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BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.[Board of Supervisors on October 15, 2025.]
WOULD PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU'D PUT IT ON SILENT OR VIBRATE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE, OF THE MEETING, THAT'D BE GREAT.UH, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND WITH US FOR OUR INVOCATION AND OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
SUPERVISOR CROCKETT, PLEASE MUST PRAY.
ALLOW US THROUGH OUR WORK THROUGH YOUR WILL.
AMEN TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE REMOTE PARTICIPATION.
WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO ADOPT AGENDA.
AND SECOND, UH, PROPERLY SECONDED.
MS. PROCTOR, WOULD YOU PLEASE GIVE US OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS? YES, SIR.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THE PUBLIC COMMENTS RULES ARE AS FOLLOWS, PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL NOT ADDRESS MATTERS ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA FOR THE DAY.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL ADDRESS MATTERS ON THE CURRENT MEETING AGENDA.
HOWEVER, THE CHAIR SHALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ALLOW COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO AGENDA ITEMS PROVIDED.
DOING SO DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THE TIMELY AND ORDERLY CONDUCT OF THE PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS ON THE AGENDA.
NO INDIVIDUAL SPEAKER SHALL BE PERMITTED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD FOR MORE THAN FOUR MINUTES.
THE CHAIR SHALL ALLOCATE THE TIME AMONG THE SPEAKERS IN AN EQUITABLE MANNER.
INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY SPOKEN ON A SUBJECT AT A PUBLIC HEARING SHALL NOT BE ALLOWED TO READDRESS THE BOARD ON THE SAME SUBJECT DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
SPECIFIC QUESTIONS SHOULD BE RESOLVED PRIOR TO THE MEETING BY CONTACTING A BOARD MEMBER OR THE APPROPRIATE STAFF MEMBER.
ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FOR A PUBLIC MEETING MUST PRESENT THE PRESENTATION 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW FOR APPROPRIATENESS, QUESTION SHALL BE DIRECTED TO THE CHAIR WHO WILL AT HIS DISCRETION SOLICIT THE, THE RESPONSE FROM THE APPROPRIATE PERSON OR PERSONS.
THE BOARD SHALL NOT USE INAPPROPRIATE OR THREATENING LANGUAGE OR VERBALLY ATTACK ANY BOARD MEMBER OR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
THE CHAIR SHALL DIRECT ANY PERSON WHOSE BEHAVIOR IS VIOLENT, DISRUPT, OR DISRUPTIVE TO LEAVE THE MEETING ROOM IMMEDIATELY.
THE CHAIR HAS THE RIGHT AND DUTY TO MAINTAIN PROPER ORDER IN ACCORDANCE WITH THESE RULES.
UH, WE HAVE TWO SIGNED UP FOR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, DAVID COLER.
IS THAT CORRECT? I SAY IT CORRECT.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE, FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.
HELLO, MY NAME IS DAVID KUGLER.
I RESIDE IN, UH, 26 3 0 2 OAK RIDGE DRIVE, UH, SPRING, TEXAS.
UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU, UH, THIS EVENING.
UM, AS I SAID, MY NAME IS DAVID KUGLER.
I'M PRESIDENT OF MARK DANA CORPORATION.
UH, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, WE DEVELOPED, BUILT AND MANAGE MACK MANOR.
MACK MANOR IS AN AFFORDABLE, UH, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT FOR LOW TO MODERATE INCOME, UH, SENIORS, UH, 55, AGE 55 AND OLDER.
UH, THIS EVENING I'D LIKE TO, UH, COVER, UH, ABOUT THREE THINGS.
UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MARK DANA, AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, MACK MANOR, ITS DEVELOPMENT, UH, MISSION AND AND FINANCING.
UM, I AM HERE TO REQUEST, UH, YOUR APPROVAL, UH, WITH RESPECT TO RESTRUCTURING A-C-D-B-G, UH, FUNDS THAT WERE GIVEN TO THE COUNTY BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR ACUMATIC MANOR, UM, TO OPERATE MACK MANOR SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE MACK MANOR THE WAY WE'VE OPERATED FOR THE LAST 18 YEARS.
UM, AND, UM, FINALLY, MY REQUEST THIS EVENING IS, UH, THAT YOU ADOPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO PROVIDE AN EXTENSION, UH, OF THE CDBG NOTE UNTIL THE END OF JANUARY NEXT YEAR TO ALLOW US SOME TIME TO, UH, DISCUSS THE BEST OPTIONS AND COME UP WITH A, A, A PLAN THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO EVERYONE.
UM, MARK DANA IS A FAMILY OWNED, UH, COMPANY FOUNDED BY MY PARENTS, DAVE AND MARJORIE KLER.
UH, THEY WERE BORN IN VIRGINIA, UH, IN ON FARMS IN WESTVILLE AND, UH, WAYNESBORO, UH, AREAS OF VIRGINIA.
UH, AFTER GRADUATING FROM VIRGINIA TECH, UH, MY FATHER HAD A SUCCESSFUL CAREER IN THE MINING INDUSTRY.
AND, UH, WHEN HE RETIRED, HE MOVED BACK TO, TO VIRGINIA AND FOUNDED MARK
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DANA, UH, TO DEVELOP, BUILD, MANAGE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS A WAY TO GET BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.UH, WE DEVELOPED AFFORDABLE HOUSING USING THE FEDERAL HOUSING TAX CREDIT PRIMARILY.
UH, THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM WAS SIGNED INTO LAW IN THE EIGHTIES, AND MY PARENTS, UH, DEVELOPED SOME OF THE FIRST TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENTS IN THE COMMONWEALTH.
UH, WE NOW DEVELOP, UH, IN TEXAS AND VIRGINIA.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT MARK DANA HAS NOT SOLD ANY OF THE PROPERTIES THAT IT'S DEVELOPED.
UM, INSTEAD WE CHOOSE TO, UH, APPLY FOR ADDITIONAL TAX CREDITS AND RENOVATE THEM SO WE CAN KEEP THEM AFFORDABLE FOR THE LONG TERM.
MC MANOR WAS FINANCED WITH TWO, TWO SOURCES.
ONE, UH, 9% HOUSING TAX CREDITS THAT WE, UM, UH, WERE AWARDED BY THE VIRGINIA HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, UH, ON, UH, ON POINTS, UH, COMPETITIVE POINTS, UH, BASED APPLICATION BASIS.
AND THEN THE SECOND SOURCE WERE THE CDBG FUNDS THAT WERE AWARDED FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO THE COUNTY FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, ALSO THROUGH A COMPETITIVE APPLICATION PROCESS, UH, DHCD, THE COUNTY AND MARK DANA WORKED TOGETHER TO STRUCTURE THE CDBG FUNDS, UH, FROM THE COUNTY TO ACK MANOR AS A LOAN IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE THE FUNDS TO THE PROJECT.
UM, THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN DHCD AND ACK COUNTY PROVIDES THAT SO LONG AS ACK MANOR CONTINUES TO SERVE LOW AND MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS FOR 20 YEARS AFTER THE INITIAL DATE OF OCCUPANCY, THE COUNTY WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO REPAY THE CDBG FUNDS TO DHCD WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF D-D-H-C-D AND, UH, AND ECAC COUNTY.
UM, MACK MANOR WAS NOT EXPECTED TO PAY BACK THE CDBG LOAN IN ORDER THAT MACK MANOR COULD KEEP THE RENTS LOW AS POSSIBLE.
THERE'S A LETTER IN YOUR BOARD PACKAGE THAT, THAT, THAT COVERS THAT.
IF YOU WRAP THAT UP, CAN I, YOU CAN WRAP THAT UP.
UM, SO FINALLY, YOU KNOW, THE UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IF THE COUNTY DID NOT HAVE TO REPAY THE FUNDS, THEN ACKMAN MANOR, UH, THEN THE COUNTY WOULD WORK WITH MATIC MANOR TO RESTRUCTURE THE NOTES SO THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO KEEP THE RENTS LOW WITHOUT THE BURDEN OF THE NOTE.
SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH YOU TO FIND THE BEST SOLUTION, UH, AND WE REQUEST THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO PROVIDE AN EXTENSION OF THE NOTE UNTIL THE END OF JANUARY NEXT YEAR, AGAIN, TO ALLOW US TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST, UH, WAY TO BEST PATH FORWARD.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ADDRESS, I DON'T THINK SO.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND, UH, ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
2 4 3 3 7 MAXWELL STREET, PARKLEY, VIRGINIA.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT.
I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING MACK COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY AS BOTH AN ACTING FIRE MEDIC TWO, AND UNION PRESIDENT.
I'M HERE TONIGHT IN REGARDS TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEM 5.6, WHICH INCLUDES ELIMINATION OF PAYROLL DEDUCTION FOR MEMBERS OF THE AC LOCAL CHAPTER OF THE IAFF.
WE FEEL THAT THIS IS THE WRONG TIME TO DISAVOW OUR CONNECTION TO THE COUNTY WHEN SERIOUS CONCERNS EXIST.
IN REGARDS TO MEMBERS OF OUR DEPARTMENT AND THEIR PAY, MY PEERS HAVE ELECTED ME TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF IN REGARDS TO THIS CONCERN.
NOW, HISTORICALLY, MY DEPARTMENT HAS HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BOARD.
WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN TREATED FAIRLY, AND WE COME TODAY, FIRST OFF, AND THANKS FOR THE RAISES THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FOLLOWING THE PAY STUDY.
OUR CONCERNS INSTEAD ARE QUITE SIMPLE, THOUGH, PERHAPS MISUNDERSTOOD.
WE ARE NOT HERE TODAY SEEKING A RAISE FOR OUR MEMBERS.
WE ARE SIMPLY TRYING TO POINT OUT A PAY INEQUALITY THAT EXISTS AMONG SOME OF OUR MEMBERS IN HOPES THAT THEY WILL BE CORRECTED.
LEMME FIRST GENERALIZE THE MAKEUP OF OUR DEPARTMENT TO BETTER EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN OUR CONCERNS.
WE HAVE THREE LEVELS OF MEDICAL CERTIFICATION THAT DICTATE EMPLOYEE PAY.
WE HAVE EMT BASIC ADVANCED EMTS AND EMT PARAMEDICS.
THE HIGHER LEVEL, THE HIGHER THE PAY GENERALLY.
OUR ISSUE IS THAT SOME MEMBERS WHO ARE ACHIEVING OR HAVE ACHIEVED THESE HIGHER LEVELS OF CERTIFICATION ARE NOT BEING PAID THE SAME AS OTHERS AT THOSE SAME LEVELS.
WE HAVE FIVE ADVANCED EMTS WHO ARE MAKING APPROXIMATELY 18 K LESS THAN THE REST.
WE HAVE SEVERAL PARAMEDICS WHO ARE MAKING SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THEIR PEERS.
SOME ADVANCED EMTS ARE MAKING LESS THAN SOME OF OUR EMT BASICS.
AND ONE OF OUR PARAMEDICS IS MAKING APPROXIMATELY $20,000 LESS THAN HER PEERS EVEN CONSIDERING TIME SERVED.
THE NUMBERS ARE WAY OFF, AND THE DISCREPANCIES OBVIOUS.
THE ISSUE IS GLARING WHEN THE NUMBERS ARE CRUNCHED.
THESE ARE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE AGREED TO TAKE ON ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF RESPONSIBILITY, RISK, AND EXPOSURE, AND THEY ARE BEING PAID LESS THAN THE OTHERS WHO ARE DOING THE EXACT SAME JOB WITH THE EXACT SAME CERTIFICATIONS.
THIS ISSUE IS WELL KNOWN TO THE HR DEPARTMENT AND THE COUNTY SUPERVISOR AS WE'VE BEEN IN NEAR CONSTANT EMAIL CONTACT WITH THEM.
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FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, MOSTLY OF OUR, OUR EMAILS HAVE BEEN MET WITH BROAD SWEEPING GENERALITIES AND RESPONSE, OFTEN VAGUE AND NEVER ADDRESSING THE ISSUE ITSELF.IT WAS OUR HOPES, AND IT WAS DEED HINTED TO US THAT AT THE CLOSED DOOR MEETING HELD BY THE COUNTY OFFICIALS ON THE SECOND OF THIS MONTH, THAT THIS ISSUE WOULD BE ADDRESSED.
THE ISSUE, HOWEVER, WAS NEVER MENTIONED.
AND INSTEAD TO OUR SURPRISE, THE BOARD VOTED TO ABOLISH OUR UNION CONNECTION.
INSTEAD, YOU CAN IMAGINE OUR CONFUSION AND IS HENCE MY REASON FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
I THINK THE ISSUE IS A SIMPLE MISUNDERSTANDING.
I WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THAT IS THE CASE, AS DO MY FELLOW FI UH, FIRE MEDICS.
SO MY AIM TODAY IS SIMPLE TO VOICE OUT LOUD THE CONCERNS WE HAVE IN HOPES THAT AT THE VERY LEAST, A DIALOGUE CAN BEGIN TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
MYSELF AND OTHERS HAVE TRIED TO IMPRESS THE URGENCY BEHIND OUR CONCERNS AS WE DO WONDER HOW LONG OUR WORKMATES WILL CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME JOB AS THEIR PEERS FOR LESS PAY BEFORE THEY LEAVE.
IF WE DON'T CORRECT THESE ISSUES, I'M SURE THE NEXT TIME I'M HERE TO SPEAK, IT WILL BE TO REPORT OF THE DEPARTURE OF THESE MEDICS.
THEY WILL GO TO VIRGINIA BEACH, TO NORFOLK, TO POMO, AND TO SALISBURY, WHERE AT THE VERY LEAST, THEY WILL BE PAID THE SAME AS THEIR COWORKERS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, I WOULDN'T BLAME THEM.
I BELIEVE IN THIS DEPARTMENT, SO MUCH SO THAT I HAVEN'T PLANTED MY ENTIRE LIFE HERE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS DEPARTMENT THAT I WORK FOR IS FINALLY ON PAR WITH THOSE AFOREMENTIONED PLACES AND BOSLEY, I THINK THAT THEY ARE EVEN SUCCEEDING THOSE PLACES.
I MENTIONED A-C-D-P-S IS BECOMING A SERIOUS FIRE DEPARTMENT, PROVIDING A SERIOUS SERVICE, ONE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE WORKING AT.
WE MUST SOLVE THIS ISSUE OR WATCH OUR PROGRESS TURN TO DUST.
WE SIMPLY ASK THAT THE MEMBERS OF OUR DEPARTMENT WHO ARE BEING PAID LESS THAN THEIR COWORKERS TO DO THE VERY SAME JOB, TO TAKE THE VERY SAME RISKS AND TO TAKE ON THE VERY SAME RESPONSIBILITIES, BE PAID EQUALLY.
AND AUDIENCE IS ALL OUR REQUEST TO BETTER ELUCIDATE OUR CONCERNS IN FINER DETAIL, TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS BENEFITING FROM THE PAY STUDY FOR WHICH WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL.
UM, THREE, ONE, UH, CONSIDER MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER TEENTH.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION PROPERLY SECONDED TO, UH, UH, CONSIDER THE MINUTES.
UH, I HOPE EVERYBODY'S, I EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE HAD TIME TO LOOK AT THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR YES SIR.
I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE 5.6, PLEASE.
UH, IS THAT THE, WERE YOU GONNA PASS THE VA OR, OH, I WASN'T GONNA, OKAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION EXCEPT FOR 5.66 THAT WE MAKE THE, I MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE REST OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A, UH, MOTION PROPERLY SECONDED TO, UM, APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ALL OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, NOW WE WILL TALK ABOUT FIVE SIX.
CONSIDER CHANGING THE COUNTY'S PERSONAL POLICIES.
7 1 2 0 2 4 2 1 4 19 AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PERSONAL COMMITTEE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE NOW FOR, FOR I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE, UH, PERSONNEL COMMITTEE.
THIS WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE PERSON PERSONNEL COMMITTEE IN OUR LAST MEETING AND WITH, UH, UH, MS. PROCTOR, A COUNTY ATTORNEY, A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HERE.
UH, WHAT ISSUE IS THERE WITH THE, UH, THERE'S SEVERAL, THERE'S SEVERAL ITEMS IN THERE.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION THAT I WAS GONNA, I, I HAD THE QUESTION.
THE GRIEVANCE POLICY AND, AND NO, MS. PROC, LET, LET'S GO THROUGH 'EM ALL THEN.
MS. PROCTOR, UH, IF I, IF YOU NEED TO CORRECT ME, UH, CORRECT ME.
UH, GRIEVANCE POLICY 7 0 1 IS A, UH, IS A HOUSEKEEPING CHARGE, CORRECT? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TO, UH, IT'S TO COMPLY WITH STATE CODE.
UH, THE PROBATIONARY PERIOD, PERIOD IS BASICALLY A CHANGE IN DPS, UH, PROBATIONARY PERIOD.
EVERYBODY ELSE IS IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT.
THEREFORE, PROBATIONARY OCCURRED WAS 12 MONTHS.
EVERYBODY ELSE WITH COUNTY, UH, COUNTY EMPLOYEES WAS SIX WAS SIX MONTHS.
SO THIS WOULD CHANGE MAKE EVERYBODY LEVEL.
THE TBS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES WOULD, WOULD REVERT TO, UM, SIX, SIX MONTHS.
AND THE POLICIES PERTAIN INTO PAYROLL DEDUCTIONS.
AND THIS WAS BASICALLY, I THINK IT WAS TWO ISSUES.
ONE WAS THE, UH, YMCA, NO ONE'S RECEIVED A, THERE'S NO DEDUCTION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY GET A BETTER RATE IF THEY CAN GO THERE INDIVIDUALLY AS THEY WOULD WITH US.
AND WITH THE, UM, UH, WITH THE DEDUCTION FOR, UM, UH, FOR THE UNION, UH, IN SPEAKING WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, THE COUNTY HAS NOT RECOGNIZED UNIONS.
I MEAN THE, THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.
AND THIS MAKES IT APPEAR THAT WE DO, IF WE ALLOW, UH, A PAYROLL DEDUCTION, IT, IT'S, IT'S APPEAR, IT APPEARS
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THAT WE ARE RECOGNIZING THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.AND BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION WITH, UH, THE, UH, COUNTY ATTORNEY, IT'S BEST, UH, TO, TO CHANGE THAT SO THAT IT'S NOT DEDUCTED.
AND THIS WOULD GIVE THEM, THEY WOULD WORK WITH STAFF AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SIT IN PLACE PAYMENT ON THEIR OWN, UH, DIRECTLY TO THE UNION.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE, UH, AND THE PERSONNEL COMMITTEE WITH UNANIMOUS IN ALL THREE OF THESE, UH, CHANGES.
MS. CHAIRMAN? YES, MS. STEWART? UM, MY CO MY COMMENTS ARE ABOUT NUMBER ONE.
I, MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE, UM, THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING THING.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT AND I DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE, UH, HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN INTO PLACE? HOW LONG HAS THAT DEDUCTION BEEN IN PLACE? A LONG TIME.
MY POINT IS, THE SCHOOL BOARD ALLOWS V-E-A-N-E-A AND A EA TO BE DEDUCTED.
NEVER HAD A, NOTHING'S EVER COME ABOUT, ABOUT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING WITH THAT.
THE COUNTY HAS HAD THIS IN PLACE FOR A LONG TIME, AND I'M JUST, IT JUST STRUCK A CHORD WHEN I READ THIS, THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN, IF YOU GET A DEDUCTION FROM AN ORGANIZATION THAT IT'S, IT MEANS THAT IT'S GONNA SHOVE YOU AND SAY YOU'RE TRYING TO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T BUY THAT.
SO, UH, MY POINT IS, WHY ARE WE, WHY ARE WE REMOVING SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS IF THERE'S BEEN NO TROUBLE, NO PROBLEMS, NOTHING.
BECAUSE AS I SAID, UH, IN THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE E-A-D-E-A-N-E-A, THEY'VE BEEN TAKEN OUT FOR 40, 50, 60 YEARS, NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
THE COUNTY ITSELF WOULD HAVE TO VOTE FOR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.
YOU CAN'T JUST, IT CAN'T JUST HAPPEN.
THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT.
SO THAT BOTHERS ME A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE TAKING THINGS AWAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THINGS AWAY.
I, I DON'T SEE ANY, I DIDN'T SEE ANY PROBLEM, SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO DISCUSS IT, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T SEE ANY, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM, AND I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, MAYBE JAN CAN CORRECT ME OR MAYBE SHE CAN HELP ME, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY HAVING A DEDUCTION TAKEN FROM YOUR PAYCHECK FOR AN ORGANIZATION IS GONNA MAKE YOU, IS GONNA MAKE COLLECTIVE BARGAIN COME IN, ARE GONNA FORCE SOMETHING DOWN THE COUNTY'S THROAT.
I MEAN, AREN'T THERE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE TAKE OUT, WE TAKE AT BENEFITS FAR? IS THAT THE ONE? NONE.
AND THIS, BUT THE V THE SCHOOL BOARD DOES.
YOU CAN COME TO THE PODIUM WITH KATHY.
I CAN'T SPEAK DIRECTLY FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD OTHER THAN THE UNDERSTANDING THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE ORGANIZATIONS, RIGHT? IT, IT COVERS, I BELIEVE EVERYBODY, EVERY CLASS WITHIN THE SCHOOL BOARD EMPLOYEES HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN ONE OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS.
WHEREAS HERE, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ONE ORGANIZATION AVAILABLE ONLY TO ONE DEPARTMENT, AND NONE OF THE OTHER WORKFORCE HAVE THE SAME KIND OF ARRANGEMENT AS IT RELATES TO PROFESSIONAL DUES, ET CETERA.
NO DEPARTMENTS, UH, NONE OF THEM.
YEAH, I WAS, I'LL JUST MAY THIS IS SO NO ORGAN, NO.
UM, OTHER ENTITY HAS PROFESSIONAL DUES.
I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT, UH, WHERE PAYROLL DEDUCTION CAN BE UTILIZED FOR MEMBERSHIP DUES.
RON BROCK, YOU WERE A MEMBER WHEN YOU WERE SHERIFF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
YOU WERE A MEMBER OF SOME ORGANIZATION THAT WASN'T TAKEN OUT OF YOUR CHECK.
IT WASN'T NO, IT WAS, IT WASN'T LUCK.
WE PAY THE ASSOCIATION, THE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE COUNTY, THROUGH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE PAID FOR US TO BE A MEMBER OF THE ASSOCIATION.
BUT IT WASN'T A UNION, THE ASSOCIATION, THE JUST, JUST LIKE THE, UH, THE COUNTY, UH, THE VACO, IT'S NOT A UNION.
SO, UH, SO THERE, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE THERE.
AND, AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, YEAH, YOU'RE FINE.
IF, IF I, I KNOW WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS BEFORE WITH THIS.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, WHEN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, UH, RECOMMENDS THAT WE, WE TAKE ACTION OR ELIMINATE SOMETHING THAT'S TELL, THAT TELLS ME THAT WE SHOULDN'T WAIT UNTIL WE DO HAVE AN ISSUE.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE MORE AND MORE WE HEAR ABOUT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING IN THE VIRGINIA, IT COMES UP FOR VOTES ALL THE TIME.
BUT I SAID THE BOARD HAS TO VOTE ON IT.
BUT THIS CLEARLY, THIS CLEARLY FOR ME, GIVES A PERCEPTION THAT IN SOME WAY WE
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RECOGNIZE IT WHEN WE ALLOW DUES TO BE TAKEN OUT OF PAYROLL.CAN I HAVE JAM? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK BECAUSE YOU JUST, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WAS GONNA SAY.
YOU HAD THE LEGAL ASPECT OF THAT.
YEAH, I WANTED HEARING ALL OF IT.
AND, AND THE REASON IS, THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES THAT I'VE WITNESSED WHERE FIRE EMPLOYEES SEEM TO THINK THAT THEY ARE, THEY ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE A UNION REPRESENTATIVE AT THEIR MEETINGS WITH, UH, HR OR WITH THE, WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
AND I THINK YOU THIS COUNTY OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IN OTHER PART THE STATE? I'M TALKING ABOUT AAC IN AAC.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK YOUR POINT THAT YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON COLLECTIVE BARGAINING IS CORRECT, BUT EMPLOYEES DON'T KNOW THAT.
AND SO THEY ARE NOT AWARE OF THE LAW.
AND THIS PROVISION GIVES THEM THE FALSE IMPRESSION THAT WE ENDORSE OR SUPPORT UNIONS.
SO IS THIS REMOVING OF THIS PUNITIVE, IT'S NOT PUNITIVE AT ALL.
THEY JUST PAY THE DUES DIRECTLY.
NO, BUT I MEAN, IS IT PUNITIVE TO REMOVE IT? NO.
IT'S, IT'S, SO FIRE EMPLOYEES ARE NOT MISLED.
THEY ARE NOT LED TO BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BRING UNION REPRESENTATIVES TO MEETINGS AND OTHER, OTHER TYPES OF, OF PUBLIC GATHERINGS OR ANYTHING WHERE THEY WANT REPRESENTATION FROM THE UNION.
THEY TEND TO, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT SOME OF THEM TEND TO THINK THAT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S THEIR UNION.
BECAUSE THEY'VE PAID, THEY'VE SEEN THAT PAYROLL DEDUCTION.
IT GIVES A FALSE IMPRESSION THAT WE HAVE ENDORSED THAT UNION.
IT DOESN'T HURT THEM AT ALL TO TAKE THIS OUT OF THE PERSONNEL MANUAL BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY PAY THE DUES THEMSELVES AS, AS SHERIFF'S.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S BEEN THERE.
ORGANIZATION, IT'S JUST BEEN THERE MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND WE'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM.
BUT IT IS STARTING TO BE A PROBLEM.
AND, AND IN PAST YEARS, WE DIDN'T HAVE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AS AN OPTION FOR THE BOARD.
IT IS NOW AN OPTION THAT YOU COULD, IF THE BOARD VOTES FOR IT.
YOU THINK, WELL, NEVERMIND, I'LL KEEP MY OPINION TO MYSELF ABOUT THIS BOARD.
BUT YOU REALLY THINK THAT'S AN OPTION WITH THESE NON LOOKING NO, NO.
AND, AND NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND SO TAKING OUT THE DUES NOW THAT IT IS A LEGAL OPTION GIVES, AND THERE'S NO OTHER ORGANIZATION EXCEPT FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD.
THERE'S NO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, ACCORDING ASSOCIATIONS, ORGANIZATIONS AT ALL EXCEPT FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD.
THEY'RE NOT LISTED IN, IN THE MANUAL.
SO JUST THE SCHOOL BOARD, RIGHT? NO, WE DON'T EVEN, WE DON'T DEAL WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.
I KNOW THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET THAT.
UM, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN HERE ON FIVE SIX? UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, AS BEING THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PERSONNEL COMMITTEE, I, UM, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CHAIR, THE PERSONNEL COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE APPROVE THE CHANGE.
UH, HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND HERE.
UH, POLICY PERTAINING TO PAYROLL DEDUCTIONS POLICY IS 1419 AND 4 21.
TO REMOVE THOSE, UH, 14, 19 14 21, HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
ALL IN FAVOR? A ALL OPPOSED? NO.
MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE GO FORWARD, ARE WE GONNA DO ANYTHING WITH THIS? CAN WE, HERE'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS.
CAN WE REFER THIS TO MIKE SEARAY AND THE PERSONNEL COMMITTEE TO COME BACK WITH, TO LOOK THIS OVER? SINCE IT WAS PRES, IT WAS VERY WELL PRESENTED.
BUT HAVE THEM LOOK IT OVER AND COME BACK WITH THEIR ABSOLUTELY.
HAVE THAT, MIKE, IF THEY ALL WOULDN'T MIND.
ANYBODY OBJECT TO THAT? NO, ABSOLUTELY.
YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION? UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
IF YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION, THAT'S FINE.
JUST THAT WE, SO THAT WAY IT'S OFFICIAL A MOTION THAT THE, THAT WE HAVE A MOTION ON TABLE.
THE MOTION IS THAT WE GIVE THIS TO PERSONNEL COMMITTEE STAFF, AND CRAY AND MIKE TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THOUGHTS ON THIS.
WITH THE REPORT, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MOTION.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED? AND THAT MOTION CARRIES AS WELL.
SHOULD I HAVE, SHOULD I HAVE MADE A MOTION EARLIER? NOT YET.
NO COMMITTEE REPORTS, NO PUBLIC OFFICIALS REPORTS.
OLD BUSINESS, UM, DISCUSSION OUR PROPOSED BOUNDARY LINES OR, UM, BLA, UM, FROM THE, AND ALSO TO CONSIDER ACCEPTING THE TIME OF A HANCOX, BLA WITHDRAWAL LETTER.
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MR. MASON.CHAIRMAN PHILLIPS, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MIKE MASON, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
SO, UH, BASICALLY WHAT THIS AGENDA ITEM IS ABOUT IS A CONTINUANCE OF A DISCUSSION THAT WAS STARTED AT, WELL, ACTUALLY STARTED WELL BEFORE YOUR LAST MEETING, BUT, UM, THAT WAS THE LAST, UH, TIME THAT THIS ISSUE WAS BROUGHT UP AND DISCUSSED AMONG THE BOARD MEMBERS.
UH, SO A BIT OF RE RECENT HISTORY.
UM, ON SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2025, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT REQUESTED BY THE TIME OF AN C**K.
UH, DISCUSSIONS ON IT WERE HELD AND ULTIMATELY THE BOARD VOTED ON THIS DATE TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS UNTIL TONIGHT'S MEETING.
UH, SINCE THEN, ON OCTOBER 9TH, 2025, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR RECEIVED AN EMAIL REQUEST FROM THE IN C**K TOWN MANAGER IN INDICATING THE TOWN WAS WITHDRAWING.
ITS BLA REQUEST FROM CONSIDERATION.
UH, SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE MOST IMPORTANT, UM, UH, TRANSACTION, IF YOU WILL, THAT TOOK PLACE SINCE, UH, SINCE THE SEPTEMBER MEETING.
UH, ASSUMING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS RECEPTIVE TO THE TOWN'S WITHDRAWAL REQUEST, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR RECOMMENDS THE BOARD ACCEPT IT BY FORMAL VOTE, WHICH WILL CONCLUDE THIS MATTER.
SHOULD THE TOWN SEEK TO RESUBMIT THE BLA REQUEST IN THE FUTURE, THE ENTIRE PROCESS PRESCRIBED BY THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, INCLUDING PUBLIC ADVERTISEMENTS, HEARINGS, LETTERS TO IMPACTED PROPERTY OWNERS, ET CETERA, WILL NEED TO BE REINITIATED.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? IF NOT, THEN, UH, THAT IS MY DISTRICT, EVEN THOUGH I'M THE CHAIR.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT BATTALION'S, REQUEST TO WITHDRAW THE BOUNDARY LINE AND ADJUSTMENT, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND I'M THE NEIGHBOR IN, UH, DISTRICT AND I SECOND THAT.
THEY WANTED TO READ THE RESOLUTION ON FIVE SEVEN.
UM, YOU WANT SUPERVISOR JOHNSON WANT, WANT TO DO THAT? LET'S DO THAT WITH SUPERVISOR COMMENT, PERIOD.
RECEIVE UPDATE FROM RECENT DEVELOPMENT IMPACTING THE BOARD'S DIRECTIVE TO PURSUE A ROUTE, UH, 1 75 SMART SCALE APPLICATION.
UH, MR.
WE EVER GONNA GET THAT FILLED? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MEMBERS OF THE, UM, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, LEE PAM, THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS YOU HAD MENTIONED, I'VE GOT SEVERAL ITEMS. THIS IS GONNA BE THE FIRST OF SEVERAL.
UM, I'M BRINGING TO YOU TONIGHT AN UPDATE ON THE VDOT SMART SCALE APPLICATION ROUND SEVEN, WHICH IS, UH, SET TO TAKE PLACE IN 2026.
AND, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE, THE PLANNING STAFF ATTENDED A MEETING AT VOT ON, UH, ON SEPTEMBER 23RD WITH THE LOCAL RESIDENCY AND THE, AND THE, UH, HAMPTON ROADS DISTRICT STAFF FROM ACROSS THE BAY, UH, AAC NORTH HAMPTON TI THE PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION, AS WELL AS THE, UH, EASTERN SHORE VIRGINIA RAIL TRAIL WERE ALL REPRESENTED.
UH, AND THERE WERE SEVERAL, UH, SEVERAL REASONS FOR THAT.
UH, FOR THAT MEETING, VDOT WANTED TO CONVENE THAT TO COLLABORATE WITH LOCALITIES TO DETERMINE LOCATIONS FOR POTENTIAL APPLICATIONS FOR SMART, UH, SMART SCALE ROUND SEVEN.
THEY ALSO WANTED TO EXPLAIN THE SMART SCALE APPLICATION CRITERIA TO, TO, UH, TO THOSE, UH, LOCALITIES PRESENT.
THEY ALSO WANTED TO DISCUSS LESSONS LEARNED FROM PREVIOUS SMART SCALE ROUNDS IN ORDER AND TO, UH, IN ORDER TO HELP LOCALITIES CREATE SUCCESSFUL APPLICATIONS.
SO THEY PRESENTED, UH, UH, A SLIDE DECK THAT WAS ATTACHED TO YOUR, UH, UH, TO YOUR, UM, ONLINE AGENDA ITEM THERE.
AND WHAT THEY DID WAS THAT THEY RANKED, UH, UH, SEVERAL OF THE MOST PROBLEMATIC INTERSECTIONS ON THE EASTERN SHORE.
WHAT THEY ALSO DID WAS THAT THEY IDENTIFIED A, UH, PROJECT COST RANGE OR A SWEET SPOT OF ABOUT 10, UH, 10 TO $15 MILLION FOR THE MOST FAVORED PROJECTS IN TERMS OF COST AND BENEFIT.
SO WHAT THEY FOUND WAS THAT THAT 10 TO $15 MILLION, UH, UH, THOSE 10 TO $15 MILLION REQUESTS TENDED TO BE THE MOST FAVORABLE, FAVORABLE IN TERMS OF COST AND BENEFIT OF NOTE IN THOSE RANKINGS, WAS THAT NO SECTION OF
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ROUTE 1 75 WAS RANKED? THAT WAS OUR APPLICATION IN, UH, 2024 FOR ROUND SIX.IF YOU RECALL, ALSO, IF YOU RECALL, THAT ESTIMATED PROJECT COST WAS $103 MILLION MM-HMM
WELL OUTSIDE OF THAT SWEET SPOT.
SO, UH, WE WANTED TO, UH, BRING THIS AGENDA ITEM TO YOU TO ASK FOR SOME, UH, SOME GUIDANCE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD APPLY FOR A ROUTE 1 75 APPLICATION IN ROUND SEVEN, SOME FACTS AND FIGURES THAT, UH, THAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH.
THERE WAS AN INITIAL BALLPARK ESTIMATE PRIOR TO ANY STUDIES BEING DONE BY KIMLEY HORN, WHO IS OUR, UH, UM, UH, TRANSPORTATION CONSULTANT, TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS, UH, RIGHT THERE IN THE MEETING.
HE WAS ASKED, WELL, WHAT WOULD BE THE BALLPARK FIGURE? AGAIN, INITIAL ESTIMATE OF ABOUT $30 MILLION WITHOUT HAVING DONE THE FIRST STUDY.
UH, THAT APPLICATION WOULD'VE BEEN SCALED DOWN FROM OUR 2024 APPLICATION TO THREE INTERSECTIONS BETWEEN CORD TOWN AND FLEMING ROADS.
AND THE PREMISE FOR THAT, UH, APPLICATION WOULD SHIFT FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO CONGESTION AND SAFETY.
SO, IF YOU RECALL FROM THAT APPLICATION IN 2024, WE WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WIDE LOADS, UH, UH, BOUND FOR WALLOPS ISLAND WOULD GET TO WALLOPS ISLAND, GIVEN THE CURRENT ROAD CONDITIONS.
SO, UH, WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, SLOOP, GUT DREDGING PROJECT, ROUTE 1 75 BECOMES LESS OF A FACTOR IN TERMS OF, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO SHIP FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO CONGESTION AND SAFETY, WHICH IS ALWAYS GONNA BE VDO T'S PRIMARY CONCERN.
UH, COST FOR A ROUND SEVEN APPLICATION THIS TIME WOULD BE ABOUT $45,000.
THAT LAST APPLICATION WAS AROUND 26 TO 27,000, AS YOU SAW IN YOUR, UH, IN YOUR PACKET.
THIS IS THE CHART THAT RANKS THE 11 MOST PROBLEMATIC INTERSECTIONS ON THE EASTERN SHORE.
ONE AND FOUR ARE X MORE IN CAPE CHARLES, AND THEY ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.
AND NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS TALY.
UM, RIGHT THERE AT THE, UH, UH, UH, AT THE BOAT DEALERSHIP, UH, AT DORY.
DORY ROAD HAS ALREADY BEEN FUNDED WITH THESE REDUCED CONFLICT U-TURNS OR R CUTS.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE FOUR REMAINING INTERSECTIONS THAT FEATURED FATALITIES, UNFORTUNATELY.
BUT, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE SCORES AND THE RANKINGS HERE.
IF YOU LOOKED AT THE SLIDE DECK BEFOREHAND, VDOT PRESENTED THOSE FROM NORTH TO SOUTH.
BUT WHAT THE STAFF HAS DONE IS RANKED THEM IN ACTUAL RANK ORDER FROM ONE TO 11.
ONE OF THE OTHER FACTS THAT, UH, THAT CAME TO, UH, TO OUR ATTENTION FROM THE, UH, FROM THE DISTRICT AND THE RESIDENCY STAFF, WAS THAT ANY CAUSEWAY IMPROVEMENTS TO ROUTE 1 75 WOULD NOT BE COST EFFECTIVE.
YOU WOULD, THEY, THEY INDICATED THAT IT WOULD BE FAR TOO EXPENSIVE WITH MINIMAL IMPACT.
ALSO, THAT PART OF THE, UH, THAT PART OF ROUTE 1 75 IS NOT DESIGNATED ON THE V TRANS MIDTERM PRIORITIES.
UM, AT THIS POINT, STAFF RECOMMENDS PIVOTING FROM APPLYING FOR ANOTHER ROUTE 1 75 PROJECT TO ONE OF THE ABOVE REFERENCED OR PREVIOUSLY REFERENCED PROJECTS HERE, OR INTERSECTIONS HERE.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I CAN FIELD ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OF COURSE, THE FIRST ONE ON THERE WOULD BE A NORTHAMPTON ISSUE, RIGHT? ONE QUESTION I HAVE, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
JUST, JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UH, LEE IS VDOT IS SAYING NO TO 1 75 ABOUT ANYTHING WE CAN APPLY, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA SCORE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THE MEDIA GETS THIS.
IT IS NOT ACK COUNTY SAYING, NO, IT'S V UP.
IT'S SAYING IF YOU PUT ANY FUND, IF YOU PUT ANY REQUEST FOR 1 75, IT'S NOT GONNA BE APPROVED, BASICALLY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR.
AND MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD FOLLOW UP WITH, WITH MR. CROCKETT'S STATEMENT, AND MR. PAM, I KNOW YOU, UH, WORK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COUNTY.
SO WOULD YOU, UM, GENERALIZE AND SAY WE EXPECT INCREASED TRAFFIC ON ROUTE 1 75 AND SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN THE WALLOPS AIR STATION AND WALLOPS ISLAND IN THAT AREA, UH, BETWEEN THE FLIGHT FACILITY AND THE ISLAND ITSELF WOULD ACTUALLY BE ATLANTIC ROAD? WELL, IT CROSSES 1 75.
IT DOES CROSS 1 75 RIGHT AT THE, AT THE ROYAL FARMS AND THE OCEAN DE AND I HAPPENED TO HAVE SAT FOR 35 MINUTES AT THAT INTERSECTION RECENTLY, AND IT WAS NOT A, WASN'T A SATURDAY.
UH, SO I THINK IT'S A FAIR STATEMENT TO SAY WE EXPECT TRAFFIC TO INCREASE IN THAT AREA.
IF WE'RE TALKING CONGESTION SAFETY AS A PRIORITY.
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VDOT WHAT THEY PUT THE DOLLAR FIGURE THAT THEY DO PUT ON LIVES.I THINK EVERYBODY HERE'S BEEN ON THAT ROAD AND THEY KNOW IT'S A COMPLEX PROJECT, BUT YOU DON'T NOT DO SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S HARD.
YOU DO SOMETHING 'CAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
CAN WE BRING UP, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL GO AHEAD.
MR. CHAIRMAN, ON IT'S SUPERVISOR HEART, I WANTED TO SHOW THE, UH, CRASH DATA AND, UH, MR. PARKS, THAT THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR VDOT.
I KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT IS A, UH, IT'S A QUESTION THAT'S ASKED OFTEN WHAT IS THE PRICE OF A LIFE WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC SAFETY.
BUT WHAT I'M, UH, AND AGAIN, I'M AKIMA COUNTY, I'M NOT VDOT, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU.
BUT WHAT I'M GOING TO DO HERE IS, UM, THIS IS THE SLIDE DECK THAT VDOT PRESENTED US, BUT THEY WERE, THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO INCLUDE THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF ROUTE 1 75 WITH CRASH DATA.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WHILE HE'S LOOKING FOR THAT, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE.
UM, LEE, SIR, UM, WHEN YOU SAY VDOT, ARE WE TALKING THE LOCAL OFFICE? ARE WE TALKING SUFFOLK? ARE WE TALKING RICHMOND? WHO TURNED IT DOWN? WHO, WHO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I WAS, 'CAUSE THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT ENTITIES AND THE LOCAL OFFICE MAY WANT SOMETHING, SUFFOLK MAY SAY NO.
THE, AND THEN RICHMOND MAY BE THE ULTIMATE.
WHAT, WHO IS SAYING WHO IS THE ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY RULING ON THIS? FOR, FOR THIS EXERCISE, FOR THE, FOR THIS MEETING, RIGHT.
WAS WITH THE LOCAL RESIDENCY STAFF.
SO, SO THE LAND USE PLANNERS, AND I WILL SAY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN, UH, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF OUR APPLICATIONS TO THE POINT.
IT WAS STOPPED AT SUFFOLK PENN.
NO, RI UH, RICHMOND HAS TO SCORE IT SO THE CENTRAL OFFICE WOULD STILL SCORE IT.
BUT THE SUPPORT, BUT THE LOCAL SUPPORT, BECAUSE OF COURSE THEY'RE MOST FAMILIAR WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROBLEMS HERE OR IN THEIR RESPECTIVE DISTRICTS THROUGHOUT THE COMMONWEALTH.
UH, EVENTUALLY ALL APPLICATIONS DO MAKE THEIR WAY TO RICHMOND, UM, AND, UH, AND RICHMOND FOR SCORING AND FOR REVIEW.
MR. I TALKED TO, I TALKED TO CHRIS IS THE DOOR ABOUT A YEAR AGO IS DOWN ABOUT THE IS IS DOWN IS WHAT I SAY.
THE PDO GUY GAVE HIM A WHOLE NEW NAME.
AND HE TOLD ME THAT, THAT THEY WERE DISCUSSING THE ISSUE AT THE ROYAL FARMS, THAT THEY THOUGHT BY PUTTING JUST IN TURN LANE THERE ON, ON THAT CORNER, THAT A LOT OF THE, OF THE CONGESTION COULD BE DEALT WITH.
THE $30 MILLION YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS FOR A MUCH LARGER PROJECT.
I WAS IN THE IMPRESSION THAT VDOT WAS WORKING ON THAT.
HAVE THEY SAID ANYTHING TO YOU ABOUT THAT? I HAVE.
DON'T I HAVE NO INFORMATION ON ANY PROJECTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 1 75 AND ATLANTIC ROAD? CORRECT.
WELL, I'LL CALL 'EM TO FIND OUT WHAT THE STATUS IS THEN.
BECAUSE THAT IS MY OBVIOUSLY DISTRICT, RIGHT? UM, YES.
I, I JUST WANT PUT THIS 2 CENTS WORD FOR YOU.
AND I CAN RECALL HIM SAYING THAT HE DID NOT THINK, UH, THAT HE'S OUR RESIDENT ENGINEER.
I MEAN, SO HE SHOULD KNOW IN MY PURVIEW, YOU KNOW, HE, HE GOES TO RICHMOND.
HE SITS IN MEETINGS THAT, THAT ACKERMAN 1 75 HAD NO CHANCE OF, OF GETTING PASSED.
AND I'M NOT SAYING, AND I'M NOT SMASHING IT OR BASHING IT EITHER WAY.
I'M JUST SAYING WHAT HE, I'M JUST MIMICKING HIM.
AND SO IT'S NO NEED TO KEEP THROWING MONEY OR KEEP THROWING SOMETHING OR SUPPORT BEHIND SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GONNA PASS WHEN WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES HERE IN THE COUNTY.
THAT'S JUST MY, THAT'S JUST MY THING.
I SAW UP THERE BYER SMITH ROAD UP THERE BY, UM, I KNOW THAT'S ONE I SAW THAT STUCK IN MY MIND, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN MANY FATALITIES THERE.
SO I MEAN, IF THIS, IF WE BEATING A DEAD HORSE WITH THIS 1 75, LET'S GO TO ANOTHER HORSE.
SO, UH, MR. MASON, IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD SEE THIS PART OF THE, OF THE MAP, THIS IS GONNA BE THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 1 75 AND ATLANTIC ROAD.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE INTERSECTION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, SUPERVISOR PARKS.
AND THERE HAVE, THERE, THE, THE CURRENT DATA THAT WE, THAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE, THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC DOES NOT SHOW ANY FATALITIES AT THIS INTERSECTION.
UH, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE, UH, ONE OR TWO
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ON THE CAUSEWAY PROPER, BUT A LOT OF WHAT VDOT MAKES BASES THEIR DECISIONS ON IS CRASH DATA AND THE SEVERITY OF THE CRASH AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, SEVERE INJURIES OR LOSS OF LIFE.I I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY SAD WAY TO MAKE YOUR DECISIONS AS TO WHERE YOU'RE INVESTING YOUR, YOUR MONEY, UH, ON ROADS.
AND FOR INSTANCE, I KNOW TOMMY, CHRIS, WE'VE TALKED, HE AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ROUTE THREE 16 BEING REDONE, BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON ANY OF THESE.
SO WE, WE GET A LOT OF TALK FROM VDOT AND A LOT, NOT A LOT OF ACTION, BUT I JUST THINK IF WE LOOK AT THIS FROM SO MANY OTHER PRIORITIES IN THE COUNTY, THIS SEEMS TO MAKE SOME SENSE THAT THERE NEED TO BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY MAY NOT BE THE SAME IMPROVEMENTS WE'D ORIGINALLY LOOKED, BUT LOOK AT IT.
AND IT'S FRUSTRATING TO SEE THAT THE BOARD HERE HAS MADE IT A PRIORITY AND THAT'S, IT GETS DISCOUNTED.
UH, WHAT WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THE DISTRICT STAFF AND THE, AND THE RESIDENCY STAFF PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER TO GIVE US THE, THE, THE BEST CHANCE OF SUCCESS FOR THIS ROUND.
UM, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER OPTIONS HERE AS IT PERTAINS TO ROUTE 1 75, AGAIN, NOT TO PUT TOO FINE A POINT ON IT, BUT WAIT A COUPLE YEARS AND SEE HOW THE CRASH DATA CHANGES.
UH, I, I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF A CYNICAL WAY TO, TO APPROACH THAT, BUT I THINK MR. MASON WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.
GIVE YOUR LIFE FROM V DOC THEIR SACRIFICE.
THE ONE THING I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, AND IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT BEFORE, AND JUST TO REITERATE IT, I THINK STAFF AND, AND MOST OF THE FOLKS WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED ON THESE APPLICATIONS IN THE PAST WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, SUPERVISOR PARKS.
UM, BUT WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO GET A SMART SCALE PROJECT APPROVED FOR WHAT? 1 75? THREE SEPARATE TIMES ALREADY.
THIS, THIS WOULD BE THE FOURTH.
SO WE'VE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL THREE SEPARATE TIMES.
IT HASN'T BEEN THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN TRYING, BUT EACH TIME WE'VE BEEN MET WITH A DENIAL.
UM, AND SO WE WERE THOROUGHLY PREPARED TO ADVANCE A FOURTH APPLICATION.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE STRATEGICALLY IDENTIFIED AS AN AREA, BUT AGAIN, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO MR. PBIT AND STAFF, IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT HAS ANY, ANY CHANCE, UM, ANY CHANCE OF SUCCESS.
AND THAT'S WHY, I MEAN, WE COULD GO STEAM FORWARD WITH THE DIRECTION THE BOARD'S GIVEN IN THE PAST, BUT WE CHOSE TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU AND SHARE THE INFORMATION WE'VE RECEIVED, UM, FROM VDOT TO SEE IF THE BOARD WANTS TO CHANGE DIRECTIONS.
UM, AND WE, I DON'T NOT CALL THIS LOW HANGING FRUIT, BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE THESE ARE, WOULD BE IN THAT, UH, IN THE, IN THE SWEET SPOT.
THESE ONES THAT ARE LISTED ON HERE.
COULD WE HAVE THAT LIST UP AGAIN? YEAH.
SO WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT COURSE? DO WE HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF? NO, SIR.
POOR BILLY, YOU'VE BEEN TRYING FOR SO LONG.
I COMMENTS AND I'M THE ONE TRAVELS THAT ROAD.
BEEN TRAVELING FOR ALMOST 71 YEARS.
AND, UH, NO, IT'S A DANGEROUS, I AGREE.
IT IT'S A DANGEROUS PIECE OF THE HIGHWAY.
AND YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL ABOUT CUTTING OFF YOUR LINE TO YOUR GOLDEN EGG.
BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE MONEY COMES FROM IN THIS COUNTY BECAUSE THAT LITTLE ISLAND OVER THERE.
SO WHEN YOU, IN MY EXPERIENCE THROUGH MILITARY AND POLICE WORK TOO, IF YOU DIDN'T GET THE ANSWER FROM THE LOWER POT, YOU WENT ABOVE THEM.
GO AHEAD AND PUT YOUR OTHER PRIORITIES.
WE GOT A LITTLE SIDE LETTER HERE.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FIX IT, THEN WE'LL KEEP OUR TAX MONEY AND WE'LL FIX IT OURSELVES,
AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT FUSSING WITH YOU.
THAT I KNOW IT'S GOING OVER THIS.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ASK ABOUT RICHMOND.
I JUST WONDER EVERYBODY HAD TO SAY THAT WAS WHAT I WANTED WAS I GO THROUGH IT IN ALL KINDS OF WEATHER HERE.
JOE, DID YOU UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT RICHMOND? YEAH.
YOU'VE GOTTA GO ABOVE OPS HERE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I'LL TELL YOU, WE CAN DO, UH, MR. DAR, WE CAN HAVE STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER A LETTER WHO SEND TO BRISBANE CONCERN.
IS THAT A MOTION, BILLY? THAT IS A MOTION.
AND, AND PLEASE PUT IN THE, UH, ECONOMICAL BENEFIT THAT THAT LITTLE ISLAND GIVES THIS COUNTY SECOND IN THE STATE TOO.
AND, AND NOT, OF COURSE, NOT JUST THE TOURIST DOLLARS, BUT THE WALLOPS RESEARCH PARK DOLLARS AND, AND, UM, THE BLUE SKY PLANNING ASPECT OF THIS.
AND IF EVERYONE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, IT'S, IT'S A FEMA TERM TO SAY, WHEN PLANTERS SIT IN, WHEN THINGS ARE GREAT AND SAY, OH LOOK, WE DON'T NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
AND DON'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN TRAFFIC'S HEAVY, WHEN THERE'S STORMS, WHEN THERE'S SNOW, THERE'S HURRICANES AND THE SAFETY THINGS IS MADDENING TO HEAR FROM VDO.
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SOMEBODY WHO SPENT PART OF THE OTHER DAY CLEARING TREES, HELPING PARKLEY VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD CALLING VDOT ABOUT IT.SO ONE, ONE, UH, PROBABLY TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THEY WERE STILL SHOOTING THE BIG ROCKET OFF, HE CALLED ME UP.
HOW ARE THINGS GOING? I SAID, TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP FROM RURAL FARMS ALL THE WAY TO MADDOX.
THAT'S EXACTLY, HE'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
I JUST WANT, I JUST WANNA GO ON THE RECORD.
NOT THAT I WAS DISMISSING NO 1, 7, 5.
I DIDN'T WANT TO GET THAT IMPRESSION, NOR DID I WANT T OR ANYBODY ELSE GET THAT IMPRESSION.
BUT MY THING IS THAT'S KEEP BEATING THE SAME THING AND YOU'RE NOT GOING NOWHERE WITH IT.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD.
AND ALSO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK A LETTER YES.
ADDRESSING THIS SPEAKS MORE, SPEAKS LOUDER THAN AN APPLICATION DOES.
SO WOULD THIS LETTER IT BE ADDRESSED TO, WOULD YOU SEND IT TO MILLER THE SECRETARY? I WOULD SAY V RICHMOND SECRETARY, THE SECRETARY OF, UH, TRANSPORTATION.
SECRETARY MILLER IS OVER WALLACE.
ALSO, DO WE NEED COPY, CC SOMEBODY ELSE AND COPY OUR SPEAKER, OUR REPRESENTATIVE SENATOR, MR. CHAIR, SO WE HAVE A MOTION PROPERLY SECONDED FOR THE, UM, TO, TO, TO SEND A LETTER.
EVERYBODY, UH, UH, EVERYBODY FOR AYE.
UH, OPPOSED? AND MOTION CARRY.
SO I'D, I'D ALSO MENTION THAT SMART SCALE IS THE ONE POT OF MONEY THAT VDOT HAS.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT PROGNOSTICATING THAT IF WE APPLIED FOR A DIFFERENT POT OF MONEY, THAT THAT WOULD BE ANY MORE SUCCESSFUL.
BUT SMART SCALE, UH, SEEMS TO BE THE MOST, UH, RIGHT.
THE MOST APPLIED FOR, UH, UH, POT OF MONEY.
AND MR. CHAIR, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
I THINK THAT THIS LETTER SHOULD TARGET NOT SMART SCALE.
SO JUST SO THEY, THEY DON'T TAKE OUR SMART SCALE AND THROW AT IT IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL.
A MATTER OF FACT THAT THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE LETTER THAT'S I'M SAYING THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR, FOR SMART SCALE SQUEAKING WHEELS GET GREASED.
UH, IN, IN, IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF TIMEFRAME, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL NEED TO HAVE SOME, UH, SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE BOARD ON HOW TO PROCEED ON A SMART SCALE APPLICATION IF WE WANT TO GO WITH ANOTHER ONE OR, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF WE WANT TO, IF WE WANT TO TRY FOR ROUTE 1 75 AGAIN, BUT WELL NOT TIME
AND IF, AND AS PART OF THE APPLICATION PRO, OR I SHOULD SAY THE PRE-APPLICATION PROCESS, WE WANT TO GET TO THE DISTRICT STAFF, UH, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOUT TO GET REALLY BUSY WITH SIMILAR KIND OF PRE-APPLICATION DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, WITH THE VARIOUS LOCALITIES IN THE, IN THE DISTRICT.
HOW ABOUT A DEADLINE WITH, IS THERE A DEADLINE FOR SMART SCALE, UH, TO APPLY? IT'S GONNA BE IN MARCH SOMETIME.
RIGHT, MR. BUT AS I MENTIONED FOR FOR PRE-APPLICATION PURPOSES, WE WANT TO GET THERE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THERE ANY WAY TO ESTIMATE ON THESE PROJECTS WHO, WHICH ONES WOULD SCORE THE HIGHEST POINTS? IS THERE ANY, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, CAN WE GUESS, OR CAN WE ESTIMATE WHICH ONES WOULD SCORE THE HIGHEST SO WE'D HAVE A BETTER CHANCE? I'M JUST ASKING YOU, YOU DON'T WANNA PUT ONE FUNDING WISE, YOU DON'T WANNA PUT ONE IN AGAIN, IT'S GONNA BE LOW.
IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, UM, VDOT SAID THAT, UH, A SCORE OF 3.5 IS PRETTY GOOD.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? ON THE LEFT? ON THE LEFT TWO OR 3.5? THE TOP FOUR.
AND I WILL MENTION THAT THE, UH, THE, THE R CUTS AT TERY ROAD WERE NOT FUNDED BY SMART SCALE.
WE DID NOT APPLY FOR ANY SMART SCALE FUNDING FOR THAT.
SO, UH, AGAIN, YOU, YOU CAN IGNORE NUMBER NINE IN, IN YOUR DELIBERATIONS, BUT I'D SAY THAT ANYTHING, UH, EIGHT ABOVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SAY THIS, BUT MAYBE PICK ONE THAT MIGHT HAVE FEATURED A FATALITY.
JUST, JUST PLAINLY SPEAKING THAT MARYANNE SMITH INTERSECTION IS PRETTY, IT'S BAD.
THAT'S NOT A GOOD I THAT I'M JUST SAYING MRS. CONNOR'S, MR. I'M SURPRISED THAT, THAT THAT SCORED, THAT'S A, A SCORED HIGHER WITH, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY.
BOTH HAVE, BOTH OF THEM HAVE MR. BE A GOOD ROAD.
AS A MATTER OF FACT THAT YEAH.
ESPECIALLY WITH THE POLLING PLACE MOVEMENT.
UH, MACK ROAD NUMBER SEVEN IS RIGHT THERE, IS JUST RIGHT UP THE STREET HERE BY THE VDOT RESIDENCY.
AND, UH, THAT'S HAD, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A PARTICULARLY PROBLEMATIC INTERSECTION, UH, UH,
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RESIDENCY STAFF COMMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER THEY LOOK OUT THE WINDOW, THERE ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE AN ACCIDENT THERE.I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UM, THE ONES THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING ALL HAVE LIGHTS THAT THE, UH, THE MURRAY SMITH ROAD DOES NOT HAVE A LIGHT.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MR. WASHINGTON THINK.
I KNOW THAT ONE DOESN'T HAVE, SO THE REST OF 'EM HAVE LIGHTS.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? WHAT DO WE THINK? YOU WANNA PICK SOMETHING DOWN? YEAH.
MR. WASHINGTON, WHAT DO YOU, LET'S DO IT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK MR. WASHINGTON? I MOTION ON MOTION.
WE A MOTION PROPERLY SECONDED TO, UH, ADVISE STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A SMART SCALE APPLICATION FOR MARION SMITH ROAD.
IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING CAN MR. WEST, CAN WE ADD FISHER'S CORNER TO THAT AS WELL? YES.
I'LL INCLUDE THAT WITH YOUR SECOND.
WE HAVE EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WE'RE LOOKING AT FISHER'S CORNER AIR MARY SMITH ON THE MOTION.
ALL NINE THREE, RECEIVE UPDATE ON THE COUNTY AND EDA CHILD DA, UH, DAYCARE CENTER GRANT PROGRAM, AND POSSIBLE NEXT STEPS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, COULD I INTERRUPT FOR ONE SECOND? SURE.
I THINK I NEED TO CLEAN SOMETHING UP HERE WITH THE, UH, PERSONNEL COMMITTEE, UH, REPORT.
UH, MADAM, MADAM COUNTY ATTORNEY, I THINK MY MOTION WAS SIMPLY FOR FOUR 19 POLICIES FOUR 19 AND 4 21.
I NEEDED TO INCLUDE, I DO A SEPARATE MOTION.
I NEEDED TO INCLU INCLUDE GRIEVANCE POLICY 7 0 1, UH, AND PROBATIONARY PERIOD 2 0 2, UH, FOR THE GRIEVANCE POLICY, UH, TO BE APPROVED.
THE CHANGES IN THE GRIEVANCE POLICY AND THE PROBATIONARY PERIOD CHANGE.
SO I MOVE THAT WE, UH, MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
UH, WHO SECONDED THAT EARLIER? THAT WAS SECONDED.
UH, MOTION, UH, PROPERLY SECONDED TO, UH, TO ACCEPT THE 7 0 1, 2 0 1, UH, 4 21 AND FOUR 19.
YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THE OTHER TWO.
I'VE ALREADY DONE THE OTHER TWO.
UH, CHAIRMAN PHILLIPS, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MIKE MASON, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
THIS IS AN UPDATE ON THE COUNTY SLASH ED, A CHILD DAY CENTER GRANT PROGRAM AND, AND NEXT STEPS.
SO JUST TO KIND OF WALK BACK TO THE BEGINNING, THE BOARD HAS APPROPRIATED $225,000 TO NECESSITATE A SECOND ROUND OF CHILDCARE INCENTIVE GRANTS AIMED AT IMPROVING CHILDCARE AVAILABILITY IN THE NORTHERN PORT OF THE COUNTY.
AND YOU ALL WILL REMEMBER THAT WE, THIS IS THE SECOND ROUND.
THE FIRST ROUND WAS, UM, BACK WITH USE OF SOME ARPA FUNDING.
AND, UM, WE WERE, WE AWARDED THREE GRANTS FROM THAT.
UM, SO THIS WAS A SECOND TEMP AT SPINNING UP ANOTHER SIMILAR GRANT PROGRAM.
UM, IN JULY, UH, THE COUNTY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AGREED TO BE THE CONDUIT FOR ADMINISTERING AND ISSUING THE CONTEMPLATED GRANT PROGRAM.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THIS IS NO LONGER UNDER THE ARPA UMBRELLA.
SO THIS WAS OUR INITIAL SCHEDULE.
AUGUST 1ST WAS GRANT APPLICATION MADE, UM, THAT WE, WE MADE THE GRANT APPLICATION LIVE ON THE WEBSITE ON THAT DATE.
UM, WE SPECIFIED THAT THERE WAS A DEADLINE TO SUBMIT THOSE APPLICATIONS, WHICH WAS SEPTEMBER 15TH.
AND THEN THE SCHEDULED CALL FOR YOU TO MAKE, UM, AN AWARD, UM, A SELECTION AND A START TO NEGOTIATE AGREEMENTS IF, IF WE HAD A SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATE, UM, OR, OR APPLICANT RATHER TONIGHT.
SO, SO FLASH FORWARD TO, UM, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
THE COUNTY DID RECEIVE FIVE APPLICATIONS.
UH, EACH APPLICATION WAS SCORED ON A WEIGHTED POINTS BASED SYSTEM ACCORDING TO THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA.
UM, AND THIS, THIS, HOW WE WERE SCORING THESE, UM, APPLICATIONS WAS DISCLOSED ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, THE TWO AREAS THAT ARE, ARE BOLDED.
UM, THEY WERE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE CRITERIA THAT OUR APPLICANT SCORED THE LEASE IN.
AND I, AND I'LL COVER THAT IN A SECOND, BUT COMING BACK TO THE APPLICATION SCORE, YOU NEEDED A MAXIMUM SCORE OF 70 POINTS OR HIGHER, I'M SORRY, NOT A MAX.
YOU NEEDED A, A, A SCORE OF 70 POINTS OR HIGHER, HIGHER IN ORDER TO BE, UM, CONSIDERED FOR A GRANT.
UM, THE MAXIMUM YOU COULD GET WAS A HUNDRED, BUT YOU NEEDED 70 OR BETTER TO, TO BE AWARDED.
UNFORTUNATELY, NONE OF THE APPLICATION SCORED HIGH ENOUGH TO ACHIEVE THE MINIMUM OF 70 POINTS TO BE ELIGIBLE.
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SO THE, AND THE REASON FOR THAT, MOST OF THE APPLICANTS RAN INTO PROBLEMS IN THESE TWO CRITERIA.ONE IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED FACILITY.
UM, SOME, SOME APPLICATIONS FOCUSED ON STARTING CHILD DAY CENTERS AWAY FROM THE TARGET AREA, WHICH IS NORTHERN MACK IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO, TO 1 75.
UM, AND, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, UM, WAS LACK OF EXPERIENCE IN OPERATING A CHILDCARE CENTER AND OBTAINING A FACILITY LICENSE.
SO SOME APPLICATIONS WERE, UH, SUBMITTED BY ESSENTIALLY START UP ORGANIZATIONS.
SO THESE TWO, THESE TWO GRADING CRITERIA WERE WORTH 50 POINTS OUT OF THE A HUNDRED MAXIMUM.
AND SO WHEN WE HAD, UM, APPLICANTS WHO, WHO DIDN'T SCORE WELL AND MAYBE ONE OF THESE, IT WAS SORT OF HARD TO, TO GET ACROSS THAT 70 POINT IT LINE IN THE SAND UNLESS YOU WERE PERFECT ON ALL THE OTHER ONES.
AND THAT, THAT WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THOSE TYPE OF APPLICANTS THIS TIME.
SO, SO NEXT STEP, WHAT STAFF WOULD PROPOSE IS TO REASSESS OUR APPROACH, UM, TO SOLVING CHILDCARE DEFICIENCIES, DEFICIENCIES IN NORTHERN MACK.
UM, WE, WE HAVE HAD SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH MINUS FIVE, WHICH IS A COLLECTIVE IMPACT.
NINE FIVE OUT OF ODI, I'M SORRY, WHAT DID I SAY? FIVE MINUS FIVE MINUS FIVE ONLY BECAUSE I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT.
UM, AND, UM, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED TO LEVERAGE THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE OF OUR OTHER APPLICANTS FROM THE FIRST ROUND.
UM, BUT WE PLAN ON EXPLORING WAYS THAT THAT ENTITY MAY BE ABLE TO HELP US, UM, GET TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE, RIGHT? WITH MORE CHAIR CHILDCARE, OPENING CHILDCARE SLOT OPENINGS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
UM, SO, SO I DON'T, I'M NOT, I DON'T WANNA TAKE ANYTHING OFF THE TABLE IN THE FUTURE, BUT NOW I THINK IT'S THE BEST COURSE IS TO CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UM, AND THEN POSSIBLY, UH, COME BACK AND REOPEN THE CHILD, UH, DAY CENTER GRANT PROGRAM AT A LATER DATE.
UM, BUT THAT, BUT THAT IS, UM, WHAT, WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UM, AT THE PRESENT TIME.
MY CHAIR OUTTA CURIOSITY WERE ANY IN THE SIXTIES? YES.
THAT MADE ME FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT ON THAT.
UM, MR. PAM, BUT WE'RE GONNA, I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA NEED MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF MINUTES ON THE INITIATIVE FOR THE GRANT PROJECT, SO WE'LL, UH, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE COULD PROBABLY DO.
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THESE, UH, TEN ONE THE OCTOBER APPOINTMENTS.
I KNOW WE HAVE, UH, ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF M OF THE COUNTY.
AND THEN WE NEED A NEW APPOINTMENT FROM, UH, FROM THE LOSS OF OUR, UH, DEAR JACK TAR, UM, SUPERVISOR.
YES, I'D LIKE TO APPOINT, UH, UH, RICHARD L ALLWAY.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION PROPERLY SECONDED TO, UH, TO, UH, NOMINATE OR TO ACCEPT THE NOMINATION OF, UH, RICHARD L ALLWAY.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FOR DISTRICT EIGHT ON THE, UH, UH, COME BACK BOARD? UH, COUNTY, UH, PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMISSION? DISTRICT EIGHT, NOT DISTRICT, DISTRICT EIGHT.
DISTRICT FOUR DISTRICT? WHAT'D I SAY? EIGHT FOUR.
YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TWO I GUESS, BUT, BUT PRESENTLY, UNFORTUNATELY, THE PERSON I WAS HOPING TO DO IT IS NOT AVAILABLE, SIR.
I UNDERSTAND HOW THAT NEED TO DEFER.
AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE, UH, SOCIAL SERVICE.
ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT A MINUTE BEFORE A PUBLIC HEARING.
CAN WE WAIT FOR A MINUTE WHEN WE'RE DONE? YES.
WE CAN TAKE A MINUTE BREAK IF YOU
FOR GO THE JOE FOR ONE MINUTE.
WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.
THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE 11.3 ON YOUR AGENDA.
ROBERT KNOWS A PUBLIC HEARING ON ORDINANCE OF TO AMEND NINE OF E NINE 11 JOINT RESOLUTION.
MR. MASON, CAN YOU HEAR ME? BILLY? THANK YOU CHAIRMAN PHILLIPS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE BOARD AMENDING THE JOINT RESOLUTION CREATING THE EASTERN SHORE.
9 1 1 COMMISSION WAS REVIEWED BY THE 9 1 1 COMMISSION WITH, WITH THE COMMISSION ULTIMATELY VOTING TO SEND IT TO ACK COUNTY, NORTHAMPTON COUNTY FOR FURTHER COMMENT AND OR ACTION.
AFTER REVIEWING THE DRAFT, BOTH AKIMA COUNTY AND NORTHAMPTON SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE PROVO PROPOSED REVISIONS.
NORTH HAMPTON'S PUBLIC, UH, HEARING WAS LAST NIGHT.
I I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME
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OF THAT WAS YET, BUT CERTAINLY THEIR APPROVAL IS NECESSARY FOR THESE TO BE, UH, THESE AMENDMENTS TO BE BINDING SHOULD YOU APPROVE IT TONIGHT.THE PRINCIPAL GOAL OF THIS AMENDMENT IS TO CREATE PARITY BETWEEN THE COMPENSATION PROVIDED DISPATCH STAFF OF THE COMMISSION, AND THAT PROVIDED TO EMPLOYEES OF NORTH HAMPTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAVING SIMILAR DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
NO EMPLOYEE'S CURRENT COMPENSATION LEVEL WILL BE REDUCED IF THIS ORDINANCE IS APPROVED.
AND IN ADDITION TO ADDRESSING COMPENSATION PARITY, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT MEMORIALIZES A FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS, UM, THAT EACH COUNTY, UM, PROVIDES TO THE COMMISSION ALONG WITH THE TOWN OF OO.
SO THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFFS REPORT ON THIS ONE.
ANY COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION? IF NOT OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD.
NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP, UH, FOR, UH, TO SPEAK.
SO I CLOSE THE COMMENT PERIOD.
UM, AND WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE MOVED THAT WE ADOPT 11.3.
WE HAVE A MOTION PROPERLY SECONDED TO ADOPT, UH, 11.3.
SECOND ON THE PUBLIC HEARING IS 11.4 PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND, UH, CHAPTER 78 SUBDIVISIONS REGARDING THE, UH, DEFINITION OF A SUBDIVISION, MR. PAM.
BUT, UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, LEE PAM, A DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR AN AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 78 REGARDING THE DEFINITION OF SUBDIVISIONS.
THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF SUBDIVISION IS DEFINED AS SPLITTING ONE LOT INTO THREE LOTS.
THIS LEAVES CERTAIN PLATS WITHOUT STAFF'S REVIEW, WHICH HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC IN THE PAST WITH LOTS BEING RECORDED IN THE COURTHOUSE THAT DO NOT MEET THE SUBDIVISION OR THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THESE AMENDMENTS ARE ONE TO REDEFINE SUBDIVISION TO INCLUDE ANY SUBDIVISION RELATED ACTION, INCLUDING SPLITTING ONE LOT INTO TWO LOTS, BUT ALSO LOT CONSOLIDATIONS, FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS, AND BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENTS.
CURRENTLY, A SUBDIVISION IS DEFINED AGAIN AS SPLITTING ONE LOT INTO THREE LOTS.
THE, UH, SECOND REASON IS TO CLARIFY OTHER LANGUAGES ANNOTATED IN RED IN THE DRAFT LANGUAGE THAT YOU ALL HAVE IN YOUR PACKET.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED SEVEN TO ZERO ON A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ROGERS AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CONNOR TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 78, TITLED SUBDIVISIONS SECTIONS 78 DASH 3, 78 DASH SIX, AND 78 DASH 8.1 AS PRESENTED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, AND THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THAT TO THE OMA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I CAN FIELD ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME SO I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UH, DOES THAT ADD BY DOING THIS AS IT ADDING ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES OR, UH, TO THE OWNER? UM, I, I HAVE A LOT.
I I HAVE PROPERTY AND I SPLIT IT IN HALF AND GIVE MY DAUGHTERS MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, IS IT PUTTING ANY ADDITIONAL, ANY ADDITIONAL THINGS ON ME OR THEM COM COMPARED TO WHAT IT DOES NOW? ANY? NOT REALLY.
IT'S NOT GONNA, THE, THE, THE, THE RULES AND THE PROCEDURES FOR SUBDIVISIONS REMAIN THE SAME.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE ARE TRYING TO CLOSE THAT LOOPHOLE WHERE PLATS ARE BEING RECORDED IN THE COURTHOUSE WITHOUT A STAFF REVIEW.
SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GO FROM ONE TO TWO LOTS, WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT A LOT OF THE TIME, THOSE LOTS DON'T ACTUALLY MEET THE, THE REQUIRE THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR, YOU KNOW, SIZE FRONTAGE, UH, THAT KIND OF THING.
IT JUST SCARED ME A LITTLE BIT WHEN I FIRST SAW THAT RED SUBDIVISION.
NOW, YOU KNOW, IF I WANNA SPLIT A LOT IN HALF, YOU KNOW, FOR, SO ANYWAY, OKAY.
WHAT, WHAT IT'S GONNA MEAN IS THAT WE WILL GET MORE, WE'LL GET MORE APPLICATIONS.
IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE MORE WORK, UM, BECAUSE YOU'LL GET THE APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE AS WELL.
RIGHT? I MEAN THAT'S, BUT WHAT THAT DOES ALSO IS THAT IT ACTUALLY CIRCUMVENTS A LOT OF ISSUES THAT HAPPEN AFTER THE FACT.
RIGHT? SO WHEN WE FIND OUT THROUGH SOME OTHER PERMITTING APPLICATION, LIKE A BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY REVIEWING, WE'RE PULLING, WE'RE PULLING RECORDS FROM THE COURTHOUSE TO SEE IF IT WAS PROPERLY RIGHT.
AND IT'S THEN THE BUILDING PERMIT GETS DELAYED.
SO, AND IT'S BEEN SOLD THREE TIMES
SO THIS RESTRICT, I'M A FARMER, I HAVE A HUNDRED ACRES OF LAND MM-HMM
I WANT TO SPLIT OFF A LOT FOR MY, MY DAUGHTER.
DOES THAT MEAN YOU ARE PROHIBITING ME FROM SPLITTING OFF ANOTHER LOT FOR MY SON? NO.
IT JUST MEANS THAT IF YOU DO THAT, YOU JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION, THE QUOTE UNQUOTE SUBDIVISION PROCESS OR SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A LOT SPLIT FROM ONE LOT INTO TWO LOTS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN ACTUALLY HAPPEN FAIRLY QUICKLY.
BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE A LOOPHOLE.
SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY TRYING TO ASSESS
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THE FEES OR RESTRICTIONS, IT'S MORE OF AN HOUSE HOUSEKEEPING.'CAUSE I MEAN, OTHERWISE IT WAS SEEMED PRETTY DRACONIAN.
I, BUT LEE, AS I READ THIS, THAT IN, IN THAT SCENARIO, HE'S NOW BY THIS CODE A DEVELOPER, AND HE'S GOTTA BE, HE HAS TO DO A SUBDIVISION, EVEN THOUGH HE'S JUST TRYING TO GIVE A LOT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE UNIFORMITY THING.
I THINK THAT'S MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION RATHER THAN US CHANGING THE CODE, WHICH WAS JUST ADOPTED WHEN, UH, MR. CROCKETT WAS CHAIR TO WHAT, IN 2024.
SO I, I I, IT SEEMS TO ME THIS IS OVERKILL TO FIX AN ADMINISTRATIVE AND INTERNAL ACTION WITHIN THE COUNTY.
AND I'M CONCERNED ARE WE PUTTING AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON THE LANDOWNER? BECAUSE IT SAYS YOU'RE NOW A DEVELOPER.
IF YOU DO ANY DIVISION OF A, OF A LOT, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANNA BE A DEVELOPER IF THEY WANT TO GIVE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR KID A PIECE OF ACREAGE OR, OR WITH THEIR FARMERS, RIGHT.
FOR, FOR JUST A SIMPLE LOT SPLIT.
UH, YOU KNOW, UH, IF WE'RE EQUATING SUBDIVISION WITH DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S ONE WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.
BUT BY AND LARGE, WE ARE, WE'RE DEALING WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYDAY CITIZENS WHO ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT YOU SAID, MR. CHAIR, AND, AND MR. DE GEORGE'S, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA SPLIT OFF A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR AN HEIR OR FOR, UH, OR FOR A CHILD, OR I, YOU KNOW, UH, I NEED SOME MONEY, SO I'M GOING TO SPLIT OFF THIS PIECE.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T TYPICALLY TREAT THOSE KINDS OF APPLICANTS WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE FULL SET OF, UH, OF, UM, REVIEWS THAT WE MIGHT FOR A COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SPLITTING ONE LOT INTO TWO ON, ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S ALREADY GOT ROAD FRONTAGE.
AND AT THE END, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH FOR, UH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE A WELL IN A SEPTIC TANK AND DRAIN FIELD.
YOU KNOW, THAT HAPPENS EVERY DAY.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, UH, I GUESS TO CHARACTERIZE SOMEONE WHO JUST WANTS TO DO A BASIC THING WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO ESSENTIALLY HEAD OFF ISSUES LATER ON DOWNSTREAM, BECAUSE A LOT WAS NOT PROPERLY SUBDIVIDED OR DOES NOT MEET THE, THE, THE ZONING CODE OR THE SUBDIVISION CODE, UH, THE, THE STAFF'S CONTENTION IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING SIMPLE.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, PREVENT THOSE ISSUES FROM HAPPENING DOWNSTREAM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SPLITTING LOTS JUST TO SPLIT LOTS INTO AND TO, UH, AND TO CONVEY THEM TO A FAMILY MEMBER.
THEY'RE SPLITTING THEM BECAUSE THEY WANNA PUT A HOUSE ON THERE.
THAT HAPPENS VERY OFTEN, YOU KNOW, MANY TIMES A MONTH.
AND THEN IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND SAY, WELL, NOW YOU'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS THE CORRECT WAY TO GET US A LOT, THAT DOES COMPLY WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE BULK REGULATIONS.
UH, IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS, THEN WE'RE JUST PERPETUATING, UH, AN AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN OBSERVING FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
WELL, AND I GUESS IF WE GO WITH THIS, WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND UNDO IT OR CHANGE IT TO FACILITATE A, AN OUTCOME.
WELL, WE ARE INSTITUTIONALIZING THAT TERMINOLOGY.
I THINK IN MR. PAMPER'S DEFENSE, HE'S MANAGING THIS SMARTLY, BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MR. PAMPER'S NOT HERE? AND WE'VE PUT INTO CODE THAT IF YOU WANNA SPLIT A LOT IN AKIMA COUNTY, YOU'RE A DEVELOPER AND IT'S A SUBDIVISION, AND THEY COULD, THEY COULD HOLD YOU TO THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AS COASTAL SQUARE TO USE THAT FOR AN EXAMPLE.
ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT DOING IT NOW.
I JUST DON'T LIKE THE LANGUAGE.
I, I, I APPRECIATE THE INTENT.
THOSE, THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE SITUATIONS THAT WE WOULD TREAT VERY DIFFERENTLY.
WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE DEVELOP, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE SPLITTING OFF LOTS, AGAIN, JUST TO CONVEY FROM ONE PERSON OR FROM, FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM YOURSELF TO A FAMILY MEMBER VERSUS A LARGE SCALE SUBDIVISION THAT ENTAILS, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, STREETS, ROADS, STORM WATER, WHERE IN, IN THE, IN THE EVERYDAY SITUATION THAT WE FIND OURSELVES IN, THAT THEY'RE NOT DEVELOPING INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY MAY HAVE TO CUT IN A DRIVEWAY, BUT THAT'S A FAR CRY FROM A, FROM A VDOT STANDARD ROAD.
BUT THERE'S NO WAY THAT THIS IS ADDRESSED.
THAT ISSUE IS NOT BEING ADDRESSED IN THIS, UH, AND THAT'S FROM MY READ, IF WE GO TO THE RED AREAS, PER, THE INSTRUCTIONS WE'RE GIVEN TO US BY STAFF, AND I READ THE RED AREAS, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE IT DELINEATED A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE PROPERTIES.
IT SAID IF YOU DIVIDE A LOT, YOU'RE A DEVELOPER AND IT'S A SUBDIVISION, AND IT'LL MEET THOSE STANDARDS.
I, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT THE COUNTY
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SHOULD HAVE A STANDARD TO WHAT A LOT IS, BUT I DON'T, I'M NOT CONCERNED FOR YOU.I'M CONCERNED FOR WHOEVER'S NEXT AND THAT, THAT LANGUAGE THERE, AND IT MAY BE AN ENCUMBRANCE FOR OUR CITIZENS.
I THINK MY, MY REPLY TO THAT, MR. PARKS WOULD BE THAT, WELL, WHAT IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND GOES FROM ONE, FROM A, FROM ONE LOT TO THREE? ARE THEY A DEVELOPER? IF THEY'RE NOT DEVELOPING INFRASTRUCTURE, THEN I WOULD SAY THAT THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO DO, UH, UH, DO A ROUTINE ITEM THAT DOES NOT ENTAIL ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD REQUIRE HIGHER LEVEL OF REVIEW.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOW, THIS SAYS THEY'RE A DEVELOPER.
YOU, YOU, YOU MEAN WE CAN'T GO TO IT UNLESS I'M MISREADING IT AND I CAN SHUT UP AND THAT'LL BE GOOD.
IT SAYS THAT THAT PERSON'S A DEVELOPER.
RIGHT? WELL, WE WROTE IT TOGETHER.
SO, I MEAN, AND MAYBE IT'S A MATTER OF PUTTING A CLAUSE IN THERE OR A REDEFINITION, BUT THE, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE INSTITUTIONALIZING.
I I, I THINK YOU'RE TOTALLY GONNA DO THE, THE RIGHT THING AND NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
BUT I DON'T LIKE THE LANGUAGE MAKING THAT, AND WHAT ARE THE OTHER CONNOTATIONS THAT COME WITH IT? AND HONESTLY, I THINK SOME PEOPLE MAY TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON, ON WHAT JEFF IS SAYING, UM, IS THERE SOMETHING, CAN YOU DO SOMETHING TO CLEAN THAT UP? BECAUSE AS JEFF SAID, WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO WILL BE THE NEXT PERSON THERE.
AND IF IT'S LEFT UP TO INTERPRETATION, IT ALL DEPENDS WHO'S, WHO'S HOLDING YOUR JOB.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN, CAN YOU REWORD SOMETHING TO, TO CLEAN IT UP SO THAT, THAT A NEW PERSON IN LEE'S POSITION COULD NOT HOLD THAT FATHER WHO WANTS TO DIVIDE ONE LOT INTO TWO, SO HE CAN GIVE HIS TWO KIDS A LOT.
THAT, THAT THEY'RE NOT, THAT THEY CAN'T BE CONSIDERED A DEVELOPER.
SO IF I MAY, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EXAMPLES ABOUT FAMILY.
THERE IS A FAMILY SUBDIVISION PROVISION IN THIS SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT THOSE KIND OF DIVISIONS WOULD COME UNDER AND THEY WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
HOWEVER, WHAT THIS NEW ORDINANCE IS DOING, IF YOU, IF THIS IS A UNRELATED PERSON, YOU'RE DIVIDING TO GIVE IT TO SOMEONE DOWN THE STREET, YES.
YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
AND, AND MR. PARKS IS CORRECT ABOUT THAT.
UM, I THINK WHAT LEE IS SAYING IS THAT A LOT OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SUBDIVISIONS WON'T APPLY FOR A TWO LOT DIVISION.
SO YOU WILL NOT BE PUT THROUGH THE SAME RIGOROUS STANDARDS THAT A LARGER SUBDIVISION WOULD BE.
IS THAT WRITTEN IN, IN CODE? IS THAT DEFINED? IS THAT WRITTEN IN CODE? WELL, IT'S, IT'S BY APPLICATION OF THE REQUIREMENTS TO EACH SUBDIVISION PLAT AND DETERMINING WHAT, WHAT APPLIES AND WHAT DOESN'T.
SO THERE'S NO WAY TO FIX THAT WITH, LEMME ASK.
AND JUST TO CLEAR IT UP A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE YOU GOT ME, YOU GOT ME INTERESTED.
NOW, IF, IF JEFF COMES IN WITH A LOT AND HE WANTS TO, HE WANTS TO DIVIDE THAT LOT INTO TWO TO GIVE HIS HIS KIDS A LOT.
AND I COME IN WITH A LOT WITH A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I WANT TO DEVELOP, AND I WANT TO PUT INFRASTRUCTURE IN THERE AND SO FORTH, HOW IS HE GONNA BE HANDLED AND HOW WILL I BE HANDLED? I MEAN, BY NOT IN ANY GRAY AREA WHAT, WHAT STAFF HAS TO DO.
SO AGAIN, WITH A FAMILY SUBDIVISION THAT'S OUTSIDE ALL OF THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS, IT'S JUST CERTAIN, CERTAIN STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE TO MEET FOR THAT.
IF WE TALK ABOUT A SUBDIVISION THAT IS NOT FOR A FAMILY MEMBER, THEN THAT TWO LOTS SUBDIVISION GOES THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS, BUT LEE AND HIS STAFF LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS TWO LOTS.
IT'S HAVING NO IMPACT ON ANY OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THEREFORE ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS APPROVE THE PLAT.
AND, AND THAT WOULD BE ON THE APPLICATION TOO.
YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IF YOU'RE GONNA DEVELOP IT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CERTAIN BOXES THAT YOU'RE GONNA CHECK.
IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE JUST SPLITTING IT, TWO, THOSE BOXES WON'T BE CHECKED.
AND, AND HERE, AND HERE'S AN EVERYDAY OBSERVATION FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT.
FOLKS WHO COME TO SEE US WANT AS, AS LEAST OF A COMPLICATED PROCESS AS POSSIBLE.
AND IF WE DON'T CLOSE THIS LOOPHOLE, WE'RE STILL PERPETUATING THE ISSUE OF IF THEY WANT TO, IF, IF, IF THEY WANT TO ESSENTIALLY SPLIT OFF A LOT AND BUILD A HOUSE, AND WE FIND OUT THAT THAT LOT DOESN'T MEET THE, DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY JUST WENT TO THE COURTHOUSE AND RECORDED A LOT, THEN THAT'S THE ISSUE.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE FOR WHAT WE OBSERVE ON A DAILY, ON A DAILY, UH, BASIS, IS THEY WANT THE LEAST AMOUNT OF PROBLEMS FROM THE PROCESS, FROM THE STAFF.
AND IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SUBDIVISION
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THAT ENTAILS THE CONSTRUCTION OR THE INSTALLATION OF INFRASTRUCTURE VERSUS A A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT ALREADY HAS THE INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABLE AND ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS SPLIT THAT.THOSE ARE BASICALLY TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF REVIEW.
IF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY THERE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO REVIEW FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S WHERE MOST PEOPLE WANT TO BE.
THERE ARE SOME APPLICANTS WHO ARE BONAFIDE DEVELOPERS WHO TAKE A, YOU KNOW, TAKE A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEY WANNA SUBDIVIDE IT TO, YOU KNOW, 10, YOU KNOW, 5, 10, 20 LOTS.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO INSTALL INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THAT WILL ENTAIL THINGS LIKE SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR STORM WATER, FOR UTILITIES, FOR, UH, FOR TRANSPORTATION.
SO AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS THAT COME IN AND THE TYPES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING THE EVERYDAY CITIZENS WHO ARE LOOKING TO JUST SPLIT OFF A LOT, THAT, AND THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUILD A ROAD.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO INSTALL WATER AND SEWER.
THAT'S GONNA BE LEFT UP TO THE OWNER WHEN TO, TO THE, TO THE BUYER WHO WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE.
THAT'S REALLY BASIC STUFF THAT HAPPENS EVERY DAY.
BUT AGAIN, THE, THE, THE APPLICATIONS, AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BONAFIDE DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE TO INSTALL INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY WILL BE PUT THROUGH A MUCH MORE RIGOROUS PROCESS, IF YOU WILL.
WELL, JUST, JUST ONE COMMENT THAT I'LL, THAT I'LL, I'LL END MIND JUST TO MAYBE GIVE JEFF A. LITTLE BIT OF EASE HERE.
IF, IF WE HAD JUST SAY YOU JUST SAY, UH, C RAY.
C RAY PRUITT CAME IN AND WANTED TO DO, LIKE, JEFF WANTED TO DO, JUST, JUST SPLIT UP, UH, THE, UH, A LOT INTO TWO TO GIVE TO HIS, UM, UH, KIDS, AND YOU SAID NO, THEN THE FIRST PERSON THAT I WOULD GO TO, MR. MR. MASON, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? I MEAN, I MEAN, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE INTENT HERE? YOU'RE TREATING ME LIKE A DEVELOPER AND THAT'S WHERE POLITICS WILL GET INVOLVED.
AND, AND IF WE HAD SOME PERSON IN YOUR POSITION THAT LOOKED AT ISSUES LIKE THAT, THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAD A JOB IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO I, I THINK THAT COULD BE, UH, THAT COULD BE TAKEN CARE OF, RIGHT? I THINK, YEAH.
I MEAN, I, I, AGAIN, I TOTALLY, I AGREE WITH THE INTENT.
I'M IMAGINING THAT I'M FILLING OUT AN APPLICATION TO DIVIDE OFF A PIECE OF FARM LAND, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE I'VE GOT TWO CHOICES.
I'M GONNA BE A DEVELOPER, OR I'M GONNA BE FAMILY THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN BY DEFINITION.
AND YOU'VE GOTTA DO YOUR APPLICATION BASED ON THE CODE.
SO I THINK ALL I'M ASKING IS IF WE RECONSIDER THAT LANGUAGE, IF IT'S NOT, IS IT, MAYBE IT GETS CAUGHT BY SAYING IT'S AGRICULTURAL, OR YOU'RE NOT A DEVELOPER.
YOU'RE NOT TECHNICALLY A DEVELOPER IF IT'S LESS THAN TWO LOTS.
BUT, BUT I JUST KNOW SOME FOLKS ARE GONNA SAY, I'M NOT A DEVELOPER.
I'M TRYING TO SPLIT PART A CLAM.
YOU KNOW? AND, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS WOULD ALSO BE THAT.
AND ALSO KNOW I'M NOT TRYING TO SUBDIVIDE, I'M NOT DOING A SUBDIVISION.
IT'S THOSE TERMS AND PEOPLE'S IDEAS OF WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY REPRESENT THAT I THINK ARE A CHALLENGE.
SO I WOULD ASK, IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD RE RELOOK THE LANGUAGE? OKAY.
AND WE COULD TAKE OUT DEVELOPER, BUT THERE'S, YOU WOULD STILL BE A SUBDIVIDED AND YOU WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE SUB.
I LIKE BEING A SUBDIVIDED BETTER THAN IT'S THE SAME.
A DEVELOPER AND A SUBDIVISION.
I TOTALLY AGREE THAT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO MAKE THE REQUIREMENTS UNIFORM AND QUANTIFY THEM.
WHETHER WE DO IT THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE OR WE DO IT INTERNALLY THROUGH THE COUNTY OFFICES WHERE THAT SHOULD HAPPEN.
AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT TWEET? I CAN TWEAK THAT.
THEY CAN APPROVE VALID AS FAR AS PROCESS WE WERE TALKING.
IF YOUR MOTION INCLUDES THAT CHANGE, YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE AMENDMENT TONIGHT AND WE'LL FIX IT UP.
ANYTHING ADDITIONAL, LEE? NO, SIR.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I CAN FIELD ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME? NO, WE'RE GOOD.
THERE'S NO ONE TO TALK TO ME ANYMORE.
SO I OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
NO ONE IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AT, UH, FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
I CLOSED THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
UH, WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD ON 11? 11 FOUR.
WE ADOPT 11 FOUR WITH, UM, THE PRESCRIBED MODIFICATIONS THAT AS LAID OUT BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
USED THE WORD, USED THE WORD WHAT WAS THAT? SUB, SUB SUB, UH, FOR? YES, SPECIFICALLY MR. THE TERM DEVELOPER.
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TO BE DEVELOPER TO BE MODIFIED.WHATEVER YOU DETERMINE SUBDIVIDED AND CHANGE.
TO SUBDIVIDE OR THANK YOU TALK SO LONG.
I'LL SECOND IT AS MUCH AS Y'ALL WENT THROUGH THAT.
SO WE HAVE A MO WE HAVE A MOTION PROPERLY SECONDED ON.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE ONE MORE PUBLIC HEARING, 11 TO FIVE PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND CHAPTER 78 AND CHAPTER 1 0 6 OF MACK COUNTY, UH, CODE REGARDING PERIODS OF VALIDATION FOR CERTAIN APPROVALS.
MR. PBIT? THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THIS AMENDMENT IS TO DEFINITIVELY SPECIFY HOW LONG APPROVALS ARE VALID.
THERE IS NO LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY SPECIFYING THIS AND ESTABLISHING A PERIOD OF VALIDITY WILL DEFINITIVELY ENABLE THE STAFF TO NOTIFY APPLICANT'S EXPIRATION DATES TO RESCIND APPROVALS IF NECESSARY.
IF TOO MUCH TIME HAS ELAPSED, THE MAIN REVISION IS TO ALLOW SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS TO BE VALID FOR FIVE YEARS.
UM, UH, ONE PRIMARY QUESTION FROM PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS AND BRIEFINGS IS THE REQUIRED NOTICE PROVISION FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS IN SECTION 1 0 6 DASH 2 34 1 E.
IT CURRENTLY STATES THAT NOTICE SHALL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE OWNER OR AGENT.
STATE LAW DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT.
AND IT HAS BEEN THE COUNTY'S PRACTICE TO PROVIDE THE REQUIRED NOTICES PER THE CODE OF VIRGINIA SECTION 15.2 DASH 2204, ADVERTISEMENTS AND PLANS, ORDINANCES, ET CETERA, JOINT PUBLIC HEARINGS, WRITTEN NOTICE OF CERTAIN AMENDMENTS.
THE RELEVANT PORTION OF THE ABOVE STATE LAW REFERENCE READS AS FOLLOWING, THE LOCAL PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL NOT RECOMMEND, NOR THE GOVERNING BODY ADOPT ANY PLAN ORDINANCE, AMENDMENT THEREOF UNTIL NOTICE OF INTENTION TO DO SO, HAS BEEN PUBLISHED TWICE IN SOME NEWSPAPER PUBLISHED OR HAVING GENERAL CIRCULATION IN THE LOCALITY WITH THE FIRST NOTICE APPEARING NO MORE THAN 28 DAYS BEFORE.
AND THE SECOND NOTICE APPEARING NO LESS THAN FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE DATE OF THE MEETING REFERENCED IN THE NOTICE.
THIS NOTICE WINDOW REQUIRED BY STATE LAW WITH ITS WHAT'S THAT NOISE WITH ITS, UH, UH, SEVEN DAY MINIMUM TIME BEFORE THE HEARING IS FAR MORE ROBUST THAN THE FIVE DAYS SPECIFIED IN SECTION 1 0 6 2 3 4 1 8.
IN CONCLUSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED SEVEN TO ZERO ON A MOTION BY CHAIRWOMAN WINGFIELD, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RILEY TAYLOR TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 78.
TITLE SUBDIVISIONS SECTIONS, UH, 78 DASH FOUR AND 78 DASH NINE AND CHAPTER 1 0 6 TITLED ZONING SECTIONS 1 0 6 2 26 2 34 AND 2 35 AS PRESENTED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE AKIMA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE FOLLOWING, CHANGE ONE SECTION 1 0 6 2 3 4 1 E CONDITIONAL USE PROCEDURES SHOULD READ NO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SHALL BE CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITHIN 14 DAYS OF ANY SUCH NOTICE.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I CAN FIELD ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? NONE OPEN TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD.
UM, WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? I MOVE.
WE ADOPT AS PRESENTED SECOND, UH, MOTION.
ALRIGHT, MR. PE, YOU CAN REMAIN THERE.
WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO 9.4 UPDATE ON VIRGINIA HOUSING INITIATIVE GRANT PROGRAM.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? UH, THIS IS THE MS. CHAIRMAN.
JUST, JUST A QUESTION FOR YOU.
UM, HOW LONG WILL THIS TAKE? HOW MUCH? UM, WHAT I'M THINKING IS THE, THE AMOUNT OF, I KNOW IT'S NOT MY BUSINESS.
I KNOW IT'S MS. JOHNSON'S DISTRICT.
THEY'VE BEEN SITTING HERE A VERY LONG TIME.
WHY CAN'T WE JUST MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION AND LET THEM YEAH, I, IF MS. JOHNSON WANTS, I DON'T WANNA FORCE THAT.
I I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GONNA GO THIS LONG, BUT YEAH, YOU, YOU, LET'S DO THAT.
SO, MR. JOHNSON? I'M SORRY, MS. JOHNSON.
I'M GLAD YOU DID ACTUALLY, MS. JOHNSON, THANK YOU.
UM, IT'S A PRIVILEGE AND AN HONOR TO PRESENT ON BEHALF OF CHAIRMAN HOWARD, JACKIE PHILLIPS AND VICE CHAIRMAN, CHAIR OF WOMAN, CASSANDRA JUANITA MAJOR.
I AND THE ENTIRE AKIMA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THIS RESOLUTION OF APPRECIATION TO THE 7 5 7 QUEENS.
COULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? THEY'RE GOOD THOUGH.
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THIS RESOLUTION OF APPRECIATION, WHEREAS THE 7 5 7 QUEENS WAS ESTABLISHED ON FEBRUARY THE 10TH, 2010, AS A FEMALE COMMUNITY SERVICE ORGANIZATION FOCUSING ON THE PROVISION OF RESOURCES, SUPPLIES, AND GOODS TO THOSE IN NEED.AND WHEREAS FOR 15 YEARS, THEY HAVE SERVED THE COMMUNITY WITH PROVIDING FOOD DONATIONS TO THOSE EXPERIENCING FOOD INSECURITY AND HAVE PURCHASED COAT SOCKS, COAT WEATHER, CLOTHING TO THOSE IN NEED.
AND THEY HAVE HAD A PROVISION OF MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN HUNTING SUPPLIES, TOILETRIES AND WHEREAS, AND HAVE CONTRACTED AND PAID FOR BARBER AND CO COSMETOLOGY TO YOUTH RETURNING TO SCHOOL, ALONG WITH PURCHASING BACKPACKS AND SCHOOL SUPPLIES FOR STUDENTS.
AND WHEREAS THE 7 5 7 QUEENS DONATED ANNUAL SCHOLARSHIP TO TWO STUDENTS WHO RESIDE ON THE
WHEREAS THE 7 5 7 PROVIDE EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE TO FAMILIES WHO EXPERIENCE LIFE CHANGING EVENTS SUCH AS FIRE, DEATH, HEALTH CRISIS, AND DEATH OF UNSECURED FAMILY MEMBERS.
WHEREAS THE AIMA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WISHES TO RECOGNIZE THE 7, 5 7 QUEENS FOR THEIR NUMEROUS CONTRIBUTIONS AND DEDICATED SERVICE.
AND NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE AIMA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DOES HEREBY EXPRESS ITS GENUINE GRATITUDE AND WISHES TO EXPRESS ITS APPRECIATION FOR 15 YEARS OF SERVICE.
THE ACT, THE 7, 5, 7 QUEENS HAVE DEDICATED TO EMBRACING LIVES OF THOSE IN NEED IN ACUMA COUNTY.
SIGNED 2000, UM, OCTOBER THE 15TH, 2025 BY CHAIRMAN HOWARD, JACKIE PHILLIPS, VANESSA K JOHNSON, DISTRICT THREE.
CASSANDRA AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD TWO OF THEM ARE MY, ARE MEMBERS OF MY CHURCH
SOMEONE TAKE A PICTURE WITH THE CHAIR.
WELL, YOU GR THAT YOU HEARD ME? YOU HEARD ME.
ROBERT CROCKETT KNOWS THIS WAY, RIGHT.
ROBERT, DO YOU WANNA DO THAT ONE MORE TIME? NO.
THANK YOU ALL FOR SITTING THROUGH THAT.
YOU REMEMBER THOSE DAYS THOUGH, WHEN YOU COULD DO THAT? I DO, I DO.
THANKS AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, AGAIN, PRESENTATION, JUST AS IS AN UPDATE ON A GRANT APPLICATION THAT THE STAFF COLLABORATED ON WITH I UNITS.
SO THIS IS THE CROMAC I UNIT INNOVATION GRANT UPDATE.
UM, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE APPLICANT THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH IS BRYCE ANTE WITH I UNIT.
HE'S ALSO THE DESIGNER OF THE STRUCTURES IN, IN, UH, UH, THAT ARE BEING DEMONSTRATED IN, UH, IN, IN PARSLEY.
TWO UNITS WERE SET DURING THE LAST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER.
THEY'RE BOTH ONE STORY PREFAB UNITS, ALTHOUGH ONE IS TECHNICALLY A MANUFACTURED HOME.
THEN I WOULD GET, I WOULD CHALLENGE ANYBODY TO GO OUT THERE TO PARSLEY AT THE INTERSECTION OF WILLOW STREET AND JONES AVENUE AND TELL ME WHICH ONE IS WHICH.
THEY'RE, UH, THEY ARE, UM, VERY ATTRACTIVE UNITS.
UH, THEY'RE PREFABRICATED IN WINCHESTER, VIRGINIA.
THE APPLICATION THAT WAS, UH, THAT, UH, UH, THAT WAS SUBMITTED WAS FOR $500,000, UH, GRANT.
AND THAT WAS ONE DURING THE INAUGURAL OFFERING OF THE GRANT.
SO THE VERY FIRST YEAR THAT VIRGINIA HOUSING CAME UP WITH THE PROGRAM, OMA COUNTY AND I UNIT, UM, WAS ONE OF ONLY FIVE WINNING APPLICATIONS.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UH, IF YOU HAVE A MOMENT, TAKE A LOOK AT THE OTHER GRANT WINNERS FROM 2024 JUST TO SEE WHAT, UM, WHAT'S BEING ENABLED BY THESE GRANTS, UH, ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH.
UM, I LEARNED AFTER I HAD SUBMITTED THIS,
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UH, UH, THIS SLIDE DECK THAT THE RIBBON CUTTING IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE IN DECEMBER.I BELIEVE IT WAS EITHER DECEMBER 12TH OR 14TH.
BUT, UH, RIBBON CUTTING IS EXPECTED IN DECEMBER.
I ALSO WANTED TO, UH, GIVE KUDOS TO THE STAFF LEAD ON THIS SHAUNTICE RIDLEY AS THE COUNTY PLANNER.
SHE'S THE ONE WHO'S DOING A LOT OF THE HEAVY LIFTING, ALTHOUGH THE COUNTY DID NOT WRITE THE APPLICATION.
WE ARE ADMINISTERING IT ON BEHALF OF I UNIT.
I UNIT IS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY WROTE THE APPLICATION.
WE CLICKED SUBMIT AND WE'RE THE ONES WHO ARE DOING ALL THE REPORTING TO THE, UH, UH, UH, TO VIRGINIA HOUSING.
THE PURPOSE OF THE GRANT IS TO SUPPORT BREAKTHROUGHS IN BOTH HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND HOUSING SERVICES FOR LOW AND MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.
THE SECONDARY PURPOSE IS TO ENCOURAGE PARTNERS TO DEVELOP NEW TECHNICAL AND PROCESS BASED SOLUTIONS THAT WHILE UNCOMMON NOW COULD BE EASILY REPLICATED.
THE INNOVATIONS THAT ARE FEATURED IN THESE UNITS INCLUDE, UM, BEING THE FIRST FACTORY BUILT HOME TO HAVE INSUL STUD INSTALLED AS PART OF THE STRUCTURES FRAMING.
SECONDLY, ENERGY EFFICIENT LIGHTING AND APPLIANCES.
THIRDLY, HEAT PUMP, MECHANICAL SYSTEMS INCLUDING HEAT PUMP, WATER HEATERS, AND FOURTH AND FINALLY, FACTORY INSTALLED SOLAR SHINGLES.
SO, UH, THE INTENT IS FOR THESE TO BE NET ZERO.
SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE, WELL, IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE, BUT THIS IS THE TOWN BOUNDARY BETWEEN, UM, UH, UH, BETWEEN THE TOWN OF PARSLEY AND AKIMA COUNTY.
AND THESE ARE THE LOTS RIGHT HERE WHERE THOSE TWO UNITS ARE BEING SET JUST INSIDE THE TOWN BOUNDARY.
AND THESE ARE THE UNITS HERE AS I HAD MENTIONED.
ONE IS A, ONE IS A MODULAR, AND THE OTHER ONE'S TECHNICALLY A MANUFACTURED HOUSE.
HOWEVER, THE TOWN OF PARKLEY DID HAVE TO, UH, DID HAVE TO, TO, UH, GRANT A VARIANCE FOR THE MANUFACTURED FOR THE MANUFACTURED HOME.
AND THESE ARE JUST SOME IMAGES FROM, UM, FROM THE, UH, FROM THE FACTORY WHERE THE UNITS WERE BEING INSTALLED.
UH, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THESE GENTLEMEN HERE ARE, UH, INSTALLING THE, UH, ROOF MOUNTED, UH, SOLAR SHINGLES.
THIS IS OUR PARTNER, BRYCE LACONTE HERE.
UH, JUST AS AN ASIDE, I'VE KNOWN BRYCE SINCE I WORKED FOR THE TOWN OF STRASSBURG.
I MET HIM IN 2018 WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY FROM HENRICO COUNTY.
AND WE'VE DEVELOPED A RELATIONSHIP OVER THE YEARS, AND I CONSIDER HIM A, A KNOWN QUANTITY IN, IN THE HOUSING, UH, IN THE HOUSING REALM, WHICH IS WHY WHEN I GOT HERE, HE HAD MENTIONED TO ME PREVIOUSLY THAT HE WAS LOOKING AT ACK COUNTY.
THIS WAS BEFORE I EVEN KNEW THAT, UM, THAT THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION WAS OPEN.
SO BEFORE, BEFORE THERE WERE ANY DESIGNS OF ME COMING HERE, BRYCE WAS ALREADY LOOKING AT MACK.
WHEN I LEARNED THAT I WAS COMING HERE, I REACHED OUT TO BRYCESON AND SAID, HEY, GUESS WHERE I'M GOING NEXT? I'M GOING TO MACK.
SO THAT RELATIONSHIP HAS, UH, HAS, UH, HAS BEEN, UM, UH, DEVELOPED OVER SEVERAL YEARS, AND YOU'RE JUST STARTING TO SEE SOME OF THE FRUITS OF THAT RELATIONSHIP.
HE WANTS TO APPLY FOR MORE MONEY, FOUR MORE UNITS HERE IN FOR ADDITIONAL UNITS HERE IN AAC.
UM, THAT CONCLUDES THIS UPDATE.
AND I CAN FIELD ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I JUST HAVE ONE.
HOW WOULD, HOW WAS THIS SECTION CHOSEN? I MEAN, HOW WOULD, HOW WAS, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE WHY WAS PARKS CHOSEN? I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING AGAINST PARKS, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WHY WAS THAT PARTICULAR AREA CHOSEN? UM, FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS.
SO THEY HAD THE PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL THAT? YES, MA'AM.
IS THERE A SQUARE FOOTAGE COST FROM THESE HOUSES? YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, UH, THE, THE ACTUAL GROUND AMOUNT GRANT AMOUNT WAS CLOSER TO $498,000.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST DO SOME BASIC MATH, THAT'S, THAT'S STILL A LOT FOR THESE TWO UNITS.
BUT THESE ARE FOR DEMONSTRATION PURPOSES.
AND, AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE INTENT IS FOR THE PRICES TO COME DOWN ON THAT AS THEY RIGHT.
AS, AS, AS, AS THEY LEARN HOW TO PROCESS OR AS, AS THEY LEARN HOW TO ASSEMBLE THESE BETTER AND MORE EFFICIENTLY IN THE FACTORY.
OKAY, PAM, YOU CAN ACTUALLY TAKE A BREAK.
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THANK YOU CHAIRMAN PHILLIPS, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MIKE MASON, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.WE'RE ON ITEM 12.1, WHICH AGAIN IS, UH, REVIEW THE RESULTS OF THE DEPARTMENT, TAXATIONS 2025, WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE ACRONYM OF THE ESR, UM, STUDY AND, AND ITS IMPLI IMPLICATIONS.
SO, UM, JUST TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT, UM, WHAT THIS STUDY MEANS TO AK CMAC.
SO IN SEPTEMBER, THE COUNTY RECEIVED THE RESULTS FROM, UH, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT, TAXATION'S, LATEST ERS.
UM, THE CURRENT ERS COMPARED THE SALES PRICES OF REAL ESTATE SOLD IN AKIMA COUNTY IN 2024 TO THE THIS YEAR'S CURRENT ASSESSED VALUE.
SO AGAIN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BASICALLY DOING A SAMPLE AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THE PROPERTY SOLD FOR IN 2024, COMPARING IT TO THE ASSESSED VALUES FOR TAX PURPOSES.
UH, THE IMPORTANT THING HERE IS THE ESR IS, IS, I KEEP SWITCHING THAT ACRONYM, DON'T I? BUT IT IS USED TO COMPUTE THE LOCAL ASSESSMENT RATIO, WHICH IS THEN USED BY THIS, THIS IS ACRONYM SUP HERE, BUT BY THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION TO CALCULATE THE TAXABLE VALUE OF PUBLIC SERVICE CORPORATION PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY.
SO PUBLIC SERVICE, PROPER, UH, PROPERTY IS GONNA CONSIST OF PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY, UH, A AND EC, UM, OD DECK, UH, COMMONWEALTH CHESAPEAKE.
UM, THE PEAKER PLANT, UH, THE SOLAR FACILITY UP THERE IS A LOT OF VALUE THAT'S TIED UP AND, UM, PUBLIC SERVICE CORPORATION PROPERTY AND SIGNIFICANT HERE IN AKIMA COUNTY.
UM, SO ANOTHER KEY DISTINCTION IS PUBLIC SERVICE CORPORATION VALUES ARE THE ONLY REAL PROPERTY TAX VALUES, NOT COMPUTED BY THE COUNTY ASSESSOR FOR PROPERTY TAX PURPOSES.
SO YOU GOT ALL THE OTHER PROPERTY IN ACK THAT, UM, THE COUNTY ASSESSOR'S OFFICE IS VALUING.
THEN YOU HAVE THIS COMPONENT, WHICH IS THE VALUES ARE COMING FROM THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION AND ARE RELYING ON THIS LOCAL ASSESSMENT RATIO.
UH, THE, AND, AND AGAIN, THIS, IT'S, IT'S DONE THIS WAY BECAUSE THAT RATIO IS USED TO EQUALIZE PUBLIC SERVICE CORPORATION PROPERTY AS COMPARED TO REAL PROPERTY VALUE BY THE COUNTY'S DEPARTMENT OF ASSESSMENT.
SO WHAT, WHAT THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS IS IF, IF THE, AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THE RATIO RESULTS HERE IN A SECOND, BUT IF, IF PUBLIC, IF, IF REAL PROPERTY THAT BRENT AND HIS GROUP, HIS DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR VALUING IS, UM, IF, IF THE SALES OF THAT PROPERTY ARE APPROXIMATELY 80% OF, OF, UM, OR LET ME BACK UP AND GO, LET ME JUST SHOW YOU HERE,
THE ESR, IF, IF THERE, IF IT'S 81% OF FAIR MARKET VALUE, THAT THAT MEANS THAT THE THE LOCAL SALES RATIO IS, IS TO EQUALIZE THAT AND MAKE IT ON COMPARABLE TERMS TO OTHER PROPERTIES.
SO THE, THE GOAL HERE IS, IS TO HAVE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR BOTH PUBLIC SERVICE CORPORATION PROPERTY AND REAL ESTATE PROPERTY, UM, THAT'S VALUED BY THE DEPARTMENT ASSESSMENT.
SO, UM, THE ISSUE AT HAND IS THE MEDIUM RATIO, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE FOR 2025, AND THIS WAS THE PRIOR YEAR, RIGHT HERE HAS DECREASED FROM 90.29% TO 81.07%.
UM, AND, AND THAT HAS, UH, A, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UM, REVENUE IMPACT TO THE COUNTY.
IT'S, IT'S PROJECTED TO DECREASE COUNTY REVENUES AND APPLY 26 BY AN ESTIMATED $246,000.
UM, AND WE, WE HAVE SEEN FLUCTUATIONS BEFORE IN THIS RATIO, BUT TYPICALLY THEY'RE NOT THIS LARGE.
A COUPLE YEARS AGO THERE WAS A LARGE SWING, IT REBOUNDED, BUT NOW IT'S DROPPED BACK DOWN AGAIN, AGAIN.
SO WHAT WHAT THIS IS GONNA DO IS IT'S GONNA CAUSE THE PUBLIC SERVICE VALUATION, UM, THE VALUE ON THAT PROPERTY TO GO DOWN, AND THUS THE TAX REVENUES ASSOCIATED FROM THAT PROPERTY ARE GONNA GO DOWN.
AND SO WE PLAN ON BRINGING BACK A, A BUDGET, UH, AMENDMENT TO ADDRESS THIS.
BUT ONE OF THE KEY POINTS HERE IS JUST REMEMBER WHEN WE'RE TALKING TAX REVENUE PORTIONS OF THIS REVENUE DEDICATE FOR SPECIFIC THINGS LIKE, UM, EMS COVERAGE FOR, UH, SCHOOL DEBT SERVICE FOR, UM, FUNDING TO LOCAL FIRE COMPANIES.
SO IT IMPACTS ALL THOSE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND, AND COSTS.
SO, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. MASON, IT HAS A, A SIDE EFFECT ALSO THAT TELLS ME THAT WHEN
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WE REASSESS NEXT YEAR, THOSE VALUES ARE GOING TO INCREASE QUITE A BIT BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY ARE, WHEN THE STATE DID THEIRS, IT WAS A YEAR AFTER WE DID OURS.SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS INCREASE THERE.
WE WERE AT 90% AND BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE OF THE VALUE OF REAL ESTATE, THAT LOWERED US TO THE 80%.
SO, SO I THINK, UH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN INTERESTED REASSESSMENT NEXT YEAR.
THAT IS, THAT IS ONE TAKEAWAY FROM IT ALSO.
THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU, MR. JONES.
SO, AGAIN, THERE'S NO ACTION NEEDED HERE.
THIS IS JUST INFORMATION TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, THAT THAT RATIO HAS CHANGED AND IT IS GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT ON A REVENUE STREAM.
ALRIGHT, MR. MASON, YOU CAN CONTINUE ON WITH 12.2.
CONSIDER REQUESTING FROM THE MIMA MANOR LLC TO EXTEND THE MATURITY OF A DEED OF TRUST.
SO THIS, THIS WILL TAKE A FEW SLIDES, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO GO BACK, UH, WE'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT 20 YEARS OF HISTORY HERE.
AND SO I WANT TO KIND OF WALK BACK ON THIS PROJECT, WHAT HAPPENED 20 YEARS AGO AND BRING IT FORWARD AND WHAT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, UM, TO, TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE AT HAND.
SO, UH, AND YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD THIS THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, THIS EVENING, BUT MACK MANOR IS AN EXISTING THREE STORY MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT BUILDING THAT'S LOCATED ON THE TOMKIN ROAD IN PARKLEY.
AND THE FACILITY CONSISTS OF 90 AFFORDABLE UNITS AND TWO MANAGEMENT UNITS.
AND IT WAS CONSTRUCTED BACK IN 2005.
AND IT HAS BEEN OWNED BY MACK MANOR, LLC, WITH THE MARK DANA CORPORATION.
SO, UM, TO, TO FACILITATE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS FACILITY, IN 2005, THE COUNTY WAS AWARDED A $700,000 COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT GRANT, UM, FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO PAY FOR THE SITE WORK ASSOCIATED WITH A MACK MANOR.
UM, IN TURN, THE COUNTY AGREED TO LEARN LOAN $630,000 OF THOSE CIG FUNDS, UH, TO MACK MANOR, LLC, TO PAY FOR A WELL WATER SYSTEM, UH, SEWAGE TREATMENT SYSTEM, ROADS AND SIDEWALKS.
AND, AND THAT LOAN IS SECURED BY A DEED OF TRUST, AND THAT'S RECORDED IN THE CLARKS OFFICE.
UH, THE GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND DHCD REQUIRES A PROJECT TO CONTINUE TO SERVE LOW AND MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS FOR 20 YEARS AFTER THE INITIAL DATE OF OCCUPANCY, OR THE COUNTY, COUNTY WILL BE REQUIRED TO REPAY THE GRANT TO D-H-C-D-D-D-H-C-D.
THE IMPORTANT THING IS, THAT'S NOT 20 YEARS FROM THE LOAN, THAT'S 20 YEARS FROM THE DATE OF OCCUPANCY, WHICH OCCURRED A COUPLE YEARS LATER, RIGHT? IT TOOK TIME TO CONSTRUCT A BUILDING.
SO, AS, AS WE START TALKING ABOUT FUTURE SOLUTIONS, WE WANNA BE VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT, OF THAT, UH, REQUIREMENT AND MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE COUNTY TO HAVE TO REPAY THOSE FUNDS.
UH, THE, THE DEED OF TRUST NOTE INCLUDED PROVISIONS FOR SIMPLE INTEREST AT A RATE OF 1% PER ANNUM WITH PRINCIPAL AND ALL ACCRUED INTEREST DUE 20 YEARS FROM THE DATE OF THE AGREEMENT, WHICH IS NOVEMBER 3RD, 2025.
UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S, WE'RE NOW AT THE 20 YEAR MARCHES JUST ABOUT.
SO IN MAY, UH, OF THIS YEAR, COUNTY OFFICIALS MET WITH THE PRESIDENT OF MARK DANA, UH, CORPORATION, MR. COLER, REGARDING THIS LOAN.
UM, AT HIS REQUEST, UM, MR. COOGLER CONTENDS THAT IN 2005, THERE WAS A UNWRITTEN AGREEMENT THAT THE LOAN WOULD BE FORGIVEN AT ITS MATURITY AS LONG AS THE RENTS WERE KEPT BELOW MARKER FOR THE 20 YEARS.
UM, AND WE'VE ATTACHED A LOT OF DOCUMENTS TO YOUR AGENDA TO TRY TO CAPTURE, UM, UH, THE DIFFERENT MILESTONES OF THIS PROJECT.
EVERYTHING FROM GRANT AGREEMENTS TO DEEDS OF TRUST, UH, DIFFERENT LETTERS FROM BETWEEN THE COUNTY, DHCD, YOU NAME IT.
UH, BUT, AND, AND GOING THROUGH ALL THIS INFORMATION, NONE OF THESE DOCUMENTS SPECIFY THE LOAN WAS BE FORGIVEN AT MATURITY.
TO BE CLEAR, ONE DOCUMENT DID CLEARLY INDICATE THAT DHCD WAS INITIALLY GOING TO REQUIRE THE GRANT FUNDS THAT WERE LOANED BY THE COUNTY TO MACK MANOR TO BE REPAID OVER THE FIRST 20 YEARS OF OPERATIONS WITH THESE PROCEEDS USED TO REDUCE THE RENTS OF THE NEEDIES OF THE LOWER INCOME RESIDENCE.
HOWEVER, DHCD WITHDREW THAT REQUIREMENT DUE THE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON THE PLANNED RENT SCHEDULE.
SO AGAIN, THEY WERE INITIALLY, UM, GOING TO REQUIRE THE LOAN TO BE REPAID OVER ITS TERM.
AND THEN DHCD LATER CAME BACK AND SAID, NO, THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT.
UM, AND, AND, AND IT IS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT TENANTS RENTS HAD BEEN BELOW THE MARKET FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE LOAN PERIOD THUS FAR.
UM, WHICH AGAIN, IS, IS THE LOAN PERIOD AND, AND THE PERIOD FOR WHICH THE RENTS HAD BEEN, UM, BELOW MARKET OR ABOUT TWO YEARS DIFFERENCE.
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REQUESTED THE MATURITY OF THE NO BE EXTENDED FOR AT LEAST FIVE YEARS.UM, AND, AND TO PURCHASE A NOTE FOR A DI MINIMIS AMOUNT, UM, BOTH OF WHICH WILL ALLOW MACK TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THE RENTS AFFORDABLE, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TIME FOR A NEW APPLICATION TO BE DEVELOPED AND SUBMITTED FOR, FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL HOUSING TAX CREDITS THAT IF AWARDED WOULD BE USED TO PROVIDE A, A SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATION TO THE PROPERTY AND TO MAKE THE AFFIRMATION HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATION MORE COMPETITIVE BY DEMONSTRATING ECAC SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.
UH, WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TONIGHT IS, UM, AND THIS IS SUBJECT TO MACK MAYOR'S FULL EXECUTION OF EXTENSION DOCUMENTS, UM, TO THAT'LL THAT ARE GONNA BE PREPARED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
UM, THE, THE EXECUTION OF THAT IS, IS SUBJECT TO THIS AND, UM, THAT, THAT THAT EXTENSION WOULD BE UNTIL JANUARY 31ST, 2026.
SO BASICALLY, WE, WE NEED SOME TIME TO LOOK AT THIS FURTHER, TO TALK WITH THE OWNERS TO CRAFT LEGAL DOCUMENTS TO SUPPORT, UM, WHERE WE GO NEXT WITH THIS.
AND SO, AGAIN, THE IDEA IS IT WILL ALLOW STAFF ADDITIONAL TIME TO DISCUSS PAYMENT OPTIONS WITH THE OWNER, UH, TO ASSESS THE IMPACT SHOULD A DEFAULT OCCUR.
AND I'M NOT SAYING IT WILL, BUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IT DID TO FORMULATE A PLAN THAT MINIMIZES THE IMPACT OF A POSSIBLE DEFAULT ON THE RESIDENTS OF THOSE UNITS, UM, THAT ARE PART OF THE HOUSING COMPLEX, AND TO PREPARE ALL NECESSARY, UH, LEGAL DOCUMENTS.
SO, UH, WE WOULD EXPECT IN, IN, IN JANUARY TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU WITH ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION OF HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.
BUT FOR NOW, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, IS A THREE MONTH EXTENSION, UM, SUBJECT TO, UM, THE DOCUMENTS BEING SIGNED, UH, BY, UH, MACK MANOR, LLC.
ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, SUPERVISOR WASHINGTON? YES, I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO OFFER A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MATURITY DATE OF THE DEED OF TRUST NO TILL JANUARY, UH, JANUARY 31ST, 2026, SUBJECT TO ACUMA COUNTY MANUALS, FULL EX EX, UH, EXCLUSION OF THE EXTENSION DOCUMENT AS PRESENTED BY THE COUNTY.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION PROPERLY SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
MR. BECK, YOU'RE UP TOGETHER, DISCUSS CURRENT ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, LOCATION OF TRAVEL TRAILERS.
UM, UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE BOARD, UH, LEAD PAM, A DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO I AM, UH, UH, PRESENTING SOME, UM, UH, SOME INFORMATION ON TRAVEL TRAILERS AND THE PROLIFERATION OF TRAVEL TRAILERS.
AND CAN WE GET THIS LINE? WE GO, AND THIS IS AN INTRODUCTION TO THE ISSUE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF HAS BEEN MAKING OBSERVATIONS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
WE'RE REALLY LONGER THAN THAT, BUT, UH, BASICALLY THE, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS HAS, UH, DISCUSSED THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS AND THEY'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THE CASELOAD AND THE RESULTING PROLIFERATION OF TRAVEL TRAILERS.
UM, THE B Z'S ROLE IN, UH, IN, IN TRAVEL TRAILERS IS TO REVIEW AND DECIDE ON SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR RVS, RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, TRAVEL TRAILERS.
THEY'RE ALL BASICALLY THE SAME THING.
THE MAIN ISSUES OF THE PROLIFERATION ARE FIVEFOLD NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC SAFETY IN THAT REGARD.
SOME OF THESE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY'RE TRAVEL TRAILERS OR EVEN SINGLE WIDES, UH, UH, SOME OF THEM ARE IN REALLY POOR CONDITION.
UH, SECONDLY, ENVIRONMENTAL AND FLOODPLAIN PROTECTION, WHERE, UH, SOME OF THESE ARE GOING INTO THESE, UM, INTO RPAS OR INTO THE FLOODPLAIN ILLEGALLY WITHOUT ANY PRIOR PERMISSION.
THIRDLY, WASTE DISPOSAL IS ANOTHER ISSUE WHERE WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE DISPOSING OF THE WASTE IF THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED TO A SEPTIC SYSTEM.
UH, FOUR IS DENSITY WHERE WE'VE SEEN APPLICATIONS FOR A, UH, FOR A LARGE NUMBER OF, UH, OF TRAVEL TRAILERS ON A SMALL PIECE OF PROP, SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
JUST RECENTLY, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, UM, UH, FIELDED A CASE WHERE ON TWO ACRES OF, UH, TWO ACRES OF PROPERTY THE APPLICANT HAD CITED, UH, OR HAD LOCATED 12 TRAVEL TRAILERS ON A TWO ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY CONTAINING A HOUSE.
AND THAT SITUATION HAD ACTUALLY BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR, UH, FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AT LEAST 10 YEARS.
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NUMBER FIVE, JUST THE GENERAL INCOMPATIBILITY OF TRAVEL TRAILER PROLIFERATION WITH THE COUNTY'S RURAL CHARACTER.WE'VE ALL NOTICED TRAVEL TRAILERS GOING UP AND DOWN THE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, AS WE'RE DRIVING UP AND DOWN THE ROADS.
UH, AND THAT PROLIFERATION IS RESULT OF THE, UM, UH, EITHER ILLEGAL PLACEMENT OR THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS CASELOAD AND SUBSEQUENT APPROVAL OF TRAVEL TRAILER SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
HERE ARE SOME, UH, UH, SOME BASIC STATISTICS.
THE, UH, THE LEFT TABLE IS THE NUMBER OF NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS.
UH, THAT'S A TOTAL OF 201 CASES SINCE JANUARY OF 2021.
SO, UH, YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE NUMBER OF BZA CASES THAT THE, THAT THEY'VE HEARD SINCE JANUARY OF 20 21, 26, TOTAL APPLICATIONS FOR A, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 36 TRAILERS APPROVED LEGALLY.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE DISPARITY 201 VERSUS 36, AND WE HAVE ONE ZONING INSPECTOR OR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ON THE ZONING SIDE, MIKE MILLBURN, WHO WAS THE RESULT OF, OR HIS POSITION WAS THE RESULT OF SOME, UH, UH, BOARD DELIBERATIONS YEARS AGO FOR THIS SPECIFIC REASON OF TRAVEL TRAILERS.
WHAT ARE TRAVEL TRAILERS? HOW ARE THEY DEFINED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE? THEY'RE CONSIDERED, OR THEY'RE DEFINED AS PORTABLE STRUCTURES BUILT ON A CHASSIS DESIGNED TO BE USED AS A TEMPORARY OCCUPANCY FOR TRAVEL, RECREATION, OR VACATION BEING LESS THAN 36 FEET IN LENGTH.
WHERE ARE THEY ALLOWED? THEY'RE ALLOWED IN THE AGRICULTURAL AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UH, THERE'S ALSO A CATCHALL LANGUAGE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH HAS BEEN, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN EMPLOYED.
THIS CATCHALL LANGUAGE IS ACTUALLY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROVISION, UH, IN THE AG AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
AND IT STATES THE USE OF LAND NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED AS A USE, PERMITTED BY RIGHT, UH, OR BY SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, SPECIAL USE IN THE AG DISTRICT REGULATIONS OR IN THE, IN THE, UM, IN THE OTHER CASE OF RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT REGULATIONS, WHICH IS CLEARLY SIMILAR AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE USES LISTED THEREIN.
SO, SO, UH, IN TERMS OF STAFF SUGGESTIONS, WE WOULD SUGGEST ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO BETTER CLARIFY THE USE, THE ALLOWABLE LOCATIONS, THE TIMING, AND THE DESIGN STANDARDS INVOLVED IN TRAVEL TRAILERS.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, IN, IN ONE OF THEIR MOST RECENT CASES, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS WAS CONSIDERING THAT, UH, THAT 12, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE 12 RVS ON A TWO ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND THE QUESTION OF, WELL, HOW FAR APART DO THEY NEED TO BE? WHAT'S NOT SPECIFIED IN ZONING? ALTHOUGH, UH, THESE WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE BUILDING CODE.
THE BUILDING CODE GENERALLY REQUIRES 10 FEET BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, FOR EXAMPLE.
UH, ANOTHER STAFF SUGGESTION WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT THAT MAKES IT EASIER TO ALLOW A TRAVEL TRAILER TEMPORARILY WHILE A HOUSE IS BEING CONSTRUCTED OR RENOVATED.
SO IF WE GO BACK TO THIS, UH, THIS SLIDE WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, WITH THE TABLES, UH, AGAIN, IN THE AG AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY ARE BUILDING A NEW HOUSE OR IF THEY'RE HEAVILY RENOVATING A HOUSE, THEN YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, THE, THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE GET A LOT OF IS, WE'RE DOING THIS TO THIS HOME, THIS HOME.
WE'RE BUILDING A HOME, WE'RE RENOVATING A HOME.
UM, WE CAN'T OCCUPY THE HOME, BUT WE NEED TO BE ON SITE.
CAN WE HAVE AN RV ON SITE WHILE WE, UH, WHILE WE CONDUCT THIS ACTIVITY? AGAIN, THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF OBTAINING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, MAKING THEIR CASE TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR THAT, AND THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO, UH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE JUST TWO SUGGESTIONS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION.
UH, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE THE END OF MY REPORT.
BUT GETTING BACK TO SUGGESTIONS, A NEXT POSSIBLE STEP WOULD BE TO, UH, WOULD BE TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO DRAFT AN INITIATING RESOLUTION TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BRING THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND FOR US TO STUDY THIS MORE IN DEPTH.
BUT THAT NOW CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I CAN TRY TO FEEL ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
TRAVEL TRAILER TO ME IS ANYTHING THAT HAS AXLES OR WHEELS, OKAY.
OTHER THAN THAT, THE SINGLE WIVES IN MOBILE HOMES, FEDERAL OWNED FOUNDATION, YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERING THAT.
UM, SINGLE WIDES AND, UH, SINGLE WIDES AND MOBILE HOMES, THEY HAVE AXLES AND THEY HAVE WHEELS.
BUT ONCE THEY'RE SET ON A FOUNDATION, THEY'RE GENERALLY, QUOTE UNQUOTE, PERMANENT.
RIGHT? OF COURSE, THEY CAN BE LIFTED AND MOVED ELSEWHERE, BUT RVS ARE TEND TO BE, UM, ROAD READY, RIGHT? WHERE THEY CAN BE CONNECTED TO A, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S NOT A SELF-PROPELLED, UH, UH, VEHICLE, THEY CAN BE TRAILER FIRST WHEEL
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OR TOW.SO BASICALLY, THIS ORDINANCE REALLY ONLY DEALS WITH TRAVEL TRAILERS AND THE MOBILE HOME ISSUE IS NOT BEING ADDRESSED.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SINGLE-WIDE MANUFACTURED HOMES AT THIS, UH, WITH, WITH THIS ISSUE.
'CAUSE I KNOW SOMEONE WILL ASK.
I MOVE, WE, UH, APPROVE, UH, MR. MADMAN'S REQUEST? NO.
CONSIDER APPROVING 2025 BACO VOTING CREDENTIALS AND PROXY.
ARE YOU GONNA DO THAT OR DO WE NEED TO JUST GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS IT? IS THAT, UH, IS THAT NORMALLY, UH, SUPERVISOR HART? UH, IN THAT CASE IT'S USUALLY MIKE.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, HE'LL TELL, GO AHEAD MIKE.
ALL THIS IS IS TO DESIGNATE WHO CAN CAST A VOTE AT THE ANNUAL MEETING FOR VACO AT THE VACO CONFERENCE.
VERY SELDOM THERE ARE ANY VOTES, BUT IF SOMETHING WOULD POP UP, I THINK MIKE WOULD BE A GOOD, WELL, WE'VE DONE IT IN PAST, IT IS BEEN A SUPERVISOR TOO.
MR. PARKS IS GOING, BUT I'M JUST SAYING MIKE USUALLY IS ON TOP OF EVERYTHING AND KEEPS TRACK OF WHATEVER'S GOING ON.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT MR. MASON BE THE, UH, SANTIAL VOTING, UH, AND PROXY PERSON THAT THEY GO.
DO WE HAVE TO DO AN ALTERNATE TOO? IT SAYS NO.
YES, THEY WOULD PREFER AN ALTERNATE.
SO WHO, WHO WOULD, UH, I AM, WELL, I'M ONLY GONNA SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF MR. PARKS IS STAYING THE WHOLE TIME.
IF HE IS, I WOULD THINK HE WOULD BE GOOD, BUT USUALLY YOU ALL HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE.
I HAVE TO STAY ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE MEETING, RIGHT? YOU ALL LEAVE, UH, AND GET ON OUT ON THE ROAD BEFORE I ACTUALLY MR. HART AS THE, UH, RIGHT.
WAIT, THE IS PARKS OKAY WITH THAT MR. HART? YEAH, I'M FINE.
YOU STAND FOR THE ENTIRETY? NO.
NOBODY USUALLY STATE EXCEPT FOR ME.
I HAVE TO, MR. MR. MASON IS THE PRIMARY.
AND MR. HART IS, WE HAVE A MOTION AND PROPERLY SECONDED BY SUPER
UM, MR. UH, MIKE? UH, YOU CAN, MR. MASON, YOU CAN STAND BY.
HE IS, MOST OF THE TIME HE IS ASKED SEVERAL, SEVERAL ITEMS UNDER A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORT.
UM, MOST OF THEM DON'T REQUIRE ANY ACTION.
I'M GONNA INTRODUCE SOMETHING UNDER, UNDER OTHER THAT I, I DO WANT YOUR APPROVAL ON, BUT I'LL START WITH, UM, 13.1, UH, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH TRANSLATOR TELEVISION SERVICES.
AND, AND THE BOARD WILL CERTAINLY RECALL THAT THE COUNTY PROVIDES TRANSLATOR, UH, TV SERVICES, WHICH ARE DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT, UH, THE COUNTY THROUGH THE MAPS FIELD COMMUNICATION TOWER.
UH, WHAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW IS THAT THIS SERVICE, UH, ENTIRELY RELIES ON A FEED FROM CHARTER.
AND HOW IT WORKS IS THE FEED COMES IN FROM CHARTER AND THEN IS RE-BROADCAST VIA THE COUNTY TOWER.
UH, TRANS OR TV HAS BEEN EXPERIENCING SOME OUTAGES.
UM, SINCE JUNE, UP UNTIL SEPTEMBER 4TH, THERE WERE NINE OUTAGES, UM, WITH THE LAST ONE ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, LASTING FROM 7:00 AM TO 5:30 PM UH, THE GOOD NEWS IS CHARTER HAS INFORMED THE COUNTY THAT THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN CORRECTED, AND IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN NO FURTHER OUTAGES SINCE SEPTEMBER 4TH.
UH, MANY OF SOME OF YOU MAY ASK, WHAT'S THE ANNUAL COST OF TRANSLATOR TELEVISION SERVICES? IT'S RUNNING ABOUT $23,000, UM, NORMAL OPERATING COSTS, BUT WE ARE EXPECTING SOME, UH, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT NUMBERS, UM, NEXT FISCAL YEAR, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 75,000 AND A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO REPLACE THE EQUIPMENT NEEDED FOR THE SERVICE.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD'S GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS.
UH, I I THINK IN THE FY 27 BUDGET TO DELIBERATIONS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? SURE.
ONE, UM, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN I, YOU GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS,
AND DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY CITIZENS ARE USING IT NOW? NOW I GO THINK USAGE.
WELL, A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED.
AND, AND SO WE, WE, WE HAVE KNOWN, UH, FOLKS WHO USE IT, WHO, WHO REGULARLY INFORM US WHEN IT'S OUT.
BUT THERE, THERE'S A TOWER DOWN IN, UH, DISTRICT I VILLE.
BUT THAT WE DON'T, WE THEY DON'T USE THAT ANYMORE.
WELL, THE, THE NEWEST USE OF IT IS 9 1 1.
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DON? YEAH.UH, JUST AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT OUR ANNUAL ORGANIZATION-WIDE INFORMATION SECURITY AWARENESS TRAINING, UM, HAS BEGUN.
WE ALWAYS TRY TO CONVINCE THE BOARD MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
UM, I DO THAT THROUGH MY, MY, MY, YEAH.
AND, AND THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE EMPLOYERS THAT REQUIRE IT, WE, WE, WE COUNT.
WILL YOU TAKE THAT? WE CHECK THE BOX.
BUT FOR THE REST OF YOU, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO, UH, COMPLETE ALONG WITH OTHER COUNTY EMPLOYEES BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE DEADLINE, MR. BA REALLY? YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET, YOU'LL START GETTING NASTY EMAILS IF YOU DON'T, CAN'T YOU HAVE THEM? YEAH.
I WOULD SEND A LINK OR ANYTHING.
YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET THOSE AUTOMATICALLY.
BUT AGAIN, THIS, THE WHOLE DESIRE IS TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE FULLY INFORMED AND PROTECT YOU FROM, FROM, UM, THOSE BAD ACTORS OUT THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO, UM, CAUSE HAVOC, YOU KNOW, EMBARRASS YOU.
SO, UM, THAT ANNOUNCEMENT, UH, I HAVE, UH, COMMENTED ON A TIME AND ATTENDANCE APPLICATION THAT, UH, COUNTY STAFF WAS LOOKING ON IMPLEMENTING, UM, FOR BEEN OVER A YEAR NOW.
WE DID, WE DID GO LIVE WITH THAT APPLICATION, UH, AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S UP AND, AND BEING UTILIZED.
UH, AND I'M, I'M BEING OVERLY BRIEF 'CAUSE NIGHT'S GETTING LONG AND
BUT IF I'M, I, I, I'M NOT TOP OF LABEL IT EITHER.
BUT IS THE, UM, CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION, MICHELLE? SURE.
UM, HOW ABOUT THE, UM, ACCRUAL RICKS AND IS IT ALL THAT UP TO DATE? I MEAN, AS FAR AS WITH THE EMPLOYEE CAN GO? YEAH.
IT, WE INITIALLY WENT LIVE, WE DID NOT HAVE EVERYONE'S LEAD BOUNCES 'CAUSE WE, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO CLOSE OUT OKAY.
THE LAST WEEK OF THE OLD SYSTEM, GET THE BOUNCES MOVING FORWARD.
AND IT TOOK TWO PASSES OF THAT.
FIRST IT WAS MOST OF OUR, UM, EMPLOYEES WHO HAD BEEN USING THE PREVIOUS LEGACY SYSTEM.
AND THEN FOR, FOR DPS, THEY'VE BEEN BASICALLY USING A MANUAL SYSTEM, UH, FOR TIME.
HOW ABOUT DSS? THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT PART OF THIS.
THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE P OKAY.
LEMME MAKE SURE I DIDN'T SKIP ANYTHING.
UM, CONSIDER FUTURE DATES FOR STRATEGIC PLAN WORK SESSIONS.
UH, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A, ANOTHER WORK SESSION DEVOTED TO STRATEGIC PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE DID TAKE THE LIBERTY OF, OF CALLING, UH, SUPERVISOR, UH, TARA TO DISCUSS WHEN, UH, THE CHIN VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, FIREHOUSE MAY BE OPEN.
AND, UH, WE CAME ALONG WITH SOME WEEK WEEKNIGHT, UM, WEEKDAY NIGHTS, UM, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH, THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 13TH, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH, TUESDAY THE 18TH, AND, AND THURSDAY THE 20TH.
AND THESE, THESE DATES, UH, AND, AND TIME OR THESE DAYS AND, AND DATES WERE LISTED IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT BY LOOKING AT 17TH, THE 12TH AND THE 13TH ARE NOT GOOD FOR, I'VE HAD, I'VE HAD CALLS ON NOVEMBER AND THE 12TH AND THE 20TH IS NOT GOOD FOR ME.
MIKE, WHAT TIME OF DAY? WHAT TIME OF DAY ARE WE? UH, NOVEMBER 12TH, 13.
WE'D BE TALKING, WE'D BE TALKING AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
SO WHICH ONES HAVE WE ELIMINATED? ALL OF 'EM.
AND MY GRANDSON IS TO BE BORN THAT WEEK.
SO HOW ABOUT 18? OR MAY NOT BRING HIM ALONE.
YOU, I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THAT.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THE 18TH? JUST PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDAR.
FIVE O'CLOCK AT YES, MY WIFE WILL KILL ME.
WELL, YOU'RE NOT TOO FAR AWAY.
THE CHILD'S IN VIRGINIA, SO I THINK ON 18 I'LL DRIVE SEVEN ON 18TH TUESDAY.
UH, 13, FIVE OTHER, UH, THIS ISSUE, ALTHOUGH A LARGE ONE, UH, PRESENTED ITSELF FRIDAY, UH, WE RECEIVED A DRAFT MOU FOR, UH, RECEIVING THE $6.5 MILLION FROM THE COMMONWEALTH FOR NATURAL GAS EXPANSION IN, IN AKIMA COUNTY.
UM, AGAIN, THE, THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT WE RECEIVED CAME IN AFTER THE, THE AGENDA HAD ALREADY BEEN MADE LIVE ON, ON BOARD DOCS.
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IT'S SOMETHING WE WEREN'T EXPECTING.I I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE DRAFT MOU THAT CAME FROM THE SECRETARY OF COMMERCE'S OFFICE, UM, IS ONE OF THE SHORTEST MOUS I'VE EVER SEEN.
IT'S, I WOULD CALL IT TWO PAGES, BUT THAT WOULD BE AN EMBELLISHMENT.
AND, AND THE SECOND PAGE IS A SIGNATURE LINE.
UM, AND I WOULD DISSEMINATE IT, BUT IT HAS, UM, CONFIDENTIALITY, UH, REQUIREMENT LISTED AT THE TOP.
UM, BUT MY CONCERN IS WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE, START MOVING THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
AND IF, IF WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL YOUR NEXT BOARD MEETING, WHICH IS IN NOVEMBER, THAT'S GONNA TAKE 30 DAYS OFF.
MOVING, UH, FORWARD WITH THIS, UH, JAN HAS REVIEWED, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS REVIEWED, UH, THE MOU, SHE FINDS IT'S SATISFACTORY.
I HAD ONE CONCERN AND IT WAS A GENERAL CONCERN.
LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THIS AGREEMENT, IF SOMETHING WAS TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? WE INVEST 6.5 MILLIONS DOLLARS INTO BRINGING NATURAL GAS TO AKIMA COUNTY AND FOR SOME REASON DOESN'T HAPPEN.
MAYBE THE ENTITY GOES BANKRUPT.
JUST ANYTHING THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY PUT THE COUNTY ON THE HOOK FOR A REPAYMENT OF 6.5 THAT IS NOT IN THERE.
UM, WE, IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY SAFE AGREEMENT.
UM, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS SPEND IT IN THE CATEGORIES WE'VE BEEN TOLD TO SPEND IT AND REPORT BACK TO 'EM THAT WE'VE, HOW WE'VE SPENT IT.
UM, AND SO GIVEN THAT SORT OF DESCRIPTION ON AN AGREEMENT THAT I CAN'T EVEN PASS OUT TO YOU,
I I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, MR. MASON.
BEN, CAN, CAN OUR RESIDENTS GET THAT SAME SERVICE THROUGH EXIST OTHER MEANS CURRENTLY OVER THE AIR? ARE WE FILLING A GAP THAT THEY DON'T GET ANOTHER WAY? NOT OVER THE AIR, NO.
SO WITHOUT IT, YOU WOULDN'T RECEIVE ANY OF THE CHANNELS AND THEY'RE ALL FROM HANFORD ROAD.
UM, SUPERVISOR COMMENTS, SUPERVISOR WASHINGTON.
I JUST WANNA THANK TINA AND KATHY FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE.
REAL QUICK, I WANT TO THANK STAFF, OUR FRIENDS AT THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, UH, TOWN BLOCKS, 'EM AND PARSLEY VOLUNTEER PARTNER.
ALL WE DID RECEIVE THE, THE VOT HAS THE SIGNS FOR THE DEDICATION OF PART OF ROUTE THREE 16 TO, UH, DAVID CHU FOLLOWING FIREMEN FROM THE DISTRICT.
AND I JUST THANK EVERYONE'S SUPPORT FOR THAT.
I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A WONDERFUL WEEK.
UH, NO COMMENTS FROM CHAIR SUPERVISOR, UH, CROCKETT.
JUST ONE, ONE ITEM EARLIER, THE BOARD APPROVED FOR STAFF TO, UH, UH, MEET WITH, UH, PERSONNEL COMMITTEE, UH, TO LOOK INTO THE CONCERNS THAT THE, UH, DEEP DEPARTMENT OF DDPS EMPLOYEES HAVE WITH SALARY.
UH,
COULD, WOULD YOU, WOULD THE BOARD MIND INCLUDE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN THAT SAME UH, IN THAT SAME PRODUCT? I'LL MOVE IT.
ALL OPPOSED TAR? NO, I DON'T ANYTHING.
UM, I WAS WAITING FOR OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO MENTION IT IF I GOT MY DATES RIGHT.
ISN'T THIS FRIDAY'S EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION? IT IS.
UH, I, I'VE TAKEN THE DAY OFF.
THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING, MAKE SURE I HAD THE RIGHT DATE.
AND I'M THINKING THIS, IT IS FROM 11 TO TWO, SO I'M JUST, UH, CHALLENGING, UH, AND STRONGLY ENCOURAGING, UH, THOSE, UH, SUPERVISORS THAT CAN SHOW UP.
LET THE STAFF KNOW THAT WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT YOU GOT GOOD STAFF, WE GOT GOOD STAFF.
SO I, I'M TAKING THE DAY OFF SO I COULD BE WITH THE STAFF AND UM, I'M BRINGING MY CHAIR 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT FOR
UM, UM, FROM 11 TO OUR EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION DAY AND WHERE IS IT? THANK YOU FOR SAW MILL PARK.
THE SAW MILL PARK SUPERVISOR HART, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WAS, I'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY A FEW WATERMEN THAT, UH, WORKING WATERMEN THAT WANTED TO PUT ON OUR RADAR.
THEY'RE HAVING PROBLEMS OR THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, THAT AN INVASIVE SPECIES, THIS BLUE CATFISH OR WHATEVER IN THE BAY IS REALLY TEARING UP.
AND THEY SAID IF YOU, THEY DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING OR JUST KEEP IT ON OUR RADAR TO BE AWARE BECAUSE WHEN THEY OPEN 'EM UP OR IF THEY CATCH
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ONE AND OPEN IT UP, IT IS, THEY ARE FULL OF, UH, BABY CRABS, JUST FULL OF THEM AND THEY'RE EATING THE POPULATION.WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
SO
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE CAN JUST HAVE MIKE JUST, I KNOW THAT'S NOT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE CAN, WE CAN DO ANYTHING OR NOT.
BUT THEY ARE REALLY GETTING CONCERNED ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEING, THEY'RE GETTING BLAMED FOR OVERFISHING AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT WHEN ALL THE JUVENILE CRABS ARE BEING SUCKED UP BY THESE, UH, THESE CATFISH.
AND I DID SEE AN ARTICLE IN, UH, I DON'T WHERE IT WAS, I SAW AN ARTICLE IN ONE OF THE PAPERS OR SOMEWHERE ABOUT THIS BEING TALKED ABOUT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ALERT MIKE, IF YOU'LL KEEP IT ON YOUR RADAR AND JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THIS BOARD COULD DO AND JUST SEE WHAT'S, IF ANYTHING'S GOING ON WITH IT.
BMRC IS ACTUALLY WHERE'RE LOOKING AT THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OF, OF, OF PROCESSING PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING AT MAYBE EVEN USING, ACTUALLY PROCESSING THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
BUT I WAS AMAZED HERE ON THE S AMAZED, I WAS AMAZED WHEN THE WATER, WHEN THE, UH, WATERMAN SHOWED ME.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY SHOWED ME THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT LOCAL.
THEY SHOWED ME A PICTURE WHEN THEY OPENED ONE UP.
JUST ALL THESE BABY CRABS IN THERE.
SO YOU'RE JUST EATING THEM UP.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM FOR THE FORMER BLOCKS OF AG CENTERS.
HOPEFULLY MOVING THAT WAY TO BECOME A PROCESSING PLANT FOR THEM.
BUT DID THEY CAUGHT IN YOUR DISTRICT? WERE WATERMAN IN YOUR DISTRICT? YES.
THEY'RE CATCHING SOME UP YOUR WAY.
THEY UH, THEY'RE ON THE MORMAN THAT CALLED ME ARE FROM MAINLY BAYSIDE, BUT C**K THAT AREA, ALL THAT AREA.
AND THEN SOUTH PUNTI, THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE SOUTHERN PART, THEY'RE CATCHING THEM.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN LISTED AS AN EVASIVE FISH YET.
'CAUSE IF THEY ARE AND YOU CATCH ONE, YOU, YOU CANNOT PUT IT BACK.
THAT'S, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CHECK.
YEAH, WE AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CHECK ON.
MIKE, WOULD YOU JUST KIND OF CHECK INTO IT A LITTLE BIT? SEE IF IT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SPARE MOMENTS BUT
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I BET YOU THEY ARE TOO.
15 15 1, CONSIDER APPROVING RESOLUTION TO AMEND, UH, PHYSICAL YEAR 25, 26 BUDGET.
WE HAVE A MOTION PROPERLY SECONDED TO AMEND THAT.
UM, MR. MASON, CAN WE PAY OUR BILLS? AYE.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO PAY THE BILLS.
UH, ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
SUPERVISOR JOHNSON, WILL YOU CARRY THIS INTO CLOSED SESSION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO GO INTO SESSION PURSUIT TO VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A THREE FOR DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF ACCUSATION OF REAL PROPERTY FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE OR FOR THE DISPOSITION OF PUBLIC HELD REAL PROPERTY.
FOR DISCUSSION AND OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION ON NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY.
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I CERTIFY THAT THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS.
LAWFULLY ACCEPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER VIRGINIA LAW AND I ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESSES.
BUSINESS MATTERS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY THE CLOSED SESSION WAS CONVENED.
WERE HEARD AND DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING.
THAT'LL BE AFFIRMED BY A ROLL CALL VOTE.