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MR. SPARKMAN,[Planning Commission Regular Meeting on February 11, 2026.]
MR. WHITE AND MR. ROGERS ABSENT.UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR SUBTRACTIONS TO THE AGENDA? MOVE TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA.
AND SECOND TO ADOPT AGENDA AS WRITTEN.
CAN MOVE ON TO THE MINUTES OF WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 14TH, 2025.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS? NO.
MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT JANUARY 14TH MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
OPPOSED? WE CAN OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD.
IF ANYBODY NOBODY'S SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
UH, BRIEFING ON THE REZONING OF DUNCAN MANOR.
UH, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
LEE PAM, A DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THIS IS JUST A QUICK BRIEFING ON AN APPLICATION THAT WE RECEIVED FOR, UM, UH, FOR, I BELIEVE IT'S 140 UNITS, AS WELL AS, UH, AS WELL AS 82 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLS.
IN ANY CASE, THIS IS THE ATLANTIC GROUP AND ASSOCIATES, CHRIS CARBAUGH AND, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UH, FOR ALL THE PROPERTIES, THERE ARE VARIOUS TAX PARCELS TOTALING 55.45 ACRES OWNED BY THE OTAKI GROUP.
UM, AND, AND AS YOU SEE HERE ON THE, UH, VITAL STATS CHART, UH, 35 TAX PARCELS IN TOTAL.
AND WE DID PROVIDE A, UM, UH, UH, A LOT AREA IN TAX PARCEL CHART FOR YOU IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THE ZONING IS BUSINESS AND AGRICULTURAL.
THE FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION IS VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
UM, THE ADJACENT ZONING IS, UH, AGRICULTURAL BUSINESS AND VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
AND THE ADJACENT USES ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, VACANT AGRICULTURAL, AND PROPOSED VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS OF COURSE THE, UH, COASTAL SQUARE RESIDENCES, UH, MEDICAL OFFICES, AND ALSO PERSONAL SERVICES.
THE OVERALL DENSITY CITY BETWEEN THE TWO SECTIONS, OR THE TWO PARTS IS 4.04 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THE EAST PART IS 6.29 DWELLING, OR 6.20 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, AND THE WEST PORTION IS 2.09 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
YEAH, SO THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE BRIEF IS JUST TO BRING YOU UP TO SPEED ON THE, UH, ON THE APPLICATION THAT WE RECEIVED.
BUT, UH, THE STAFF REQUESTS A WORK SESSION IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS ON TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 24TH.
UM, AS I HAD MENTIONED, THE DEVELOPER PROPOSES TO REZONE THE 55.45 ACRES IN TOTAL, UM, BETWEEN TWO AREAS LABELED EAST AND WEST ON THE, UM, UH, ON THE CHART ABOVE.
AND HE WANTS TO GO FROM AG AND BUSINESS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A, A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH IN HIS, UH, PROPOSAL OR HIS PROPOSED AREA AG AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND BUSINESS DISTRICT.
AND HE WANTS TO GO TO VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO CONSTRUCT 224 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
THERE ARE ALSO, UM, SOME AMENITIES, THINGS LIKE, UH, UH, COMMUNITY, THERE'S A COMMUNITY POOL, SOME PARKS AS WELL AS A COMMUNITY CENTER.
AND, UH, IN ADDITION TO THOSE AMENITIES, THERE ARE TWO COMMERCIAL PADS.
AS I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS APPLICATION, UH, PRECEDES THE, I'M SORRY, IT SUCCEEDS THE COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES, UH, DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WAS APPROVED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
AND JUST AS A QUICK UPDATE ON THAT, HE'S STILL WORKING ON THE SITE PLANS, BUT, UM, BUT, UH, UH, ONCE HE'S DONE AND ONCE WE APPROVED, HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TURN OVER DIRT.
I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHEN THAT IS.
I EXPECT THAT TO BE SOMETIME, YOU KNOW, UH, MAYBE IN LATE SUMMER.
WE DO HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND A, UM, UH, UH, UH, RESOURCE QUALITY PROTECTION PLAN.
AND THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE STILL UNDER REVIEW.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY PROFFERS ON THIS, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY TO, UH, TO BRIEF YOU ON AGAIN, UH, UH, TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF HOUSING PRODUCTS, 140, UH, UNITS OF ONE OVER ONE TOWNHOUSES.
AND WE'RE GONNA CALL UP SOME, UH, SOME, UH, UH, PLANS AND SOME RENDERINGS TO SHOW YOU.
AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO 84 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS
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ON LOTS WITH, AND HE PROPOSES A MINIMUM WIDTH OF 60 FEET.ONE THING THAT'S, UH, THAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS PLAN THAT YOU DON'T SEE HERE IN THIS AREA IS A LANDSCAPED BERM ALONG MARKET STREET.
UH, HE, HE'S SHOWING, UH, THREE PONDS AND, UH, AGAIN, THOSE TWO COMMERCIAL PADS ALONG MARKET STREET ONE'S AT THE INTERSECTION OF DUNCAN MANOR ROAD AND THE OTHER ONE'S AT FAIRGROUNDS.
SO, UH, SHAUNTICE, IF WE COULD GO AHEAD AND CALL UP THE PLAN.
IF YOU COULD, DO YOU MIND BETTER IF I PULL IT FROM THE STAND? NO, THIS WILL BE FINE RIGHT HERE.
UM, IF YOU COULD ACTUALLY OPEN IT IN ACROBAT SO THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO YOUR AGENDA AND THEN RIGHT CLICK ON IT.
SEE IF YOU CAN HIT CONTROL L FROM HERE AND MAYBE IT'LL WORK.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE FROM THE, UH, FROM THE VICINITY MAP, UM, THIS IS MARKET STREET, RIGHT HERE, FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TWO PORTIONS.
THERE'S A WEST PORTION AND AN EAST PORTION.
THE HOSPITAL IS RIGHT HERE, A CLOSER LOOK WITH, UM, UH, WITH SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS.
ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THE SALMON COLOR ARE OWNED BY A SINGLE OWNER.
THAT'S THE ODACHOWSKI GROUP HERE ALONG DUNCAN MANOR.
UM, IF YOU RECALL, UH, HE, HE HAD SEVERAL LOTS ALONG THE, UM, ALONG THE SOUTH LINE OF DUNCAN MANOR THAT HE HAD, UH, RECONFIGURED EARLIER, UH, WITH A PRELIMINARY PLAT, BUT THERE'S JUST A LITTLE GAP RIGHT HERE THAT'S NOT OWNED BY THE OSKY GROUP.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS, UM, IS A, UH, UM, IT'S A PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY THAT THEY OWN.
SO THAT WILL BE PART OF THE, UH, TECHNICALLY PART OF THE SUBDIVISION OR THE, THE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS A RENDERING, UM, UH, SHOWING THE, UH, SHOWING THE LAYOUT.
SO YOU'RE 140 UNITS OF, UH, ONE OVER ONE TOWNHOUSES.
UH, AND THESE ARE GONNA BE CONDOS ARE HERE.
IF YOU RECALL, ALL OF THIS PROPERTY UP HERE IS THE COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES, UH, DEVELOPMENT DOWN HERE.
IF WE CAN JUST ZOOM INTO THE, UM, UH, SOUTHEAST PORTION.
YEAH, THAT'S GOOD RIGHT THERE.
THESE ARE YOUR AMENITIES HERE.
COMMUNITY CENTER WITH POOL, THERE'S A LITTLE COMMUNITY PARK HERE.
AND OF COURSE ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO BE COMMON AREA WITH A, WITH A MAJOR POND.
IF WE COULD PAN OVER TO THE, UM, TO THE WEST PORTION.
THIS IS FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, INTERSECTION OF FAIRGROUNDS AND MARKET.
UH, AND THEN THIS, OF COURSE, IS THE FORMER, UH, AIRSTRIP PROPERTY.
THIS IS YOUR LANDSCAPED BERM ALONG MARKET STREET.
AND ALL OF THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
AND AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THE THREE PONDS HERE.
THIS IS AN RPA BUFFER TO, UH, UH, TO, UH, PROTECT THAT STREAM.
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ONE COMMERCIAL PAD UP HERE AT THE, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF FAIRGROUNDS AND MARKET.AND THEN THE OTHER ONE DOWN HERE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, DUNCAN MANOR, UH, TURNS TO THE, UH, UH, TURNS TO THE RIGHT OR THE EAST, AND THE OTHER COMMERCIAL PAD HIT ESCAPEMENT CONTROL L.
THIS IS A PHASING PLAN, WHICH YOU ALL HAVE SEEN IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
HE DOES PROPOSE TO CONNECT TO HRSD AND AN HANCOCK WATER.
AND THIS IS A REPRESENTATIVE ONE OVER ONE AND, UH, BASICALLY A ONE OVER ONE.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THERE'S ONE UNIT OVER, OR ONE STORY UNIT OVER A ONE STORY UNIT.
THEY ALSO HAVE, OR I HAVE ALSO SEEN TWO OVER TWOS, WHICH IS A TWO STORY UNIT OVER A TWO STORY UNIT FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR STORIES IN OTHER LOCALITIES THAT I'VE WORKED.
BUT HERE THEY ARE GOING FOR A, A LOW PROFILE, UM, UH, A LOW PROFILE, UH, HEIGHT AND, UH, PRODUCT WITH AN ARTICULATED ROOF.
YOU SEE A LOT OF GABLE ENDS, UH, AND, UH, UH, THAT KIND OF THING, DORMERS.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE AN ATTRACTIVE, UH, AN ATTRACTIVE PRODUCT.
WE CAN CERTAINLY ZOOM IN IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SEEING MORE.
AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE AND IT STARTS OVER AGAIN.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A SIMPLE BRIEFING AND, UH, AND I HAVE NOTHING ELSE FOR YOU ON THAT.
THIS CONCLUDES MY, UH, COMMENTS AND I CAN FIELD ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AGAIN, THE MAIN ASK IS, UH, FOR A, UM, WORK SESSION ON, UH, ON TUESDAY THE 24TH.
YOU KNOW, WE KEEP ADDING ON AND ADDING ON TO HR SD IN THE
AND I KEEP WONDERING, WAS IT, WAS IT OVERBUILT BY THAT MUCH? I MEAN, I, I REMEMBER WHEN THEY BUILT IT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY INFORMED EVERYBODY THAT IT WAS WAY OVER-ENGINEERED.
AND THEN OF COURSE, HENCE THE PIPELINE FROM EAST EASTVILLE ALL THE WAY UP HERE, PROPOSED SPURS TO RIGG AND OF COURSE OVER TO MACK.
AND THEN WITH THESE TWO DEVELOPMENTS HERE, IS THAT A REASONABLE QUESTION?
UM, AGAIN, HRSD, AND WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE ALLOCATIONS WITH HRSD, BUT HRSD HAD PROVIDED ALLOCATIONS TO THE DIFFERENT LOCALITIES THAT SIGNED ON TO THIS.
THERE ARE SOME LOCALITIES OR SOME TOWNS THAT SAID, WE DON'T WANT TO CONNECT MM-HMM
SO THEY DON'T GET AN ALLOCATION.
THERE ARE CERTAIN TOWNS LIKE, UM, OBVIOUSLY ONLY A C**K MACK HAS A, HAS AN ALLOCATION.
I DON'T HAVE THOSE FIGURES IN FRONT OF ME.
I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE OF TOWNS IN, UH, IN NORTH HAMPTON THAT ALSO HAVE, UH, ALLOCATIONS.
MACK COUNTY HAS, UM, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ALLOCATION, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO BUDGET THAT OUT TO THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT, UM, THAT, UH, COME BEFORE US.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE CERTAIN PRIORITIES AS WE DISCUSSED, UH, A WHILE BACK, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE ALLOCATIONS.
UM, UH, COMMISSIONER RILEY TAYLOR, YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT, UH, UH, ONE ROAD IN PARTICULAR, JUST NORTHEAST OF ONANCOCK MM-HMM
UH, WE HAD PROVIDED SOME RATIONALES FOR WHY, YOU KNOW, WHY THAT WOULD BE A LOWER PRIORITY, QUITE FRANKLY, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHISPERING PINES, THE COUNTY OWNS THAT.
SO WE HAVE PROVIDED SOME ALLOCATION TO THAT.
AGAIN, WE'RE STILL WORKING TO, UH, TO FINALIZE AND TO FORMALIZE THOSE ALLOCATIONS, BUT DUNCAN MANOR AND COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES WERE FACTORED INTO OUR ALLOCATION, UH, CALCULATIONS, IF YOU WILL.
ONE TIME A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL FOR HOUSING IN THE FARM NEXT TO THE HOSPITAL, AND IT DIDN'T, IT, I GUESS IT FELL THROUGH AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAY POP UP IN THE FUTURE.
IT IS FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE.
THAT'S, THAT'S OUR APPROACH BASICALLY IS FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE.
UM, AND THAT WAS FACTORED INTO THE ALLOCATION.
AND THEN WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE HISTORY OF, I GUESS, THE CORRESPONDENCE
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AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS A REAL THING, WE DECIDED TO REALLOCATE FROM THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT AND REDISTRIBUTE THAT.YOU GONNA DO THAT WITH THESE, SAY AGAIN? ARE YOU GONNA DO THAT WITH THESE WHEN THEY DON'T GET BUILT
THE THING ABOUT THIS IS THAT HE IS PROPOSING TO CONNECT AND, UM, IF THESE DON'T GET BUILT AND THAT THERE IS A ANOTHER PRESSING DEVELOPMENT, UH, I THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT ALLOCATION.
BECAUSE IF WE TAKE THAT AWAY FROM, FROM ONE DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN APPROVED WITH WATER AND SEWER CONNECTIONS, AND THEN WE REALLOCATE THAT, THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO REDESIGN THEIR WATER AND SEWER.
OR I GUESS WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT SEWER HERE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UM, UH, THEIR SEWER TREATMENT PLANS, THE TOWN'S ALREADY AGREED TO GIVE 'EM WATER THEN WE ARE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS.
BUT HE, I GUESS THEY GAVE HIM ORDER FOR THE OTHER ONE.
THEY GAVE HIM ORDER FOR THE OTHER ONE.
IF, IF WE WOULD'VE PERHAPS, UH, FOR CHANCE APPROVED THIS, THEN THAT PUTS US WELL OVER A THOUSAND UNITS THAT WE HAVE APPROVED IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WITH ZERO BILL.
WHAT I, WHAT, WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT IT DOES TAKE TIME TO GET THROUGH A SIGNIFICANT ENGINEERING PLAN LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MULTIPLE AGENCIES THAT HAVE TO REVIEW.
AND NOT TO BE, UH, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE CAN DO OR NEED TO DO TO HONOR, UH, INCENTIVE THE BUILDER TO, TO, ONCE WE APPROVE, TO, TO GET THIS THING BUILT, YOU KNOW, UH, 'CAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE SALARY WITH THIS SHORTAGE OF HOUSES AND, YOU KNOW, HOUSING AND YOU HEAR IT ALL THE TIME, AND WE ARE PROVING AND APPRO AND PROVING, AND WE JUST DON'T SEEM TO GET TO THE FINISH LINE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS TO REVIEW THE LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS, MEANING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SUBDIVISIONS, THIS, ESPECIALLY THE REZONINGS, IF THERE ARE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS INVOLVED, UH, THAT'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE.
AS FAR AS INCENTIVIZING, I'M NOT QUITE, UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW ONE WOULD INCENTIVIZE, UH, DEVELOPER TO MOVE FASTER.
IT'S MY EXPERIENCE THAT DEVELOPERS WANT TO MOVE FASTER THAN GOVERNMENT, LET'S JUST PUT IT THAT WAY.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT REVIEW AGENCIES THAT HAVE TO, THAT HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS, AND THEN WE GIVE THOSE COMMENTS BACK, IT'S THEN CONTINGENT ON THE DEVELOPER OR THE APPLICANT TO REVISE THE PLANS AND GET BACK TO US WITH A SET OF PLANS THAT WE CAN APPROVE.
THAT IS KIND OF A BACK AND FORTH CYCLE.
THAT COULD HAPPEN OVER ONE OR TWO CYCLES, OR IT MAY HAPPEN OVER MULTIPLE CYCLES, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A SIGNIFICANT ONE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING ON, ON REVISING PLANS TO GET BACK TO US.
WE JUST HAVEN'T SEEN THEM YET, BUT I WOULD HESITATE TO USE ANY KIND OF EITHER A STICK OR A CARROT TO, UH, TO, TO SPUR THEM ON A LITTLE BIT FASTER.
I GUESS THE SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO LIMIT THE CONDITIONAL USE USE PERMIT TO ONE YEAR FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T TURN SHOVELS TURN DIRT.
CABIN'S, COVE'S BEEN AROUND FOR 50 YEARS AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T BUILT THAT OUT.
THIS, YOU KNOW, THE VDOT IS GONNA REQUIRE A MILLION DOLLARS TO PUT A TURN LANE IN.
IT'S, IT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PROJECT JUST BEFORE YOU EVEN DO ANYTHING, IT'S LIKE 20 MILLION.
I MEAN, IF THEY THINK THEY CAN MAKE MONEY AT IT, I MEAN, HAVE AT IT.
I I, I DON'T SEE IT EVER HAPPENING.
I MEAN, I, I, I'M, I MEAN, I, I, I LOVE THESE PLANS.
I LOVE THE, THE IDEA OF GROWING THE HOUSING AND GROWING THE EASTERN SHORE.
I DO NOT LIKE THE, THE ONE OVER ONES.
I MEAN, BUT THAT'S NOT, I MEAN, IF HE THINKS THERE'S A MARKET FOR HIM, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE IN LIKE, THE SAME WITH THE OTHER PROJECT.
THEY'RE NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTER AND NATURE OF THE EASTERN SHORE.
UM, BUT THAT'S, HE'S GOTTA SELL 'EM AND HE'S GOTTA MAKE MONEY ON 'EM.
AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A VERY LONG TIME BEFORE ANY DEVELOPER COULD RECRUIT THEIR MONEY BASED ON THE COST TO MOVE DIRT AND TO PUT IN, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S FABULOUS.
I JUST DON'T, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE 50 YEARS
I GUESS I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
IS THE APPLICATION COMPLETE? YES,
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I BELIEVE SO.SO, UM, WILL THEY, HE'S PAID FOR, HE'S GOT A COMPLETE APPLICATION.
HE SUBMITTED ALL OF HIS PLANS.
WILL HE BE COMING BACK WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? WE STILL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BUT HE HAS NOT APPLIED FOR ONE YET.
WELL, I MEAN, HE IS SHOWING DRAWINGS AND STUFF AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IT, HE, HE'S, HE, HE LOOKS LIKE THAT HE'S APPLYING UNDER THE REGULAR RULES THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
LIKE, SO IF YOU RECALL, WHAT WOULD THE RULES BE THERE? THERE ARE TWO.
THERE ARE TWO, UH, THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT, IF YOU WILL.
THERE'S A STANDARD VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT WITH STANDARD BULK REGULATIONS, AND THEN THERE IS ALSO THE TYPE OF VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU CAN COME IN FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND KIND OF VARY THE MULTIPLE DESIGN ELEMENTS LIKE WE DID A COUPLE YEARS AGO IN, UH, 2000, UH, UH, IN 2024 WHEN HE CAME IN FOR COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCE, AS IF YOU RECALL, HE ASKED FOR MULTIPLE WAIVERS FOR THINGS LIKE LOT WIDTH AND UH, AND ACCESSES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
AND THAT WAIVER PROCESS IS ONLY AVAILABLE THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
HE IS NOT APPLYING FOR THAT HERE.
SO BECAUSE HE HAS MORE THAN 24 UNITS IN UNDER THE SUBDIVISION, UH, RULES, DOES HE NOT NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER RIGHT HERE.
CAN WE LOOK NOW? I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU WOULD NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS TYPE OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE, UM, I DON'T THINK I'VE GOT THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UH, LITTLE BIT MORE, CREATING MORE THAN 25 DWELLING UNITS OR SITES NEEDS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
WELL, WE'LL GO BACK TO 'EM AND SHOW HIM THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, NO, I DON'T, I GUESS WE WON'T BE NEEDING A WORK SESSION.
SAY AGAIN? WE WON'T BE NEEDING A WORK SESSION.
I FEEL LIKE WHEN WE HAVE WORK SESSIONS ABOUT ITEMS THAT WE TAKE TO PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE DON'T DO THE PUBLIC JUSTICE BY TALKING ABOUT ITEMS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, GOING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT HAVING ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC.
WELL, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU WHEN, UH, MARCH THEN.
BECAUSE I HAVE TO BE IN RICHMOND THAT DAY, SO I HAVE TO WORK THAT DAY TOO, BUT, ALL RIGHT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UM, DON'T GET MATTER.
SO I, I ASSUME THE PROCESS WOULD BE THEN WHEN WE DISCUSS IT FURTHER, WILL BE, UH, RECOMMENDING REZONING WHEN YOU DISCUSS IT FURTHER, YOU'LL JUST BE, UM, YOU'LL EITHER BE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THE REZONING AND OR CONDITIONAL EASEMENT.
SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO OTHER MATTERS.
PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE ECAC COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE STATE MANDATED RESILIENCY STANDARDS IN THE CHESAPEAKE ATLANTIC PRE PRESERVATION AREA OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WE'VE, UH, BROUGHT TO YOU, UM, MAYBE A COUPLE OF TIMES OVER THE PAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, BUT WE'RE FINALLY READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AS YOU READ IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, UM, UH, THESE ARE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE MANDATED BY STATE LAW, UH, ADDING PROVISIONS FOR RESILIENCY AND PRESERVATION OF MATURE TREES, INCLU AND, AND ALSO, UH, ADDING SOME RESILIENCY STANDARDS TO, UM, TO, UH, UH, ADDRESS SEA LEVEL RISE, STORM SURGE AND FLOODING.
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SO, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DELETING SECTION 1 0 6 2 35 OF THE ORDINANCE AS, UH, AS IT'S WRITTEN NOW.UH, THE DELETED PROVISIONS ARE THOROUGHLY COVERED IN THE REVISED AMENDMENT.
THIS WILL NOT RESULT IN THE LOSS OF ANY, UH, OF ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAND USE AUTHORITY.
WHAT IT DOES DO IS THAT IT MAKES REQUIREMENTS FOR ENCROACHMENTS INTO THE RPA.
UM, MORE STRINGENT WATER QUALITY IMPACT ASSESSMENTS ARE STILL REQUIRED FOR ENCROACHMENTS INTO THE RPA AS THEY ARE REQUIRED NOW.
AND THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS IS STILL, UH, PROPOSED TO HEAR EXCEPTIONS REQUESTS FROM ANY OF THESE, UH, ANY OF THE STANDARDS.
SO AGAIN, WE'VE GOT STANDARDS IN THE CURRENT 1 0 6, 2 35 AS 1 0 6, 2 35 RESOURCE QUALITY PROTECTION PLAN GOES AWAY.
THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT WILL, UH, WILL REPLACE THAT.
WE TALK ABOUT THE, UM, THE, THE TWO KEY DEFINITIONS TO HIGHLIGHT THE DEFINITIONS BETWEEN RESOURCE PROTECTION, AREA OF RESOURCE MANAGEMENT AREA.
YOU ALL READ THAT IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, SO I WON'T READ THAT INTO THE RECORD.
SO, NEW REQUIREMENTS, SEA LEVEL RISE IS NOW A CONSIDERATION.
THEREFORE, RESILIENCY ASSESSMENTS FOR RPA ENCROACHMENTS ARE NOW REQUIRED.
EXEMPTIONS, THERE ARE NOW EXEMPTIONS FOR SILVA SILVICULTURE WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY OVERSIGHT AND PENALTIES ARE NOW MORE SPECIFICALLY LISTED.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I CAN FIELD ANY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS? ON MARCH 11TH, I MAKE A MOTION.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON, UM, THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
AND SECOND TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
NOT, UH, WE'LL GET THAT NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER.
UM, SINCE THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, THERE ARE NO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER NOTICES.
ALRIGHT, YOU MOVE ON THE STAFF REPORT.
SO, UH, THE FIRST FOR THE SUBDIVISION AGENT, THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT SUBDIVISIONS, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, APPLIED FOR UNDER REVIEW.
STAFF CONTINUES TO PROCESS ROUTINE SMALLER LOT SPLIT LOT SPLITS IN LOT LINE ADJUSTMENTS, INDICATIONS, UM, FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR REPORT, YOU, YOU SEE THE, UH, THE, UH, CUSTOMARY CHARTS INDICATING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, THAT WERE HELD EARLIER IN THE MONTH, AND PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE SCHEDULED FOR NEXT MONTH.
ONE THING THAT, UM, THAT I'D LIKE TO MENTION ABOUT THESE TWO CHARTS IS THAT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST CHART, THERE ARE THREE CASES THAT WERE DEFERRED.
TWO SPECIAL USE PER TWO COMBINATION, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT VARIANCE CASES BY NORMAN PITT.
AND THEN THE BIG CASE OF THE DAY, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE CASE OF THE DAY, IS AN APPEAL OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DETERMINATION REGARDING SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO A HOUSE IN THE FLOODPLAIN THAT THEY PERFORMED.
UH, THEY PERFORMED WORK ON THIS HOUSE BUT DID NOT GET PERMITS.
AND BECAUSE IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY SPENT ON THE HOUSE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO ELEVATE THE HOUSE.
SO THEY WERE APPEALING THE, UH, THEY WERE APPEALING THAT DETERMINATION THAT, UH, THAT I MADE WITH, UH, UM, WITH A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE STAFF.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO, AT THIS TIME, THANK PAUL WATSON, TOM BROCKEN BRO, AND A BUILDING OFFICIAL, UH, JACOB YEAGER FOR THEIR INPUT ON THAT APPEAL.
BUT AS IT, AS IT AS IT IS, WE WILL BE HEARING THAT IN MARCH INSTEAD OF, UH, HAVING HEARD IT LAST, UH, IN, UH, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
SO THAT WILL BUMP UP THE MARCH CASELOAD FROM, FROM FIVE CASES TO EIGHT.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A LONG MORNING FOR THE BZA AND THE STAFF.
I'M GONNA PAUSE THERE AND ASK IF ANYONE'S GOT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THIS MATERIAL.
WE'VE GOT A FEW THINGS TO, UH, TO REPORT UNDER ITEM C.
SO FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, I'D
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LIKE TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE HIRED AN ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER.HIS NAME IS TED DOF, AND HIS FIRST DAY WAS MONDAY, JANUARY, UH, MONDAY, JANUARY 26TH.
WE GAVE YOU HIS BIO IN THE, UM, UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT.
WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER BACK ON STAFF.
IT HAS BEEN, UH, ACTUALLY IT WAS ALMOST EXACTLY A YEAR THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE.
THE PREVIOUS ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER RESIGNED IN, UH, JANUARY.
I BELIEVE IT WAS JANUARY 30TH OR 31ST.
AND OF COURSE, TED STARTED ON THE 26TH.
SO, UH, FILLING A VERY IMPORTANT, UM, UH, VERY IMPORTANT, UH, UH, FUNCTION THERE.
THAT BRINGS THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, PROGRAMS DIVISION TO HALF STRENGTH FROM, UH, UH, TWO OUT OF FOUR.
SO THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOUR STAFF MEMBERS IN THERE.
WE STILL HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERMIT SPECIALIST AND AN ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, PROGRAMS DEPUTY DIRECTOR, UH, UH, VACANT.
WE'VE ALSO, UM, UNDER THE RECRUITMENT REALM, HELD INTERVIEWS FOR A BUILDING INSPECTOR OR THE OFFICIAL TERMS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER BUILDING.
WE'VE FINISHED THAT ROUND OF RECRUITMENT.
UH, WE DID EXTEND AN OFFER TO, UH, TO THE, UH, THE PREFERRED CANDIDATE AND HE'S ACCEPTED.
AND, UM, AND, UH, WE WILL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION, UH, AS TO WHO THAT INDIVIDUAL IS NEXT MONTH.
THIS DOES FULLY STAFF UP THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS TEAM AND THE CODE ADMINISTRATION DIVISION, SO WE'RE VERY PLEASED ABOUT THAT.
UM, THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE FOR THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IS, IS TO COVER MACK COUNTY.
UH, AT LEAST OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, THEY'VE BEEN HOLDING IT TOGETHER WITH TWO INSPECTORS.
OF COURSE, WE HIRED JOHN HOGAN, UM, EARLIER IN NOVEMBER, WHICH BROUGHT 'EM TO THREE, AND NOW WE'VE GOT FOUR.
SO THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW, UH, UH, ALLOW A BETTER DIVISION OF LABOR WHEN IT COMES TO THE INSPECTIONS ON A DAILY BASIS.
AS FAR AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE DID PROVIDE YOU WITH A SEPARATE BRIEFING, UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT, UH, UH, WE'LL ACTUALLY BE BRIEFING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON THIS NEXT ITEM NEXT WEEK.
SO THE STAFF HAS RECEIVED THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE PLANS FOR OUR, UH, FOR THE FORMER LIBRARY BUILDING WHERE COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WILL BE, UH, UH, WILL BE LOCATED.
IF I COULD JUST GO OFF OF MEMORY FROM WHAT I WROTE FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, WE DO ANTICIPATE A, AN APRIL START, A SEVEN, A SEVEN MONTH CONSTRUCTION WINDOW TO END SOMETIME IN DECEMBER.
OF COURSE, AS CONSTRUCTION GOES, SCHEDULES CHANGE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ANTICIPATED, UM, THAT'S THE ANTICIPATED, UH, UH, PACE OF PROGRESS THERE.
THAT CONCLUDES WELL, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND PAUSE THERE AND SEE IF ANYONE'S GOT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RECRUITMENT ITEMS, UH, OR THE LIBRARY UPDATE.
ANY QUESTIONS? WHAT IS, SORRY, I THOUGHT I SAW SOME WORK STARTED ON THE LIBRARY ALREADY.
SO WE'VE DONE SOME EXTERIOR, UH, EXTERIOR WORK.
UM, NEW ROOF, TOOK ALL, TOOK A COUPLE OF DORMERS OFF, UH, SOME WINDOWS WERE REPLACED.
THE INTERIOR WAS COMPLETELY GUTTED.
THAT WAS DONE TO GET THE, UM, TO GET THE, UH, ARCHITECTS A BETTER LOOK AT THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND TO GET, UH, AND TO GET, UM, UH, UH, AND, AND, AND REALLY TO JUST STABILIZE THE BUILDING.
'CAUSE THE ROOF WAS IN BAD CONDITION.
THE DORMERS WERE, WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, MADE THE ROOF VULNERABLE TO LEAKS.
SO, UH, THAT KIND OF STUFF, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY DIDN'T NEED A WHOLE LOT OF DESIGN, BUT THE, BUT THE INTERIOR WORK NEEDED TO BE HEAVILY, UH, HEAVILY DESIGNED.
AND WE ARE AT THE 100% PLAN STAGE NOW.
UM, WE GOT THOSE PLANS LAST WEEK, AND PUBLIC WORKS HAS ASKED THE END USER, MEANING THE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF TO MAKE ITS COMMENTS BY FEBRUARY 20TH, WHICH IS NEXT FRIDAY.
UH, THE ONE COMMENT THAT WE HAVE SO FAR, AND OF COURSE WE HAD A POWER FLICKER HERE IN THE, IN MACK, UH, YESTERDAY, OR IT WAS A COUPLE DAYS AGO.
AND, UM, UH, ONE QUESTION WAS, WILL THE, WILL THE BUILDING BE OUTFITTED WITH A GENERATOR? AND THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT, UH, UH, WE'LL SHOW YOU A, UH, WE'LL SHOW YOU A FLOOR PLAN
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NEXT MONTH, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, OF WHAT THE DESIGNERS HAVE COME UP WITH.WE DO ANTICIPATE HOLDING OUR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD MEETINGS, LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD OF ZONING, APPEALS WETLANDS BOARD IN THE, IN THE NEW, UH, IN THE NEW BUILDING.
DID YOU ASK MR. DOVE THAT SAW IN HIS BIO THAT HE ENJOYS INDOOR BOULDERING? I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
THEY'VE GOT ROCK CLIMBING, UH, YOU KNOW, INDOOR ROCK CLIMBING GYMS. IS THAT WHAT IS OH, OKAY.
YEAH, IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE ARE FINALLY, UM, ON A, ON A, UH, ON A PATH TO GETTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN KICKED OFF.
I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT THE, UH, THE, THE, THE STAFF REPORT THAT, UH, YOU ALL HAVE READ, BUT, UM, BASICALLY WHERE WE ARE NOW WITH THE PROCESS IS WE ARE SENDING THE CONTRACT TO THEM PROBABLY TOMORROW, AND THEY ALREADY HAVE A TASK ORDER READY TO GET STARTED.
LAST MONTH I TALKED TO THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ABOUT PLANNING, COMMISSION INVOLVEMENT, AND AT LEAST GETTING AN INITIAL REPRESENTATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION THROUGH THEM.
AND, UM, AND THAT WE HAVE NOT YET SCHEDULED THAT MEETING, BUT IT WILL NOT BE ON A DAY THAT YOU HAVE TO START YOUR NEW JOB.
OH, WELL, THEY, THEY POSTPONED THAT.
THE CONTRACT GOT POSTPONED, SO, OKAY.
SO, UM, UH, AND, AND, AND ALL OF THIS, UH, YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE, UH, THAT WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON IS THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ASPECT THAT I THINK I TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT THAT LAST WEEK.
BUT THERE IS GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ASPECT OF THIS, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN HOW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVISIONS HAVE GONE HERE IN THE PAST.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS REVISING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO THAT IT IS THE, IT IS A MORE APPROACHABLE DOCUMENT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN, THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN NOW, IT'S WRITTEN IN, UH, IT'S WRITTEN BY PLANNERS FOR PLANNERS, AND IT'S NOT A VERY APPROACHABLE, READABLE, UNDERSTANDABLE DOCUMENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA CHANGE.
UH, THE BERKELEY GROUP, I BELIEVE WILL BE THE BEST, UH, WILL BE THE, UH, UH, THE BEST OF VENDOR TO DO THAT AS THEY HAVE A LOT OF, UH, VIRGINIA EXPERIENCE AND THEY'VE DONE THIS KIND OF WORK BEFORE.
THAT CONCLUDES MY, UH, UH, STAFF REPORT FOR, FOR THAT, AND CAN FIELD ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MAD CHAIR? I DO HAVE, DOES THE BERKELEY GROUP DO THE LAST ONE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY? NOT FOR ACRO MAP, NO.
THE LAST ONE WAS DONE SOMETIME IN 2018, AND THAT WAS STAFF DRIVEN.
UH, THE, THE COMP PLAN REVISION WAS ABOUT SPECIFIC CHAPTERS IN THE, IN THE COMP PLAN AS IT WAS FORMATTED.
THEN WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, UH, IS CONSIDERING AN ENTIRE REWRITE.
THEY MAY HAVE DONE THE HOUSING STUDY.
I THINK THEY WERE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING WITH, UH, I KNOW THAT THEY'VE DONE SOME WORK IN, UH, IN O C**K.
I KNOW THAT THEY'RE WORKING IN, UH, CAPE CHARLES NOW.
SO THEY'VE DONE WORK ON THE EASTERN SHORE BEFORE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
SO OUR NEXT MEETING IS MARCH 11TH.
UM, IF NOBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE CAN GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE ORDINANCE THAT WE WERE CHECKING FOR? REMOVAL OF DEARLY STRUCTURES SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT NORTHAMPTON HAS? I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, WHERE THE STAFF IS WITH IT IS THAT WE DID PULL THAT NORTHAMPTON, UH, THAT NORTHAMPTON ORDINANCE.
AND I THINK IT IF WE COULD TALK OFFLINE ABOUT THAT.
UH, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME, WE'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM.
I THINK WE HAVE THOSE WRITTEN DOWN, UH, UH, IN THE OFFICE SOMEWHERE.
BUT IF YOU'VE GOT SOME TIME TO COME IN, MAYBE LIKE OKAY, DURING THE DAY, THAT'S FINE, THEN, THEN WE'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND TALK WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
BUT WE DID PULL THE ORDINANCE AND WE LOOKED AT IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
I MOTION SECOND AND A SECOND TO ADJOURN.