VE BEEN, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN BOUNCING BACK AND FORTH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, TODAY, AS A MATTER OF FACT OR, OR OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS, I HAD FIRST BROUGHT THIS UP TO, UH, TO JOHN, UH, TO MR. TI AND TO DEBORAH BRYAN, UH, LAST WEEK IS SERVING THE 86 ACRE TRACT TWO, UH, UH, PIECE, WHICH IS DESCRIBED IN THE PROFFER STATEMENT THAT YOU ALL HAVE FOR THE DARBY FARM. LET'S GO TO THE, UM, TO THE STAFF REPORT FOR YOU DO CONTROL. DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND DOWNLOAD IT. I GOT IT RIGHT THERE. THERE'S THREE, THOSE THREE DOTS HERE. CLICK, DOWNLOAD, FILE, PDF, DESKTOP. NOW YOU CAN HAVE CONTROL NOW. OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE MAPS. AND THIS IS THE, UH, THESE ARE RIGHT IN THE STAFF REPORT. THE RED LINE, THE RED DOTTED LINE IS YOUR 369 ACRES. ACTUALLY, THEY OWN MORE. DIDN'T YOU TELL US THAT, SIR? DIDN'T YOU TELL US THEY OWN MORE? YEAH, SO EVERYTHING FROM, UH, FROM, UH, UH, ATLANTIC ROAD ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE FAR CORNER OF OUR BUCKLE NECK ROAD, THEY OWN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME OF THESE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, THAT FRONT ON THE FRONT ON, UH, 6 79, EVERYTHING ELSE VIRGINIA SPACE OWNS. SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF PROPERTY, OR IT'S A SIGNIFICANT SITE. SO THIS IS YOUR AERIAL. UM, [00:15:01] WE, THE, THE MOST RECENT AERIALS WE HAVE ARE 2021, AS YOU KNOW, UH, THIS SITE, FORMERLY A CHICKEN FARM, UH, OR CHICKEN HOUSES THAT HAS BEEN REDEVELOPED INTO THE ROCKET LAB. UM, UH, THE ROCKET LAB, UH, NEUTRON COMPLEX. AND THAT LAND WAS OWNED BY VIRGINIA. PACE IS OWNED VIRGINIA, UH, VIRGINIA SPACE. YES, SIR. SO, UH, THESE TWO PIECES RIGHT HERE ARE BOTH OWNED BY VIRGINIA SPACE. OKAY. AND NOW VIRGINIA SPACE, AGAIN OWNS EVERYTHING TO THE, UH, SOUTH OF WALLACE ISLAND ROAD, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THESE LOTS UP HERE. OKAY? OKAY. UH, THIS IS YOUR ZONING MAP. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ALL ZONED RESIDENTIAL. ACROSS THE STREET IS INDUSTRIAL WITH PROFFERS, AND YOU'VE GOT JUST A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, YEAH, ACTUALLY, YOU'VE GOT JUST A LITTLE BIT OF RESIDENTIAL HERE, WHICH IS REALLY THE OLD DARBY FARM HOUSE, RIGHT? YES, SIR. AND NOBODY'S THERE 'CAUSE THEY JUST USE 'EM FOR OFFICES NOW, RIGHT? ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT HOUSE IS SLATED FOR DEMOLITION. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YEAH. I MEAN, JUST THERE, THERE'S NOBODY THERE, JOHN, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE HOUSE? NOBODY IN THE HOUSE. NOBODY'S IN THE HOUSE? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. AND IT'S ROUGHLY 500 ACRES THAT I HEAR YOU MENTION. UM, THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THIS IS YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. UM, SO IF YOU GO BACK ONE MORE SLIDE. SO THE REST OF THE DARBY OFFICES AND THE FARMING OPERATION THAT'S UP THERE IN THE, THAT THEY OWN JUST BEFORE YOU GET TO SEASIDE ROAD. OH, YOU MEAN UP HERE? YEAH. THAT, THAT'S THE OLD FARMING OPERATION FOR DARBY'S, RIGHT? VIRGINIA? UH, YES. AND VIRGINIA SPACE OWNS THAT NOW. OKAY. IS THAT BEING DEMOLISHED? NOT CURRENTLY. THANK YOU. OKAY. FUTURE LAND USE MAP, YOU SEE IS AN EXTENSIVE, UM, EXTENSIVE CONSERVATION AREA TO THE EAST. EVERYTHING IS DESIGNATED AG. OTHERWISE. UM, AT THE TIME OF THIS REZONING UP HERE, HE WAS ALSO DESIGNATED AGRICULTURE FOR FUTURE LAND USE. BUT, UH, IT WAS STILL, YOU KNOW, DESPITE THE, DESPITE THE FUTURE LAND USE, WHICH IS USUALLY THE FIRST THING THAT PLANTERS LOOK AT FOR REZONINGS, UH, IT WAS STILL ZONED, UM, UH, INDUSTRIAL, AND IT WAS PROFFERED WHO OWNS THE LAND ON THE OUTSIDE, THE MARSHLAND AND EVERYTHING. DOES NASA OWN ALL THAT? YES, THIS IS ALL, UH, THIS IS ALL FEDERAL. OKAY. UP TO THAT RED LINE, OR DOES DO, DO THE, IS THE DARBY FARM? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK TH THIS IS ALL FEDERAL AS WELL. OKAY. RIGHT? MM-HMM . UM, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UH, AGAIN, AGRICULTURAL, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AG. AND WE WANT TO TAKE THIS TO WHERE IT'S BEING APPLIED FOR INDUSTRIAL. WE DON'T, UM, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A SPOT ZONING ISSUE HERE, BECAUSE THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN REZONED INDUSTRIAL. NOW, THIS MAP RIGHT HERE IS THE AG AND FORESTAL DISTRICT LANDS, AND IT INDICATES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF AG AND FORESTAL, UH, FOR, FOR THE SITE. NOW, AGRICULTURAL ENFORCEABLE DISTRICT IS ESSENTIALLY A LAND USE TAXATION TECHNIQUE TO, UH, TO REDUCE THE PROPERTY OWNER'S, UM, TAX LIABILITY AS PART OF THE AG ENFORCEABLE, UH, ORDINANCE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PASSED, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2007 OR 2009. IF THE PROPERTY IS REZONED, THEN IT'S AUTOMATICALLY TAKEN OUT OF AG AND FORESTAL. SO THIS SLIDE IS MORE FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY, AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, THAT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF A, UH, OF, WE JUST CALL IT A FD, BUT IT WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF A FD SHOULD IT BE REZONED TO INDUSTRIAL. OKAY. THIS IS THE, UM, MR. BENNETT, THESE ARE THE HAZARD CIRCLES. THE, IN THE INNER CIRCLE IS 10,000, AND THE OUTER CIRCLE IS 20,000 FEET. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE LARGER ROCKETS, YOU WOULD USE THE 20,000 FOOT, UH, THE 20,000 FOOT HAZARD ARC OR ZONE. AND THAT ACTUALLY GOES ALL THE WAY OUT TO, IT TOUCHES JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THE, UH, OF THE SEAFOOD PLANT SITE. IS THAT WHERE THEY CONSIDER A ROCKET COULD BLOW UP? NO, THAT'S WHERE THEY CONSIDER, WHAT IS IT? DFO? IT'S KIND OF [00:20:01] LIKE YOU GET SOUND WAVES AND CAN BREAK WINDOWS AND DO DAMAGE TO PROPERTY. OKAY. YEAH, I BELIEVE, WHICH WAS, IT'S NOT WHERE A ROCKET WOULD LAND AND BLOW UP. NO. WELL, THEY'RE ACTUALLY LAUNCHING OVER THE WATER. I KNOW. SO IF SOMETHING TERRIBLY WRONG HAD GONE AND, AND THEY WERE JUST CHECKING YEAH. , IT'S A DISCUSSION. IT'S A WORK SESSION. YEAH, SURE. SO THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T EVACUATE THAT AREA FOR LAUNCHES? THEY DON'T, NO. OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT VIRGINIA SPACE, UH, MENTIONS AS THEIR, UH, AS THEIR, UM, UH, THEIR JUSTIFICATION FOR ACQUIRING THE DARBY FARM IS TO PROTECT IT FROM, FROM DEVELOPMENT AT THE, IT'S, IT'S E AND, AND, AND, AND THE OTHER HALF OF THAT STATEMENT IS THEY WOULD STILL LIKE TO DEVELOP IT FOR AIRSPACE AND DEFENSE, BUT IT'S EASIER TO TELL A TENANT, HEY, WE'RE ABOUT TO LAUNCH A ROCKET HERE IN A, IN A, IN A FEW WEEKS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO EVACUATE, OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO VACATE. UH, WHILE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE DO THAT, SHOULD A PRIVATE DEVELOPER, SHOULD THEY HAVE ACQUIRED THIS SITE AND DEVELOPED IT FOR RESIDENTIAL, THEN THAT BECOMES A LOT MORE PROBLEMATIC FOR, FOR THE MISSIONS AND TRYING TO GET THE, UH, AND, AND TRYING TO GET THOSE PEOPLE TO VOLUNTARILY EVACUATE. WHERE, UM, UH, WHERE IF IT, IF IT WAS FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AEROSPACE AND DEFENSE AS A TENANT OF VIRGINIA SPACE, WELL, IN MY MIND, IT'S A NATIONAL SECURITY PROBLEM. THERE'S A LOT OF CLASSIFIED STUFF THAT THE NAVY'S DOING OVER THERE. MM-HMM . AND I DON'T WANT THE CHINESE BUYING ALL THAT FARM. I DON'T WANT 'EM BUYING ARM BUCKLES NECK. RIGHT. I MEAN, I'M SERIOUS. I'M NOT. THAT'S, THAT'S A SERIOUS COMMENT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KNEW SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, PROBABLY OVER A YEAR AGO AT THIS POINT, THAT THERE WAS THAT, THAT THEY HAD INTEREST IN, IN PURCHASING THIS. AND I THINK THAT THAT WAS A GOOD MOVE. WHO HAD INTEREST IN, IN PERSON WHO HAD INTEREST IN PURCHASING VIRGINIA SPACE. VIRGINIA SPACE HAD INTEREST IN PURCHASING IT. YEAH. NOW, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HATE FOR A PRIVATE CITIZEN TO HAVE THE CHINESE COME ALONG AND OFFER, WHAT'D THEY PAY FOR THAT $10 MILLION, $50 MILLION AND OWN THAT RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE WE'RE RUNNING CLASSIFIED NAVY OPERATIONS. OKAY. RIGHT. THAT 20, UH, THOUSAND FOOT, UH, CIRCLE THERE. GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS THING, HOW MUCH IS THE TOWN OF ATLANTIC IN THAT MADAM CHAIRMAN? IT LOOKS LIKE HIM ALMOST ENTIRELY WITH HIM. THAT 20,000, I THINK IT GOES ALL THE WAY OUT TO ARCADIA. OH, IT GOES OUT TO 13 ON ARCADIA HIGHWAY. WOW. RIGHT. BY ARCADIA HIGH SCHOOL. IT'S JUST THINKING, IT'S NOT EVACUATION. IT'S A, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DFO MEANS, BUT IT'S SOUND WAVES THAT CAN CRACK WINDOWS AND DAMAGE HOUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK. RIGHT. AND, AND THAT WAS A DOCUMENTED EFFECT WITH THE 2 20 14 EXPLOSION. OKAY. YEAH. MM-HMM . IS THAT RON WOLF HAD A BUNCH OF, HAD A BUNCH OF WINDOWS BLOWN OUT AT A SANDWICH SHOP. AND THAT'S NOT EXACTLY CLOSE BY, BUT I'M NOT RANGE SAFETY, SO I WOULDN'T HOLD ME TO THAT . YEAH, YOU LIVE RIGHT BY THERE. BUT, UH, AND THIS IS A, UM, A, A CLOSER INSET OF THOSE HAZARD ARCS. SO HERE'S YOUR 20, HERE'S YOUR, YOUR 10,000 FOOT LINE RIGHT HERE, AND RIGHT UP HERE IS YOUR 20,000 ON, UM, UH, LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UH, 6 79. YOU CAN SEE WHERE YOUR FLOODPLAIN IS JUST BASICALLY ALONG THE MARSH. UM, THESE ARE GOING TO BE AREAS THAT CANNOT BE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY RIGHT DOWN HERE. AND, UM, AND, AND, AND A SMALL PORTION HERE. SO ANY SITE PLANS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS, BUT THIS MAP HERE IS TO LET YOU, IS, IS, IS TO, UH, ILLUSTRATE THE PRESENCE OF SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA. BUT THAT'S A LANDOWNER'S PROBLEM. ONCE THEY'VE GOT IT, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT. NO, SIR. THEY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ANY ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS. OKAY? YEP. AND THIS IS THE, UM, CHESAPEAKE ATLANTIC PRESERVATION AREA OVERLAY, JUST A TINY BIT OF RPA DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH, UH, WHICH ESSENTIALLY, UH, OVERLAPS THAT SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA. SO THERE'S A DOUBLE WHAMMY. THERE IS NO INTENT TO DEVELOP DOWN HERE FROM EVERYTHING THAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR. [00:25:02] OKAY. SO THIS IS A RECENT SURVEY. THIS, UH, THIS SURVEY DID NOT, UH, WHERE'S NORTH, SIR? THAT'S A DIFFERENT MAP. WHERE'S NORTH? NORTH IS THIS WAY? OKAY. YEAH. SO HERE'S YOUR NORTH ARROW, AND IT IS, UH, IT IS ROTATED SLIGHTLY. THIS IS WHILE SILENT ROAD. THIS IS, UH, THIS IS VIRGINIA SPACE AND ROCKET LAB, AND YOUR SECURITY GATE IS RIGHT DOWN HERE. MM-HMM . OKAY. OUR BUCKLE NECK ROAD FORMS, THE, UM, WE'LL CALL IT PLAN NORTH BOUNDARY. SO SEASIDE ROAD IS TOP RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT UP, UH, RIGHT UP HERE. OKAY. YEAH. AND THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL 167 ACRES HERE. THIS IS THE 86 ACRES THAT WE WERE MENTIONING. THAT IS, UM, THAT IS INDICATED AS TRACKED TWO IN THE PROFFER STATEMENT. AND THIS IS TRACK THREE, WHICH WAS AN AD FROM LAST WEEK. SO, UH, ESSENTIALLY 115 ACRES, UM, OR YEAH, 115 ACRES. AND THEN THIS IS JUST A, UM, AN UN ANNOTATED, UH, SHEET THERE. AND THIS IS THE FARMING OPERATION UP BY THE, BY THE TRIANGLE. OKAY. THIS IS THE PREVIOUS PROFFER STATEMENT, ACTUALLY, BUT YOU HAVE THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF THE PROFFERS IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET. I'M SORRY. THIS IS THE, UM, THE APPLICANT'S STATEMENT. THEY'VE SUBMITTED A LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THE PARCELS TRACT. ONE IS THE ORIGINAL 167 ACRES. TRACT TWO IS THE 86 ACRES THAT I HAD, UH, THAT I HAD SHOWN YOU BEFORE. AGAIN, THAT'S THIS RECTANGULAR PIECE RIGHT HERE. UM, THIS L-SHAPED PARCEL IS PARCEL 46. THE ONE IMMEDIATELY TO THE, UM, TO THE SOUTHWEST IS, UH, PARCEL 47. AND ESSENTIALLY THEY JUST WANT TO FOLLOW THAT LINE STRAIGHT OUT TO THIS, UH, UM, UH, TO THIS TRACT, WHICH IS, UH, 50, AND INCLUDE THIS IN THE, UH, IN THE REZONING APPLICATION. THAT SURVEY PROFFER THAT I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE WAS INTENDED TO SEPARATE THE, UM, THE, UH, UH, AREA REQUESTED FOR INDUSTRIAL ZONING FROM THIS AREA UP HERE, WHICH WILL STILL RETAIN ITS AGRICULTURAL ZONING. AND YES, THE, THESE ARE THE OLD PROFFERS, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS REFER TO, UH, WE CAN ALWAYS REFER TO THE REVISED PROFFER STATEMENT. IS THIS A ONE YEAR PLAN, FIVE YEAR PLAN, 30 YEAR PLAN, 50 YEAR? I'LL LET, UM, I'LL LET JOHN OKAY. ANSWER THAT. OKAY. YEAH. SO LET'S SEE. YEAH, LET'S GO BACK TO THE SLIDE DECK. I'M GONNA PAUSE HERE AND, UM, ASK WHAT Y'ALL'S WISHES ARE IN TERMS OF, DO YOU WANT TO, DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE SEAFOOD PLANT AND THEN BRING UP, UH, MR. TI? OR DO YOU WANNA STOP HERE AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DERBY FARM? UH, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ONE AT A TIME. OKAY. WE CAN STOP HERE. THAT WAY WE'RE NOT MIXING THE TWO UP. OKAY. DOES ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANNA DO DIFFERENT? NO, NO, THAT'S FINE. NO? GOOD. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? SO THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND WE CAN FIELD OF ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. TYLER, YOU GOT QUESTIONS? UH, I MEAN, I'M GONNA LET 'EM, THEY MIGHT ANSWER 'EM AS THEY KEEP GOING. SO NOW ALL I KNOW WHAT I HAVE. WHAT, UM, SO ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TELEMETRY. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT IS. WHAT IS TELEMETRY? WELL, MEDICAL TELEMETRY IS LIKE MONITORING IT. NO, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING TELEMETRY ON THIS PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. SO, BUT I'M SAYING IS IT HAS SOMETHING LIKE, SO YOU ROCKET TRANSMIT TRANSMITS DATA DOWN TO YOUR ANTENNA, AND THEN THAT, UM, TELEMETRY PEOPLE, UH, DECODE IT THROUGH RECEIVERS AND SEND IT TO LIKE, SAFETY AND THEY, YOU KNOW, PUT THEIR, PUT IT IN THEIR SYSTEM. AND SO IS THAT [00:30:01] LIKE WHAT THOSE BIG DISHES ARE? SOME OF THEM, YEAH. SOME OF 'EM ARE RADAR AND SOME OF 'EM. SO BASICALLY MONITORING THE ROCKET AS IT'S GOING THROUGH IT'S DATA? YEAH. OKAY. SO THEY'RE GONNA DO, SO IN THE THING IT SAID THEY'RE GONNA DO TELEMETRY HERE OR SOMETHING? YES. IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CHAIR WINGFIELD, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE TONIGHT. YEAH, THANK YOU. AND FOR HAVING THIS WONDERFUL, UH, WORK SESSION. I DO WANT TO THANK LEE AND SHAUNTICE FOR THEIR WONDERFUL HELP OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS. THIS HAS BEEN, UM, THEY'VE BEEN ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL IN HELPING ME AND VIRGINIA SPACE THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO, UH, MR. TYLER TO TALK ABOUT TELEMETRY REAL QUICK. THAT WAS THE GENESIS BEHIND ADDING PARCELS. SO THE LAST FEW WEEKS. SO THIS IS A RAPIDLY DEVELOPING PROJECT FOR VIRGINIA SPACE. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, ONCE THEY ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY, MORE AND MORE PHONE CALLS HAVE COME KNOWING THAT THERE MAY BE SOMETHING COMING. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, TELEMETRY IS EXACTLY WHAT CHAIR WINGFIELD SAID. IT'S REALLY JUST TALKING TO THE, TO THE VEHICLE AS IT LEAVES THE LAUNCH PAD. UM, SO WHILE THEY'RE FIRING, UH, THEY NEED TO BE TESTING TO MAKE SURE ALL THE SAFETY THINGS ARE GOOD. I HATE TO BRING UP A BAD SITUATION, BUT YEARS AGO, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD AN INCIDENT THERE. TELEMETRY WAS WHAT WAS TALKING TO THAT ROCKET WHILE THINGS WERE HAPPENING THERE, SO THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS HAPPENING. SO THAT'S THE IDEA AS THE ROCKET TAKES OFF AND LAUNCHES THAT TELEMETRY, MONITORS IT ALL THE WAY UP AS YOU HEAR THINGS, AS YOU WATCH THE DATA COME IN, THAT'S ALL TELEMETRY. THE TELEMETRY THAT IS BEING PLANNED ON THIS SITE AT THE MOMENT, THE REASON THAT THOSE EXTRA PARCELS WERE ADDED DOWN THERE. NASA CURRENTLY HAS ITS TELEMETRY RIGHT DOWN. UM, I'M GONNA GO DOWN AND POINT TO IT. WATCH THEY, UH, ROCKET LAUNCH, THEY HAVE VISITING, THEY HAVE, UH, VIEWING, UM, SECTIONS RIGHT DOWN HERE FOR FOLKS. OKAY. THEY ALSO HAVE THEIR TELEMETRY THERE. UM, VIRGINIA SPACE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ITS OWN IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE OR IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS WHY THOSE PARCELS WERE ADDED. OH, OKAY. THE TELEMETRY THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING PLANNED, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVE AROUND THE NASA FACILITY. AS YOU GO ON THE TIG, UM, VISION, YOU ENVISION A WHOLE BUNCH OF LARGE SATELLITE DISHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO HERE. UH, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO IS VIRGINIA SPACE IS LOOKING TO HAVE THE FACILITIES READY FOR TENANTS TO BE ABLE TO COME AND USE MOBILE TELEMETRY FOR THEIR ROCKETS. AT THIS POINT, THE DIFFERENCE BEING OBVIOUSLY PRIVATE AS PRIVATE SPACE, UM, VEHICLES, UM, WITH, WITH ROCKET LAB AND OTHERS, UM, IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO THEIR VEHICLES AS THEY HAVE. SO WE'RE NOT ASPHALT IN THAT AREA AND PUTTING UP BUILDINGS. ABSOLUTELY NOT. NO, SIR. OKAY. IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT VIRGINIA SPACE IS ESSENTIALLY A LANDLORD? IT IS ESSENTIALLY A LANDLORD, YES, SIR. YES, SIR. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A QUASI-GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY THERE TO, UM, SUPPORT THE, A, UH, AEROSPACE INDUSTRY HERE ON THE SHORE. SO AS A, A LANDLORD, UH, THEY'LL HAVE CONTROL OF THE TENANTS AND, AND WHAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO WILL REST WITH VIRGINIA SPACE. THAT IS CORRECT. SO THEY WILL BE MONITORING AS CUSTOMERS CALL, UM, ROCKET LAB'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE. VIRGINIA SPACE AND ROCKET LAB, THEY CREATED A PARTNERSHIP. THEY, UM, BUILT THE BUILDING THAT IT'S THERE. ROCKET LAB'S, A LONG TERM TENANT OF VIRGINIA SPACE AT THAT FACILITY. THEY'LL BE LOOKING TO DO THE SAME THING FOR OTHERS AS THEY, UM, AS THEY CONTINUE, AS, AS PRIVATE SPACE CONTINUES TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. AND, AND, UM, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, AND CHAIR WINGFIELD PROBABLY KNOWS MORE THAN I DO, A LOT MORE THAN I DO, BUT THAT, UM, UM, THAT TYPE, THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES, THAT'S WHAT, UM, THAT'S THE, THE WAY THAT WE ARE MOVING IS TOWARDS PRIVATE SPACE AS OPPOSED TO GOVERNMENT LAUNCHES. AND THAT'S THE SAME BUSINESS MODEL THAT WOULD BE USED FOR THE VILLE SITE LANDLORD TENANT? THAT IS CORRECT. AND, AND I WILL, MR. PETIT, LET, UM, LEE GIVE THAT PRESENTATION, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF FLAVOR RIGHT NOW FOR THE MAPS V SITE. OBVIOUSLY THIS SITE IS THE BETTER SPOT FOR, FOR ASSEMBLING, UM, VEHICLES AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. THE MAPS V SITE IS GONNA FOCUS MORE ON OFFICE AND STORAGE. UM, AND, AND THE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN THERE ARE GONNA BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IS ALREADY HAPPENING AT THE FACILITY THAT IS LOCATED ON ROUTE 13, JUST SOUTH OF ARCADIA HIGH SCHOOL. UM, AS YOU COME DOWN THE HIGHWAY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, IF YOU'RE COMING SOUTH, THERE'S THE FACILITY THAT VIRGINIA SPACE HAS BEEN IN, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED ADDISON, UM, ADDISON PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WAREHOUSE LOOKING FACILITY. THEY'D BE DOING VERY, VERY SIMILAR THINGS IN, IN THIS FACILITY, JUST LARGER AS THEY EXPAND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. UH, YES SIR. THE, UH, I GUESS THE PUBLIC WOULD ASK ABOUT ROCKET FUEL STORAGE OF ROCKET FUEL IS AN EXPLOSIVE THING. UH, ONE SITE IS VERY CLOSE TO A SCHOOL, UH, THE 55 ACRES. THE OTHER SITE IS WELL AWAY FROM IT, BUT STILL CLOSE TO ATLANTIC . IS THERE ANY STORAGE, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY STORAGE OF EXPLOSIVE MATERIALS LIKE ROCK AND FUEL? THAT SIR MR. SPARKMAN? WONDERFUL QUESTION. SO LET ME ADDRESS AGAIN, MAPS FILL REAL QUICK AS, AS THAT'S GONNA COME ONLINE AT THE CURRENT TIME, THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON DOING ANY TYPE OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS OR FUELING IN [00:35:01] MAPS. AND IF YOU THINK LOGICALLY, WHEN YOU HAVE 300, HOPEFULLY 300 ACRES HERE OF INDUSTRIAL SPACE, RIGHT CLOSE TO THE LAUNCH FACILITIES, THAT'S THE LOGICAL PLACE THAT YOU'D BE PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER FOR, FOR THAT TYPE OF STUFF. SO, MAPS FILL, AGAIN, STORAGE OFFICE SPACE, EDUCATIONAL THINGS, THAT TALKING TO SCHOOLS. AND ALSO, UM, I WILL SAY THAT IF ANY TYPE OF FUELING IS USED, ANY TYPE OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS ARE USED, OR LET'S GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT TEST FIRING. AS LEE HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, IF ANY OF THAT IS LOOKING TO BE DONE, THOSE, UH, VIRGINIA SPACE OR THE TENANTS HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO THE IDEA HERE IS WE ARE GOING TO BE REZONING A LARGE SWATH OF LAND TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE ARE OPEN FOR BUSINESS, WE ARE READY FOR THE AEROSPACE INDUSTRY, BUT ANY SPECIFIC TENANT THAT WANTS TO COME BACK IS GONNA HAVE TO DO A SITE PLAN WITH LEE AND HIS STAFF. UM, AND ANY TYPE OF USES THAT ARE MORE INTENSIVE THAN JUST BUILDING OFFICE SPACE OR TELEMETRY OR THE LOW IMPACT USES ARE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD TO EXPLAIN THEMSELVES IN MUCH GREATER DETAIL. YEAH. OKAY. GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU. JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HYDRAZINE COMES IN A TRUCK DOWN ROUTE 13 THROUGH MAXVILLE DOWN ATLANTIC IN OVER WALLACE'S ISLAND. I DON'T, AND THAT STUFF IS WHAT THEY USE TO SHOOT ROCKETS OFF. AND IF YOU SMELL IT, YOU'RE ALREADY DEAD . SO IF IT, IF THEY WRECK THE TRUCK IN ATLANTIC, WE GOT A BIGGER PROBLEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO WITH IT, ISN'T IT? WHEN THEY BRING HYDROGEN OVER THERE? WELL, IT'S PART OF LIQUID. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PART OF THE PAYLOAD USES HYDRAZINE OR IF THE MOTORS, I THINK THE MOTOR USER USE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. NOT, BUT THEY BRING IT ON THE TRUCK THROUGH ATLANTIC IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. I HAVE NO IDEA. I I WILL, IF I COULD, THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL PIECE OF THINGS AS WELL. YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT, MR. TYLER. UM, VIRGINIA SPACE HAS INDICATED TO ME, AND REMEMBER PLEASE, I'M JUST A SMALL TOWN COUNTRY ATTORNEY FROM A C**K, SO THIS IS A LITTLE ABOVE MY PAY GRADE AS WELL IN SOME OF THIS STUFF. SO I'M LEARNING AS YOU ARE AS WELL. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, I, IT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED TO ME AS MOST OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE USED ON THE DERBY FARM WOULD BE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD FIND IN AN AUTOBODY SHOP. SO YOU'RE TALKING RESINS AND YOU'RE TALKING GLUES AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE PRESENTED TO YOU AS WELL. UM, BUT IT'S THE STUFF THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING ON THE SITE THAT'S ALREADY NEXT DOOR RIGHT THERE AT ROCKET LAB. YEAH. THAT'S CONTEMPLATED. OKAY. YES, SIR. SO IN YOUR PROFFER, YOU SAY MOTOR FUELS IS THAT ROCKET MOTOR FUEL? ROCKET MOTOR FUELS. SO IT'S LIQUID, NOT, NOT, UH, SOLID ROCKET AS FAR AS I KNOW, YES. OKAY. UM, OH, I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT SPOT ZONING. WHY IS THIS NOT SPOT ZONING AGAIN? SO, UM, MR. TYLER SPOT ZONING UNDER THE, UNDER VIRGINIA LAW IS, IS THE TAKING OF ONE PARCEL AND ZONING IT FOR THE BENEFIT OF ONE PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER USES IN THE AREA. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, NUMBER ONE, WE ARE NOT ZONING ONE SPECIFIC PARCEL FOR ONE INDIVIDUAL. WE ARE REZONING IT FOR A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY THAT IS TECHNICALLY QUASI-GOVERNMENTAL THAT'S OWNED AND RUN BY THE TAXPAYERS. NUMBER TWO, YOU ARE ZONING IT CONSISTENT WITH LITERALLY HALF OF THE NEIGHBORS, OR, OR A QUARTER OF THE NEIGHBORS AT LEAST. SO YOU ALREADY HAVE INDUSTRIAL ZONE WITH PROFFERS NEXT DOOR, AND THEN COMPLETELY ON THE EASTERN BORDER YOU HAVE NASA AND THE FACILITIES THERE. SO THIS TO ME, DOES NOT, UH, DOES NOT RISE TO THE LEVEL OF SUPPLY ZONING. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU MENTION ADDING TELEMETRY, UM, DISHES ON THAT CORNER, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RADAR AND COMMAND. THEY'RE GONNA BURN YOUR TELEMETRY UP THERE, THE ANTENNAS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WANNA PUT 'EM THERE. YEAH. UH, THE LOCATION, BUT YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU DON'T WANNA THINK ABOUT THAT. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. BUT, UH, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. SO EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING AT THE, AT THE MOMENT IS GONNA BE MOBILE UHHUH. OH, OKAY. SO THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MOVE IT AROUND, UH, AND IT'S REALLY GONNA BE THERE FOR TENANTS. SO THEY'RE GONNA INSTALL THE FACILITIES FOR THEM TO USE AND HOOK UP TO AND TO, TO LAUNCH THEIR MOBILE THINGS. THAT'S THE IDEA AT THE MOMENT, UM, TO ALLOW TENANTS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO NASA KNOWS YOU'RE GONNA PUT TELEMETRY THERE 'CAUSE A PARTY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN DONE. YES. OH, SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DOING AMBULANCES AND FIRE TRAINING, I MEAN, DOESN'T WALLETS AND NASA HAVE THEIR OWN STUFF? MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS COMPREHENSIVE. SO OUR LOCAL VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND EMERGENCY RESPONSES ALSO TRAINED TO DO IT. THAT'S A MATTER OF COURSE THAT YOU WANNA DO THAT. CORRECT. OKAY. YES, SIR. SO I GUESS IN THE FUTURE WHEN YOU DO, UH, HOT FIRES, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A, UH, ACTUAL LAUNCH PAD TO DO THAT? OR IS IT GONNA BE HORIZONTAL? YEAH, CHAIR. GOOD QUESTION. SO, UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE DISCUSSIONS RIGHT NOW ARE THAT THIS IS THE LAST RESORT. SO THE REASON THAT IT WAS [00:40:01] PR NOT PROFFERED OUT WAS BECAUSE JUST IN CASE THERE'S ANYWHERE THAT THEY CANNOT FIND THE OBVIOUS PLACE TO DO THIS IS ON THE ISLAND AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT AND EVERYBODY IS MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. BUT JUST IN CASE THAT IS UNAVAILABLE, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS HERE. SO, AGAIN, TO GET TO THE, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU TO BE ABLE TO TELL WHAT THE PLAN IS. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE CUSTOMER IS, WHAT THEY'RE TEST FIRING, UM, TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH WHATEVER PLAN THAT IT IS. BUT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD SEE IT AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, OBVIOUSLY. GOTCHA. AND THE NOISE THAT WENT WITH IT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S PART OF THE EFFECTS. A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS ANALYZING WHAT THOSE EFFECTS ARE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEIGHBORS, AND THAT IS GONNA BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO MARS HAS ENOUGH LAND HERE. DO, DO THEY PLAN ON BUILDING THEIR OWN LIKE TEST RANGE? I MEAN, THEY HAVE ENOUGH. IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT TELEMETRY THERE, UH, YOU COULD PROBABLY JUST LIGHT 'EM OFF RIGHT THERE. YEAH. WITHOUT, UH, PAYING NASA TO, UH, THERE'S BEEN NO MENTION OF THAT WHATSOEVER. JUST, JUST MENTION. YEAH. THAT'S ALL. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DARBY FARM? SO WHAT'S THE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING IN THE NEXT YEAR, FIVE YEARS, 50 YEARS? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S VIRGINIA SPACE? 'CAUSE WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT A SMALL PORTION OF THIS AND I MEAN, ARE WE BUILDING OUT ALL THAT AIR ANCHORAGE NOW OR WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DID THEY, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PLAN THERE? YEAH, MR. TYLER, THE, THE REASON THIS APPLICATION IS COMING IN IS FOR ECONOMICS, RIGHT? WE ARE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AKIMA COUNTY IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS, FOR THE AEROSPACE INDUSTRY. AND AS YOU WILL KNOW, SERVING IN THIS BOARD, FOR A COMPANY TO COME AND TO WANT TO START IMMEDIATELY TO DO SOMETHING, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH VARIOUS PROCESSES. PART OF THAT PROCESS, NUMBER ONE, WOULD BE TO REZONE THAT CONDITIONAL USE. AND IN SITE PLANT TAKES TIME. THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT KILLS DEVELOPMENTS IS TIME. SO IF YOU ARE A PRIVATE COMPANY RIGHT NOW LOOKING TO GO SOMEWHERE, WHETHER IT'S TEXAS, WEST COAST, FLORIDA, OPS ISLAND TO LAUNCH ROCKETS, YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE THAT IS READY AND HAS THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE ZONING AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE READY. SO I'LL TELL YOU THAT THE REASON THAT THIS IS BEING DONE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ZONING IS ALREADY SOMETHING THAT IS IN, THAT IS BEHIND US. SO THOSE COMPANIES ARE GONNA BE READY TO GO WHEN THEY COME. NOW, AGAIN, THEY STILL HAVE A LOT OF APPROVALS TO GO THROUGH. THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS. THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE NUMBER OF APPROVALS THAT THAT GOES THROUGH. AND AGAIN, BEFORE THIS BOARD, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT EL ELSE NEEDS TO COME. SO I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE VERY FEW SHORT TERM USES THAT ARE CONTEMPLATED AT THE MOMENT. THERE ARE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS OF NEAR TERM USES AT THE MOMENT, AND WE WANT TO BE READY FOR THE LONG TERM. SO I WOULD DEFINE THOSE AS WITHIN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE MONTHS FOR SHORT TERM, NEAR TERM NEXT THREE YEARS. AND THEN LONG TERM IS OBVIOUSLY AFTER THAT. SO DOES THIS MAKE US MUCH MORE COMPETITIVELY ADVANTAGEOUS, WE BELIEVE AGAINST THE REST OF THE COUNTRY? WE BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD. YES, SIR. SO WE'RE TALKING MULTIPLE COMPANIES, MAYBE MULTIPLE JOBS. THAT'S CORRECT. MR. TYLER, I WILL MENTION THAT, UM, WHILE ISLAND IS ONLY ONE OF FOUR LOCATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES WHERE YOU CAN LAUNCH VERTICALLY, UH, COMMERCIALLY AND ORBITAL. SO THE OTHER PLACES ARE VANDENBERG, AIR FORCE BASE, CAPE CANAVERAL, AND THEN THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A LOCATION IN ALASKA. UM, WE ARE VIEWED AS ESSENTIALLY A BACKUP TO THE CAPE VIRGINIA SPACE IS FUN OF SAYING THAT WE'RE ONE HURRICANE AWAY FROM NOT HAVING ASSURED ACCESS TO SPACE, HENCE THE SMALLER TO MID-SIZE, UM, UH, COMPANIES THAT ARE, OR THAT THEY'RE LAUNCHING SMALLER TO MID-SIZE ROCKETS ARE BEING ASKED TO LOOK FOR OTHER PLACES BECAUSE THE CAPE IS JUST SO BUSY RIGHT NOW. THE CHOKE POINT DOWN THERE IS ACTUALLY THEIR PAYLOAD PROCESSING. SO, YOU KNOW, REZONINGS LIKE THIS VIRGINIA SPACE ALREADY HAS A PAYLOAD PROCESSING FACILITY ON THE ISLAND ITSELF. UM, THAT, THAT SETS THIS AREA UP FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, AS A, UM, AS AN ALTERNATE LAUNCH SITE TO THE CAPE. UM, YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. OKAY. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. PAMAN. SO IF WE REZONE THIS, UH, INDUSTRIAL, WHAT CAN THE APPLICANT DO RIGHT AWAY? CAN THEY, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU SITE PLANS AND BUILD BUILDINGS BY RIGHT. OR DO THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? IF, IF THEY'RE WITHIN THOSE PROFFERED USES? ONCE, ONCE IT'S REZONED, THEY'RE GONNA BE LIMITED TO THOSE, TO THOSE PROFFERED USES. THEY CAN COME IN AND, UH, AND, UH, UM, SUBMIT SITE PLANS. AND ONCE THEY GO THROUGH THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT TO, TO BUILD AFTER THAT. OKAY. SO IN, I'M SORRY. SO IN THEIR PROFFER USE WAS MOTOR FUEL, WHICH IS A HAZARD, IT'S, UH, [00:45:01] MATERIAL MM-HMM . WOULD THEY PROFFER THAT? COULD WE TAKE THAT OUT? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT WORK? IF YOU PROFFER IN, YOU'RE GONNA USE MOTOR FUELS, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO BE ABLE TO FUEL THOSE ROCKETS. YES. OR BUILD THEM. ALL RIGHT. WHERE'D YOU SEE MOTOR FUEL IN THERE? I DIDN'T SEE THAT. IT'S, IT'S IN THE PROPER, I OKAY YOU THAT I DIDN'T BRING MY PAPERWORK. THE PEOPLE THAT OWN HOMES IN THE TOWN OF ATLANTIC ARE GOING TO WANT TO KNOW IF THERE'S EXPLOSIVES NEARBY. AND TO THAT, I WOULD SAY THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT HYDRAZINE IS COMING THROUGH THEIR TOWN ON A TRUCK HEADED TO WALLACE. I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS, AND THAT STUFF IS NASTY . SO. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DARBY, UH, FARM? NO, MA'AM. WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ON. SO, SO THE NEXT STEP ON, ON, UH, ON THESE, WE STILL OWE YOU A FULL STAFF REPORT. WE'RE JUST MAKING STATEMENTS OF FACT TONIGHT IN TERMS OF, UH, IN, IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION, SIZE, SO ON AND SO FORTH. NOW, THERE IS GONNA BE A FOLLOW ON STAFF REPORT AS IT'S CUSTOMARY ONE WEEK BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MM-HMM . OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT. MM-HMM . SO WHEN WE GET OUR, WHEN WE GET OUR PACKET, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUBLIC HEARING FOR. IF ANY CHANGES YOU NEED TO DELAY THE PUBLIC HEARING OR YOU WE'RE JUST GONNA GO WITH THE PACKET WE GET, WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME. WHAT WE RECEIVE IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE CORRECT. UM, NOW I WILL SAY THIS, THAT THE ACREAGE AND THE ZONING, ALL OF THAT WILL BE SET. UH, PROFFERS CAN BE NEGOTIATED ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL THE, UH, RIGHT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. BUT LARGE, UH, CHANGES LIKE WHAT ACREAGE YOU'RE PUTTING IN THERE ARE LIKE PARCELS, CORRECT. WE'RE GONNA GO WITH ABSOLUTELY. YES. YEP. OKAY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION TOO. THE HOT TEST FIRING. SO IF THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL OR CONDITIONAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, RIGHT? HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT WE'RE RECEIVING THOSE PRIOR TO FOR PROCESSING? IS THAT ON THE APPLICANT TO DO THAT? WE ALWAYS ASK THE APPLICANTS TO DO A, UM, A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE WITH US. UM, NOW WHAT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAPPEN IS WHEN THEY GET A, WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY GET A COMPANY WHO WANTS TO DO THAT MM-HMM . THEY'RE IMMEDIATELY GONNA LET US KNOW THAT THEY'VE GOT A PROSPECT THAT MAY WANT TO DO HOT TEST FIRING. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THAT IS PROBABLY THE SINGLE MOST, UM, WE'LL JUST SAY THE SINGLE MOST VISIBLE ACTIVITY OF, UH, OF, UM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AEROSPACE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LAUNCHING THE ROCKET ITSELF. MM-HMM . BUT, UH, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY CAN'T EVEN, THEY CAN'T EVEN DISTURB LAND WITHOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT COMING TO US FIRST, MUCH LESS DO SOMETHING AS IMPACTFUL AS A HOT TEST FIRE STAND. SO THEY WILL NOTIFY US, UH, AND WE WILL EXPECT THEM TO NOTIFY US AS SOON AS THEY, AS SOON AS THEY REALIZE THAT THAT'S A POSS THAT'S EVEN A POSSIBILITY. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . SO WE, SO THEY NEED TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF US AS JUST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SHOULD THAT BECOME A, UH, SHOULD THAT BECOME JUST EVEN A POSSIBILITY? MM-HMM . OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. LET'S GO BACK TO THE SLIDE DECK. IF WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE SEAFOOD PLANT, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE SLIDE DECK HERE, AND, UM, WE'LL DO THE SAME THING. SO EVERYTHING THAT I HAD ALREADY MENTIONED ABOUT, UH, ABOUT PROFFERS BEING VOLUNTARY AND EVERYTHING, OF COURSE, THAT WAS FOR BOTH, UH, THAT'S FOR BOTH APPLICATIONS. AGAIN, HERE'S YOUR CUSTOMARY TABLE WITH ALL OF THE, UM, VITAL STATISTICS FOR THE APPLICATION ITSELF. AGAIN, APPLICANT IS, UH, MR. TI ON BEHALF OF GENERAL COUNSEL, DEBORAH BRYAN, AND VIRGINIA SPACE PROPERTY OWNERS. UH, VIRGINIA SPACE OWNS THE SITE. UH, IT'S LOCATED AT 13 2 49 LANGFORD HIGHWAY IN MAPS SPILL. IT'S, THIS ONE'S IN MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT FIVE. SO THAT'S SUPERVISOR WASHINGTON. AND THIS ISN'T, THIS IS IN COMMISSIONER CONNOR'S MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. THIS SHOULD NOT SAY 167 ACRES. THIS SHOULD SAY 55. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. ZONING IS AG, THE FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION IS AG, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE IT FROM AG TO INDUSTRIAL WITH TWO PROFFERS. UM, UNLIKE THE OTHER, THERE ARE NO ENVIRONMENTAL OVERLAYS OR ANYTHING. JASON ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL AND INDUSTRIAL WITH PROFFERS. ACTUALLY, IT'S ALL, UH, [00:50:01] AGRICULTURAL AND RESIDENTIAL. I APOLOGIZE AGAIN, THESE PROFFERS HERE. UM, A, A MORE LIMITED AMOUNT OF, UH, OF PROFFERS. SO WE ONLY HAVE TWO HERE. PROFFERED USES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE OTHER SITE, THE DARBY FARM. UH, THEY HAVE ALSO PROFFERED OUT THE SAME, UH, THE SAME USES AS THE DARBY FARM. THEY ARE PROFFERING OUT HOT TEST FIRING. SO HOT TEST FIRING IS NOT GOING TO BE AN ACTIVITY HERE AT THE, AT THIS 55 ACRES. OKAY. LET'S GO BACK TO THE, UM, LET'S THE, UH, OTHER REPORT, YOU MAY HAVE TO DOWNLOAD THAT ONE AS WELL. OKAY. THE RED DASH LINE INDICATES THE SITE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UM, UH, 55 ACRES DEPICTED BY THIS RED DOTTED LINE HERE. AGAIN, THE, UH, THE ASK IS TO GO FROM AGRICULTURAL TO INDUSTRIAL. AS I HAD MENTIONED TWO WEEKS AGO. UH, THIS SITE HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN USED FOR INDUSTRIAL, AND THE ASK IS ESSENTIALLY TO REZONE THE SITE TO MEET WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT THE BUILDING HAS BEEN USED FOR IN THE PAST, WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL. HERE'S YOUR ZONING MAP, AGAIN, IT'S ALL AG. AND JUST A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, UH, OF RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH. FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOWS AG, I WILL MENTION WITH REGARDS TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UH, I'D ALSO MENTIONED THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RFP IS OUT. WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING SOME RESPONSES. UM, BUT, UH, GOING THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TAKING ANOTHER CLOSE LOOK AT THAT FUTURE LAND USE, UH, GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF, UM, CORRECT ANY DISCREPANCIES. WE WILL JUST SAY IN THAT LAND USE MAP, AS WE GO THROUGH AND WE SAY, OH, WELL, THIS SITE RIGHT HERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN USED AG, OR IT'S ALWAYS BEEN USED AS AN INDUSTRIAL SITE, BUT IT'S DESIGNATED AS AG ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIX THINGS LIKE THAT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AS WE GO THROUGH THE COMP PLANT PROCESS. WE HAVE OTHER PLACES LIKE THAT IN THE COUNTY, DON'T WE? MM-HMM . I'M ALMOST CERTAIN OF IT. OH, I KNOW. YEAH. . UM, AGAIN, HERE'S YOUR A FD. UH, WE DID NOT INCLUDE THE, UH, THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL MAPS BECAUSE THERE JUST IS NO, THERE ARE NO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS ON THIS SITE. SO, UH, THE A FD MAP, AGAIN, THE AGON FORESTAL DISTRICT LANDS, THERE IS A PORTION OF THE SITE THAT IS, UH, IN THE A FD, AND WHEN IT IS, IF IT IS REZONED, IT WILL BE, UH, UH, IT WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF A FD. THIS IS THE HAZARD ARC MAP THAT YOU SAW BEFORE. IT TOUCHES JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THE SITE OVER THERE. THIS IS A SURVEY PLAT THAT, UM, THAT, UH, UH, I APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND WHAT THEY HAD DONE WAS THEY TOOK THESE TWO LAGOONS OUT VIRGINIA SPACE, DID NOT WANT THE LIABILITY OF THOSE LAGOONS. AND WE, UH, AND WE SUBDIVIDED THOSE OUT OF VIRGINIA SPACE, SUBDIVIDED THOSE OUT AFTER WE HAD REVIEWED AND APPROVED THE SUBDIVISION PLAQUE. THIS IS AN APPROXIMATELY 26 OR 27 ACRE PIECE RIGHT HERE. AND HERE IS THE OTHER PIECE. NOW, WE HAVE REQUESTED FROM, UH, FROM WILKINS AND NOBLE, A CLEARER, UH, VERSION OF THIS. THIS IS THE VERSION THAT IS RECORDED IN THE COURTHOUSE, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE IT, IT ENTAILS, UH, TWO MUCH SMALLER LAGOONS AND THE, AND THE, UH, SEAFOOD PROCESSING PLANT ITSELF. THOSE LAGOONS ARE ABANDONED. JOHN, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE LAGOONS? THAT'S CORRECT. FOUR OF THE FOUR LAGOONS, THE TWO DOWN HERE HAVE BEEN CLEARED BY DEQ. THEY'RE NO LONGER PERMITS OR ANYTHING ON THOSE. THOSE ARE JUST, JUST GROUNDWORK. THERE'S NOTHING IN THOSE 12 HOLE. THE OTHER TWO ARE A DIFFERENT STORY WHEN YOU SUBDIVIDED THEM, WHO OWNS THEM? NOW DOES EHH STILL OWN EHH? UM, INVESTMENT GROUP OUTTA MARYLAND STILL OWNS, THEY WERE THE SELLER OF CLAIM PLAN TO VIRGINIA SPACE. THEY STILL OWNED THE LAGOONS THERE DEALING WITH THE EQ ISSUES. HMM. SO THEY COULD, DIDN'T, THEY COULD, UH, REALLY KIND LEAVE THOSE TWO LAGOONS TO THE COUNTY. RIGHT. JUST, UH, PAY TAXES ON IT, LEAVE THE [00:55:01] COUNTY SEES IT. THERE'S, UH, MUCH STRICTER LAWS WITH THE D WITH RESPECT TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP IN THE DEQ, WHICH HAS SOME PERSONAL LIABILITY ATTACHED AS WELL. OH. SO THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN ALL MR. APPROVED NOW WITH D EQ, SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING OVER IT FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW, SO I HIGHLY DOUBT THEY'RE GONNA WALK AWAY. OKAY. I WAS JUST WONDERING, , THIS IS WHAT I FOUND. INTERESTING. YEAH, THIS IS A VERY RECENT, UM, FLOOR PLAN THAT WAS DRAFTED, UH, FOR VIRGINIA SPACE. AND THIS IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, BUT, UM, AS YOU, CAN THIS A CONCEPT OR IS THIS KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IT AS THE STAFF IS TREATING IT AS CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT. OKAY. RIGHT. UH, CHANTE, CAN YOU, UH, ZOOM IN ON THE LEGEND HERE? WE CAN HIT THE CONTROL KEY. THERE YOU GO. YEAH, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD VIEW RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. UM, THIS COLOR CODED, UH, THIS COLOR CODED LEGEND INDICATES THE DIFFERENT VARIOUS USES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. SO, UH, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING HERE, UH, AT LEAST FOR THE TOP PART. UM, THE LAUNCH MAINTENANCE LAUNCH AND MAINTENANCE TEAM SHOP AND OFFICES, THAT IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE YOUR, YOUR MORE INTENSE QUOTE UNQUOTE MANUFACTURING USES IF THEY, UH, UH, IF THEY HAVE A TENANT WHO WANTS TO DO THAT. WE HAVE NO DETAILS ON PHASE TWO. SO I WILL HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, MR. TIS KNOWS ANYTHING MORE ON THAT, THEN WE CAN BRING HIM BACK TO THE PODIUM. CURRENTLY, VIRGINIA SPACE HAS A BUILDING PERMIT IN FOR THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE. AND IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN A BUILDING PERMIT TO RENOVATE FOR OFFICES. THAT'S THE, UH, THAT IS THE CURRENT, UH, STATUS OF WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, BANQUET AND SUPPORT AREAS. UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WANT TO DO SOMEWHAT OF A, OF A, OF A CON CONFERENCE CENTER TO BE ABLE TO HOST THINGS LIKE INDUSTRY DAYS AND, UH, AND, AND THE SORT, UM, THE ADDISON BUILDING THAT, UH, MR. CUSAS MENTIONED, THEY WANT TO VACATE THAT BUILDING AND COME INTO THIS LARGE FACILITY. THIS IS GOING TO GIVE THEM A LOT MORE AREA FOR STORAGE. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE AN EDUCATION PIECE AS WELL. EOC IS THEIR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A TYPICAL USE THAT'S, THAT'S NOTHING MORE THAN A LOT OF SEATS IN A LOT OF COMPUTERS WITH. UH, AND THEY'RE, UM, ROBUSTLY CONNECTED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, UM, BROADCAST, UH, RADIO TO, UM, TO, UH, INTERNET AND THE LIKE. OKAY. AND WE, UH, WE'VE GOT THE, UM, THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THE PROPER STATEMENT HERE, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF'S PRESENTATION. OF COURSE, WE STILL HAVE MR. CUSAS TO, UH, TO ASK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AS WELL. SO WHO ACTUALLY OWNS IT? I LOOK ON ACU MAPS AND IT SAYS EHH. DOES MARS OWNS IT OR DOES EHH VIRGINIA SPACE OWNS IT? HOW COME IT'S NOT, UM, SAYING THAT ON THE MAPS? SO THE INFORMATION IS OBVIOUSLY UPDATED AS SOON AS IT'S IN, IN THE COURTHOUSE. THE, THE OWNERSHIP INFORMATION IS UPDATED. HOWEVER, WE, ON THE GIS SIDE, WE DON'T, WE, WE ONLY RECEIVE AN UPDATE, UM, EVERY SO OFTEN. SO TYPICALLY THAT'S EVERY NINE TO 12 MONTHS. I THINK THAT WE JUST GOT LUCKY ON THE DARBY FARM WHERE THAT'S WHERE THAT UPDATE CYCLE HAPPENED, UH, UH, HAPPENED AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION ON THERE. BUT TO BACK UP, MR. UH, CUAS, VIRGINIA SPACE OWNS THE SITE. SO MACK TAX IS NOT THE LEGAL, THAT'S JUST A INFORMATIONAL ONLY, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND CHAIR, I WILL SAY, UM, LIVING IN THE TRANSIT REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONAL WORLD, WHICH I DO, I WILL TELL YOU THAT ACRO MAP, WHENEVER THERE'S A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT MM-HMM . USUALLY THE OWNERSHIP, UM, DOESN'T UPDATE UNTIL THEY GET THE LINES RIGHT. AND THAT IS USUALLY DONE ON ABOUT A 12 MONTH CYCLE THAT I'VE SEEN. SO IT VERY WELL COULD STAY EHH FOR QUITE A WHILE. UM, BUT THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF SOME OF THOSE LINES. AND THAT'S A THIRD PARTY I BELIEVE STILL THAT UPDATES THAT, AND THAT'S WHY THAT SOMETIMES TAKES A LITTLE LONGER. OKAY. THERE'S ALSO A WAIVER THAT ONE HAS TO CLICK ON BEFORE THEY GO INTO AKA MAP, INDICATING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION MIGHT NOT BE UP TO DATE. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THESE TAX PARCEL LINES ARE NOT SURVEY QUALITY. SO PEOPLE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE, UM, THE DEFICIENCIES OF THE [01:00:01] DATA THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHEN THEY GO INTO AMA. OKAY. IT'S STILL A VERY POWERFUL TOOL, BUT WE DON'T UPDATE IT, UH, THAT OFTEN. I GOT A QUESTION. YES, SIR. UH, AND THESE, THEY'RE KIND OF QUASI-GOVERNMENT AGENCIES THAT ARE INVOLVED. IS THIS LAND REMOVED FROM THE TAX ROLLS OF CROMACK COUNTY AND I LOOKED THAT UP AND THEY'RE STILL THERE. YEAH. SO LIKE ROCKET LABS IS STILL PAYING TAXES THAT LAND UP THERE THAT THEY REZONED. YEAH. EVEN THOUGH VIRGINIA SPACE OWNS IT, THEY'RE STILL PAYING TAXES TO THE COUNTY. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT. THEY STILL PAY TAXES. IT'S NOT REMOVED. IT'S NOT VIRGINIA SPACE THAT'S PAYING TAXES. THE TENANTS THAT WOULD BE PAYING THE TAXES, WELL, WHO, WHO DETERMINES THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY? UH, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY, THEY, THEY GOT AN ASSESSOR THAT GOES AROUND AN ASSESSOR. IT GOES BY THE SAME THING AS INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD DO. OKAY. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS BECAUSE IT'S GOVERNMENT, WHETHER THEY REMOVED IT OR NOT. YOU KNOW, I DO FIND THIS LAND MORE LIKE SPOT ZONING. I'D UNDERSTAND THAT IT MAY HAVE BEEN USED INDUSTRIAL, BUT IT'S BEEN USED INDUSTRIAL SINCE THE 1970S AND MACK DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON ZONING BACK THEN. BUT, YOU KNOW, CHAIR, IF I COULD ADDRESS THAT. SURE. YEAH. SO TWO THINGS THAT I WOULD SAY ON THIS. ONE IS YOU HIT THE NAIL OF THE HEAD WITH ONE, WHICH IS, IT HAS BEEN INDUSTRIAL, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN INDUSTRIAL, UM, AS FAR AS I KNOW, AS LONG AS I'M ALIVE, AND PROBABLY SOME OF Y'ALL AS WELL. SO, UM, SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, SPOT ZONING AGAIN, IS TO THE BENEFIT OF ONE INDIVIDUAL OR AN ENTITY, PRIVATE ENTITY. WE DON'T, WE ARE DEALING WITH ONE HERE. SO THERE'S NOT ONE PRIVATE ENTITY THAT THIS IS ANNOYING TO THE BENEFIT FOR. UM, AND THEN THE FINAL PIECE OF IT IS THAT IT HAS TO BE, UM, A USE THAT IS COMPLETELY, UM, NOT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS. THIS AREA, OTHER PARCELS AND THE, THE LAGOONS HAVE BEEN USED AGAIN FOR INDUSTRIAL OVER TIME. SO AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IT HAS BEEN FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, NO CHANGE IN USE THERE. SO WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY NOT, UH, TO ONE PERSON, ONE IN PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL, PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL. SO VIRGINIA SPACE IS, IS QUASI-GOVERNMENTAL NOT OWN, NOT A PRIVATE SHAREHOLDER OR ANY INDIVIDUALS THAT OWN THAT ENTITY. THAT'S A STATE ENTITY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT SEAFOOD PLANT? NO. CHAIR. I'VE GOT ONE THING. SURE. I DO WANT TO BRING UP FOR BOTH SITES. SO I, I DID OFTEN, UM, FOLKS DO WANNA KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY OUTREACH. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT REAL QUICK WITH YOU, UH, SPECIFICALLY AT THIS BECAUSE, UM, MRS. SPARKMAN, YOU BROUGHT UP A SCHOOL, UM, EARLIER. MM-HMM. WE HAVE DONE OUTREACH TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. UM, SO THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN ONGOING. YOU SAW THE EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES THAT THEY'RE INSTALLING THERE. THEY'RE LOOKING TO WORK WITH AKIMA COUNTY TO BRING CLASSES IN TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THEM THINGS. UM, THAT KIND OF GOES CONSISTENT WITH NOT REALLY USING HAZARDOUS MATERIALS OR TEST FIRING OR DOING ANYTHING AT THIS SITE. THIS REALLY IS, AS YOU SAW, GONNA BE MOSTLY OFFICES. SO THAT GOES ALSO TO THE VERY MUCH LESS INTENSIVE USE THAN THE INDUSTRIAL THAT WAS THERE BEFORE. MM-HMM . UM, SO I DID WANNA LET YOU KNOW WE HAVE DONE OUTREACH, ESPECIALLY TO THE MAJORITY OWNER. THREE SIDES OF THIS HAS REALLY BEEN, IS OWNED BY ONE FARMER, ONE INDIVIDUAL. WHEN THE KLAN PLANT WAS SOLD TO EHH BY THE SEA, UM, SEA CAN'T REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL FOLKS THAT HAD IT FOREVER. UM, THE FARMLAND WAS SOLD TO A LOCAL FARMER. UM, GENERAL MERCER HAS SAT DOWN WITH THAT LOCAL FARMER. I HAVE SAT DOWN WITH THAT LOCAL FARMER AND HE HAS NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER WITH THIS. SO WE HAVE DONE THAT. WE'VE ALSO REACHED OUT TO MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS AT THE DARBY FARM. WERE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO TOUCH BASE WITH THE LAST COUPLE. SO I DID WANNA LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT AS WELL. SO THE NEIGHBORS AT THE DARBY FARM MM-HMM . ARE, ARE THOSE THE, THE HOUSES? THERE ARE SOME RESIDENCES, UH, ON THE ROAD THERE IN MAXVILLE BY THE SEA SEAFOOD PLANT. MM-HMM . HAS, I MEAN, HAS ANYONE REACHED OUT TO THOSE? WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REACHING OUT TO THEM AS WELL. OKAY. YES MA'AM. ABSOLUTELY. ALL ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, THE COUNTY WILL BE SENDING THE NOTICES TO AS WELL, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR OWN AS WELL. OKAY. DOES THE PROFFERS FOR THIS PROPERTY HAVE MOTOR FUELS INCLUDED IN THAT STATEMENT? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF IT DOES OR NOT, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE, I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY MOTOR FUELS BEING USED HERE. THE TEST FIREARMS PROFITED OUT. UHHUH. SO YOU WOULD TAKE THAT OUT? YEAH, WE, WE WOULD TAKE IT OUT, BUT THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WOULD USE CONDITIONAL USE ANYWAY. SO THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU. BUT I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT HERE AT ALL. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. SPEAKING OF OUTREACH, WBOC, DID YOU SEE THE NEWS ARTICLE HALL? WBOC. OH, MARYLAND IS EXCEEDINGLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HAS ALREADY ENDORSED IT IN SALISBURY. UNBELIEVABLE. WE ARE IN COMPETITION WITH MARYLAND. THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT PASSING THIS PROJECT. [01:05:01] OH, IT WAS ON, IT WAS ON TV. WE'RE BUSY LAYING OFF PEOPLE. ANYWAY. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. STAFF? YES, MA'AM. UH, AS FAR AS THE NOTIFICATIONS, WHAT'S GOING TO THE RESIDENTS FROM VIRGINIA SPACE? IS THAT ALSO BEING REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY? WHAT'S IN THOSE NOTIFICATIONS? NO, WE ARE, WE ARE FOLLOWING STATE CODE WITH REGARDS TO OUR NOTIFICATIONS, MEANING ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND NEWSPAPER, NEWSPAPER ADS. MM-HMM . UM, UH, WE CANNOT REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO DO, UH, TO, TO DO CITIZEN INPUT SESSIONS. MM-HMM . UH, BUT WE DID SUGGEST THAT VERY EARLY ON THAT BECAUSE OF THE MAGNITUDE AND THE SCALE OF, OF THE, ESPECIALLY OF THE DARBY FARM WITH THE USES THAT ARE PROPOSED OUT THERE. MM-HMM . THAT THEY DO SOME SORT OF OUTREACH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU. SO, UM, AS I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, OUR NEXT STEP IS TO, IS TO COMPLETE THE, COMPLETE THE REVIEW. WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS YOU KNOW, OR AS YOU'VE PROBABLY REALIZED, THAT, UH, WE DIDN'T MENTION ANY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ELEMENTS IN THIS. UH, BUT THAT WILL BE COMING, UH, IN YOUR NEXT STAFF REPORT NEXT WEDNESDAY. 'CAUSE WE ARE JUST OVER TWO WEEKS FROM THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT. OKAY. BUT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO, IF YOU THINK OF ANYTHING, PLEASE LET US KNOW. UM, DON'T WAIT TILL THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE CAN TRY TO, WE CAN TRY TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SHEPHERD THOSE ANSWERS AND GET THOSE TO YOU. UH, CHAIRWOMAN WINGFIELD HAD ASKED FOUR QUESTIONS BEFORE, AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET THOSE ANSWERS. AND WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE THOSE FOR YOU ALL BEFORE, UH, BEFORE THE EIGHTH. AND THEY WILL BE IN THE NEXT STAFF REPORT. OKAY. OR WE CAN JUST HAVE 'EM IN THE PUBLIC HEARING WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE HEARS THEM. THAT'S FINE. WILL THERE BE A, WILL THE STAFF, SO I GUESS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING OR AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE WILL NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY TO RECOMMEND WE'RE READY. YEAH. APPROVAL OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL. ARE YOU GONNA GO AHEAD AND PUT IN THE RECOMMEND TO APPROVE IN THERE AND SO WE CAN MOVE ON WITH THIS? OR ARE YOU NOT TONIGHT. NO. I MEAN, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. YES, SIR. OKAY. YEAH. WE'LL MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE, AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. OKAY. UM, I GUESS IF WE HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, SO WE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, I MAKE A MOTION WE ADJOURN. MADAM CHAIRMAN. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.