* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. PLANNING COMMISSION ORDER. [00:00:01] WE HAVE A QUORUM. AND [Planning Commission Regular Meeting on December 10, 2025.] MR. TYLER, MR. SPARKMAN AND MR. ROGERS ABSENT. UM, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADD ANY ADDITIONS OR SUBTRACTIONS TO THE AGENDA? WOULD WOULD WE LIKE TO, UM, PUT ITEM SEVEN? THE CUP, I MEAN, YEAH, THE, UM, C-I-P-C-I-P FIRST SO THEY CAN GET THEIR STUFF DONE OVER. AND IT'S STRICTLY UP TO YOU. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, UH, BE ADVISABLE SINCE, UM, THE OTHER DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR, UH, HALL'S GOT TO DRIVE TO SALZBURG. RIGHT. SO IT'S STRICTLY UP TO YOU GUYS. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT AHEAD SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT EVERYWHERE. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS WE'LL MOVE IT TO, UM, AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. MM-HMM . ALL RIGHT. SO MAKE A MOTION. WE CHANGE THE MOVE TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AS AMENDED. OKAY. ALRIGHT. A MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. IS THAT WITH THE CHANGE? YEAH. OKAY. AYE. ALL ALL FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. ALL RIGHT. WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE MINUTES OF WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY, UM, CORRECTIONS? NO CORRECTIONS? NO MOTION. ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT? I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES. I SECOND. AND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT AS WRITTEN ON FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. ALL RIGHT. WE MOVE ON TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? NO. OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE ON TO, UM, NEW BUSINESS, UH, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR 2027. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF COMMISSION, LEE PAM, A DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. UM, PURSUANT TO Y'ALL'S CHANGE IN THE AGENDA, WE ARE GONNA MOVE THE CIP UP. UH, WE DO HAVE, UM, UH, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND, UH, FACILITY STUART HALL SINCE, UH, SINCE CUSTOMARILY A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE CIP IS OUT OF HIS DEPARTMENT. AND OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT FINANCE DIRECTOR LESLIE LEWIS HERE TO, UH, TO, UM, UH, UH, PRESENT THE ENTIRE THING. SO I'M JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO LESLIE AT THIS TIME AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MERRY CHRISTMAS. HAPPY HOLIDAYS. THANK YOU FOR MOVING. UM, I AM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF PRESENTATION OF THE CIPI THINK EVERYBODY GOT THE FULL PACKET AND THEIR READING MATERIALS. AND OF COURSE, AFTER THE PRESENTATION, MR. HALL IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANYONE MAY HAVE. WHAT IS THE C-I-P-A-C-I-P IS A LONG RANGE PLANNING TOOL USED TO SCHEDULE ANTICIPATED CAPITAL PROJECTS AND HOW THEY WILL BE FUNDED. TYPICALLY, A CIP WILL COVER AT LEAST FIVE YEARS. WE'LL HAVE A LIFE LONGER THAN THREE YEARS, AND THE COUNTY HAS A MINIMUM COST OF $50,000 FOR AN ITEM TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE CIP. AND THE REASON WE HAVE A CIP EVERY YEAR IS TO ENSURE THAT CAPITAL PROJECTS SUPPORT THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO MAKE EFFORTS TO PLAN AHEAD, TO MEET THE CAPITAL NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND TO PLAN FOR FINANCING ALTERNATIVES WHEN NEEDED. CAPITAL PROJECTS ALWAYS ARE IN EXCESS OF $50,000, AND THEY INCLUDE FACILITY CONSTRUCTIONS, RENOVATION OR SIGNIFICANT REPAIRS THAT EXTEND THE LIFE OF A FACILITY. MAJOR EQUIPMENT PURCHASES INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AND SOFTWARE WITH RELATED IMPLEMENTATION COSTS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE IS TO ENSURE THAT THE CAPITAL PROJECTS WE PROPOSE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPT THE CIP AS A PART OF THEIR YEARLY ANNUAL FISCAL PLAN. THE COMMISSION MAY WANT TO COMMUNICATE WHICH PROJECTS IT ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IF SO, USUALLY A MEMO IS SENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FROM THE COMMISSION, AND THE COMMISSION MAY AL ALWAYS SUGGEST PROJECTS THAT YOU DON'T ALREADY SEE INCLUDED ON THE CIP PLAN. AND THIS SLIDE IS A SUMMARY OF THE CIP. AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE COLUMN IN THE GREEN, ALL [00:05:01] THE ITEMS WITH THE GREEN IN THE MIDDLE COLUMN ARE THE NEW ITEMS. THEY HAVE BEEN ADDED FOR THE FIRST TIME TO THE CIP PLAN. AT THE BOTTOM, YOU'LL SEE THE BLUE, THE MODIFIED, THEY ARE CHANGES TO EXISTING CIPS. THE ITEMS HAVE BEEN MODIFIED FOR EITHER COST OR MAYBE DIDN'T NEED AS LARGE OF ITEM AS WE'VE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT. AT THE END, YOU'LL SEE THE MIDDLE COLUMN SAYS DELETE. AND THESE ARE ITEMS THAT HAD EITHER BEEN REMOVED BY THE DEPARTMENT OR THEY HAD BEEN FUNDED IN THE PRIOR OR THE, THE FY 26 BUDGET. AND THIS IS THE CALENDAR SHOWING HOW A CIP BEGINS IN OCTOBER. AND NOW WE'RE CURRENTLY AT THE DECEMBER AT THE, AT THE MEETING. AND THE NEXT ITEM YOU WILL NEED TO DO IS HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE 14TH OF JANUARY. AND OF COURSE, YOU'RE ALWAYS FREE TO HOLD AN EXTRA MEETING IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS IN MORE DETAIL. AND I WAS QUICK, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE HAVE THE, THE TWO OF PROS HERE, THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR THAT CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I GUESS I DO. UM, THIS IS, UM, UNDER PARKS AND REC. YOU SAW MILL PARKS SOCCER FIELD. IS THAT A, A MISS? IS IT $1.8 MILLION? YEAH, I KNOW IT SOUNDS CRAZY. UM, SO, AND IT WOULD BE A MULTI-USE FIELD. IT WOULD BE FOR OTHER ACTIVITIES. UM, FLAG FOOTBALL, WHICH IS GETTING RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UH, GUYS AND GIRLS. AND, UM, BUT IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR STORM WATER PLAN, YOU'VE GOT TO RAISE THE AREA. IT WOULD BE KIND OF, UM, AS YOU ENTER THE PARK, YOU SEE THE PAVILION UP ON, ON THE HIGH SPOT, BE BEYOND THAT, UM, TOWARDS THE, UM, THE WOODED AREA AND, AND THE HORSE FARM IN THE BACK. BUT, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, A LOT OF FILL THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME IN THERE. STORM WATER RETENTION AND PLANS FOR THAT. UM, IT WOULD, UM, HAVE, UH, CONCRETE PAD WITH, UH, BLEACHERS. IT WOULD HAVE SITE LIGHTING FOR, YOU KNOW, SECURITY AND THAT TYPE OF THING. UH, ADDITIONAL RESTROOMS, BECAUSE WHAT'S THERE, THE CONCESSION STAND WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COVER THE ENTIRE PARK WITH THE TYPE OF USAGE YOU WOULD GET WITH SOCCER GAMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, YEAH, WHEN YOU SPEND IT ALL UP, IT, IT COMES UP TO A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY. UM, BUT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A SOCCER PROGRAM NOW, AND THEY'RE USING, UH, FIELD OF NORTH HAMPTON, I BELIEVE, ANOTHER ONE AT A SCHOOL. UH, THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, CLOSE BY FOR PRACTICES AND GAMES AND THAT TYPE OF THING. AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, A LOT OF, UM, SOCCER, UH, TEAMS AND LEAGUES IN THE COUNTY. AND, UM, I'M LOOKING AT, UH, REVEREND WHITE HERE WHO SITS ON OUR PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMISSION, AND HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN, IN THE DISCUSSIONS AT THOSE MEETINGS ABOUT HOW NICE IT WOULD BE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOCCER, MULTI-USE FIELD THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ABOUT. AND WE REALIZE, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT HAPPEN THE FIRST YEAR THAT IT GETS PUT IN THE PLAN, BUT IT'S A FIVE PLUS YEAR OUTLOOK. AND WE'VE GOT SOMEONE HERE THAT HAVE BEEN ON SINCE 2009, I THINK. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA GOTTA START SOMEWHERE AND GET PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT IT. IF, IF IT IS SOMETHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUT THERE, THAT'S PROBABLY LONG-WINDED, BUT YEAH, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS A MISPRINT OR SOMETHING, OR YOU NO, THAT'S NOT YOUR SOCCER FIELD. AND YOU'LL SEE WE ALSO HAVE A, UM, MULTI-USE FACILITY OR GYMNASIUM ON THERE, WHICH, UM, WE THINK WOULD BE GREAT FOR, UM, INDOOR ACTIVITIES AND BASKETBALL. AND YOU COULD USE, USE IT YEAR ROUND WITHOUT THE WEATHER CONCERNS. AND ALSO WE COULD, WE COULD RENT IT FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, DIFFERENT PRIVATE ACTIVITIES AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF REVENUE COMING IN AS WELL. AND, AND ANOTHER VENUE. THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF VENUES IN THE COUNTY WHERE PEOPLE CAN HAVE EVENTS. I GUESS I DO HAVE ONE MORE FOR YOU. SURE. I, I SAID I, I MAY HAVE MISTAKE, BUT, UH, IS THERE ANY, UH, EQUIPMENT FOR DITCH DIGGING? I KNOW MR. ROBERTS ALWAYS ASKED YOU THAT, SO I FIGURED, OH, YOU GOTTA CARRY ON THE TRADITION. YEAH, CARRY IT ON. UH, SO YEAH, WE HAVE REVIVED THE, UH, DITCH MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. WE'RE DOING A LITTLE BIT, UH, DIFFERENTLY THIS GO AROUND. UM, WE HAVE A PROJECT MANAGER, BILL SAVAGE, WHO USED TO OPERATE THE COUNTY SPIDER FOR MANY YEARS, AND HE'S SERVING AS A PROJECT MANAGER AND WE'RE BIDDING THE JOBS OUT. MM-HMM . UM, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN GETTING QUITE, QUITE GOOD, UH, COMPETITION ON THAT. I THINK WE HAD LIKE SIX BEDS RECEIVED ON THE LAST JOB. AND SO OUR IDEA THERE IS, UM, ONE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED LESS PERSONNEL. WE HAVE ONE, ONE PROJECT MANAGER. YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE A MACHINE THAT MAY BE SITTING FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME BETWEEN JOBS. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR, UH, HEAVY EQUIPMENT TO MR. GALE FOR EQUIPMENT TO SIT AROUND AND NOT BE USED CONSTANTLY. AND, UM, WITH OUR WORK, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE BECAUSE YOU NEED SO MANY EASEMENTS, YOU NEED PERMITS FROM, UM, CORPS OF ENGINEERS. AND IT, IT TAKES TIME TO BRING THOSE TOGETHER. SO IT'S A LOT OF STOP AND START WITH THOSE THINGS. SO WE FIGURE, UM, BY [00:10:01] BIDDING IT OUT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO, UM, OWN AND MAINTAIN A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AND, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE MORE WORK FOR LOCAL COMPANIES TOO, WHICH IS I THINK A POSITIVE. SO. ALRIGHT. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE UTILIZATION OF THE PARK, IS IT WHAT YOU EXPECTED TO KNOW? OR, OR? YEAH, I THINK IT'S DOING VERY WELL. YEAH. WE HAVE, WE HAVE IT RENTED, YOU KNOW, MONTHS AND MONTHS IN ADVANCE, ALMOST A YEAR OUT A LOT OF TIMES FOR THE WEEKENDS. AND, UH, SO IT'S GETTING QUITE A BIT OF USE. WE, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A NICE, UH, PRESS RELEASE HERE WHEN THE WEATHER WARMS UP IN THE SPRING, BUT WE COMPLETED, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, WE COMPLETED THE DOG PARK. WE WANT TO PUT UP SOME SHELTERS THERE, UM, WHEN YOU FIRST COME IN THE GATES. BUT WE HAVE A NICE FENCED IN AREA FOR LARGE DOGS AND ANOTHER ONE FOR SMALLER DOGS, SO THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, MIXING TOGETHER THERE. UM, WE'VE GOT THE PICKLEBALL COURT TOTALLY REDONE THE SURFACES, NEW NETS, ALL THAT. UM, OF COURSE WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WALKING TRAILS BEING MAINTAINED, WHICH LOOPS AROUND THE BALL FIELD THERE. AND, UH, SO YEAH, WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS CLICKING AT THE PARK, LIKE TO KEEP IT, KEEP THE MOMENTUM MOVING FORWARD IF WE CAN. ALRIGHT. UM, THE NASA DOC. MM-HMM . KEEPS GOING AND GOING. I WAS EXPECTING THAT ONE TO BE BROUGHT UP TONIGHT. MM-HMM . AND I REALLY, I REALLY WAS HOPING THAT THAT ONE'S GONNA BE OFF THE LIST THIS YEAR. SO WE ADVERTISED AND HAD A BID OPENING AND THE LOW BID WAS WITHIN BUDGET. WE WERE ALL EXCITED IN THAT, BUT, UM, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET, UH, THEY, THEY DO A LOT OF WORK IN MARYLAND, BUT, UM, A LOT OF TIMES WITH SUBS TO SOMEBODY ELSE, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE, UH, CONTRACTOR'S LICENSE THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR THE JOB. AND WE, WE KIND OF EXTENDED IT OUT ABOUT 60, 90 DAYS AND THEY STILL DIDN'T GET ANY MOVEMENT ON IT. SO WE HAD TO, UM, UH, DISMISS ALL BIDS OR THE TERMINOLOGY IS, AND, UH, THE NEXT LOWEST BID WAS A BIG STEP ABOVE. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE, SO WE HAVE SOME MONEY IN HAND AND WE HAVE A REQUEST IN THERE FOR THE GAP SO THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY DO IT THIS COMING YEAR. WE STILL WANT TO GET THAT DONE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE. ALRIGHT. SO I GUESS, UH, WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS FOR JANUARY. FOR JANUARY. JANUARY 5TH. UH, 14TH. 14TH. DID ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON CIP JANUARY 14TH. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AUTHORIZE A PUBLIC HEARING JANUARY 14TH REGARDING THE CIP. I'LL SECOND A MOTION AND SECOND ON PAPER, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE BACK TO OLD BUSINESS OR, UH, STAY IN NEW BUSINESS AND MOVE ON TO THE RV TRAVEL, TRAVEL TRAVEL TRAILER? YOUR CHOICE. WELL, LET'S GO, UM, LET'S GO IN AGENDA ORDER. ALL RIGHT. FOR THE REST OF IT, SINCE THE MOTION REALLY WAS TO JUST MOVE THE CIP AND NOT TO MOVE NEW BUSINESS UP, I WILL GO AHEAD, UH, AND START PRESENTING ON OLD BUSINESS ITEMS. UM, THE FIRST ITEM UNDER OLD BUSINESS IS JUST TO RECEIVE THE, THE, UH, A BRIEFING AND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ON, UH, ON, UH, THE, UH, CHESAPEAKE ATLANTIC PRESERVATION AREA OVERLAY DISTRICT AMENDMENTS. UH, WE HAD SOMEWHAT PRESENTED A LITTLE BIT OF THIS EARLIER, BUT ALL WE DID THEN WAS TO JUST PRESENT THE INITIATING RESOLUTION, WHEREAS THIS MONTH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE LANGUAGE, UH, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A, UH, WE'RE CONTINUING TO INTRODUCE THIS, THE AMENDMENTS TO, UH, CHAPTER 1 0 6, WHICH IS THE, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE THAT DOES CONTAIN REGULATIONS GOVERNING THE CHESAPEAKE ATLANTIC PRESERVATION AREA OVERLAY DISTRICT. UM, THE OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL SECTION THAT WE'VE GOT IN THE, IN THE COUNTY CODE IS CHAPTER 38 ENVIRONMENT, BUT THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA FIND MORE OF YOUR STORM WATER. BUT, UH, FOR THIS IS, UH, YET ANOTHER AMENDMENT TO THE KAPPA ORDINANCE, UH, WE PROVIDED YOU WITH SOME, UH, WITH SOME LANGUAGE IN THE PACKET. WE SUBSEQUENTLY, UM, I THINK THAT WE PRINTED OUT SOME OTHER LANGUAGE IN THE ONLY CHANGE FROM WHAT WAS PUT IN THE, UH, IN THE PACKET VERSUS WHAT YOU RECEIVED TONIGHT IS A CLARIFICATION ON THE EXERCISE OF POLICE POWERS. SO THERE WAS THIS GENERAL STATEMENT TOWARDS THE END OF THE ORDINANCE THAT SAID, POLI, UH, THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF POLICE OFFICERS THAT IS CLEARLY A, [00:15:01] UM, UH, A MISPRINT. WE ARE EXERCISING, UH, JUST THE GENERAL POLICE POWERS OF THE, UM, UH, OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT. SO NO BADGES, NOTHING LIKE THAT. BUT, UH, AGAIN, THE ONLY CHANGE IS THAT FROM WHAT WE PUT IN YOUR PACKET VERSUS WHAT WAS PRESENTED, UM, THESE CHANGES HAVE BEEN, UH, VETTED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. AND ONE OF THE, UM, UH, UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES OR, UH, UM, OR LANGUAGE THAT WAS INSERTED IS BY THE, IS PURSUANT TO STATE CODE, UH, THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME INCREASED RESILIENCY, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENTS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME NEXT MONTH AFTER YOU ALL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE LANGUAGE AND TO, UH, TO DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO THAT IS JUST THE QUICK AND, UM, UH, THE, THE, THE QUICK BRIEFING ON THE CAPA ORDINANCE. WE'RE NOT REQUESTING A PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. IF WE ARE ABLE TO, UH, TO, UH, GET THROUGH NEXT MONTH TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS, THEN WE'LL BE REQUESTING A, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING FOR FEBRUARY. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I CAN TRY TO FIELD OF ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. I THINK YOU LOST MAY ME WHEN YOU, WE APPROVED THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR JANUARY 14TH, BUT THEN YOU SAID WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ONE THAT WAS FOR THE CIP. THAT'S WHY I GOT OFF. THANK YOU. THAT'S OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, IT'S QUITE A BIT, SO WE JUST WANTED GIVE YOU SOME TIME WITH THE, UH, WITH THE LANGUAGE AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT MORE NEXT MONTH. THANKS. THE, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES, UH, UH, ORDINANCE. AND WE PRESENTED THAT LANGUAGE TO YOU LAST MONTH, AND THERE WERE SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. AND THIS BRIEFING IS JUST GONNA CENTER AROUND THOSE THREE QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION HAD LAST MONTH. THE THREE QUESTIONS WERE WITH REGARDS TO FIN FINANCIAL COMPENSATION. THERE WAS, THERE IS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT THE OPTION TO REDUCE THE 200 FOOT SETBACK. AND THEN THIRDLY, AND FINALLY, WHERE WAS THE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, STANDPIPES FOR THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM? SO, UH, AS YOU READ IN YOUR REPORT, UH, THE, THE FINANCIAL COMPENSATION QUESTION, THERE, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT APPLICANTS BEING ABLE TO INFLUENCE DECISION MAKERS WITH, UH, WITH FINANCIAL COMPENSATION. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID RUN THAT, UH, QUESTION BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE LANGUAGE IS TAKEN STRAIGHT FROM THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. SO WE'RE BASICALLY JUST FOLLOWING THE CODE AND PUTTING THAT IN THE LOCAL ORDINANCE. UH, REGARDING, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LANGUAGE IS FROM SECTION 56 DASH 5, 85 0.1, SUBSECTION NINE. I KNOW THAT'S A LOT, BUT THAT I READ THAT OUT FOR THE RECORD. AND THAT'S REGARDING ALTERATIONS TO THE ELECTRICAL GRID. SO, UH, IT'S SPECIFIC TO BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE AND OTHER ELECTRICAL, UH, ELECTRICAL GRID ALTERATIONS, INCLUDING THE DEPLOYMENT OF BROADBAND. SO THIS FUNDING COULD ACTUALLY BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE. BUT, UM, BUT, UH, IT IS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S AND THE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE THAT IF IT'S IN THE STATE CODE, THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE. UM, UH, FINANCIAL COMPENSATION IS OPTIONAL, WHERE THE PROPOSED CODE INDICATES THAT A CITING AGREEMENT MAY BE INCLUDED. THAT MAY INCLUDE A FINANCIAL COMPENSATION PROVISION. UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE FINAL DECISION ON A BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT BE DONE BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND ANY FINANCIAL COMPENSATION, UM, UH, PROVISIONS BY THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, 18 PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE REVIEWING THIS, AND IT WOULD BE, UH, QUITE TRANSPARENT IN MY OPINION. UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT THE FACT THAT THE FACTS AND FIGURES IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF MEGAWATTS, IT'S BASED OFF THE AMOUNT OF MEGAWATTS FOR THAT PROJECT. AND, UM, AND, UH, UH, WE ALSO DO THE SAME THING FOR, UH, FOR SOLAR PROJECTS AS WELL. SO WE'RE JUST CARRYING THAT OVER FROM SOLAR TO BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE AS WELL. SO THERE IS A PRECEDENT IN OUR, UH, UH, IN OUR POLICIES FOR ACCEPTING, OR AT LEAST FOR ENTERTAINING THE PROVISION OF FINANCIAL COMPENSATION. I'M GONNA PAUSE THERE [00:20:01] AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. I THINK THAT WAS MR. TYLER'S QUESTION. I THOUGHT IT WAS MR. PETIT'S QUESTION. OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH, , I ACCEPT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR EXPLANATION, BUT MY COMFORT LEVEL IS STILL RIGHT. UH, AND IF THERE IS, IF THERE'S STILL SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S STILL SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE THE FIRST BITE OF THE APPLE IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO REVIEW THAT AND MAKE THAT COMMENT. IF THERE IS A CONCERN, IF YOU SEE SOMETHING ELSE IN THAT, UH, UH, IN, IN THAT PROPOSAL, AND MAYBE THE FINANCIAL COMPENSATION, UH, DOESN'T, I DON'T WANNA SAY DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT, BUT IT, UH, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE EXCESSIVE FOR WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. MAKE THAT COMMENT, BY ALL MEANS, MAKE THAT COMMENT, BUT YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO, UH, ADDRESS THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO MOVING ON TO THE SECOND QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO THE, UM, TO THE OPTION FOR REDUCTION OF A 200 FOOT SETBACK. UM, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN LAST MONTH ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO REDUCE THE PROPOSED REQUIRED SETBACK FROM 200 FEET TO 100 FEET FOR GOOD. CAUSE. THE, UH, PROPOSED SECTION THAT ENABLES THAT REDUCED SETBACK READS AS FOLLOWS. AND JUST READ THAT INTO THE RECORD. THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY REDUCE THE DISTANCE REQUIRED BY THIS SECTION TO A DISTANCE OF NO LESS THAN 100 FEET UPON FINDING THAT THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM WILL HAVE SUFFICIENT SAFETY AND FIRE PROTECTION FEATURES THAT SUBSTANTIALLY MITIGATE THE RISK OR HARM TO NEARBY PERSONS. SO, UM, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE MENTIONED THIS LAST MONTH, BUT SHOULD THE SECTION BE REMOVED, DO THE AUTHORITY TO REDUCE SETBACK WOULD FALL, WOULD FALL AWAY FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. SO WITH THAT BEING, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT BEING ACCOMPLISHED, IF THIS WAS REMOVED, THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD ACTUALLY LOSE ITS VOICE IN THE ABILITY TO, UH, EITHER RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF A, UH, OF, OF A REDUCTION IN A SETBACK. NOW, STAFF, USUALLY WE REVIEW THESE ON A CASE BY CASE. WE WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW THESE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. NO TWO SITES ARE THE SAME. NO TWO NEIGHBORHOODS OR COMMUNITIES ARE THE SAME. UH, ONE COMMUNITY MAY HAVE, UH, MAY HAVE A GREATER TOLERANCE FOR THIS KIND OF USE, WE DON'T KNOW. BUT, UH, UH, IF WE, IF WE RECEIVE A PLAN AND, UH, AND THEY REQUEST THIS WAIVER, THEN WE'RE GOING TO VET THAT PRETTY HARD AND WE'RE GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHAT ARE THE OTHER FACTORS INVOLVED IN YOUR REQUEST TO REDUCE THIS FROM 200 TO NO LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET? AND, UH, IF THERE IS THE ABILITY TO REARRANGE THE SITE AND STILL MAINTAIN THAT 200 FOOT, UH, SETBACK, THEN WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. UH, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ALL ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO REARRANGE THE SITE, AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S AN ACTUAL, IF IT'S A DESIRE VERSUS A NEED, THEN WE'RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO SHOW US A LAYOUT THAT COMPLIES WITH THE 200 FEET. AGAIN, WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE SEE THAT FIRST SITE PLAN FOR ONE OF THESE. UH, BUT, UM, UH, THE STAFF'S CONCERN IS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD ACTUALLY BE GIVING UP ITS VOICE AND ITS OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO OBJECT TO A, A REDUCTION. WHEREAS THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PICK UP THAT TORCH IN, IN THE AUTHORITY TO, UH, REDUCE THAT, UH, THAT SETBACK WOULD FALL TO THEM. IS, IS THAT ALL SETBACKS? BECAUSE I THINK, UH, WE HAD ONE NOT TOO LONG AGO THAT WANTED A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK FROM AG IN A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND MM-HMM . RIGHT? WE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. NO, MA'AM. BECAUSE THE ABILITY TO REDUCE THAT, AND I THINK THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO IN THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT REGULATIONS, IT'S SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN IN THAT THEY CAN REQUEST THE WAIVERS. THEY REQUESTED MULTIPLE WAIVERS. UM, WE PROVIDED A CHART THAT SAID, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE CODE SECTION THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING THE WAIVER FROM. THIS IS WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT TO GO TO. AND THEN THIS WAS THE STAFF'S RATIONALE FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THOSE WAIVERS. BUT THAT'S, WE WOULD, WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY PRESENT IT THE SAME WAY, UM, FOR, FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, [00:25:01] WHERE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MAY OBJECT TO THAT. UH, AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD BE GIVING UP ITS VOICE IN OBJECTING OR, UH, OR, UH, UM, OR, OR VOICING, UH, NOT OBJECTION, BUT, UH, UM, APPROVAL. IF THIS COMES OUT, THEN YOU NO LONGER HAVE THAT, UH, THAT AUTHORITY TO, TO WEIGH IN. SO I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION THAT IF INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS SAY 200 FEET, WHO IS THE INDUSTRY PROFESSIONAL ON THE BOARD OF ZONING? I MEAN, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT CAN MAKE THAT DECISION? NO, YOU HAVE A STANDARD, RIGHT? IF YOU PUT IN A HUNDRED FEET, THEN ME AS A, UH, APPLICANT IS GONNA GO FOR THE A HUNDRED FEET, RIGHT? RIGHT. I, IT'S JUST IF YOU, YOU PUT INDUSTRY STANDARDS HERE AND THEN YOU SAY, OH, WELL, WE CAN WAVE THAT. EVERYBODY'S GOING FOR A HUNDRED FOOT. RIGHT. IF IT IS THE, IF IT IS THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS AND OR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DESIRE THAT THEY HAVE AN ACTUAL INDUSTRY PROFESSIONAL TO SAY, THIS IS WHY A REDUCED SETBACK IS DESIRED OR NECESSARY, THEN, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD, IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE WITHIN THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION'S, UH, PURVIEW TO SAY, WELL, WE WANT, WE WOULD LIKE AN INDUSTRY PROFESSIONAL TO, UH, TO, TO VOICE THAT RATIONALE. IF WE GET THAT QUESTION SOON ENOUGH, THEN WE CAN HAVE THAT, UH, THEN WE CAN HAVE THAT QUOTE UNQUOTE REPORT READY. BUT, UM, UH, I THINK THAT WHAT WE WOULD DO IN THAT INSTANCE IS ON DAY ONE, AFTER THEY RE, AFTER THEY APPLY FOR THE, UH, AFTER THEY APPLY FOR THEIR, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND OR REZONING, AND THEN THEY SAY THAT, WELL, WE WANT TO REDUCE THAT FROM 200 TO SOMETHING LESS. WE'LL PROBABLY BE ON THE PHONE WITH YOU SAYING, HEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE REQUESTED THIS REDUCTION. AND AT THAT TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY, WELL, WE PROBABLY NEED TO GET THE INDUSTRY PROFESSIONAL IN HERE TO MAKE THAT RATIONALE, AND WE COULD HAVE THAT PERSON HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING WHO PAYS FOR THE PER PROFESSIONAL PERSON? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND I THINK YES, THAT'S WHERE THE ANSWER COMES FROM, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, RIGHT. WHO PAYS IS WHO GETS THE RIGHT ANSWER? I DON'T KNOW. I THINK YOU'RE JUST SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR EVERYBODY ASKING, HAS SOMEBODY APPLIED OR HAVE YOU HAD INTEREST IN, UM, A BATTERY PLANT THAT IS LESS THAN 200 FEET? NOT SINCE JUPITER SCOUT ENERGY? NO. DO WE ONLY HAVE TWO ON THE BOOKS? WE'VE GOT THE TALY, WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WAS A BUYRIGHT PROJECT, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE JUPYTER SCOUT ENERGY. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL INQUIRIES ABOUT RIGHT. BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, BUT NO APPLICATIONS, UHHUH, , AND THE HAM PROJECT. UH, WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? THE HAMS PROJECT? THEY HAVE REC, THEY HAVE, UM, WITHDRAWN THEIR REZONING APPLICATION. THEY WITHDREW THAT LAST YEAR, AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BACK SINCE. I WILL SAY THAT THE APPLICANT FOR THAT PROJECT IS THE SAME. WHO'S BILLING THE LEY PROJECT AND, AND WHO BOUGHT THE, UH, THE JUPITER SCOUT ENERGY PROJECT. SO WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT ONE COMPANY FOR ALL THREE. BUT AGAIN, HAMS IS, IS OFF THE TABLE. THEY HAVE WITHDRAWN THAT APPLICATION AND HAVE NOT SUBMITTED ANYTHING SINCE. COULD WE ADD, AND B, IF YOU ARE REQUESTING A REDUCTION IN TO A HUNDRED FOOT, THAT YOU MUST HAVE A, UH, INDUSTRY STANDARD OR PERSON'S REPORT. I MEAN, JUST LIKE A ABSOLUTELY. AS A REQUIREMENT. MM-HMM . TO EVEN ASK. YEAH. POSSIBLY. IS EVERYBODY IN MM-HMM . AGREEMENT WITH THAT, WE CAN COME BACK, UM, WE'LL RUN IT BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. WE'LL COME BACK WITH SOME LANGUAGE NEXT MONTH. UH, UH, I GUESS THE ONE QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU LIKE THAT, WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO BRING THAT BACK BEFORE A PUBLIC HEARING, OR CAN WE BRING THAT BACK WITH A PUBLIC HEARING FOR NEXT MONTH? THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR REQUEST IS GOING TO BE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IN JANUARY, BUT I'M GONNA LEAVE THAT, UH, UH, [00:30:01] YOU KNOW, AT YOUR DISCRETION, YOU ALL AT THE SAME TIME. OKAY, SURE. WE CAN DO IT IN JANUARY. PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. WE, WE JUST NEED TO VOTE ON IT. OKAY. UM, ONE OTHER THING ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, UH, THE BUFFER, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO MENTIONED HERE IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT AS PART OF THE DELIBERATION TO REDUCE, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO SHOW SUFFICIENT SAFETY AND FIRE PROTECTION FEATURES TO JUSTIFY OR REDUCE SETBACK. BUT IF, IF VISUAL SCREENING IS ALSO AN ISSUE, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALSO BRING BACK SOME VISUAL SCREENING STANDARDS. BUT WE'RE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT THE BUFFER WIDTH, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY YOUR SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, TO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE NEAREST ELEMENT OF THE, OF THE FACILITY ITSELF, WHICH IS GENERALLY GONNA BE, UH, A CONCRETE PAD WITH THE BATTERY, WITH THE CABINETS, UH, SET ON TOP OF THOSE. SO, UH, THO THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT A BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM COMPRISES OF THE CONCRETE PAD WITH CABINETS. SO THE, THE SIT BACK WOULD NOT BE TO THE, A, A WALL, A BARRIER, I WOULD SAY NO, BECAUSE, UM, WELL, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE THAT WALL IS. MM-HMM . UH, YOU KNOW, BUT IF, IF IT'S A SCREENING WALL, THEN USUALLY THOSE ARE UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE OR, OR PRETTY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . SO THE SETBACK WOULD BE TO THE CONCRETE PAD AND OR THE CABINETS THEMSELVES MM-HMM . OR IS IT THE FIRST ITEM? COULD IT BE A CONTROL CENTER OR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I GUESS WE NEEDED TO FIND THAT. WOULD THAT BE THE SECURITY FENCE? FENCES ARE TYPICALLY LOCATED IN SETBACKS, UM, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW A COUPLE. THEY ARE PRIMARILY COMPRISED OF A CONCRETE PAD WITH THE, WITH CABINETS ON THERE, AND THERE MAY BE MULTIPLE CONCRETE PADS, BUT, UM, UH, THE ONES THAT WE'VE SEEN, THEY DON'T TYPICALLY HAVE ANY OTHER STRUCTURES AND SETBACKS ARE TYPICALLY MEASURED FROM PROPERTY LINE TO THE NEAR STRUCTURE. UH, BUT FENCES AND WALLS ARE, ARE CUSTOMARILY FOUND IN, IN SETBACKS. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE JUST A STANDARD, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IN, IN C**K, AND YOU'VE GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A LOT, A LITTLE WHITE PICKET FENCE ON THE FRONT, IT'S NOT SET BACK. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SETBACK IS IN AN C**K, BUT IT'S NOT SET BACK 25 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. IT'S GENERALLY PRETTY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. I GOT YOU. MM-HMM. THAT'S A THINK ABOUT IT, RIGHT? THE BATTERIES ARE THE PROBLEM, NOT THE FENCE. RIGHT. SO, AND, AND, AND THEN THE OTHER ASPECT OF THAT TOO IS THAT IF THERE, IF THERE IS SOME, UM, UH, ACOUSTICAL, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, PROPERTIES OF, OF THE WALL OR THE FENCE THAT WOULD REDUCE THAT, UM, THAT NOISE LEVEL, THEN YOU'D PROBABLY WANT THAT CLOSER TO THE RESIDENCES AS OPPOSED TO THE, UH, UH, AS OPPOSED TO THE BATTERIES THEMSELVES. BUT THAT'S WHY WE ALSO REQUEST A, UM, A SOUND STUDY FOR AN ACOUSTIC STUDY. WHAT PREDISPOSES MY THOUGHT PROCESS? WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE POULTRY OPERATION THAT HAD TO REAPPLY. RIGHT. AND, UH, THE, IT WAS PUBLICIZED THAT IT WAS, IT, IT WAS 15 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE MM-HMM . FOR A MANURE SHED, BUT IT, IT, THE MANURE SHED WAS ANOTHER 50 PLUS FEET IN ADDITION TO THE 15 FEET. OKAY. AND SO IT WAS CONSIDERED, THE SETBACK ON THAT WAS TO THE EDGE OF THE CONCRETE PAD. SO MAYBE WE NEED TO SPECIFY THAT AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WE'RE JUST GONNA WRITE DOWN A NOTE, SPECIFY SETBACK TO WHAT FEATURES MM-HMM . SO, OKAY. OKAY. I THINK IN THE POULTRY RIGS, IT WAS, IT WAS SPECIFIED, SO THE SETBACK WAS 15 FEET, SO THERE WAS RELIEF TO ASK FOR THAT, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF DESCRIPTION, IT WAS THE, THE SHED WAS ANOTHER 50 FEET AWAY. OKAY. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME CLARIFYING LANGUAGE. BUT TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU DON'T WANNA SET MULTIPLE STANDARDS FOR SETBACKS. MM-HMM . SETBACKS [00:35:01] ARE USUALLY TO, TO A STRUCTURE. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . IN THIS CASE, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONCRETE PAD WITH CABINETS MM-HMM . BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT. YEAH. I MEAN, THE CONCRETE PAD COULD EXTEND WELL BEYOND THE CABINET, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE GENERALLY NOT GOING TO PROPOSE A LARGER CONCRETE PATH IF NECESSARY MM-HMM. JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, COSTS AND THAT KIND OF THING. YEAH. BUT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. MM-HMM . OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON SETBACK REDUCTIONS FOR THESE? I WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO, UH, STANDPIPES FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION. SO, UH, MADAM CHAIR, THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION FOR THE STANDPIPES. WE DID RUN THAT BY BOTH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND, UH, C RAY PRUITT, THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY. AND, UH, WHAT WE DID WAS WE, WE ADDED SOME LANGUAGE, UH, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WAS PRESENTED LAST MONTH, EXCEPT WHAT'S IN RED IN YOUR PACKET, WHERE IT SAYS, A WET OR DRY STANDPIPE SYSTEM SHALL BE INSTALLED UNLESS WAIVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR GOOD CAUSE SHOWN. SO, THAT, AGAIN, IS THE, UM, UH, IT'S LEAVING THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THAT IN THE HANDS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BUT THE WORD SHALL, UM, UH, IS, IS PRETTY STRONG IN TERMS OF, UH, IN TERMS OF PUTTING THAT THERE IN TERMS, IN TERMS OF, UH, INCLUDING THAT IN THE PLAN AND INSTALLING THOSE. FURTHERMORE, FIRE SUPPRESSION MEASURES SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY OR DESIGNEE, WHERE WE WILL BE SENDING THESE, AND WE HAVE SENT THESE TO, OF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY, AND WE'VE SPECIFICALLY ASKED THEM TO COMMENT ON CERTAIN FEATURES OF THIS. IN, IN THE CASE OF A STANDPIPE, WE WOULD SAY, HEY, IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THE STANDPIPES REQUIRED, UH, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PRETTY GOOD REASON IN THE EYES OF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY TO NOT HAVE A STANDPIPE SYSTEM. SO C RAY AND OR HIS STAFF WOULD BE WEIGHING IN ON A REQUEST TO WAIVE THAT. UH, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST TO WAIVE THAT, UH, AND THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT UPFRONT. THEY CAN'T GET ALL THE WAY TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT, WE DON'T WANNA DO A STANDPIPE SYSTEM ANYMORE. SO THEY'VE GOTTA LET US KNOW UPFRONT WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA DO ONE, OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO ASK FOR A WAIVER. SO, UH, WE, WE PROPOSED THAT LANGUAGE AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT BE INCLUDED. OKAY. SO, UM, ON THE NEXT PAGE, WE TALK ABOUT RECOMMENDED NEXT STEPS. UH, I PUT IN THERE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION MAY WISH TO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAYS, HEY, WE WANT TO REDUCE THIS SETBACK. AND IF IT, IF IT'S, IF IT'S FOR A GOOD REASON, THEN YOU MAY, YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY RECOMMEND, UH, A, A REDUCED SETBACK. BUT THE TRADE OFF THERE FOR THEM WOULD BE IF WE WERE TO PUT IN A PROVISION FOR INCREASED LANDSCAPING OR FENCING OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT, IF YOU'RE GONNA REDUCE THE SETBACK, THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT BUFFER BEEFIER IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE HAPPY TO COME BACK WITH SOME LANGUAGE ON THAT. UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WAIVING OR REDUCING A SETBACK SHOULD COME WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, IN STAFF'S OPINION, INCREASED SCREENING OR, UH, OR, UM, OR, UH, FENCING OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT. I GOTCHA. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A FIRE HAZARD. LESS THAT, THAT IS A GOOD POINT TOO. LESS BUFFER. MORE BUFFER AND LESS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A NARROWER BUFFER YES. WITH MORE COMBUSTIBLE MATERIAL IN IT. SO THAT MIGHT BE, I'M NOT SURE. YEAH. OKAY. WHATEVER. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LEAVE THE OPTION OPEN MM-HMM . UH, WHATEVER YOU ALL THINK. MM-HMM . UH, SECONDLY, UNDER THE RECOMMENDED NEXT STEPS, IF THE COMMISSION IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE REVISED SECTIONS AS IS, THEN UH, THEN YOU CAN ALSO SUBMIT THE OR, UH, UH, AUTHORIZE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR JANUARY 14TH, WHICH WOULD MAKE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT MONTH. I GUESS IF EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH, WE CAN DO THE JANUARY 14TH. ALRIGHT. MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BATTERY ZONING. OKAY. I, I MOVE THAT WE SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARING FOR JANUARY 14TH FOR THE BATTERY STORAGE, UH, REGULATIONS [00:40:01] TO INCLUDE UPDATED LANGUAGE AS PROPOSED TONIGHT. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION MY SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. OKAY. THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT CONCLUDES OLD BUSINESS. UM, WE'VE ALREADY DONE ITEM A AGENDA, ITEM A UNDER NEW BUSINESS, WHICH WAS THE CIP. AND THEN, UH, FURTHER DOWN, WE ALSO RECEIVED AN INITIATING RESOLUTION ON RV AND TRAVEL TRAILERS. I'M GOING TO, UM, TAG TEAM WITH, UH, WITH SHAUNTICE WHO WILL PRESENT THIS AND A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS, BUT, UM, SHE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE HER PRESENT THE, OUR FEES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. SEAN C RIDLEY COUNTY PLAN. OH, COUNTY PLANNER. YES. THAT'S MY POSITION. SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY. SO, UM, AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING, STAFF BRIEFED THE COMMISSION ON, UM, AN INITIATING RESOLUTION THAT WAS COMING FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON, UH, TRAVEL TRAILERS AND RVS. SO, UM, THE MAIN GOAL IS TO ADDRESS HOW THESE ARE REVIEWED AND THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS. UM, STAFF HAS ALREADY HAD ONE MEETING, UH, TO GATHER THOUGHTS, TO BRAINSTORM, TO START, UH, DRAFTING SOME DRAFT LANGUAGE, UH, STILL IN THE VERY EARLY STAGES. SO NOT READY TO, UH, PRESENT ANY LANGUAGE YET, OR REQUEST ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS. UM, BUT JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THAT INITIATING RESOLUTION WAS GIVEN BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THEIR MEETING LAST MONTH. AND, UM, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. UM, AND ALSO AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING, IF WE NEED TO PULL IT UP, WE CAN. UM, BUT THERE WERE, UH, STATS GIVEN FROM THE BZA ON THE NUMBER OF CASES AND APPLICATIONS THAT THEY'VE HAD, AND THE NUMBER OF RVS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED. AND IF YOU NEED TO SEE THAT INFORMATION FROM LAST MONTH, UM, WE CAN BRING THAT UP FOR YOU. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? UM, UM, WHEN YOU'RE CRAFTING THIS, UM, UH, WE OFTEN GET THESE, IF, YOU KNOW, UH, APPEALS FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS. INITIALLY THEY WERE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A HOME. MM-HMM . SO FOR HABITATION. AND SO THERE WAS NO REAL CRITERIA ON IT. UM, PERSONALLY, I, I GOT TO A POINT WHERE WHEN SOMEBODY WOULD SAY THEY WANTED TO DO IT, UH, THEY SHOULD HAVE A FOUNDATION IN PLACE. SO I WOULD OFFER THAT AS A POINT OKAY. OF BEFORE THEY COULD LOCATE THE TRAILER THERE. OKAY. WE'LL MAKE SURE WE CONSIDER THAT. AND THAT WOULD INDICATE SIGNIFICANT INTENT. MM-HMM . AND THE FOUNDATION CAN BE DONE THROUGH AN APPLICATION FOR A BUILDING PERMIT, AND IT'S INDEPENDENT OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND, AND ALL THAT. MM-HMM . COVID. UH, A SECOND THING WOULD BE, UM, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WE HAVE PEOPLE COME AND THEY, THEY BUY A LOT IN ACK COUNTY, AND THEY MAY WANT TO COME HERE FOR HUNTING OR FISHING OR RECREATION. AND AS IT, IF IT COULD BE CLARIFIED THAT IT'S, WOULD BE, UH, ALLOWED FOR THEM TO BRING IT IN AND USE IT FOR WHATEVER SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD WE COME UP WITH, AND THEN REMOVE IT. OKAY. WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IS THEY'LL, THEY'LL BUY THE LOT, MOVE THE TRAILER IN, AND THE TRAILER STAYS THERE. THEY MAY ONLY STAY IN IT ONE WEEK A YEAR, BUT THE TRAILER STAYS THERE. AND SO NO MATTER HOW YOU CRAFT IT, IT KIND OF SETS IN A, A ELEMENT OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, OBSERVING IT OR WHATEVER. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO EVERYTHING, BUT IF WE COULD, I WOULD LIKE FOR PEOPLE THAT COULD TO BUY A LOT IN ACK CANADA. IF THEY WANT TO COME HERE AND GO HUNTING OR FISHING OR JUST SPEND A WEEKEND, THEY COULD DO THAT. THEY JUST GOTTA REMOVE THE TRAIL. MM-HMM . BRING IT IN, REGULATE THE, REGULATE THE, TAKE IT, AND HAVE A SET TIMEFRAME MM-HMM . FOR THE RV OR TRAVEL TRAILER TO BE ABLE TO SIT ON THE PROPERTY AT A TIME. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO IS IT, IS IT NOTATED THAT, UH, A TIMELY INTENT IS GIVEN [00:45:01] WHEN THEY WANT TO BRING THE TRAILER IN? SAY IF THEY DO WANT TO COME FOR TWO WEEKS OR FOUR WEEKS, THEN YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CRAFT LANGUAGE TO SET THAT, UH, TIMEFRAME WHERE THERE ISN'T ONE NOW. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE, THE PAD TO PLACE A PAD. COULD, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT ONE MORE TIME FOR ME? THAT THEY SHOULD PUT A PAD THERE? OH, NO, I, I, I DIDN'T MEAN THAT. OH, OKAY. NOT A PAD. OKAY. JUST A, THEY COULD BRING THE TRAILER IN AND PARK IT. MM-HMM . I THINK THE LANE, I THINK HE SAID FOUNDATION. OH, FOUNDATION. OH, EXCUSE ME. I'M SORRY. FOUNDATION. SO, SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE, OKAY. AND, AND THEY SAY, I BOUGHT THIS LOT AND I WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE, AND I WANT TO LIVE IN A TRAVEL TRAILER WHILE I'M BUILDING THE HOUSE. OKAY. OR COME THERE ON WEEKENDS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A FOUNDATION. WHAT THE, FOR, FOR THE HOUSE FIRST. OH, OKAY. OKAY. TO SHOW, TO SHOW INTENT. THE REASON I SAY THAT IS MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT SAY, I WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE AND I WANT TO MOVE MY TRAILER IN AND LIVE IN THAT. WELL, THEY MOVE THE TRAILER IN AND NOTHING GETS DONE. I UNDERSTAND NOW, . YEAH. I MISUNDERSTOOD. I MISUNDERSTOOD. I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING A FOUNDATION FOR THE, FOR THE TRAVEL TRAILER. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. AND, AND BECAUSE WE, WE'VE HAD 'EM DO IT, AND SO SOMEBODY COULD SAY, I WANT TO PUT THIS IN. THEY DON'T HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT OR ANYTHING, AND THEY MOVE THE TRAILER IN. RIGHT. AND, AND THEN IT'S ALMOST AS IF THEY SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS SO WE CAN STAY IN THE TRAILER. MM-HMM . RIGHT. SO I THINK IT'S SOME, THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN THE BUILDING, UH, PERMIT PROCESS THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT SIGNIFICANT EVIDENCE THAT A PROJECT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, UH, WITH A MORE GENERAL, UH, PRECISE, LESS, LESS CONSTRICT, YOU SAID FOUNDATION. WOULD IT BE BETTER TO WORD IT WITH BROADER, UH, LANGUAGE THAT SAYS SOMETHING LIKE SIGNIFICANT, UH, EVIDENCE THAT, UH, THAT IT, SOMETHING'S GONNA HAPPEN. SO IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DISCUSSED MAYBE HAVE A WELL, OR THE SEPTIC TANK OR SOMETHING. BUT YOU KNOW THAT THE FOUNDATION, THAT'S HEALTH DEPARTMENT. OKAY. AND THE FOUNDATION IS UNDER, WELL, BUSY, BUSY DAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'VE GOT? UH, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO WALK THE LINE BETWEEN, UH, UH, MOBILE HOME, A CAMPER TRAILER THAT'S ON A LOT WITHOUT ANY, AS OPPOSED TO A CAMPER TRAILER THAT IS PARKED AT A YARD, UH, OF A, OF ESTABLISHED RESIDENCE AND THE CAMPER TRAILER OR RV IS INDEED BEING LIVED AT? SO HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU WALK THE LINE BETWEEN, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT IF IT'S A HOUSE THERE, YOU CAN HAVE AN RV, BUT IT CAN'T BE USED FOR HABITATION OR FOR STORAGE. SO IT CAN, IT CANNOT BE HOOKED UP TO ELECTRICITY. CAN'T BE HOOKED UP TO WELL SEPTIC. SO IF SOMEONE WAS LIVING IN IT, IT WOULD BE A ZONING VIOLATION. SO WHAT I WANT TO ASK, SO WHAT IF SOMEONE HAS ONE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GUTTING IT FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA WHAT THEY'RE GUTTING THIS FROM, FROM A DRIVE BY? IT APPEARS TO BE ONE THING, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD, AND I COULD BE WRONG IN SAYING THIS, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE SEEN. AND WE DON'T KNOW. SOMEONE COULD BE GUTTING IT OUT TO REPLACE THE SEATING. SO WE CAN'T, THAT WOULDN'T, I WOULD SAY, PER SE, BE A, A VIOLATION BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GUTTING IT OUT FOR. SO, SO THEN A PERSON COULD JUST, ON THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY, JUST BRING A TRAILER IN, NO HABITATION, NOBODY. AND THAT'S IN THE COMMUNITY. NOBODY KNOWS WHY, WHY, WHY IT IS THERE, AND NOTHING BE SAID. [00:50:03] BUT WHERE WOULD THE, WHERE'S THE VIOLATION? WHAT DOES THE ZONING KNOW? THESE ARE, AND, AND ALL OF THESE SCENARIOS, AND WE'LL CALL 'EM HYPOTHETICALS, UH, THEY'RE NOT SO HYPOTHETICAL TO MIKE MILLBURN. 'CAUSE HE'S OUT THERE EVERY DAY SEEING THESE, AND HE'S MAKING OBSERVATIONS ON, UH, NOT JUST RVS, BUT A BUNCH OF OTHER DIFFERENT KINDS OF VIOLATIONS. BUT RVS ARE KIND OF HIS, UH, HIS, UH, UH, HIS EMPHASIS JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SO, THEY, THEY, THEY PROLIFERATED SO MUCH THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. UM, THE PURPOSE BEHIND THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS TO, AT LEAST IN THE STAFF'S MIND, TO TRY TO REDUCE THAT PROLIFERATION, BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE IS JUST SO, THERE ARE SO MANY HOLES IN THE ORDINANCE AS IT PERTAINS TO RVS, AND WITH THE QUOTE UNQUOTE PRECEDENT OF, OF PAST BBZA DECISIONS. THE REASON FOR THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS TO TRY TO TIGHTEN UP SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE AND TO CLARIFY UNDER WHICH, UH, UNDER WHICH CONDITIONS AN RV WOULD BE ALLOWED. UH, ONE OF THE MOST APPLIED FOR, UH, PERMITS IN FRONT OF THE, IN FRONT OF THE BZA IS SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR AN RV ON AN INDIVIDUAL PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, FOLKS COME IN WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, UH, INTENT OF MAYBE DOING SO PERMANENTLY OR MAYBE THEY JUST CAN'T AFFORD SOMEWHERE TO LIVE. YOU KNOW, WE HEAR ALL OF THE STORIES ABOUT, UH, ABOUT WHY THEY WANT AN RV. IN THE MEANTIME, THEY'RE PROLIFERATING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, BOTH LEGALLY AND ILLEGALLY. AND THAT IS THE REASON FOR THIS. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH MIKE MILLBURN, WHO IS OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OUT THERE ON THE STREETS EVERY DAY LOOKING AT THIS, UH, UH, HE'S MADE SEVERAL COMMENTS. WE ARE NOW UNDER A STUDY PERIOD TO TRY TO DRAFT SOME, TRY TO DRAFT SOME LANGUAGE THAT WOULD, UH, THAT WOULD ADDRESS THESE CERTAIN SITUATIONS. SOMEONE COMES IN, THEY WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE. UH, THEY'RE COMING IN FOR, UH, FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO, TO, UH, TO HUNT OR TO FISH OR WHAT HAVE YOU. WHATEVER REASON. THEY'VE GOT, UH, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND THE STAFF HAVE KIND OF BEEN JUST ADDRESSING THEM ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND REALLY BEING KIND OF PERMISSIVE ABOUT IT. THAT'S NOT A JUDGMENT, THAT'S NOT A JUDGMENT CALL. IT'S JUST SOMETIMES THAT IS THE CORNER THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE BACKED INTO, BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE IS JUST SO WIDE OPEN. SO I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE OTHER INSTANCES BESIDES JUST THOSE THREE WHERE SOMEONE WOULD WANT AN RV. BUT, UH, BUT THE POINT IS, IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE WANT TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE, THE, UM, THE PROLIFERATION OF THESE AND TO, UH, REALLY JUST BE CLEAR TO, UH, NOT JUST TO THE RESIDENTS OF CROMAC, BUT ALSO TO THE VISITORS AND THOSE WHO ARE COMING IN AND THEY'RE LOOKING ALL AROUND, SEEING ALL OF THESE TRAILERS SAYING, OH, WELL, I CAN JUST BUY, I CAN GO TO MY REAL ESTATE AGENT, BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND JUST SET A TRAILER ON THERE. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. BUT WHEN MIKE MILLBURN GOES OUT THERE AND SAYS, I'M CITING YOU FOR, UH, FOR A VIOLATION. THEY'LL COME IN AND APPLY FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR, YOU KNOW, HUNTING LODGE, OR, UH, WE'RE GETTING READY TO BUILD A HOUSE, OR WE JUST WANT TO PUT THIS HERE TEMPORARILY. THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE TIGHTENED UP WHILE, WHILE ALSO PROVIDING A, A, UH, MECHANISM OR A VEHICLE FOR ALLOWING THEM UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. OKAY. I DON'T, DID THAT, DID AN, DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR DID I MISS THE MARK ON THAT? NO, NO, NO. THAT'S OKAY. SO IN THAT CASE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. YEAH. EVEN IF THEY BRING IT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. RIGHT. WHATEVER THEY UTILIZING IT FOR. I MEAN, AND THE OTHER WAY TO CONTROL THAT TOO IS TO SAY, RVS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. RIGHT. THEY ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN THE AG DISTRICT. RIGHT. SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE LAYERS OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE CONTROL HERE. PRIMARILY, WHICH ZONING DISTRICT ARE THEY ALLOWED IN? 'CAUSE WE'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN A, AN APPLICATION FOR, UH, FOR AN RV IN A BUSINESS DISTRICT. THAT WAS JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO. AND THAT'S KIND OF A NON-STARTER. SO, UH, WE, WE HAVE, UH, WELL, I HAVE ADVISED THE STAFF TO TELL THAT APPLICANT THAT THEY ARE NOT, UH, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ENABLED TO EVEN ASK FOR THIS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN IN THE ORDINANCE TO DO. SO, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. YOU ARE SAYING IN A DISTRICT WITH NO HOUSE, HE, YOU'RE SAYING SOMEBODY HAS A HOUSE AND THEY PULL [00:55:01] A CAMPER BESIDE THEIR HOUSE AND THEIR HABITAT, YOU KNOW, LIVING IN IT. YEAH. BUT YOU CAN'T SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE A CAMPER BESIDE YOUR HOUSE. IT'S JUST LIKE A, UM, LUMBER TRAILER OR LANDSCAPE TRAILER. IT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT IS. YEAH. I THINK IT, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT YOU MIGHT MAYBE OVER, OVER OVERSTEP A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU TRY TO DEFINE IT TOO, TOO CLOSELY. RIGHT. AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHERE OBSERVATION REALLY FACTORS IN. UH, SOME FOLKS, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY DO HAVE AN RV, THEY'VE GOTTA PARK IT SOMEWHERE. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, UH, UH, UH, RENT A SPOT AT THE, AT THE SELF STORAGE YARD. BUT IF OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS GO OUT, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME BACK AWAY FROM THAT AND JUST, UH, AND, AND JUST MENTION A, A, A PERSONAL OBSERVATION. WHEN I COME DOWN FROM, FROM, UH, FROM MARYLAND AND I'M LOOKING ON ROUTE 13 AND I'M LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT RVS, NO LIGHTS THERE. NO LIGHTS THERE. BUT IF I SEE, IF, IF I'M COMING DOWN AT NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND I SEE LIGHTS ON IN AN RV, CHANCES ARE SOMEONE'S LIVING IN THAT. IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT SOMEONE'S LIVING IN THAT, UH, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO INVESTIGATE THAT INSTANCE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FOLLOWING DAY TO SAY, OKAY, WELL, IS THERE A PERMIT HERE? DO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT ZONING? SO ON AND SO FORTH. BUT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY HARD TO TELL, ESPECIALLY DURING THE DAY IF IT'S BEING OCCUPIED LEGALLY OR, OR RATHER ILLEGALLY. SO, UH, THE, THE TWO SCENARIOS, LIKE WHAT YOU SAID MADAM CHAIR ABOUT, UH, ABOUT A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY, PUTTING A TRAILER ON THERE VERSUS, UM, YOURS, COMMISSIONER WHITE, WHERE SOMEONE OWNS A HOUSE, THEY OWN AN RV, THEY'RE PUTTING THE RV ON SITE. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. BUT IF WE, IF WE, IF WE FIND THAT SOMEONE IS LIVING IN THAT, THEN THAT IS AGAINST THE ORDINANCE. THAT IS A VIOLATION, BUT IT'S NOT A VIOLATION TO, TO STORE AN RV ON, ON YOUR PROPERTY IF YOU HAVE ONE. AND, AND, UH, OFTEN PEOPLE HAVE RVS AND SO THEY'LL HAVE HOUSE GUESTS FOR A WEEKEND AND THEY'LL SAY, OH, YOU CAN STAY IN MY RV FOR THE WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF STAYING IN MY SPARE BEDROOM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OR IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE, YOU CAN STAY IN MY RV. UM, SO THAT GOES ON. ALSO, THERE'S A LOT OF GRAY AREA. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . AND, AND IT WOULD BE FOR, YOU KNOW, A FEW DAYS MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YOU'D ASSUME NO MORE THAN THAT. UM, AND, UH, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU HAVE AN RV AND YOU KEEP, IT SITS IN YOUR DRIVEWAY 360 DAYS A YEAR AND FIVE DAYS, YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR AUNT, UNCLE, COUSIN OR WHATEVER COME STAY THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER COMPONENT. AND NO , WE'RE GONNA NEED IT. THANK YOU. IS IT A VIOLATION TO HAVE IT PLUGGED IN? NO. OKAY. I LEAVE MINE PLUGGED IN ALL THE TIME. IT'S NOT A VIOLATION TO HAVE IT PLUGGED IN. UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IF YOU KEEP FANS ON IN THERE AND THAT KIND OF THING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, TO KEEP THE AIR MOVING AND YOU HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE SLIDES OUT, THE SLIDE OUTS ARE, ARE DEPLOYED AND THAT KIND OF THING. IT, IT'S NOT A VIOLATION TO, TO HAVE ANY OF THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT OR COMMENTS FOR TRAVEL TRAILERS? THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT INVOLVED IN THAT. I THINK WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS OR MORE. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR LIKE FIVE YEARS. ALRIGHT. SO THAT CAN MOVE ON TO OTHER MATTERS. UM, THE 2026 MEETING SCHEDULE, I'M GONNA CALL BACK UP HERE FOR THAT ONE. SEAN C RIDLEY COUNTY PANEL. UM, SO THIS IS THE 2026 MEETING CALENDAR, MEETING SCHEDULE. UM, HOPEFULLY ALL OF YOU HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER IT. UM, IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME SCHEDULE AS EVERY YEAR. UM, MAYBE OFF BY ONE DAY. UM, BUT SAME SCHEDULE AS ALWAYS. UM, DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES OR ADJUSTMENTS [01:00:01] THAT THEY FELT LIKE NEEDED TO BE MADE TO THE CALENDAR? OR DID ANYONE SEE ANYTHING THAT LOOKED OFF WITH THE CALENDAR? NO. IS THE DEADLINE WHEN PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE THEIR YEAH. STUFF IN FOR THAT MEETING, OR, YES. OKAY. SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, FOR JANUARY 14TH, UM, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO HAVE, UH, THEIR PROJECT HEARD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT IN BY DECEMBER THE THIRD, THEIR APPLICATIONS IN COMPLETE APPLICATION IN GOTCHA. PAYMENT AND ALL THE THINGS. SO YES, THAT IS WHAT THAT IS. SO, AND SO GO AHEAD. SO THE, THE WORK SESSIONS, THEY'RE JUST SET UP AS DATES IF A WORK SESSION IS NEEDED? YES. OKAY. AND IF A WORK SESSION, IF STAFF FEELS LIKE A WORK SESSION IS NEEDED, UH, STAFF WILL REQUEST IT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WANTED ONE, UH, FOR THIS MONTH, WE WOULD REQUEST IT NOW. UM, AND OR IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECIDED THERE WAS A CASE THAT, UH, YOU WANTED TO DIVE IN MORE, YOU ALSO COULD REQUEST THAT AS WELL. BUT YOU WOULD ALWAYS KNOW AHEAD OF TIME. OKAY. YES. OKAY. SO IF EVERYBODY IS FINE WITH IT, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT? I'LL MOVE. WE ACCEPT THE PROPOSED 2026 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE. I'LL SECOND IT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT THAT AS SHOWN. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. THE MOVE ON TO REAL ESTATE DISCLOSURE FORMS YOU, UM, IT'S JUST A STANDARD ITEM ANNUALLY THAT EVERYONE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS GOTTA FILL OUT. RIGHT. WHO DO WE EMAIL THOSE TO? TO, UM, PAMELA AND D TO PAM? MM-HMM . ALL RIGHT. AND THE DEADLINE FOR THAT IS FEBRUARY 1ST, OR REALLY THE FIRST COMMISSION MEETING IN FEBRUARY? WHATEVER PD BID IS FOR THE REAL ESTATE DISCLOSURE FORMS. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE CAN MOVE ON TO STAFF REPORT. SUBDIVISION AGENT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NOTHING TO REPORT FROM A SUBDIVISION AGENT STANDPOINT? UM, THE, FROM, FROM A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR STANDPOINT, YOU'VE GOT YOUR, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE, UH, CASES FROM THE DECEMBER 3RD MEETING, UH, LAST WEEK, THE BZA SCHEDULE FOR NEXT MONTH. UM, THERE ARE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, TWO CASES HAVE DROPPED OFF. SO THE FIRST APPEAL OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DECISION FOR SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT HAS BEEN, UH, HAS BEEN DEFERRED AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. THE APPEAL OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DECISION FOR THE REGARDING DEEP INJECTION WELLS IS STILL ON. SO COMMISSIONER GALE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FUN NEXT MONTH. MM-HMM . , UM, THE RV FOR HABITATION IS STILL ON, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITHOUT A PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS, IS OFF, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. WE JUST HAVE THE ONE APPEAL FOR THE, UM, DEEP EJECTION WELLS. AND THEN THE RV FOR HABITATION SPECIAL USE PERMIT ARE THE ONLY TWO CASES FOR NEXT MONTH. UH, FROM THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR STANDPOINT, UH, AS I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, WE RECEIVED SIX RESPONSES. WE ARE GOING TO BE INTERVIEWING TWO OF THOSE FIRMS NEXT WEEK, AND WE WILL, UH, WE'LL ANNOUNCE THE WINNER AFTER THAT. BUT THIS IS FOR THE, FOR THE FIVE YEAR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW THAT, UM, THAT WE'VE GOTTA DO FIRST AID CODE, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE A, A CONSIDERABLY HEAVY LIFT OVER THE NEXT, WE'LL SAY 14 TO EIGHT OR 12 TO 18 MONTHS. SO, UH, ONCE THAT FIRM IS SELECTED, THEN WE WILL BE STARTING IN EARNEST, PROBABLY IN LATE JANUARY, UH, OR FEBRUARY, UH, TO GET, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, UH, GET OUR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PLAN IN ORDER. WE WANT TO HAVE MEETINGS IN MULTIPLE PARTS OF THE COUNTY. AND, UM, AND, UH, UH, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE HEAVY ON PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. SO THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, THAT'S MOVING ALONG. AS FAR AS STAFF UPDATES, WE DO HAVE TWO POSITIONS CURRENTLY, UH, ADVERTISED, OR I SHOULD SAY READVERTISED, THE EN ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER. WE'VE RECEIVED TWO RESUMES AS OF TODAY FOR THAT. UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. WE JUST HAD ONE BUILDING INSPECTOR OR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER START, [01:05:01] UH, AT THE END OF LAST MONTH. AND WE STILL HAVE ONE OTHER POSITION TO FILL. SO THAT IS, THAT IS STILL OUT THERE. SO WE'VE GOT ONE POSITION FOR THAT. UH, FOR ENVIRONMENTAL. FOR ENVIRONMENTAL, WE DO HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER POSITION ADVERTISED, BUT WE STILL HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERMIT SPECIALIST POSITION THAT'S STILL OPEN. UM, UH, THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADVERTISED SINCE THE MOST RECENT ENVIRONMENTAL PERMIT SPECIALIST RESIGNED FOR HEALTH REASONS. FINALLY, ACTUALLY, I'M GONNA TURN TO SHATI ON THIS FOR THE INNOVATION GRANT RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY. ALL RIGHT. SHANTE'S, RIDLEY COUNTY PLANNER. I AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS ONE. UM, SO LAST YEAR WE WERE GRANTED ALMOST $500,000 FROM VIRGINIA HOUSING, UH, FOR THEIR INNOVATION GRANT. SO WE HAVE, UM, PARTNERED WITH VIRGINIA HOUSING AND A DEVELOPER, UM, BRYCE LACONTE TO BUILD TWO INNOVATION COTTAGES. UM, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE OVER A YEAR NOW. THE HOMES HAVE BEEN PLACED. UH, EVERYTHING IS PUT TOGETHER. UM, IT WAS QUITE A JOURNEY, BUT A FUN JOURNEY. UM, THE HOUSES ARE ENERGY EFFICIENT. BOTH HAVE, UM, SOLAR SHINGLES AS WELL. UM, SO THIS INVITATION HERE, THIS IS FOR THIS FRIDAY AT 11:00 AM UM, THE RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY. UM, IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT AT 11:00 AM UH, THE DEVELOPER BRYCE WILL BE STAYING TILL MAYBE AROUND TWO-ISH, 3:00 PM FOR ANYONE WHO JUST WANTS TO COME IN AND WALK THROUGH THE HOMES, UM, SEE ALL THE ENERGY EFFICIENT, UH, FEATURES IN THE HOMES. THEY ARE VERY NICE. UM, SO AGAIN, THIS WILL BE THIS FRIDAY, 11:00 AM AND IT'S LOCATED AT 2 4 0 9 5 WILLIS STREET IN THE TOWN OF PARSLEY. SO IF ANYONE KNOWS WHERE THE GRAVEYARD IS AND PARSLEY, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE GRAVEYARD. IS THIS MAG HERE? IS THIS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? YES, IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. MM-HMM . OKAY. HAS IT BEEN ADVERTISED, DO YOU KNOW? UM, IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED WITHIN THE COUNTY AND WITHIN, UH, SMALLER GROUPS. OKAY. BUT ANYONE IS WELCOME TO COME IN. THE DOORS WILL BE OPEN, IT'LL BE WELCOME FOR ANYONE TO COME IN. UM, I KNOW THE TOWN OF PARSLEY, THEY HAVE, UH, GONE INTO THEIR COMMUNITY TOO, TO LET FOLKS KNOW ABOUT THE RIBBON CUTTING AS WELL. OKAY. SO IT'S OPEN TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO COME TO, UH, TOUR THE HOMES. AND THERE WILL ALSO BE A, THERE'LL BE A, A CATERED LUNCH AS WELL, AND THERE WILL BE, UH, LIGHT REFRESHMENTS FOR BREAKFAST. SO IT'S GONNA BE REALLY NICE. SO IF YOUR SCHEDULES PERMIT AND YOU CAN COME OUT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY, YOU KNOW, A LONG TIME IF YOU CAN'T. BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST TO COME AND, YOU KNOW, GET A, GET A VIEW OF 'EM A LITTLE WALKTHROUGH. SO, AND AGAIN, FRIDAY 11:00 AM SO ARE THESE TWO THE END OF THE, THE GRANT? ARE THESE TWO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET, OR DO YOU SEE YES. ANOTHER TWO DOZEN OR SO? THERE COULD POSSIBLY BE MORE IN THE FUTURE, BUT THIS IS IT FOR THIS GRANT. YEAH. ALRIGHT. OKAY. NICE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, OUR NEXT MEETING IS JANUARY 14TH. UM, ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR, I, I GUESS IT'S NOT A QUESTION, BUT FOR NEXT I JUST HAVE SOME MISGIVINGS ABOUT THE SEWER PROJECT AND HOW LIMITED IT APPEARS TO SERVE CERTAIN SEGMENTS OF THE POPULATION. UH, I JUST, I JUST HAVE, UH, CONCERNS THAT IT DIDN'T DO WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO DO. YOU KNOW, IT LOOKED LIKE, UH, SOME PEOPLE BENEFITED AND IT PARTICULARLY ADDRESSED THE ISSUE WITH THE ITEM, THE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH SOME OF THE SEWER SYSTEMS, INWOOD 30,000 RANGE. IT KIND OF PUTS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE CONCEPT OF AFFORDABILITY, A SEWER SYSTEM, PARTICULARLY WITH THE NORTHERN END AND MID MID-COUNTY ERA, UH, TARGETED TO SOME BUSINESSES ON ROUTE 13. I, I THINK A SEWER SYSTEM WOULD BENEFIT US MORE THE OPPORTUNITY [01:10:01] TO, TO KIND OF MOVE A SEWER SYSTEM TO BE MORE WIDELY. UH, YEAH, I JUST THINK WE CAN DO BETTER. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN KIND OF, KIND OF START THIS OR, OR MAKE IT KNOWN THAT, UH, WE NEED A SEWER SYSTEM THAT DOES MORE THAN JUST ONE OR TWO TOWNS AND ONE OR TWO IN THE JAIL. YOU KNOW, IF, IF I CAN SAY YOU MADE THAT COMMENT ABOUT 30 MINUTES TOO LATE WHEN WE WERE DOING THE CIP, DEFINITELY MAKE THAT COMMENT NEXT MONTH DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE PERFECT TIME TO REALLY LET THE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, LET THE, UH, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, CERTAINLY THE, UH, THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR, UH, FOR, UH, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AND FACILITIES. STEWART HALL, MY COUNTERPART ON THAT SIDE IS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE, UM, UH, UH, IN, IN THE ADMINISTRATION OF SEWER, AT LEAST WAS BEFORE IT WAS TURNED OVER TO HRSD. WE ALSO HAVE KIND OF A, A VERY LIMITED WATER SYSTEM, BUT I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. UM, UH, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A, UH, AN ORGANIZATION LIKE HRSD THAT'S GOT THE EXPERIENCE AND THAT'S GOT THE, UH, THE, THE RESOURCES TO, TO MANAGE, UH, UH, SEWER SYSTEMS. NOT JUST THE COLLECTION SYSTEMS, BUT THEN ALSO THE TREATMENT FACILITIES. SO, UH, THEIR, I GUESS THEIR TAKEOVER OF THE, OF THE, OF THE SEWER SYSTEM FOR, OF, OF THE IN C**K SEWER SYSTEM IS, UH, HAS, HAS REALLY, UH, IN MY OPINION, KIND OF RAISED THE VISIBILITY OF THE LIMITATIONS OF THAT PLANT. SO THAT PLANT CAN ONLY TREAT, I, I DON'T WANNA MISSPEAK HERE, BUT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, OF EFFLUENT PER DAY. AND THAT PLANT IS ONLY SIZED TO TAKE ON JUST A COUPLE, JUST A COUPLE MORE, UH, DEVELOPMENTS. COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES CERTAINLY WILL BE ON THERE. UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, UH, DUNCAN MANOR PLUS WHAT, UH, JOHN CUSAS HAS DONE BEHIND THE FORMER, UM, UH, BANK HEADQUARTERS. SO WHILE WE'VE GOT HRSD, UH, MANAGING AND MAINTAINING THAT SYSTEM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE ARE NO PLANS TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THE ONANCOCK PLANT. I KNOW THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WOULD AGREE WITH YOU AS WELL, BECAUSE, UH, SEWER ENABLES SO MANY OTHER THINGS. AND SEWER IS A, UH, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND SAY IT'S, UH, THE LACK OF SEWER IS A LIABILITY FOR THIS COUNTY. AND TO THAT END, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS STARTED WITH A TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR INSERTION INTO THE CIPI WANNA SAY, WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE IN 20 23, 20 24, IN THE SUBSEQUENT CIP, THEY INCREASED THAT FROM, UH, FROM TWO AND A HALF MILLION TO 5 MILLION, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN INCREASED SINCE THEN TO 6 MILLION. WE MET WITH THE SECRETARY, UH, THE VIRGINIA, THE OUTGOING VIRGINIA SECRETARY OF COMMERCE AND TRADE THE FRIDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING. AND HE ASKED THE ROOM, WHICH INCLUDED REPRESENTATIVES FROM VIRGINIA SPACE, NASA, NORTHROP GRUMMAN, THE COUNTY, THE A-N-P-D-C. SO THERE WERE A LOT OF HIGH LEVEL STAKEHOLDERS IN THAT MEETING. UH, UH, UH, EASTERN SHORE COMMUNITY COLLEGE WAS ALSO ANOTHER ONE. AND THE SECRETARY ASKED, WHAT IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT, UH, ISSUE THAT HIS SECRETARY CAN TRY TO ADDRESS IN HIS LAST 50 DAYS IN OFFICE? AND EVERYBODY UNANIMOUSLY AGREED THAT SEWER WAS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE COULD GET STATE ASSISTANCE FROM. WE WERE ASKED TO PUT TOGETHER A, UH, UH, UH, BASICALLY LIKE A ONE PAGE OR TWO PAGE MEMO ON, UH, ON WHAT OUR RATIONAL WOULD BE AND HOW MUCH WE WOULD WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE COME FROM THE STATE IN TERMS OF FUNDING. SO, UH, THAT IS IN THE HANDS OF THE, OF THE, UH, UH, OF THE SECRETARY OF COMMERCE AND TRADE, THE CURRENT SECRETARY OF COMMERCE AND TRADE. AND OF COURSE, THAT PERSON'S GONNA CHANGE ON INAUGURATION DAY. UM, AND WE BASICALLY PUT IN A, UH, UH, WE, WE, WE PUT IN A REQUEST FOR, AND IT'S JUST A REQUEST AND WHETHER IT GOES ANYWHERE [01:15:01] IS REALLY UP TO, UP TO THE STATE OFFICIALS FOR $9 MILLION FOR NORTHERN QUEBEC. AND, UH, THAT IS AGAIN, JUST ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW IMPORTANT THIS COUNTY FEELS ABOUT SEWER, NOT JUST IN THE CENTRAL PARK, BUT ESPECIALLY IN A NORTHERN PARK, UH, TO, TO SUPPORT VIRGINIA SPACE AND NASA AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON UP THERE. FOR THE CENTRAL PART, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A, AN ONGOING CONVERSATION BECAUSE IF THERE ARE NO PLANS TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THAT SEWER PLANT, THEN ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN. ONCE THAT PLANT IS MAXED OUT, IT'S MAXED OUT. BUT THE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE IN CENTRAL AKAMAK IS GOING TO REQUIRE, UH, IS GONNA REQUIRE THOSE DEVELOPERS TO HAVE THEIR OWN SEWER SOLUTION ON SITE. SO THAT WOULD ENTAIL, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, SMALLER PLANT WITH, WITH, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A PLANT TO TREAT. BUT THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY APPLICATIONS LIKE THAT YET, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT ONSITE, UH, THAT ONSITE SEWER SOLUTIONS ARE KIND OF EXPENSIVE. BUT TO, TO YOUR POINT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER PAT, THAT IS, UH, THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY ON THE MINDS OF, UH, OF THE, UH, OF THE COUNTY BRASS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, CERTAINLY ME AND, UH, UH, UH, ME AND, UH, STUART HALL. WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING, UH, WITH KINLEY HORNED ON A SEWER STUDY. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRIMARILY CENTERED AROUND NORTHERN AKAMAK BETWEEN THE, THE, THE DARBY FARM, OR WE'LL CALL THE MARS INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX ALL THE WAY UP TO THE, UH, THE SEWER TREATMENT PLANT ON THE NASA FACILITY ITSELF. UM, THAT IS, THAT STUDY IS STILL IN PROGRESS. IT'S GOT A WAYS TO GO, BUT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AGAIN, PUTTING IT IN THEIR, UH, STRATEGIC PRIORITIES, PUTTING IT IN THE CIP, IT'S DEFINITELY AN IMPORTANT, UH, IT'S DEFINITELY AN IMPORTANT, UH, UH, ISSUE OR INITIATIVE TO FIND SOME SEWER SOLUTIONS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, NAMELY NORTHERN AKAMAK. BUT WE DO RECOGNIZE THE LIMITATIONS OF CENTRAL MACK AS WELL. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . AND IF I, IF I MAY, UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS DISCUSSION BEFORE, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED COASTAL SQUARE MM-HMM . AS BEING AN ALLOCATION FOR THE FUTURE ALLOCATION FOR WHAT WE HAVE IN THE TOWN OF A NCO. RIGHT. BUT IF I RECALL, THERE WAS ALSO WHISPER THE WHISPERING PINES AREA MM-HMM . WHICH HAS AN ALLOCATION AS WELL. BUT NO, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE PROBABLY IS NOT A PLAN FOR THE WHISPERING PINES, BUT WE'VE ALLOCATED SEPTIC FOR THAT, WHEREAS WE HAVE RESIDENTS WHICH ARE NEAR THE TOWN OF THE C**K THAT DO NOT HAVE, UM, OR THERE IS NO INTENT TO PROVIDE SEPTIC FOR THOSE. BUT WE'VE DONE THE ALLOCATION FOR AREA THAT THERE IS NO PLAN. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT COULD, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD REVIEW OR IF THERE'S A CHANGE FOR THAT. BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE, OF SOME OF THE FUTURE ALLOCATIONS FOR THAT SEPTIC SYSTEM. RIGHT. AND O C**K, SO THE, THE VARIOUS LOCALITIES ALONG THE FORCE MAIN WERE, UH, WERE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO OPT IN. EXMORE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUTTA EXMORE IS GOING TO AN C**K. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, UH, UM, ON C**K OBVIOUSLY IS ON THE PLAN. IT'S THEIR, IT WAS ORIGINALLY THEIR PLANT, UH, MACK COUNTY WAS, UH, WAS, UH, ASKED, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT MAY NEED SERVICE? AND, UM, UH, AND THEN THERE WERE SOME TOWNS ALONG THAT FORCE MAIN THAT OPTED OUT AND DIDN'T WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, TO BE ON THE FORCE MAINE OR TO HAVE A, A, A SEWER TREATMENT SOLUTION. MACK COUNTY, AND I DON'T HAVE THE FIGURES IN FRONT OF ME, I'D BE HAPPY TO GET THOSE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, FOR, UH, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR STUART HALL, TO SPEAK ON IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA ASK THAT QUESTION ABOUT MAYBE THE CCIP, BUT CERTAINLY FUTURE CIPS, MAYBE, UH, UH, UH, HAVING THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S OPINION, UH, OR POSITION KNOWN ON SEWER, UH, WHEN WE WERE, WHEN WE WERE APPROACHED WITH, BY, BY APPROACHED BY HRSD WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ALLOCATION, UH, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH, GALLONS PER DAY, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF GALLONS PER DAY MM-HMM . AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS IN FRONT OF US SAYING, OKAY, COASTAL SQUARE IS GONNA NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT. [01:20:01] DUNCAN MANOR MAY NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT, AND THAT IS FOR THE COUNTY. NOW, IF, IF THERE ARE OTHER ALLOCATIONS THAT NEED TO BE, UH, THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED, THEN WE NEED TO KNOW, WE NEED TO KNOW THOSE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. BUT THESE ALLOCATIONS ARE FOR DEVELOPMENTS OR FOR DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY, UH, THEY, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PUT IN THEIR OWN PIPES. SO THE ALLOCATION ISN'T MEANT TO HOOK UP AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSE, FOR EXAMPLE. SO IF THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS NOT ON THE SYSTEM, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULDN'T BE CONTINGENT ON THE COUNTY TO RUN A LINE AND TO CONNECT THEM, UH, IF THERE'S GONNA BE A LINE RUNNING BY THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THE, THAT THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW IS THAT, UH, DEVELOPERS ARE REQUIRED TO, UH, TO, UH, PUT IN THEIR OWN COLLECTION SYSTEMS AND TO CONNECT TO THE, UH, AND TO CONNECT TO THE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE FORCE NAME. BUT IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUES, IF I'VE MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION, CERTAINLY LET ME KNOW. THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME FOLKS IN THE ONANCOCK AREA THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT ON THE SYSTEM, AND IF THEY'RE ON, IF THEY'RE ON, UH, IF THEY'RE ON A SEPTIC SYSTEM, BUT THEY WANT TO CONNECT, THEY'RE GONNA BE ASKED TO CONNECT THEMSELVES, WHAT, OKAY. MM-HMM . IF THEY, IF THEY WANT TO BE ON THE, IF THEY'RE NOT ON THE SYSTEM NOW, BUT THEY WANT TO BE ON THE SYSTEM, THEY HAVE TO CONNECT THEMSELVES. HRSD ISN'T GONNA RUN A LINE TO THEM, MACK COUNTY'S NOT GONNA RUN THE LINE TO. SO WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE ONES THAT HAVE DECIDED THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO RECEIVE THAT SERVICE, HOW WERE THEY SURVEYED, OR HOW DID WE FIND OUT THAT THAT PARTICULAR AREA DID NOT WANTED TO OPT OUT OF THAT? RIGHT. I, I WASN'T HERE FOR THAT. OKAY. BUT, BUT THEY WERE APPROACHED AT THE, AT THE TOWN LEVEL, SO, SO HRSD, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNTY WAS INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE IT WAS BEFORE MY ARRIVAL. THE TOWNS THAT ARE ALONG THAT FORCE MAIN WERE ASKED IF THEY WANT TO CONNECT IN CERTAIN TOWNS, SAID NO. OKAY. THAT WAS WITHIN THE TOWN, NOT OTHER NEIGHBORING AREAS THAT WERE NOT A PART OF THE TOWN, JUST WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS THEMSELVES, WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS. SO OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN LIMITS MM-HMM . IF ONE, IF THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WANTS TO CONNECT, THEN ARE THEY GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO? OR HOW WOULD THEY DO THAT IF WE'RE, AND MY POINT IS THAT WE'RE ALLOCATING FOR WHISPERING PINES AREA THAT DOESN'T PARTICULARLY HAVE A PLAN TODAY, BUT WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE EXISTING THAT ARE NOT GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SERVICE TODAY. RIGHT, RIGHT. IF THOSE, IF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE IN THERE ARE CHALLENGES, BUT THEY'RE NOT INSURMOUNTABLE, IT WOULD BE AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION TO DO SO. MM-HMM . UM, YOU KNOW, UH, TO, TO RUN A, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH NEIGHBORHOODS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IF, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE NEXT TO A SEWER LINE, IT'S GONNA BE CONSIDERABLY CHEAPER TO HAVE THEM CONNECT. AND OF COURSE, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE, UH, UH, SEWER TAPS AND THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE THE PLUMBING DIRECTLY TO THE HOUSE. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF EXPENSE INVOLVED IN CONNECTING A HOUSE THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY ON A SYSTEM. UH, IF IT'S A GRAVITY LINE, IT'S A LOT EASIER. IF IT'S A FORCE MAIN THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO CONNECT TO, THEN THERE'S A PUMP STATION INVOLVED. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS IN INVOLVED IN, UH, IN CONNECTING A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UH, THAT ISN'T CURRENTLY ON THE SYSTEM. WHEREAS IF YOU'RE BUILDING NEW, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY A LOT EASIER TO CONNECT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BUILDING FROM THE GROUND UP AS OPPOSED TO CONNECTING AN ALREADY ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, BUT TO, TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I'D, I'D HAVE TO HUDDLE UP WITH, UM, WITH STEWART TO SEE, UH, AND, AND WITH OUR CONTACTS AT HRSD TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE. BUT, UH, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU, YOU JUST HAD AN EARLY LOOK AT THE CIP TODAY. THERE WASN'T ANYTHING IN THERE ABOUT, UH, ABOUT RUNNING SEWER LINES AND, AND THAT KIND OF, AND THAT WOULDN'T REALLY BE CONTINGENT ON US BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER OUR, IT'S NO LONGER, WELL, IT'S NO LONGER AN, AN ANCO SYSTEM, IT'S HRSD SYSTEM. SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE, UH, UM, KIND OF BEHOLDEN TO THEIR PROCESSES FOR, FOR ANY NEW CONNECTIONS. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . OKAY. RIGHT. THANK YOU. BUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE, YOU, YOU ALSO HAVE SOME LOCALITIES THAT COULD APPLY FOR GRANT FUNDING FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR SEWER. BUT, UH, UH, THAT ALSO IS A HEAVY LIFT AS WELL. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S PO I'M NOT SAYING IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, BUT, UH, WE, WE NEED TO KNOW MORE. [01:25:01] BUT, UH, I'LL, I'LL GET UP WITH, UM, WITH SOME OTHER FOLKS AND KIND OF PRESENT THAT SCENARIO TO THEM. I THINK FOR, FOR CLARIFICATION, THE LINE THAT THEY RAN FROM AWAS MM-HMM . UP THE RAILROAD TRACK, AND THEN THEY SPURRED OFF TO WUP CREEK AND IT GOES UP TO THE C**K AND CUTS ACROSS THE HOSPITAL AND ALL THAT'S, AND, AND THEN ANOTHER SPUR GOES TO OMA. MM-HMM . THAT'S A FORCED MAIN MM-HMM . SO THE PIPE IS ONLY, IT'S A SMALL DIMENSION PIPE MM-HMM . AND SO AS, AS MR. PAM BID SAID, IT REQUIRES A COLLECTION STATION AND A PUMP TO FORCE IT, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING LIKE YOU AS A HOMEOWNER WOULD, WOULD TIE INTO. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. MM-HMM . YEAH. AND I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION OR MY MORE OF A COMMENT IS THAT, UM, I BELIEVE WHISPERING PINES IS ALLOCATED, OR THAT THERE HAS BEEN SET ASIDE AT THE C**K STATION FOR THE WHISPERING PINES AREA MM-HMM . WHICH DOESN'T EXIST TODAY AND DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN TODAY, BUT WE HAVE NEIGHBORING, UH, COMMUNITIES THAT ARE EXISTING THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME ON TO THE SYSTEM. AND I, I GUESS THAT'S MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD ENTAIL A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ORGANIZATION AND RESOURCES. UM, LIKE I SAID, NOT IMPOSSIBLE MM-HMM . BUT JUST AS AN EXAMPLE TO, TO, TO PUT ACK PRIMARY SCHOOL ON THE SYSTEM, WHICH IS NOT ON THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW, WE'D HAVE TO RUN A LINE UP, UM, COURTHOUSE AVENUE, AND THEN THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A PUMP STATION OR A, A, A PUMP STATION TO KIND OF STEP DOWN THAT PRESSURE. MM-HMM . THE COST FOR THAT IS $250,000, AND THAT'S JUST UP THE BLOCK. AND, AND THAT'S JUST FOR ONE, THAT'S JUST FOR ONE CONNECTION. SO, UH, IT, IT'S NOT CHEAP. IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE IT'S NOT CHEAP, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'LL, WE'LL GET SOME MORE INFORMATION TO YOU ON THAT. YEAH. UM, WHISPERING PINES, THE REASON WHY WHISPERING PINES WHISPER WHISPERING PINES WAS ALLOCATED A CERTAIN AMOUNT WAS, UH, WAS AS, UH, SO, SO THE COUNTY OWNS THE WHISPERING PINES SITE MM-HMM . AND IT IS OUR DESIRE TO HAVE HIGHER DENSITY, UH, DEVELOPMENT, HOPEFULLY AFFORDABLE AND ATTAINABLE HOUSING ON THERE. BUT IN ORDER TO, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE SEWER OR AN ONSITE SEWER SOLUTION WHERE IF, UM, IF AN APP OR IF A DEVELOPER IS GETTING GRANT FUNDING, THEN THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA RUN INTO PROBLEMS IF IT'S NOT ON A CENTRAL, CENTRAL SEWER SYSTEM, BECAUSE MAINTENANCE OF THAT SEWER SYSTEM, IF IT'S, IF IT'S AN ONSITE SYSTEM, THEN THAT'S GONNA FALL TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND OR, UH, OR THE OCCUPANTS OR THE, OR THE TENANTS. AND THAT IS GONNA BE AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION FOR THEM. SO, UH, THAT'S WHY WHISPERING PINES WAS GIVEN AN ALLOCATION. REALISTICALLY, AGAIN, UH, UH, UM, A GRAVITY LINE OR A FORCE MAIN WOULD HAVE TO BE RUN FROM THE, UH, FROM THE, UH, COASTAL SQUARE AREA ALL THE WAY UP, YOU KNOW, PAST THE ROUNDABOUT DOWN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FAIRGROUNDS ROAD DOWN, UH, TAAZ. MM-HMM . I THINK THAT'S TALY ROAD AFTER THE, AFTER THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, JUST TO GET TO WHISPERING PINES MM-HMM . SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS KIND OF A TALL ORDER MM-HMM . BUT WE PUT THAT IN THERE AS A POSSIBILITY FOR AFFORDABLE AND ATTAINABLE HOUSING AT DENSITY. IT'S NOT GONNA BE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ON THE WHISPERING PINE SITE. IT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY THAN THAT. AND IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE HIGHER DENSITY, YOU NEED SEWER, CENTRALIZED SEWER. MM-HMM . BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THOSE ALLOCATIONS NEED TO BE RECONSIDERED AGAIN, WE'LL HUDDLE ALONG WITH THE, UH, WITH UM, UH, HRSD AND WITH THE, UH, UH, OTHER DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, THE FORCE MAIN GOES RIGHT BY WHISPERING HEIGHTS THAT IT DOES. YEAH. UM, MAYBE I WAS THINKING ABOUT WATER, BUT THE FORCE MAIN DOES, BUT AGAIN, THE, THE, THE COST OF A, OF A PUMP STATION IS, IS SIGNIFICANT. 'CAUSE IT RUNS UP THAT, IS THAT WHARTON ROAD THERE? YEAH. MM-HMM . MM-HMM. IT RUNS RIGHT UP THERE. IT GOES UNDER 13 AND GOES UP IN FRONT OF THE RADIO STATION AND UP THERE INTO . I GUESS I'M THINKING CLOSER. THAT WAS EXACTLY RIGHT. THE FORCE PAINT DOES ALREADY RUN BY WEST. RIGHT. AND I GUESS I'M LOOKING MORE SO THAT WE HAVE THE STATION RIGHT IN ON C**K AND WE HAVE THE [01:30:01] NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY OF TOWN ROAD, WHICH IS RIGHT THERE AS WELL. MM-HMM . IT, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, NOT SAYING THAT I HAVE ALL THE EXPERTISE IN THAT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A VERY PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE, THOSE RESIDENTS IN THAT COMMUNITY TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT TO, UM, ONANCOCK. AND WHEN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN SURVEYED OR IF THAT QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED, BUT IT'S, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO WHERE THE ONANCOCK THE MAIN SYSTEM I'LL SAY IS. SO AGAIN, NOT AN EXPERTISE IN THAT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. HOW MANY, HOW MANY UH, HOUSES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, I'M NOT SURE, AND I'M, THAT'S NOT MY AREA, BUT I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE IT'S THERE, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY KELVIN. DO YOU KNOW COMMISSIONER 20 OR SO? MAYBE 30. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. DIDN'T WHISPERING PINES HAVE ITS OWN, UM, SEWAGE SYSTEM? IT DID, YEAH. SEWAGE TREATMENT. THE, THE, THE HOTEL. THE HOTEL HAD ITS SEWAGE TREATMENT, BUT PROBABLY DO NOT, NOT THERE NOW, BUT MM-HMM . I, ANY, ANY DEVELOPER WANTING TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THAT SITE PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT ANY PART OF THAT SYSTEM ANYWAYS. I, I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON THAT IT, OF ITS DEMISE WAS THE LACK OF A SEWER PLANT THAT WAS WORKING PROPERLY. RIGHT. I GUESS I HEAR YOU GUYS ASK, SAY YOU NEED MORE SEWER, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE DEVELOPERS ARE KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR, BUT DEVELOPERS NEVER FILL THEIR DEVELOPMENT. THEY NEVER BANG A NAIL. THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING BUT DEVELOP AND SHOW PLANS AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE SO MUCH SEWER. WHAT YOU NEED IS JOBS TO BRING PEOPLE HERE TO, YOU KNOW, FILL THE DEVELOPMENTS. I, SO, I DON'T KNOW, JUST SEEMS, I MEAN, LAKE TOWN CENTER'S GOT A, A DEVELOPMENT IN WATVILLE WITH SEWER. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THERE. RIGHT. I MEAN, WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE IN TALKS WITH THAT DEVELOPER TO, UH, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, HE WANTS TO RESTART THAT. THAT'S NOT A SECRET. UH, AND, UM, COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS MM-HMM . SO ONCE THEY GET, UH, ONCE THEY GET, UM, APPROVAL, I FULLY EXPECT 'EM TO, TO, TO START ACTUALLY BUILDING. AND ARE THEY PUTTING THEIR SEWER ON THEIR LAND THIS TIME? COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES? NO. ATLANTIC TOWN CENTER. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S AN ONSITE, UH, THAT'S AN ONSITE PROPOSAL. GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. UM, I GUESS WE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.