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WITH MR.[Planning Commission Regular Meeting on April 8, 2026.]
UH, MR. GALE, MR. ROGERS AND MS. TAYLOR.ABSENT WE CAN MOVE TO THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR SUBTRACTIONS TO THE AGENDA? MAKE A MOTION.
WE ADOPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
I SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN.
WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE MINUTES OF WEDNESDAY, MARCH 11TH.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS? I MAKE A MOTION.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD.
WE CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND HAVE, UM, TANKERED, I, I, JUST TO CLARIFY LAST TIME I FELT LIKE I SHOULD HAVE COMMENTED AND THEN I DIDN'T, AND THEN IT SEEMED LIKE I WAS OUT OF ORDER WHEN I TRIED TO EXPLAIN THE MAP.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT OH, YES, MA'AM.
PROCEDURE IS, SO THIS IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT WHEN WE HAVE
UH, YOU WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO, UH, TALK.
AND I WILL CALL ANY YOU UP HERE IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
WELL, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY UNLESS THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT OUR PROPOSAL.
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO THERE'S NO OLD BUSINESS.
UH, RECEIVE A BRIEFING ON TAX MAP 1 0 8 DASH A DASH 12 AGRICULTURAL, AND FOR DISTRICT C, AUTHOR BROTHER RUDDER.
SO, UH, BELIEVE HAMID DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THESE NEXT TWO NEW BUSINESS ITEMS ARE, UM, UH, THESE ARE GOING TO BE, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS IF YOU APPROVE PUBLIC HEARINGS NEXT MONTH.
THESE ARE FOR THE AG ENFORCEABLE DISTRICT.
AND WE HAVE, UM, MR. GIN JONES CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ON THE ZONING SIDE FOR THESE TWO WHO HAS BEEN DESIGNATED THE A FD UM, UH, STAFF MEMBER.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A LEAD IN TO HIS, UH, TO HIS PRESENTATIONS.
BUT YOU'VE PROBABLY NOTICED THAT WE'RE BRINGING MORE A FD CASES TO YOU, UH, AS THE STAFF IS REVIEWING PERMITS, SUBDIVISION PLATS, UH, THEY'RE DOING A MUCH BETTER JOB NOW, UM, THAN, THAN THAN PREVIOUSLY OF LOOKING AT THESE AND CHECKING THE A FD LAYER SO THAT THESE ARE BEING IDENTIFIED.
THE, UM, THE REASON WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE THE A FD ORDINANCE PASSED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ACTUALLY HAS RESTRICTIONS ON DEVELOPMENT.
SO IF THERE IS AN INADVERTENT, UH, APPROVAL OF, UH, OF A PERMIT WHERE THERE'S A FD ON THERE, THEN WE MAY HAVE TO GO BACK AT SOME POINT AND REDO OR, AND, AND TO GO THROUGH THAT MOTION.
BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, INTRODUCE SYNGEN.
YOU ALL HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A BRIEFING FROM ME LAST MONTH, AND WE HAVE THOSE SLIDES ON WHAT A FD IS, WHAT IT INTENDS TO DO, WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR, UM, FOR REMOVAL FROM THE A FD AS REFERENCE AT THE END OF THE SLIDE DECK.
BUT, UH, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO, UH, JI FOR HIS PRESENTATIONS.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTION QUESTIONS FOR ME? NO QUESTIONS.
UH, LEE ALREADY INTRODUCED ME, BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, MY NAME'S JI JONES.
I'M A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR ZONING.
I DO BZA, BUT I ALSO DO AFDS, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
UH, SO THIS IS FOR, UH, MR. RUDDER, UH, A LITTLE BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
HE IS THE, UH, APPLICANT AND OWNER.
UH, THE LOCATION IS A TAX MAP NUMBER, UH, 1 0 8 DASH A DASH 12 ELECTION DISTRICT NINE.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 127 ACRES ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND IS IN THE CVILLE AG AND FORESTAL DISTRICT.
UM, THIS IS THE SITE 127 ACRES, AND THAT'S ITS DESIGNATION IN A, UH, A FD.
UM, ALSO, THIS IS ALL ZONED AGRICULTURAL.
SO WE'RE DEALING WITH AGRICULTURALLY ZONE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THIS IS THE REASON THAT WE ARE,
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UH, THE REASON THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING REMOVAL FROM THE DISTRICT.UM, HE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ADJUST PROPERTY LINES IN ORDER TO GET THIS HOUSE PUT ON THIS LOT THE WAY IT SITS RIGHT NOW, IN ORDER TO MEET THE ZONING ORDINANCE, HE HAS TO MOVE THE LINE APPROXIMATELY, APPROXIMATELY 40 FEET ISH IN ORDER TO GET THE SETBACKS FOR THIS HOUSE.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, OR, UH, MR. PAM HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MEETING.
UH, BUT JUST QUICKLY, THERE IS A PROCESS OF WITHDRAWAL FROM A DISTRICT, UM, STARTS WITH THE A FD COMMITTEE, UH, COMES TO YOU GUYS IN PLANNING COMMISSION AND ENDS WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAKING THE FINAL DECISION.
AND THEN THIS IS THE REASON THAT THIS CASE HAS COME TO YOU.
UH, SUBDIVISION OF PARCEL, AND I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND READ IT.
UH, LANDLINE WITHIN A DISTRICT SHALL NOT BE SUBDIVIDED DURING THE PERIOD THAT SUCH DISTRICT EXISTS, EXCEPT THAT WITH THE PRIOR APPROVAL OF THE BOARD, LOTS ME, THE CRITERIA OF VIRGINIA CODE 15.2 DASH 2244 AND AKIMA COUNTY CODE SECTION 78 DASH 12 MAY BE SUBDIVIDED FOR USE BY AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER, UH, OR THE OWNER OF SUCH LAND.
FURTHER LAND MAY BE DIVIDED OR SUBDIVIDED AND SOLD FOR CONTINUED AGRICULTURAL ENFORCEABLE USE, SO LONG AS IT CONTINUES TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS ORDINANCE AND THE DISTRICT.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST REAL QUICK.
THAT'S JUST WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT ONE.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? IS THIS A NEW HOME OR THAT'S WHAT IT, THAT'S WHAT HE HAS IN MIND.
UM, JUST AS BACKGROUND, I DO HAVE, UH, MR. GOVERNATOR, HE'S, UH, HANDLING THIS CASE AS IT GOES THROUGH FOR MR. RUDDER.
UM, BUT TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IT IS A, UH, A DWELLING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL 127 ACRES OUT, JUST NOT THAT PIECE? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO AT THE END OF THIS, BOTH PARTS, WELL, THAT PARCEL WOULD BE TAKEN OUT.
AND THEN CAN HE PUT A PART PARCEL OR PIECE BACK INTO THE A FD SINCE WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH AN ACTUAL, SINCE WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH AN ACTUAL SUBDIVISION, WE'RE MOVING A LOT LINE.
ONCE HE'S TAKEN OUT, THERE'S REALLY NO PROCESS TO BE PUT BACK IN.
AND I GUESS THAT, THAT KIND OF LEADS US INTO WHY AFDS EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UM, OF COURSE, THE, THE ONE OF THE REASONS IS WE WERE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, PRESERVE THE AGRICULTURAL LAND IN AKIMA COUNTY.
UM, THE WAY THAT WE DID THAT WAS IMPOSE REGULATIONS WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY GIVING SOMETHING CALLED LAND USE TAXATION.
UM, AROUND OH 7 0 8 0 9, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ACTUALLY WENT TO COUNTYWIDE LAND USE.
SO A LOT OF, NOT ALL OF THE INCENTIVES.
THERE ARE A FEW SITUATIONS WHERE THERE IS AN INCENTIVE TO STAY AT, BUT MOST OF THE INCENTIVES WENT AWAY WHEN THE COUNTY WENT TO COUNTYWIDE LAND USE.
UM, SO WHAT YOU'RE LEFT WITH IS AFDS WITH THE REGULATIONS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY WITH THE BENEFITS.
DO YOU NEED A MOTION FOR, YEAH.
FOR, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 13TH? I MAKE A MOTION.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE RUDDER PROPERTY ON MAY 13TH.
I SECOND A MOTION A SECOND FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 13TH.
ALRIGHT, SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE, WHICH IS, UH, MAP 11 A DASH 29 A AND 11 A DASH 30 B.
IS IT SHAUN TAYLOR ON BEHALF OF BARBARA HATFIELD? YES.
UM, JUST SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
THE APPLICANT IS A SEAN TAYLOR.
SEAN TAYLOR WORKS FOR GEORGE YOUNG SURVEYORS.
UM, UH, OWNER IS BARBARA HATFIELD.
AGAIN, TAX MAPS 11 A 29 A AND 11 A 30 B ELECTION DISTRICT THREE, UH, APPROXIMATELY 26 ACRES ZONED AGRICULTURAL.
AND THIS IS PART OF THE NEW CHURCH AG AND FORESTAL DISTRICT.
AND, UH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
YOU HAVE 29 A AND 30 B, AND IT IS LOCATED IN THE AGATE FORESTAL DISTRICT.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHY THEY ARE REQUESTING REMOVAL FROM THE DISTRICT.
UM, AGAIN, WITHDRAWAL PARCEL AS I TALKED ABOUT ON THE LAST ONE, AND SUBDIVISION OF THE PARCEL, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST CASE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR
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THAT.ANY QUESTIONS? YOU SAID SAME SITUATION, SAME, SAME SITUATION IN THE SENSE THAT THEY FALL UNDER THAT SECTION.
THEY BOTH FUND FALL UNDER SECTION 11.
AND, UM, FOR, FOR MS. HATFIELD, I BELIEVE HER INTENT BECAUSE SHE DOES SHOW, UM, PROPOSED WELL IN SEPTIC AREA.
THE INTENT IS EVENTUALLY TO PUT A HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THEY ALSO SHOW A WELL OVER THERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I BELIEVE THIS IS LOCATED NEAR WOODHAMS, SO IT'S KIND OF IN THAT AREA OF WHERE ALL THE SOLAR LEASES ARE ON THE NORTHWESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT AT LEAST A MILE, MORE THAN LIKELY TWO OR THREE MILES FROM 13.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ALLOW THE HATFIELD PROPERTY TO BE UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 13TH.
I SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR MAY 13TH.
OKAY, SO WE GOT A BRIEFING ON, ON COMPANION REZONING, PROFFER AMENDMENTS AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR MARINER FARM ON TAX MAP.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, LEE HANDED, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS YOU HAD JUST INTRODUCED THE CASE, UH, THESE ARE, UH, TWO CASES BEING BROUGHT FORTH TOGETHER, A REZONING AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
YOU MAY KNOW THE SITE PREVIOUSLY AS MARINER HASTINGS.
THEY'RE ALTERING THE NAME JUST A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S JUST, UM, THAT'S MORE COSMETIC THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
HAS NO BEARING ON THE ACTUAL CASE ITSELF.
FOR BOTH OF THESE, THE APPLICANT IS AN LLCR TWO J-S-L-L-C.
RAJESH VORA IS THE ONE WHO SIGNED THE APPLICATION, AND TIM HEARN IS THE ONE WHO HAS, UM, WHO HAS, UH, UH, DONE MOST OF THE INTERACTIONS WITH STAFF IN ADVANCE OF THESE, UH, REPORTS HIM THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, THE LLC REPRESENTED BY RAJEHO.
THE LOCATION IS ON STATE LINE ROAD JUST CLOSE TO, UH, GREENBACK V UH, IT'S PAST, IT'S BY THE SECOND ENTRANCE.
SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, CAPTAIN'S CORRIDOR MAKES THIS BIG LOOP STARTING ON, UM, STATE LINE ROAD COMING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN COMING BACK OUT ONTO STATE LINE ROAD, MAINTAINING ITS NAME IS CAPTAIN'S CORRIDOR.
IT IN DISTRICTS TO SUPERVISOR THE GEORGES, WHO IS ALSO A CAPTAIN'S CORRIDOR RESIDENT.
AND THE CHAIR OF ANGIE WINFIELD IS THE, IS THE, UH, COMMISSIONER.
THE SITE AREA ACREAGE IS JUST OVER 24 ACRES.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT WITH PROFFERS.
AS YOU RECALL, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE ON THE COMMISSION BACK IN 21, 22, UH, THOSE PROFFERS RUN WITH THE LAND.
THE FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION IS AGRICULTURE.
AND AGAIN, THE REQUEST, THESE ARE TWO APPLICATIONS BEING BROUGHT FORTH TOGETHER.
NUMBER ONE, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A REVISED LAYOUT, WHICH I WILL SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE.
UH, THEY ARE MAINTAINING THE 140 TOWNHOUSE, UH, UNITS, WHICH WAS, UH, SHOWN BEFORE WITH THE ORIGINAL APPLICATIONS IN 2122.
UH, THEY ARE MAINTAINING, UH, A MIXED USE PORTION WITH A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
UM, ONE OF THE PROFFERS INDICATED AN EMS STATION ON FLEMING ROAD, AND THEY WANT TO DO THAT ON STATE LINE ROAD NOW.
SO THAT IS, UH, THAT IS, UH, PART OF THE NEW LAYOUT.
THEY'RE ALSO REQUESTING SIX WAIVERS AS ENABLED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE IN REVIEWING THESE WAIVERS AND, UM, AND TAKING THEM UNDER CONSIDERATION.
THE SECOND PART OF THIS REQUEST, UH, AGAIN, ARE THE PROFFER AMENDMENTS.
AND IF YOU AMEND PROFFERS, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS, WHICH THEY UNDERSTAND.
IT IS A, UH, RESOURCE MANAGEMENT AREA IN THE, UH, CHE BAY THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL, THAT DOESN'T POSE ANY SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, CONSTRAINTS FOR THE SITE.
THE ADJACENT ZONING IS RESIDENTIAL.
SO WHEN WE GET TO THE ZONING MAP, YOU'LL SEE WHERE THIS, UH, WHERE THIS SITE IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER CAPTAIN'S COVE PROPERTY, WHICH IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF STATE LINE ROAD.
THE PROPERTY, UH, IN THE, IN THE STATE OF MARYLAND AND WORCESTER COUNTY IS ACTUALLY ZONED A ONE.
ADJACENT USES INCLUDE VACANT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL
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LOTS, LOTS THAT HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ON THEM.THERE'S SOME AGRICULTURAL ACROSS THE STREET AND WITHIN THE, UM, WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, UH, ON A, ON AN ADJACENT PIECE OF PROPERTY, THERE IS AN HOA CLUBHOUSE AND STRUCTURE.
UP FRONT, WE ARE REQUESTING A WORK SESSION ON TUESDAY, APRIL 28TH.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING 6:00 PM UM, BECAUSE WHEN WE GET FURTHER INTO THE PRESENTATION, I'LL BE REQUESTING A WORK SESSION AS I HAD PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED LAST MONTH OR A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO FOR THE DUNCAN MANNER.
SO WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF, UM, PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL, UH, APPLICATIONS TO DISCUSS THE REZONING, THE PROFFER AMENDMENTS, THEY WANT TO, UH, REFLECT CERTAIN CHANGES, BUT ALSO THEY'VE, THEY'VE FULFILLED SOME OF THE PROFFERS OF THE EXISTING REZONING.
SO AS THEY GO AND AMEND THE PROFFERS, THEY WANT TO TAKE THOSE, UH, THEY WANT TO REMOVE THOSE PROFFERS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A REVISED LAYOUT IN THE SIX WAIVERS REQUESTED.
NEXT FEW BULLET POINTS ARE HISTORICAL IN NATURE.
THESE ARE THE REZONING CASES AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CASE.
IF WE NEED TO REFER TO THOSE, WE HAVE THOSE LINKS FOR THE, UH, UH, FOR THE BOARD DOCS.
UM, AGENDA, IF YOU RECALL, BACK IN 2024, THEY EXTENDED THE, UM, THEY REQUESTED, UH, AN EXTENSION OF THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BY TWO YEARS.
SO THEY DID THAT BACK IN, UH, MAY OF, UH, 24.
THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WILL EXPIRE NEXT MONTH.
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THAT EXPIRES NEXT MONTH, THERE WILL BE A, THEY WILL NO LONGER HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND SHOULD THEY ACHI, SHOULD THEY GET ANOTHER CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, THAT WILL BE A BRAND NEW PERMIT.
THE ACTUAL PROFFERS THAT WERE SUBMITTED AND THE WAIVER REQUESTS ARE STILL UNDER REVIEW BY THE PLANNING STAFF AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OR LEGAL.
ISN'T THIS THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAD, THAT HUGE PUBLIC MEETING WHERE HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS SHOWED UP AND OBJECTED TO THIS? IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS YES.
UM, A VERY WELL ATTENDED PUBLIC HEARING.
ABOUT 600, I BELIEVE THEY P PRESENTED A PETITION OF ABOUT 600 RESIDENTS IN, IN OPPOSITION TO THIS, AND THEN IT WENT THROUGH A COURT BATTLE.
THE OWNER ULTIMATELY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WON THE COURT BATTLE.
UH, BUT, UH, AND SO NOW THEY'RE COMING BACK AGAIN.
AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE JUDGE RULED IN FAVOR OF THE, OF THE PLAINTIFF IN THAT WHERE HE IS ABLE TO ACCESS HIS PIECE OF PROPERTY ALONG CAPTAIN'S CORRIDOR.
THE OTHER THING I READ IN THE PACKET WAS THAT THEY CHANGED IT FROM REYNOLDS TO FOR SALE.
THAT WAS THE MAJOR OBJECTION BACK THEN.
IT WAS THE MAJOR OBJECTION AND YES.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS ALSO THEY'VE KIND OF, NOW THEY'RE GOING TO SELL THESE TO HOW TOWN, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS AS OPPOSED TO RENT THEM.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT THEY TALKED TO THE RESIDENTS AND TRIED TO MAKE THINGS BETTER
SO, UH, THIS IS OUR WAIVER REQUEST MATRIX.
AND AGAIN, THEY ARE REQUESTING SIX WAIVERS, FIRST AND FOREMOST, OR, OR FIRST OF ALL, THE AREA AND AREA AND DENSITY REGULATIONS, UH, IN THIS CASE REQUIRE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET, WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR 2000 SQUARE FEET.
THEIR TYPICAL INTERIOR LOT IS 20 BY 100.
UM, AND OF COURSE, A 20 FOOT WIDE, UH, TOWNHOUSE, WHEN YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL UNITS IN A ROW, THOSE LOTS ARE GOING TO BE 20 FEET WIDE OR, OR GREATER.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MINIMUM HERE WITH REGARDS TO FRONTAGE, A 150 FOOT LOT, UM, 150 FEET IS, IS REQUIRED.
AND THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS 20 FOR THAT SAME REASON.
FRONT YARD SETBACK, THEY WOULD LIKE TO REDUCE FROM 50 TO 20.
UM, AND, UH, THE, THE, THE FIRST THING THAT WE LOOK AT IS WHETHER OR NOT FROM A COMMON SENSE STANDPOINT AND FROM A DIMENSIONAL STANDPOINT, WILL LONGER VEHICLES BE ABLE
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TO FIT ON IN A 20 FOOT, UH, DRIVEWAY WITHOUT EXTENDING OVER ANY KIND OF SIDEWALK, WALKWAY, PROPERTY LINE, WHAT HAVE YOU.SIDE YARD SETBACKS, THEY WANT TO REDUCE FROM 15 TO ZERO.
THE ORDINANCE SAYS 15 FOOT SIDE YARD IS REQUIRED FOR MAIN STRUCTURES.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE REQUIRING, UH, AND THAT AN END UNIT HAVE A 15 FOOT SIDE YARD BETWEEN THE SIDE OF THE, UH, UH, UNIT AND THAT PROPERTY LINE, WHICH, IF YOU HAVE TWO OF THOSE UNITS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 30 FEET IN BETWEEN.
BUT WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO IS TO CLARIFY THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING ZERO FOR INTERIOR TOWNHOUSE UNITS PER THE COUNTY'S DEFINITION OF TOWNHOUSE.
AND THAT THAT MINIMUM OF 30 FEET BETWEEN BUILDINGS IS STILL PROPOSED.
WE'RE ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER A MINIMUM 10 FOOT STRIP OF COMMON AREA BETWEEN SIDE LOT LINES, ALTHOUGH THERE IS NO ACTUAL REQUIREMENT FOR THAT.
SAME THING FOR THE REAR YARD SETBACK.
THEY REQUESTED ZERO WHEN 35 IS, UH, IS REQUIRED.
AND, UM, A A ZERO A ZERO FOOT OR, OR NO REQUIRED REAR YARD SETBACK IN, IN, IN MY OPINION, WOULD IMPLY THAT COMMON AREA WOULD COME RIGHT UP TO THE BACK OF THE UNIT.
AND I POINTED THAT OUT TO THEM THIS MORNING.
AND THEY WILL REVISE THEIR, UM, THEY WILL REVISE THEIR REQUEST FOR A WAIVER.
THEY'RE MORE THAN LIKELY GONNA STRIKE THAT REQUEST BECAUSE, UH, AS I HAD POINTED OUT TO THEM THAT DOESN'T, THAT THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
AND THEY, THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT WAS AN ERROR IN THEIR APPLICATION.
LIKEWISE, WE ARE ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER A MINIMUM 10 FOOT STRIP OF COMMON AREA BETWEEN ADJACENT REAR LOT LINES.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THOSE TWO PROPERTIES RIGHT UP AGAINST EACH OTHER, A 10 FOOT, UH, UM, 10 FOOT COMMON AREA IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING 'EM TO CONSIDER.
IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT IF THEY DECIDE TO, UH, IF THEY DECIDE TO PUT THOSE LOT LINES UP NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU HERE ON THE, ON THE CONCEPTUAL WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, IT IS NOT REQUIRED THAT THEY SEPARATE THOSE.
FINALLY, THEY'RE, UH, THEY ARE REQUESTING A WAIVER FROM THE TWO ACCESS POINTS TO A PUBLIC NETWORK FOR ROADS EXCEEDING 250 VEHICLES PER DAY.
UM, THE, THE, UH, THE CURRENT CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWS THREE ACCESS POINTS.
HOWEVER, TWO OF THEM ARE ON CAPTAIN'S CORRIDOR, WHICH IS A PRIVATE ROAD GOING INTO THE EXHIBITS.
THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL THAT THEY SUBMITTED, AND WE'VE GOT A BLACK LINE OF THIS AS WELL.
UM, ONE OF THE MAIN CHANGES, WELL, I WILL GO, UM, I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT CHANGES IN A MINUTE, BUT, UH, WHEN YOU SEE THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED PLAN, I CONSIDER THIS PLAN BETTER THAN WHAT WAS SUBMITTED IN 21 AND 22 FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
ISN'T, UH, THE VISUAL APPEAL, WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL SETBACK FROM THE ROAD THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING A WAITING? I HAVE THE ORIGINAL, UH, CONCEPT PLAN, UH, TWO SLIDES AFTER THIS.
SO I CAN, I CAN, UM, ILLUSTRATE THAT FOR YOU CAN SEE WHAT, WHAT WAS, UH, APPROVED CONCEPTUALLY WITH THE, OKAY.
IT WAS 20 FOOT FROM THE ROAD IS, I THINK THAT WAS IT, 20 FOOT WAS, IT WAS ALSO WITH SIDEWALK.
THE SIDEWALKS WERE IN THE 20 FOOT, BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, YOU CAN'T EVEN PARK A SUBURBAN THERE.
THIS IS A BLACK LINE, UM, UH, CONCEPTUAL.
AND, UM, THIS IS A CROSS SECTION UP HERE.
TEASE, CAN WE ZOOM IN ON THAT? THE, UH, THE, UM, UH, CROSS SECTION IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER.
UH, TWO 10 FOOT TRAVEL LANES, ONE IN EACH DIRECTION WITH, UM, UH, WITH GRASS SHOULDER AND THERE, AND THEN THERE'S THIS, UH, UH, A SWILL OR A DITCH ON, ON BOTH SIDES.
WHAT THE CROSS SECTION DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IS THAT PEDESTRIAN, UM, UH, CONNECTIVITY, THAT PEDESTRIAN ACCOMMODATION.
WE ASKED THEM TO TAKE A A A LOOK AT THAT THIS MORNING.
SO THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK HOPEFULLY WITH SOMETHING THAT MAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE FOR PEDESTRIANS WITHIN THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
STATEMENT OF INTENT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IT TALKS ABOUT THESE THINGS OF, YOU KNOW, HIGHER DENSITY SHOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE SIDEWALKS ON STREET PARKING,
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WALKING TRAILS, AMENITIES OF THAT SORT.THE ENGINEER WHO WAS ON A CALL THIS MORNING INDICATED SOME CHALLENGES WITH GOING WITH AN ADDITIONAL LANE SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE PARKING ON ONE SIDE, BUT WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THEY DO, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE FULL SCREEN, UM, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY DO IS CONSIDER PARALLEL PARKING TO, TO SIMULATE ON, ON STREET PARKING, BUT THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ON STREET.
SO, UH, WHAT THEY HAVE HERE IS A CASE OF, UM, MEETING THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FROM A RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT FOR PARKING TWO UNITS PER, UM, UH, TWO UNITS PER, I'M SORRY, TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.
ONE OF THE SPACES CAN BE A GARAGE BY ORDINANCE.
THEY'RE ALLOWED TO USE THE GARAGE AS A PARKING SPACE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ASKED FOR IN THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS WAS THAT THEY SHOW US THAT, THAT, UM, THAT, UH, UM, REFURBISHING OR, UH, OR CHANGING THAT GARAGE INTO A BONUS ROOM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SHALL BE PROHIBITED BECAUSE THAT GARAGE IS ONE OF THE TWO PARKING SPACES THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE IN ADDITION TO THE, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM ON PARKING, UH, COUPLED WITH THE, WITH THE NARROW WIDTH OF THE STREET, THESE AREAS IN RED ARE POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO INCLUDE PARALLEL OR 90 DEGREE, UH, PARKING.
AGAIN, TO SIMULATE THAT, UH, THAT ON STREET PARKING, I TOLD THEM THAT WHAT THAT PARKING LOOKS LIKE IS UP TO THEM, BUT THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING.
IF YOU ONLY HAVE 280 PARKING SPACES FOR 140 UNITS, WE DON'T KNOW IF A RESIDENT IS GONNA OWN MORE THAN TWO CARS OR IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF GUESTS.
SO WE REALLY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT HAVING ADDITIONAL PARKING BEYOND THE BARE MINIMUM OF, UH, TWO SPACES PER UNIT.
THIS PAD RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THE EMS STATION IS PROPOSED TO GO.
AND THIS BUILDING HERE IS A TWO STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
UH, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING IS THERE FOR THE, UH, MIXED USE ASPECT OF THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THESE ARE, UM, THESE ARE YOUR, UH, STORMWATER PONDS OR YOUR BMPS.
SO HE'S, THEY'VE GOT THREE OF THOSE.
AND, UM, THEY ALSO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COMMON AREAS.
SO OF COURSE THE STORMWATER PONDS ARE IN COMMON AREA.
THEY'VE GOT, UH, I BELIEVE FOUR PARKS OR, UH, YEAH, FOUR.
UM, IN THE MIDDLE PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU'VE GOT ONE BEHIND THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
AND THEN HERE'S ONE ALSO, UH, AT THE ENTRANCE AT CAPTAIN'S CORRIDOR.
HOW WIDE IS THAT ONE IN THE CENTER? SAY AGAIN? HOW WIDE THE WIDTH OF THAT, UH, CENTRAL, UH, COMMERCIAL PARK IN THE MIDDLE.
WE DON'T HAVE DIMENSIONS ON THOSE.
WE CAN SCALE THOSE AND GET BACK TO YOU, BUT THEY, BUT, UH, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT.
BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY SPIT ACROSS IT, OKAY.
BUT IF YOU, IF, IF YOU ASSUME THAT THIS IS A 100 FOOT LOT RIGHT HERE, AND THEN THIS IS ALSO A 100 FOOT LOT, I WOULD, IT WOULD BE, UM, REASONABLE TO SAY THAT THIS, THIS PARK RIGHT HERE IS 200 FEET, UH, DEEP.
AND IF THESE ARE 20 FOOT, UH, IF THESE ARE 20 FOOT LOTS, THEN I WOULD SAY THAT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND, UM, 75 TO 80 FEET WIDE, UH, ACROSS THE, UM, UH, ACROSS THE STREET.
THAT'S JUST A REALLY QUICK AND DIRTY, KIND OF EYEBALLING THE CALCULATION BASED OFF OF WHAT I KNOW.
BUT I'D SAY 200 BY 80 IS WHAT THE SIZE OF THIS PARK IS.
'CAUSE I REMEMBER THE ARGUMENTS AROUND THIS, AND OF COURSE, WATER WAS ONE OF THE BIG ONES TOO, THAT THEY SOLD THE WATER RIGHTS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES, AND THE PEOPLE WERE ALL COMPLAINING ABOUT THE WATER IS THIS GOING TO BE, IS SERVED BY THE SAME WATER COMPANY THEY'RE OFFERING TO SERVE THIS WITH A CENTRAL OR PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
IN THIS CASE, THAT WOULD MOST LIKELY MEAN AQUA, WHICH SERVES THE, WHICH SERVES, WHICH SERVES CAPTAIN'S COVE WITH WATER AND SEWER.
AND THAT'S A PRIVATE COMPANY, BUT IT IS STILL CENTRAL.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL, UH, PROFFERED LAYOUT.
AND, UH, THE, THE STREET NETWORK IS A LITTLE BIT, UH, WONKY.
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YOU'VE GOT THIS T INTERSECTION HERE, THIS LARGE BMP, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY RECTANGULAR.OF COURSE, YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER BMP UP HERE.
UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING HOUSE ON SITE THAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN CONTEMPLATES KEEPING, BUT THE, UM, THE, UH, UH, PROPOSED PLAN, UH, SUGGESTS DEMOLISHING THAT HOUSE.
THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO KEEP THE HOUSE, BY THE WAY, NOT IN THE ZONING OR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
THERE WAS AN ARGUMENT IN ORIGINALLY LEE, TOO, IN THAT MEETING ABOUT THE ABILITY FOR FIRE TRUCKS TO GET AROUND THESE NARROW STREETS, ET CETERA.
SO A, A 20 FOOT WIDE STREET WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
UM, I DO NOT HAVE THE WIDTH OF WHAT OUR LARGEST PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS.
I CAN TELL YOU THE WEIGHT OF OUR LARGEST PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AND THE LENGTH, BUT NOT THE WIDTH.
UH, THAT WIDTH SHOULD BE LESS THAN 10 FEET THOUGH.
IT IS THE LARGEST PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IN AKIMA COUNTY.
AND THAT INCLUDES, BUT IF YOU HAVING PARALLEL PARKING AREAS MM-HMM.
ISN'T THAT GONNA NARROW THE ROAD DOWN A LITTLE BIT? NOT NECESSARILY.
UM, SHANTE, IF WE COULD, UH, ZOOM IN RIGHT HERE TO THE BOTTOM PART OF THIS MAJOR BMP.
SO IF THEY, IF THEY NOTCHED THIS OUT AND PUT PARALLEL PARKING NEXT TO, BUT NOT, NOT ON THE STREET, THEN THAT SHOULD MAINTAIN THE, THAT SHOULD MAINTAIN THE WIDTH.
OF COURSE, WITH A 20 FOOT WIDE STREET, 10 FOOT, UH, TRAVEL LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.
UH, YOU HAVE TO MAIN, YOU HAVE TO KEEP THOSE CLEAR, YEAH.
BUT IN COMMON AREA, THE PARKING CAN BE IN COMMON AREA.
AND I WOULD SUBMIT THAT, UH, HAVING PARALLEL PARKING OR 90 DEGREE PARKING WOULD STILL, UM, UH, HONOR THAT INTENT OF ADDITIONAL PARKING ALONG THE STREET.
AND THEY WOULD WANT PARKING IN THAT PARK IN THE CENTER ON BOTH ENDS.
IT'S UP TO THEM, BUT I WAS JUST IDENTIFYING SOME POTENTIAL THAT'S NOT PRETTY.
BUT ANYWAY, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY SUGGESTIONS, NOT THEIRS.
QUESTION, YOU SAY TWO, TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT IS REQUIRED.
WHAT BASIS ARE YOU USING TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL, AS I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, IF SOMEONE OWNS MORE THAN TWO CARS OR IF THEY'RE HAVING GUESTS.
BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS WHAT BASIS ARE YOU USING TO REQUIRE IT AS IT, IF IF IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY CODE, THEN WHAT ARE YOU USING? I'M ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL PARKING.
I'M ASKING 'EM TO CONSIDER FROM A FUNCTIONAL STANDPOINT.
LET'S GO BACK TO THE FULL VIEW, PLEASE.
UM, ONE OTHER MAJOR CHANGE IS ON THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED LAYOUT ALONG THIS PROPERTY LINE HERE, THERE ARE NO, THERE ARE NO UNITS.
SO THIS, THE, UM, UH, THE REARS OF THESE PROPERTIES IN CAPTAIN'S COVE, UH, IN THE NEW LAYOUT WOULD HAVE A, UM, WOULD HAVE A BUFFER, A LANDSCAPE TO BUFFER.
BUT YOU SEE WHERE THE, UM, WHERE THE UNITS AND THE ROADS HAVE KIND OF SWITCHED PLACES.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THE ROAD ALONG THIS REAR PROPERTY LINE OR THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE, UM, THE, UH, UH, THE, THE ROAD WAS HERE ALONG THIS PROPERTY LINE BEFORE WHERE YOU HAVE UNITS.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND PAUSE HERE AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
NO, YOU WANT, YOU WANT TO HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THIS? YES, SIR.
AND WHAT ARE WE GONNA GO OVER IN THE WORK SESSION? WE'RE GONNA GO OVER, UM, UH, UH, THE PROFFERS, THE, UH, THE, THE WAIVERS.
WE, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME CONDITIONS DRAFTED BY THEN.
AND WE'RE JUST GONNA GO OVER THE LAYOUT.
WE'RE JUST GONNA GO OVER THE CASE.
THERE'S THE OTHER CASE, DUNCAN MANOR, WHICH I HAD PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED A, UH, A WORK SESSION FOR, ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT THEY ALSO NEEDED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THAT.
I'LL GET INTO THAT MORE LATER.
BUT THE WORK SESSION WOULD BE FOR MARINER FARM AND FOR DUNCAN MANOR.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM TO A PUBLIC HEARING WHEN JUNE.
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SO THAT CONCLUDES MY, UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
AND I CAN FIELD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ITEM.
BUT THE REQUEST IS FOR A WORK SESSION.
IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE DUNCAN MANOR AFTER YOU'VE SEEN MORE OF THAT AND JUST, UH, AND, UH, UH, WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A WORK SESSION.
YOU CAN DO THAT NOW, OR YOU CAN DO THAT AFTER DUNCAN MANOR, BUT IT'S ONLY GONNA BE ONE WORK SESSION FOR BOTH.
SO WE HEAR, HEAR THE O JUST MAKE, OH, OKAY.
OR DO YOU WANNA DO, WELL, WE HAVE TO GO TO PUBLIC HEARING NOW.
I'LL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, MADAM CHAIR.
I MEAN, WE CAN JUST MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE A WORK SESSION ON 28TH AT 6:00 PM OKAY.
WE CAN, WE CAN DO THIS ONE AND THEN MAKE A MOTION FOR THE NEXT ONE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME AS LONG AS WE GET IT DONE.
WELL, LET'S DO 'EM SEPARATELY SINCE WE'RE HERE.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THE 28TH AT 6:00 PM ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S FOR, UH, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON REMOVAL OF NINE D TWO DASH A DASH NINE FIVE B AND 92 A DASH 95 B2 92 A 95 B 3 92, A 95 B FOUR, AND 92 A 95 C FROM AGRICULTURAL AND FOREST DISTRICT FOR SUZANNE TANKARD.
UM, SO AGAIN, SUZANNE TANKARD WAS THE APPLICANT.
UH, THIS IS PART OF THE, UH, VAN KERAN FARM.
SO WE HAVE, UH, JOHN VAN KERAN, STEVE VAN KERAN, ET AL.
THERE'S ABOUT, UH, FOUR OR FIVE NAMES ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY.
UM, ELECTION DISTRICT IS, UH, SEVEN, WHICH IS, UH, JACKIE PHILLIPS ACREAGE IS, UH, 35.24 ACRES.
UH, ZONE RESIDENTIAL IS IN THE PUNTE AG AND FORESTAL DISTRICT.
UM, AGAIN, RIGHT OUTSIDE OF AN C**K.
AND THIS ENCOMPASSES THE ENTIRE AREA.
UM, THIS IS THE, THE ZONING MAP.
UM, WE DO HAVE A CASE WHERE THERE IS SOME TOWN BOUNDARY, HOWEVER, PORTIONS OF IT ARE IN THE COUNTY AND ARE IN THE A FD.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S THE A FD.
UM, AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY.
UM, THIS WAS A PLANT THAT WAS DONE, I BELIEVE, LATE TWO THOUSANDS.
UM, AND BUT WASN'T RECORDED UNTIL 2024.
THE ISSUE WITH, UH, GETTING IT RECORDED IS THERE'S NO SUBDIVISION AGENT APPROVAL.
UM, SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING IT, GETTING IT APPROVED.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WE HAVE TO GET IT OUT OF THE A FD IN ORDER TO SUBDIVIDED.
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS? THE PURPOSE IS SO THEY CAN, UM, THEY CAN COME BACK TO THE COUNTY AND ACTUALLY APPLY FOR THIS TO BE DONE SO THAT WE CAN SPLIT THE PARCELS OUT.
IT'S THE PERFECT SPOT FOR A PLACE TO BUILD HOUSES.
AND IT'S OWN, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE TOWN.
AND IT'S OWN RESIDENTIAL, WHICH ALLOWS FOR SMALLER LOT SIZES THAN YOUR TYPICAL AGRICULTURAL LOT.
SO AGAIN, I KNOW WE'VE TOUCHED ON THIS BEFORE.
THIS IS, UH, THE PROCESS OF WITHDRAWING A PARCEL FROM THE DISTRICT.
UM, AND THIS IS A SUBDIVISION OF PARCEL.
I'LL JUST REPEAT IT AGAIN SINCE WE'RE DOING PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, LANDLINE WITHIN A DISTRICT SHALL NOT BE SUBDIVIDED DURING THE PERIOD THAT SUCH DISTRICT EXISTS, EXCEPT THAT WITH THE PRIOR APPROVAL OF THE BOARD, LOTS MEET THE CRITERIA FOR VIRGINIA CODE 15.2, 2244, AND AKIMA COUNTY CODE SECTION 78 DASH 12 MAY BE SUBDIVIDED FOR USE BY AN IMMEDIATE, AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OR THE OWNER OF SUCH LAND.
FURTHER LAND MAY BE DIVIDED OR SUBDIVIDED AND SOLD FOR CONTINUED AGRICULTURAL AND FORESTAL USE SO LONG AS IT CONTINUES TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS ORDINANCE AND THE DISTRICT.
UH, JUST QUICKLY, THESE ARE SOME FINDINGS.
UH, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY WISH TO SUBDIVIDE THE PARCEL INTO SEPARATE LINES TO SELL.
UH, THE PARCELS ARE ZONED RESIDENTIAL WHERE SMALLER LOT SIZES ARE ALLOWED, AND THE PARCELS ARE IN AN AG AND FORESTAL DISTRICT AND WOULD NEED TO BE TAKEN OUTTA THE DISTRICT IN ORDER TO SUBDIVIDE.
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APPROVAL OF THE REMOVAL FROM THE AG AND FORESTAL DISTRICT, UH, GIVEN THE PROXIMITY TO AN INCORPORATED TOWN AND THE PROPERTY BEING ALLY ZONED, ZONED.UM, AND OF, OF COURSE, THE, UH, AT THE AG FORESTAL DISTRICT COMMITTEE MEETING, THEY ALSO RECOMMENDED THE PARCELS BE WITHDRAWN.
COULD YOU REMIND ME OF THE LOCATION AGAIN? YOU SAID THIS IS, THIS IS JUST OUTSIDE OF AN C**K.
SO YOU GOT COLLEGE AVENUE RIGHT THERE WHERE THE OLD SCHOOL IS.
THIS IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH, LIBERTY STREET.
AND THEN THEY OWN THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO IT UP IN THE, THAT'S IN THE TOWN.
THEY, THEY OWN THIS, UH, THIS AND SOME PROPERTIES BACK HERE.
IT LOOKED, IT LOOKED LIKE MOST OF IT WOULD BE IN TOWN, BUT YOU SAID MOST OF IT IS NOT IN THE TOWN.
SO IF WE LOOK AT, IF WE LOOK AT THIS, UH, THE GRAY PORTION IS TOWN BOUNDARY.
SO THERE'S ACTUALLY NOT A SINGLE PARCEL THAT'S A PART OF THIS THAT WOULD NOT AT LEAST HAVE TO COME TO THE COUNTY TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED FROM THE SUBDIVISION STANDPOINT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER, DO YOU WANNA COME UP HERE AND SAY ANYTHING OR, YEAH.
YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES AS THE APPLICANT TO TALK ALL YOU WANT.
SO JUST GO BACK TO THE BATHROOM.
YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME.
STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU'RE FROM AND, UH, YOU HAVE 10, 10 MINUTES.
MY NAME IS SUZANNE BAN AND TANKARD.
SO IT'S MY BROTHERS AND SISTER AND I WHO WANT THE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, A ONE ON THE LEFT, THAT'S IN THE TOWN OF AT C**K.
SO THERE'S, THE WHOLE PIECE IS BEING FARMED, BUT THE A TWO TRACK, A TWO IS IN THE COUNTY AND THE A FD DISTRICT.
SO WE WANT IT ALL TO BE, AND ONE UNIT THAT WE CAN SUBDIVIDE OR SELL TO SOMEONE WHO MIGHT WANT TO COME TO YOU TO GET IT SUBDIVIDED.
MY, I STILL TRIED TO GET MY BEARINGS.
THIS IS THE, WHAT USED TO BE THE NELSON FARM.
SO SOUTH OF COLLEGE AVENUE, NOT NORTH.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY.
WE CAN, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANYBODY? WOULD YOU LIKE A MOTION? SURE.
UH, MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITHDRAWAL OF PARCELS 92 DASH A DASH 95 B 92 DASH A DASH 95 B 2 92 A 95 B 3 92, A NINE FIVE B FOUR, AND 92 A NINE FIVE C FROM THE TI AG IN FORESTALL DISTRICT.
UH, MAY I BE EXEMPT BECAUSE I, UH, FROM THIS VOTE? 'CAUSE I DON'T LAND OVER BY, UH, SAY WOODS DRIVE.
SO I DON'T WANT ANY APPEARANCE WITH IMPROPRIETY HERE.
YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXEMPT IF YOU'RE NOT MAKING MONEY OFF OF IT.
SO IT'S UP TO YOU THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SECOND I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON REMOVAL OF 85 A DASH 60 AND 85 A DASH 52 FROM AG AND FOREST DISTRICT.
JUSTIN ANIS ON BEHALF OF RIN FARM INCORPORATED.
OKAY, SO, UH, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND.
JUSTIN ANNIS WAS THE APPLICANT.
UH, THIS IS, UH, T MAPS 85, A 60 AND 85, A 52, UH, DISTRICT SIX, APPROXIMATELY 35 ACRES.
UM, IT HAS, UH, TWO ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS.
IT'S A ZONE GENERAL BUSINESS UP AT THE FRONT TOWARDS FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, AND, UH, FURTHER BACK ITS ZONE AGRICULTURAL.
AND THIS IS IN THE TAS, LEE, A FD.
SO JUST FOR BEARINGS, THIS IS FAIRGROUNDS ROAD.
UH, YOU GOT THE ROUNDABOUT HERE.
AND IT IS, IT IS IN AN AG AND FORESTAL DISTRICT.
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SO YOU HAVE THIS PARCEL HERE, AND THAT PARCEL'S A LITTLE SLIVER UP NEAR THE ROAD.UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE ZONING OF THE PARCEL.
SO GENERAL BUSINESS UPFRONT, AGRICULTURAL, AND BACK THEN AGAIN, UH, AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING WITHDRAWAL FROM THE DISTRICT, THIS IS, THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT YOU GO THROUGH AND SUBDIVISION OF THE PARCEL, JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE.
SO WE'LL GO TO STAFF FINDINGS.
THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY WISH TO SUBDIVIDE THE PARCEL IN A SEPARATE, WELL IN A SEPARATE LOSS TO SELL.
UM, THERE'S ALSO INTEREST IN SOMETHING CALLED A MORE INTENSIVE USE.
UM, I'LL, I'LL QUICKLY READ THAT SECTION 12 MORE INTENSIVE USES NO PARCEL OF LAND WITHIN A DISTRICT, SHALL WITHOUT THE PRIOR APPROVAL OF THE BOARD BE DEVELOPED TO ANY MORE INTENSIVE USE, INCLUDING THE PLACEMENT OF BUILDINGS AND DWELLINGS THEREON, OTHER THAN USES, RESULTING IN MORE INTENSIVE AGRICULTURAL FOREST OR PRODUCTIONS DURING THE PERIOD, WHICH SAID PARCEL REMAINS IN THE DISTRICT.
SO IF YOU WANNA PUT A HOUSE THERE, SHED SOMETHING THAT'S NOT DEEMED NECESSARY BY AGRICULTURAL EXEMPTION, YOU WOULD HAVE TO, WELL, FOR THAT CASE IN PARTICULAR, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND BE APPROVED FOR MORE INTENSE ABUSE.
UM, IF YOU'RE DOING A ONE AND DONE, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
BUT IN, IN THE CASE WHERE YOU WANT TO HAVE A HOUSE, AN OUTBUILDING, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW YOU HAVE AN OUTBUILDING, IT, IT BECOMES A LOT MORE INVOLVED EVERY TIME YOU COME BACK TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REQUESTING A MORE I INTENSE ABUSE.
SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WITHDRAWING IT FROM THE DISTRICT.
UM, I CAN SEE WHY THEY'RE DOING IT BECAUSE THERE'S A HUGE DEVELOPMENT GOING IN ACROSS THE STREET.
THE 464 50 UNITS, ISNT IT? YES SIR.
UH, NUMBER TWO PARCELS ARE ZONE, GENERAL BUSINESS AND AGRICULTURAL.
UH, THESE PARCELS ARE IN AG FORESTAL DISTRICT AND WE NEED TO BE TAKEN OUTTA THE DISTRICT IN ORDER TO SUBDIVIDE.
UH, STAFF IS NEUTRAL ON THE PROPOSAL.
UM, HOWEVER, THE AG AND FORESTAL DISTRICT COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THE PARCELS BE WITHDRAWN.
UM, THAT'S THE MOTION I CAN LIKE TO TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ALSO.
ANY QUESTIONS MR. ANS DO YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES? IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU'RE FROM.
UH, JUSTIN ANS I LIVE IN RED BANK IN MELVILLE.
UM, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE AERIAL PHOTO? BASICALLY UP BY THE ROAD.
THERE'S A WELL IN SEPTIC THAT IS STILL GOOD.
UM, JIMMY BUND HAS TESTED IT AND ONE PUT A RESIDENCE THERE.
THERE WAS ONE IN 2008, A TRAILER, THEY REMOVED IT AND NOTHING CAN GO BACK BECAUSE OF THE INTENSIVE USE WITHOUT TAKING OUT THE AG FOREST DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S THE PLAN, NOT, NOT THE REST OF THE FARMLAND.
IT'S JUST RIGHT UP FRONT TO PUT A HOUSE THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY SIGN UP FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU QUESTIONS OR MAKE A MOTION.
DO YOU HAVE PUT THE MOTION UP THERE? OH, SORRY.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITHDRAWALS OF PARCELS 85, A 60 AND 85 A 52 FROM THE TALY AG AND FOREST ALL DISTRICT I MOTION AND A SECOND.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER MATTERS? THIS IS JUST A CONTINUANCE OF THE, UH, BRIEFING THAT WE HAD STARTED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ON DUNCAN MANOR.
THESE ARE, UH, REZONING CASE REZ TRIPLE 0 1 8 8 20 25 AND CONDITIONAL USE, UH, UH, QUADRUPLE 0 5 6 20 26.
SO AS WAS POINTED OUT PREVIOUSLY, UH, BEFORE, UH, BECAUSE THEY ARE PROPOSING A DEVELOPMENT OF MORE THAN 50 LOTS OR 50 UNITS, THEY HAVE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE VITAL STATISTICS ON THIS, THE APPLICANT IS THE ATLANTIC GROUP AND ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS, UH, OUR, THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR OWNER IS THE OSKY GROUP.
UH, THE SITE IS COMPRISED OF 35 TAX PARCELS, SO WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS LISTED HERE, ALTHOUGH THE STAFF DID CHECK
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THEIR, UM, THEIR, UH, THEIR, UH, UH, PARCEL, UH, THEIR LOT AREA TABLE AND ALL OF THE NUMBERS ARE CORRECT.THIS IS IN DISTRICT SEVEN SUPERVISOR JACKIE PHILLIPS, AND THE COMMISSIONER IS LYNN GALE.
THE SITE AREA ACREAGE IS 55.45 ACRES TOTAL.
AND I SAY TOTAL BECAUSE THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TWO PIECES TO THIS SITE THAT ARE ACTUALLY SEPARATED.
THE ZONING IS BUSINESS AND AGRICULTURE.
THE FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION IS VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
AND THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE, UH, THE 55.45 ACRES FROM BUSINESS AND AG TO VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'RE ALSO ASKING FOR THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DEVELOPMENT OF MORE THAN 50 UNITS.
IT'S IN THE, UM, UH, UH, IT IS IN THE CHEST BAY, UH, OVERLAY.
AND THE ADJACENT ZONINGS ARE AG BUSINESS AND VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
ADJACENT USES, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THERE IS VACANT, UM, THERE IS VACANT AG PROPO, WHICH IS ACTUALLY PROPOSED VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES MEDICAL OFFICE AND THE HOSPITAL ACROSS THE STREET.
AND SOME PERSONAL SERVICES ARE ALSO, UH, IN THE AREA.
AS WITH THE, UH, MARINER FARMS, MARINER FARM CASES, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT WORK SESSION FOR TUESDAY, APRIL 28TH AT SIX O'CLOCK.
THEY DID NOT SUBMIT ANY PROFFERS FOR THIS.
HOWEVER, THEY ARE REQUESTING FOUR WAIVERS.
ONE OF THE WAIVERS IS THE MAXIMUM, UH, UH, MAXIMUM VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT, PRO PROJECT SIZE OF 40 ACRES.
AS I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, 55.45 ACRES OF, UH, OF A DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT'S REQUESTED.
THEY ARE REQUESTING A REDUCTION IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FROM 30 TO 25.
THEY ARE REQUESTING A REDUCTION IN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM 10 FEET TO EIGHT FEET.
THEY ARE ALSO ASKING FOR A TOTAL WAIVER OF THE AGRICULTURAL SETBACK OF 200 FEET.
SO ANY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE MUST BE AT LEAST 200 FEET FROM A, UH, FROM ANY PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED AGRICULTURE.
IF YOU RECALL, FROM THE COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES CASE, HE ALSO ASKED FOR THAT HERE OR RATHER ON THE, ON THAT CASE, WHICH WAS ULTIMATELY GRANTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
ONE OTHER STEP THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH IS THEY WILL HAVE TO GET A PRELIMINARY PLAT AT A LATER STAGE.
IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO APPLY FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH A REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT COME OUT OF THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO WE ARE ASKING THEM TO DEFER A, UH, UH, AN APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT UNTIL LATER.
HERE IS THAT WAIVER REQUEST MATRIX.
AGAIN, THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT SIZE MAXIMUM IS 40.
THEY WANT A, UH, THEY WANT A 55.45 ACRES, UH, ACRE SITE, FRONT YARD, SETBACK SIDE YARD, AND THE AG, UH, SETBACKS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
ONE THING ABOUT THE AG SETBACK, WHICH WAS UM, WHICH IS UH, EVEN MORE TRUE WITH THIS APPLICATION THAN IT WAS WITH THE LAST APPLICATION, IS THAT THE ONLY AGRICULTURALLY ZONED PROPERTY, UH, UH, IN THE VICINITY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, THOSE AG ZONED PROPERTIES ARE USED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND NO ACTIVE FARMING OR CULTIVATION IS, IS OCCURRING, UH, ON THOSE AG PROPERTIES.
GENERAL PROJECT DESCRIPTION AND DESIGN HIGHLIGHTS, AS I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, THEY'RE REQUESTING 141 OVER ONE TOWNHOUSES AND 14 BUILDINGS WITH 10 UNITS EACH.
THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING 84 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ON LOTS WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH OF 60 FEET.
UM, AGAIN, WITH THE TWO PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY.
THE WESTERN PORTION, WHICH IS CLOSER TO THE TOWN OF ONANCOCK AND IS ACTUALLY ALONG THE, IS AT THE, THE WESTERN TIP IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF FAIRGROUNDS AND MARKET.
UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING A LANDSCAPE TO BURN ALONG MARKET STREET.
THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING THREE STORMWATER PONDS AND TWO COMMERCIAL PADS.
THE EAST PORTION, WHICH IS UM, WHICH IS AT THE EASTERN END OF THE DUNCAN MANOR RIGHT OF WAY, UH, THEY'VE GOT A LARGE POND.
THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING A COMMUNITY CENTER WITH PARK AND POOL.
AND THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING A STREET CONNECTION TO COASTAL SQUARE AND RESIDENCES.
LEE, DO YOU HAVE A MAP TO SHOW US ON THIS? OKAY, WE'LL GET THERE.
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AND HERE WE ARE.OKAY, WELL, SO, UM, THIS IS AN OVERALL VICINITY MAP.
UH, THIS IS THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF FAIRGROUNDS AND, UM, AND, UH, UH, MARKET STREET, THE WESTERN PORTION, WHICH IS UP AGAINST THE GROVE AT ONLY TOWN CENTER.
AND THEN ALL OF THIS PROPERTY UP HERE WAS, UM, UH, THEY GOT THEIR LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS FOR REZONINGS AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR COASTAL SQUARE AND RESIDENCES.
THAT'S THE OLD AIRFIELD IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE OLD AIRFIELD.
AND ON THE LAST CASE THAT GIN HAD, UH, UH, HAD US CONSIDER IS RIGHT HERE JUST FOR, JUST TO GET YOUR BEARINGS.
UH, ROUTE 13, UH, WEST MAIN STREET, THE ROYAL FARMS IS HERE AND THIS IS THE SHOPPING CENTER WITH THE ROSES AND THE MARSHALS.
AND THEN THIS IS THE HOSPITAL.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT WESTERN PORTION HAS GOT TWO ZONINGS.
PART OF IT IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL, AND THEN PART OF IT IS ZONED BUSINESS.
THE EASTERN PART IS, UH, ZONED ENTIRELY AGRICULTURAL, WHICH WOULD LEAVE IF, UH, UH, SHOULD THIS BE REZONED.
THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY PORTION OF THE, OF THE VICINITY THAT IS, UM, THAT WOULD REMAIN ZONED AGRICULTURE.
SO THE END EFFECT WITH THIS WOULD ALL BE ZONED VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS WOULD ALL BE ZONED VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT.
THE FUTURE LAND USE, AS WE RECALL FROM THE COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES CASE, UM, IS VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
AND THIS IS THE, UH, THIS IS THE CHES BAY, UM, RPA.
SINCE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AGRICULTURAL LAND, WE LIKE TO PRESENT YOU WITH THE SOILS MAP.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, UM, OF UH, UH, WHAT ALL IS OUT THERE.
THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED.
AGAIN, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL PAD HERE AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL PAD HERE.
HERE'S YOUR LANDSCAPED BERM ALONG, UH, ALONG MARKET STREET.
THESE ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS HERE.
AND THEN, UH, DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE EASTERN PORTION, THESE ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
AND THEN THESE ARE YOUR, UM, YOUR 141 OVER ONES.
WHAT'S A ONE OVER ONE AGAIN? A ONE OVER ONE IS ONE UNIT ON TOP OF ANOTHER.
SO NOT A TOWNHOUSE, NOT A, UH, NOT A TOWNHOUSE ON APARTMENT, I GUESS.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I DON'T LIKE.
THE AMENITIES ARE AT THE, UH, SOUTHERN PORTION OR AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THAT EAST PORTION.
THESE ARE, UM, AND, AND ONE OVER ONE IS ACTUALLY ONE STORY UNIT OVER ONE STORY UNIT.
IN SOME OF THE LARGER AREAS, YOU'LL SEE TWO OVER TWOS, WHICH IS A TWO STORY UNIT OVER A TWO STORY UNIT FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR STORIES.
THAT OF COURSE IS NOT WHAT HE'S PROPOSING.
UH, HE IS PROPOSING THESE, UH, ONE OVER ONES.
AND THEN IS THIS THE SAME DEVELOPER THAT HAS THE RIGHT FOR THE 450? YES SIR.
THAT ALL RUNS BEHIND ATTIC AND ALL ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD ALMOST UP TO THE AIRFIELD, WHICH HE'S PROPOSING NOW TO DEVELOP AS WELL.
SO GOING BACK TO THIS CONCEPT AND UM, UH, AND THEN I CAN ALSO BACK UP TO THE ZONING MAP, BUT EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE UP HERE THAT IS VACANT, UM, AND THEN NOT THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE, BUT UH, ALL OF THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCE SITE.
SO IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF DUNCAN MANOR IS THE SITE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YES.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE 140 UNITS IN THERE.
140 PLUS EIGHTY FOUR, TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY FOUR.
AND THAT'S ON TOP OF THE FOUR 50 THAT WAS APPROVED BEFOREHAND? WELL, I MEAN IF IT WAS JUST TOWNHOUSES, BUT THIS, YOU KNOW, HOW ABOUT WATER AND SEWER? WELL, HE IS GOT, THAT'S REQUIRED.
I MEAN, HE CAN'T DO ANY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE LAST TIME HE HAD A LETTER FROM THE C**K.
WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS VALID OR NOT, BUT I MEAN, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO SHOW THAT HE'S GOT WATER.
WE CAN'T PASS IT IF HE DOESN'T HAVE WATER.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE WORK SESSION ABOUT, I IMAGINE.
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AND THE FLOOR PLANS IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.UM, BUT AGAIN, THE ASK FROM STAFF IS FOR THAT, UM, FOR THAT WORK SESSION.
UH, SO WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT BOTH MARINER FARM AND THIS CASE RIGHT HERE.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I CAN FIELD ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
YOU WERE SAYING YOU WERE ON FARGO THE PLAT OR WHAT, WHAT DID YOU ASK THEM? SO THE, UM, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THEY GO THROUGH THEIR LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS FIRST BEFORE SUBMITTING A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
THE REASON WHY WE WANT THEM TO GO THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS IS THERE MAY BE SOME CONDITIONS THAT COME OUT OF THIS THAT MAY AFFECT WHAT THAT PLAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO THEY BASICALLY, I LIKE TO, I LIKE TO DESCRIBE THE LAND USE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS AS SETTING THE TABLE.
SO THE REZONING AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS SET THE TABLE FOR, FOR, UH, MORE SPECIFIC DESIGN, WHETHER THAT'S THE SITE PLAN WITH THE WATER AND SEWER AND THE STORM WATER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, MAYBE SOME EASEMENTS MIGHT BE REQUIRED THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO SHOW ON A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND A FINAL PLAT, BUT IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH THE PREMI PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCESS NOW IN TANDEM WITH THE REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS BECAUSE THEY MAY END UP HAVING TO REDESIGN THAT.
SHOULD DELIBERATIONS REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DESIGN, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
IF YOU GUYS COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT SAY, HEY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDESIGN THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT.
IT WAS 10 FOOT FARTHER BACK FROM THE ROAD THEN THAT ONE ON CAPTAIN'S COVE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
WELL, THERE REQUEST, WELL THE ONE CAPTAINS COVE HAS A MUCH BETTER LAYOUT.
I MEAN, THIS IS JUST STACKED ON ONE.
I CAN'T SAY THAT WE HAVE APPROVED SOMETHING WITHOUT PROPER PLAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD SET NO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT OF THIS SIZE.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THAT IN A WORK SESSION.
NOW WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THINGS LIKE THAT BEFORE AND A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS, UH, ROCKET LAB.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM COME BACK HERE.
WHAT WAS THE REQUIREMENT FOR ROCKET LAB? TO COME BACK WITH A PLAT TO COME BACK WITH A PLAT, YOU KNOW, UH, DESIGN AND, AND GET IT APPROVED.
THEY, THEY DIDN'T, I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE ROCKET LAB WAS, WAS BUILT BY THE TIME I GOT HERE.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE USUALLY HAVE EVERYTHING WITH THE PLAT AND THE SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING ON AND THEN WE APPROVE IT, BUT THE ONE TIME WE DIDN'T, WE'VE NEVER SEEN IT.
WELL THAT'S AN INTERESTING, WHEN WAS THAT? OH, COVID LIKE 2000, 2001.
SO IS THAT A REQUIREMENT? WELL, IN THE, IN THE CONDITIONAL USE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLAT IN YOUR SETBACKS AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, YOU KNOW, THE CONDITIONAL USE, THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED WITH A CONDITIONAL USE.
AGAIN, THIS DETERMINES WHAT THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT IS GONNA LOOK LIKE, BUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN WHERE A PRELIMINARY PLAT COMES IN AT THE SAME TIME AS A REZONING AND CON IN A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO END UP.
AGAIN, IT IS REQUIRED FOR THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, FOR THIS NUMBER OF LOTS THAT THEY COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, FOR, UH, FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL.
AND THEN AFTER THAT THEY START THEIR DESIGN FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR SITE PLAN OR FOR THEIR, UH, WHAT I CALL THE SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
AND THEN THEY WOULD ALSO SUBMIT FINAL PLATS FOR RECORDATION, BUT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ANY OF THIS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS, WHICH COMES AFTER THE LAND USE, ENTITLEMENTS OF CONDITIONAL USE AND REZONING.
SO WHEN WE GET INTO WORK SESSION, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE VAST NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS ON THAT SMALL SPOT OF DIRT.
AND THE DEVELOPER WILL BE HERE.
I, I DON'T KNOW HOW, HERE'S A DENSITY LEFT.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS, BUT, ALRIGHT.
THE OTHER THING TOO IS, UH, WE WOULD NEED A THING IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, IMPACT ON THE FIRE AND RESCUE POLICE.
A LOT OF TIMES THE, UH, I SAW IT UP NORTH IS THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE ON THE HOOK FOR ALL THIS STUFF.
THE DEVELOPER MAKES AND SELLS A LOT.
HE WALKS AWAY AND THEN PEOPLE GOTTA HAVE BUILD A NEW SCHOOL.
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THEY GOTTA DO, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE HUGE AMOUNTS OF, WELL, THE GOOD NEWS FOR THAT IS THIS, THIS PERSON HAS NEVER DEVELOPED ANYTHING.HE SAID THAT PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY, HE'S LOOKING TO GET IT DONE SO THAT HE CAN RESELL IT TO SOMEBODY, WHICH IS, HE'S NOT GOING TO, HE'S NOT GOING TO MOVE ONE SPOT OF DIRT
BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE, IN THE RIGHT, IN THE, OKAY.
DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? DOES ANYBODY FOR THE, UH, I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, OH, SORRY.
WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AT THE WORK SESSION.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE BRING THIS DUNCAN MANNER UP IN THE WORK SESSION ON THE 28TH.
POINT OF INFORMATION FOR VOTE.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS ALL SPECULATION? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
I'M JUST MAKING A PERSONAL OPINION COMMENT.
IN A PUBLIC MEETING THAT I AM SAYING THAT THIS APPLICANT HAS NEVER BUILT ANYTHING.
YOU MEAN HASN'T BUILT ANYTHING HERE, OR HAS HE NEVER BUILT ANYTHING ANYWHERE?
UM, DO YOU NEED TO VOTE ON THAT? WE DID.
I, I BROUGHT UP A POINT OF INFORMATION BEFORE THE VOTE, WAS THAT, DO YOU NEED A VOTE AFTERWARDS OR A VOTE BEFORE? WHICH, WHICH IS, SO I MADE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE THIS PUBLISHED, THAT WE HAVE THIS MEETING ON THE 28TH.
AND THEN HE HAD A POINT INFORMATION AND ACTUALLY DIDN'T, SO WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T VOTE.
SO I'LL, I'LL MAKE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE 28TH ABOUT DUNCAN MANOR AT 6:00 PM OKAY.
UM, SINCE WE'RE IN OTHER MATTERS, UM, MARS ARE, ARE THEY THE, UM, WHERE WE REZONED IT INDUSTRIAL? ARE THEY HAVE ANY PLANS? THEIR IMMEDIATE PLAN IS TO USE THE SITE FOR DREDGE FOILS, SO AS, OH, YEAH.
SO, AND, AND THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED.
UM, THAT IS A BY RIGHT USE TO JUST TEMPORARILY TAKE THE, THE SPOILS FROM SLOOP GUT.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT ON THE BACKSIDE NEAR OUR BUCKLE NECK ROAD.
AND, UM, AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PLANS, WE HAVE DEFINITELY REVIEWED THAT THE PLANS HAVE BEEN SIGNED, BUT THEY HAVE NOT HELD, THEY HAVE NOT HELD A PRECON YET.
THAT PRECON IS SCHEDULED FOR, I BELIEVE, 11 O'CLOCK ON MONDAY MORNING.
BUT AFTER THAT, THEY'VE GOT, THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BE WELL AT THE PRECON.
THEY'RE GONNA BE INSPECTING ESSENTIALLY THEIR, UM, THEY'RE, UH, UH, UH, CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE.
UM, WITH REGARDS TO PLAN REVIEW, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY DEQ.
THE, UM, THE DIRECTOR OF DEQ HAS BEEN MADE AWARE OF THIS BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF, UH, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF ATTENTION ON THIS, BOTH FROM OUR LOCAL LEGISLATOR, UH, AS WELL AS VIRGINIA SPACE AND, UM, AND, UH, UH, UH, ROCKET LAB, PRIMARILY BECAUSE SLOOP GUT, AGAIN, YOU HAD, GOING BACK TO THE SLOOP GUT PROJECT, THAT IS INTENDED TO REOPEN MARINE ACCESS TO A, A PORT, IF YOU WILL.
IT'S A, IT'S A SMALL PORT ON OPS ISLAND, SO THAT, UM, UH, WIDER LOADS AND OVERSIZED LOADS ASSOCIATED WITH THE AEROSPACE, UH, UH, AEROSPACE ACTIVITY THERE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT OVER THE ROAD.
SO THEY WILL ACTUALLY BARGE THEIR LARGER, UH, THEIR LARGER COMPONENTS IN.
ONE OF THE MORE, UM, I GUESS THE FIRST USE OF THE, UH, OF THE PORT THERE, WHICH STILL HAS NOT BEEN DREDGED, IS THE FAIRING FOR THE FIRST NEUTRON ROCKET THAT WILL BE LAUNCHED HOPEFULLY LATER THIS YEAR OR EARLY NEXT YEAR.
YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN, UM, AN ARTICLE IN THE NEWSPAPER ABOUT THE HUNGRY HIPPO.
THE, THE LARGE WHITE FAIRING HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO THE A IT BUILDING ON WALLOPS ISLAND ROAD.
BUT, UH, UH, THEY MUST HAVE CAUGHT IT ON A HIGH TIDE WITH THE, WITH A FULL MOON OUT, BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO ACTUALLY BRING THAT BARGE TO THE, TO THE MARINE ACCESS WITHOUT NEEDING IT TO BE DREDGED.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR, THAT SITE IS BEING TEMPORARILY USED TO ESSENTIALLY, UH, UM, LOCATE THE DREDGE SPOILS TO DRY THEM OUT.
AND THEN ONCE THAT HAS BEEN CERTIFIED BY, UM,
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THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND CONSUMER SERVICES, OR V DACS, UH, WHICH ALSO HAS REVIEWED THE PLAN THAT, UM, UH, THAT MATERIAL WILL BE, UH, PLOWED BACK INTO THE LAND AS A SOILS AMENDMENT.SO THEY HAVE, UH, ONCE THEY START, THEY'VE GOT 364 DAYS TO, UH, TO BASICALLY DRY THE MATERIAL OUT AND TO TEST IT FOR WHATEVER THEY NEED TO TEST IT FOR.
BUT IT HAS RECEIVED, UM, REVIEW FROM DEQ AND FROM VDAS TWO STATE AGENCIES, UH, UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.
HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT? SAY AGAIN? HOW MANY ACRES? 55.
SO I THINK THE INDUSTRIAL SAYS, I'M SORRY.
IT'S, IT'S JUST UNDER 100 ACRES.
UHHUH
I THOUGHT INDUSTRIAL SAID ANYTHING OVER 10 ACRES OF USAGE WOULD NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IT'S BEING CONSIDERED AN AGRICULTURAL USE FOR THIS, FOR, FOR THIS EXER FOR, UH, FOR THIS USE.
CAN YOU DO THAT ON INDUSTRIAL LAND? YES.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM A SUBDIVISION AGENT STANDPOINT.
AGAIN, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS TO BRING TO YOU.
THE STAFF CONTINUES TO DO THE MINOR, YOU KNOW, LOT SPLITS, LOT LINE ADJUSTMENTS, LOT LINE VACATIONS, THAT KIND OF THING, WHICH DOESN'T REQUIRE COMMISSION ACTION.
THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS HELD FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, LAST WEEK.
UM, THE CASE OF THE DAY WAS AN APPEAL OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DETERMINATION THAT THE VALUE OF RENOVATIONS WOULD BE MORE THAN 50%.
IF, IF YOU HAVE A SITE IN THE FLOODPLAIN OR A BUILDING IN THE FLOODPLAIN, AND YOU IMPROVE THAT BUILDING MORE THAN 50% OF THE ASSESSED VALUE, THEN YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE, UM, UH, FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS.
THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, UH, UH, CONTESTED THAT LAST WEEK IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND THE VZA ACTUALLY AFFIRMED THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DETERMINATION.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE AT THAT POINT.
THERE WERE THREE OTHER CASES, TWO VARIANCES IN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THOSE WERE ALL GRANTED, UH, WITH CONDITIONS.
UM, AND OF COURSE, YOU HAVE THE DESCRIPTION IN YOUR STAFF REPORT FOR NEXT MONTH, THEY'RE SCHEDULED TO HAVE SEVEN PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THESE ALL APPEAR TO BE ROUTINE.
THERE'S AN RV FOR HABITATION ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITHOUT A PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
UH, THERE'S A VARIANCE FOR FRONT YARD SETBACK, AND THEN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AGAIN, FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITHOUT A PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
USUALLY WHAT THAT IS, IS SOME SORT OF SHED OR SOME SORT OF, UH, OR, OR, OR SOME SORT OF, UM, LIKE A CARPORT TO, UH, TO PUT ON THE PROPERTY.
BUT THERE IS NO MAIN OR PRIMARY STRUCTURE LIKE A HOUSE.
UH, ANOTHER SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR TWO RVS FOR HABITATION.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT TWO VARIANCE REQUESTS FOR, UH, FOR SETBACKS.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND PAUSE THERE AND JUST ASK IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO, ON THE DENIAL, I JUST, THIS IS JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, BUT ON THE DENIAL, IS THERE A TIME LIMIT WHEN THEY CAN TAKE IT TO THE CIRCUIT COURT, OR DO THEY, CAN THEY WAIT TO TAKE THAT TO THE CIRCUIT COURT? OR DO THEY HAVE TO DO IT IMMEDIATELY? OR IS THERE A TIMEFRAME ON THAT? YES, SIR.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE NOTIFY THEM OF THE, UH, OF THE BOARD'S ACTION, WE SEND 'EM AN APPROVAL LETTER THAT INDICATES THE APPEALS PROCESS.
THE APPEALS PERIOD IS 30 DAYS.
IF THEY LET THE 30 DAYS LAPSE, THEN THEY ARE DONE.
THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE NO FURTHER RECOURSE TO GO TO THE CIRCUIT COURT AFTER THAT.
BUT THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO APPEAL THIS TO THE, UH, AKIMA COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT.
THEY'VE GOTTA DO THAT WITHIN 30 DAYS.
SO, UM, WE HAVE REOPENED THE RECRUITMENT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER AND ENVIRONMENTAL PERMIT SPECIALIST.
AND, UH, WE REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY SEEING SOME APPLICATIONS ON THAT.
I HAVE MENTIONED LAST MONTH THAT WE'RE FULLY STAFFED IN THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT, OR BUILDING INSPECTIONS, UH, SECTION.
SO WE'VE GOT, UM, FOUR BUILDING INSPECTORS THERE, INCLUDING THE, UH, INCLUDING THE, UM, THE, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL HIMSELF.
AND THEN, UH, UH, THAT IS ALL TO SAY THAT THE CODE ADMINISTRATION DIVISION OF THIS DEPARTMENT IS FULLY STAFFED.
WE STILL HAVE, UM, WE STILL HAVE, UH, UH, UH, VACANCIES IN ENVIRONMENTAL, AGAIN, ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER IS ONE POSITION.
THE PERMIT SPECIALIST IS ANOTHER.
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WE'RE STILL HOPING FOR A DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS AS WELL.WHAT, WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, WHAT'S THE EDUCATION OR WORK EXPERIENCE THAT THAT'S NEEDED FOR THOSE? I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT, WHAT'S SO HARD ABOUT THAT? DO YOU GOTTA HAVE A BACHELOR'S OR A MASTER'S, OR DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE 10 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OR? RIGHT.
SO THE AD WILL, UM, THE AD WILL WILL SAY THAT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER, A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IS, IS A PREFERRED QUALIFICATION WITH ONE OR TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THAT FIELD.
IN, WELL, ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING, URBAN PLANNING, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, FIELD PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION.
BUT USUALLY SOMETHING IS A CURIOUS QUESTION.
UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL PERMIT SPECIALIST HAS, UM, HAS, UH, UH, DIFFERENT QUALIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW, UH, AN ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE WITH SOME, UH, WITH SOME EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS PREFERRED.
UH, WE WOULD CERTAINLY TAKE ON, UH, UH, IF A TRAINING PERSON EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, KINDA LIKE A PROJECT.
IF, IF SOMEONE APPEARS TO FIT THE BILL, THEN WE WOULD CERTAINLY TAKE, WE, WE COULD TAKE THEM ON AS AN EMPLOYEE WITH A LOT OF ON THE JOB TRAINING AND MENTORING.
I'M GONNA GO, GO AHEAD AND TURN THE SECOND BULLET POINT OVER TO WHO WILL TALK JUST REALLY BRIEFLY ABOUT, UH, THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ASPECT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WE HAD THAT, UH, JOINT WORK SESSION BETWEEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
GETTING GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, UH, CHANTE'S RIDLEY COUNTY PLANNER.
SO, AS LEE MENTIONED, WE ARE MOVING INTO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, UH, PORTION OF THE COMP PLAN UPDATE.
SO WE HAVE TWO ROUNDS OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT COMING UP.
UH, THE FIRST ROUND WOULD BE THURSDAY, APRIL 30TH THROUGH SATURDAY, MAY 2ND, THE SECOND ROUND.
WE PLAN TO, UM, LOCK THOSE DOWN, I'LL SAY MAYBE TOMORROW AFTERNOON.
BUT THOSE TENTATIVE DATES FOR THE SECOND, SECOND ROUND WOULD BE TUESDAY, MAY 19TH THROUGH THURSDAY, MAY 21ST.
UM, THE FIRST ROUND WILL INCLUDE ONE WORKSHOP, UM, WITH A TENTATIVE LOCATION OF THE PAINTER VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE WILL HAVE FOUR FOCUS GROUPS ON THAT FRIDAY, MAY THE FIRST.
THOSE ARE GONNA BE HELD AT THE LIBRARY IN PARSLEY.
UM, WE WILL ALSO HAVE A POPUP THAT EVENING.
WE ARE HOPING TO HAVE THAT AT ARCADIA HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THEN THAT SATURDAY, I'M NOT SURE IF ANYONE WILL BE GOING TO THE SEAFOOD FESTIVAL ON SHTICK, BUT WE PLAN ON, UM, HAVING
UM, AND THOSE POPUPS ARE GONNA BE, THEY, THEY'RE QUICK INFORMAL, UM, JUST TO MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE.
EVERYONE IS NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COME OUT FOR A FOCUS GROUP OR COME OUT TO A WORKSHOP.
SO THIS, THE POPUPS ARE QUICK, INFORMAL MEETING PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE.
UM, THE TENTATIVE LOCATIONS FOR THAT SECOND ROUND, UM, WOULD BE, LET'S SEE, THE MAY 19TH THROUGH THE 21ST.
UM, WE HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THE ROSES AREA.
UM, AFTER SPEAKING WITH THE OWNER, WE'VE DECIDED THAT, UM, WITH ROSES SPRINGTIME IS COMING.
WE KNOW THEY LIKE TO PUT OUT THEIR FLOWERS AND THEIR PLANTS.
SO TO AVOID THAT AREA A LITTLE WAYS DOWN.
SO AROUND THE BOOK BEND DOLLAR GENERAL AREA, UH, WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO GET THAT FOOT TRAFFIC.
AND WE WILL ALSO HAVE, UM, A POPUP AND A WORKSHOP.
UH, THAT SECOND POPUP WOULD BE AT THE COLONIAL SQUARE OFFICE PARK TENTATIVELY WE'LL, UM, SHOULD HAVE CONFIRMATION ON THAT TOMORROW.
AND THEN LASTLY, UM, A WORKSHOP THAT WILL BE HELD AT THE LIBRARY IN PARSLEY.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT NOW.
AND AGAIN, HOPEFULLY BY TOMORROW, ALL LOCATIONS AND TIMES WILL BE LOCKED IN
SO WE WANT TO TRY TO LOCK EVERYTHING DOWN TOMORROW, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ANOTHER, UH, CALL WITH OUR CONSULTANT TOMORROW.
AND YOU'RE GONNA EMAIL ALL THIS, RIGHT? YES.
AND WE'LL HAVE FLYERS AND OTHER MATERIALS.
AND ATTENDANCE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ISN'T REQUIRED.
THIS IS JUST INFORMATIONAL, SO, YEAH.
I JUST, I, I MAY WANT TO GO, I DON'T KNOW.
UH, THE SEAFOOD FESTIVAL, ARE THEY GONNA BE CALLING OUT NON-RESIDENTS WITH RESIDENTS, OR ARE THEY JUST GONNA BE TALKING TO WHOEVER? IT'S BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG NON-RESIDENT EVENT.
THEY ARE LOOKING TO SPEAK WITH A FEW VISITORS TO GET THEIR PERSPECTIVES AS WELL.
BUT, UM, I WOULD SAY MAINLY RESIDENTS.
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I WAS JUST CURIOUS.AND THEY'LL BE THERE AT THE BEGINNING WHEN FOLKS ARE FIRST COMING IN BEFORE THE FOOD STARTS, SO, YEAH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU GOTTA STAND IN LINE FOR YOUR LITTLE
I USED TO WORK THAT EVENT WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL.
I USED TO BE A TRASH BOY AT THAT EVENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME? NO, I GUESS NOT.
OUR, UH, OUR NEXT MEETING IS MAY 13TH.
WAIT, APRIL, I GUESS IT, IT'S, UH, APRIL 28TH.
IT'S OUR NEXT WORK SESSION AT 6:00 PM YES.
UM, I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.