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WHERE MR.[Planning Commission Regular Meeting on May 13, 2026.]
PETIT, MR. WHITE, AND MR. ROGERS MISSING.UM, DO WE, UH, HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR SUBTRACTIONS TO THE AGENDA? WE JUST HAVE ONE ITEM THAT, UH, UM, COUNTY PLANNER SHANTE REALLY BRIEFED YOU ON.
THIS IS JUST BASICALLY, UH, PRESENTING FOUR DATES FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL JOINT WORK SESSIONS WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND WE CAN HANDLE THAT AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
SO, UM, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH THE, WITH THE ADDITIONS? YES, WITH THE ADDITIONS OF THE DATES FOR THE JOINT PLAN.
WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE MINUTES OF APRIL 8TH, 2026.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? ALL I DON'T HAVE ANY.
WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
AND SECOND TO ACCEPT APRIL EIGHTH'S MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
OPPOSED? WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
AND WE HAVE MR. J MILLER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU'RE FROM AND YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES.
I LIVE IN, UM, MARKET STREET IN ON C**K.
UM, FIRST, FIRST I THING I'M WANTING TO SAY IS, UM, IT'S A CURIOUS POSITIONING OF HOW THE COMMENT GOES HERE.
UM, UM, BECAUSE IF, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT SUBSEQUENTLY THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, UM, WE SHOULD BE GOING, UH, LAST AS OPPOSED TO FIRST, BECAUSE NOW ANY QUESTIONS THAT I MIGHT HAVE OR ANY COMMENTS I MIGHT HAVE MIGHT GET ANSWERED HALF AN HOUR FROM NOW,
BUT THE REAL REASON WHY I WANT TO COMMENT IS, UH, UM, I, I'M LOOKING TO SEE IS IT ACTUALLY, IS IT, IS IT CORRECT TO SAY THAT THE, UM, UH, REZONING REQUEST, UM, THINGS THAT YOU HAVE IN THIS PACKET MUST BE TOTALLY COMPLETE BEFORE YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING? I'M AFRAID MY COMMENTS ARE KIND OF LIKE QUESTIONS.
WOULD THAT BE TRUE? UM, I CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS, I GUESS.
UM, THEY HAVE APPLICATION, AND THE APPLICATION HAS REQUIREMENTS AND TO GET TO A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, THE APPLICANT MUST, UH, MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, BUT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE, IN THE, UH, COMPLETE DOCUMENT.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, ANYTHING THAT'S PRESENTED TO THIS, UH, COMMITTEE.
UM, I SEE THAT IN THE PACKET THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE REZONING, UH, REQUESTS.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE QUITE LENGTHY AND YOU WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT THEN THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A COMPLETE DOCUMENT THEN BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY, UH, UH, CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, AND I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S CORRECT, AND IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD NEED TO, TO, TO MATCH, OR IT NEED TO BE COMPLETE AS PER THE, UM, THE, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT IS QUITE LENGTHY.
ALSO, FOR EXAMPLE, THINGS HAVING TO DO WITH STORM WATER RUNOFF, THAT THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A, A, UH, A, A COMPLETE EXPLANATION, UH, IN THAT DOCUMENT BEFORE YOU GO TO PUBLIC HEARING, THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU FOLKS, UM, UH, UH, IN ORDER TO, UH, UH, UH, PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE, UH, UH, THAT'S COMPLETE.
SO, UM, I'M AFRAID THAT, UM, THIS IS PROBABLY OUT OF ORDER A A LITTLE BIT THERE, AND I WAS JUST LOOKING TO TRY TO GET SOME, UM, SOME, SOME, SOME INFORMATION HERE.
AND, UH, AND FINALLY THE COMMENT IS, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE TIMING REQUIREMENTS ARE? UM, THAT I COULD NOT FIND WHERE, WHERE THE CLOCK STARTS, WHERE SOME OF THESE, WHEN THE APPLICATION IS MADE AND YOU HAVE A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, UM, AND, UH, THAT GETS, UH, PUT OFF IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE COMPLETE DOCUMENT, UH, YOU DO HAVE A COMPLETE DOCUMENT, YOU DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE DOCUMENT, BUT THE CLOCK IS STILL RUNNING.
I'M VERY CONFUSED AS TO HOW THAT, THAT WORKS.
UH, IF I'M MAKING MYSELF CLEAR ENOUGH.
WELL, I'M SORRY THAT, UH, THIS ISN'T WHAT I EXPECTED, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, GETTING INFORMATION BECAUSE THAT YOU CAN'T FIND, AT LEAST I COULDN'T FIND IT ANYWHERES IN THE, UM, THE, THE DOCUMENTATION THAT THE COUNTY HAS.
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OKAY.UM, I THINK STAFF CAN HELP YOU WITH THE QUESTIONS FOR THE TIMELINE.
UM, MAYBE AFTER, UH, IS THERE A, IS THERE A, A, A FORMALITY OR A PROCEDURE THAT I WOULD GO THROUGH TO TRY AND FIND THIS OUT? UH, JUST COLD CALL.
HE'S STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO ME.
YEAH, WE, WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS IT AFTER THE MEETING.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA LISTEN TO THE TAPE, TAKE HIS QUESTIONS DOWN, AND THEN RESPOND OKAY.
IN A, IN, YOU KNOW, IN A TIMELY FASHION.
BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT HERE AT THE PODIUM, RIGHT? IS THERE ANY, UH, ANYBODY ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO COME UP TO IN, UH, ANY OTHER, UH, GEEZ,
WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO, UH, OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AUTHOR BROTHER RUDDER, REMOVAL OF TAX MAP 1 0 8 DASH A DASH 12 FROM THE AGRICULTURAL FOREST DISTRICT.
UM, MY NAME'S, UH, C JONES CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR ZONING.
UH, THE FIRST CASE IS, UH, MR. RUDDER, I JUST SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
UH, MR. RUDDER IS THE OWNER AND THE APPLICANT.
THIS IS FOR TAX MAP, UH, 1 0 8 8 12.
UH, AND THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 127 ACRES IN THE CVILLE, A FD.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE SITE AND IT'S ZONED IN THE AGRI, OR IT'S, IT'S IN THE AG FORESTAL DISTRICT.
AND, UH, THIS IS, UH, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO.
BASICALLY WHAT THIS AMOUNTS TO IS WE'RE TAKING THIS LINE AND MOVING IT BACK SO THE APPLICANT CAN PLACE A, A, UH, HOUSE ON THIS PARCEL.
IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE WITHDRAWN FROM THE AG AND FORESTAL DISTRICT.
THIS IS JUST THE PROCESS BY WHICH WE REMOVE A PARCEL FROM THE DISTRICT.
AND THIS IS SUBDIVISION OF THE PARCEL.
UH, LANDLINE WITHIN A DISTRICT SHALL NOT BE SUBDIVIDED DURING THE PERIOD THAT SUCH DISTRICT EXISTS, EXCEPT THAT WITH THE PRIOR APPROVAL OF THE BOARD LOTS MEETING THE CRITERIA OF VIRGINIA CODE 15.2 DASH 2244, AND AKIMA COUNTY CODE SECTION 78 DASH 12 MAY BE SUBDIVIDED FOR USE BY AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OF THE OWNER OF SUCH LAND.
FURTHER LAND MAY BE DIVIDED OR SUBDIVIDED AND SOLD FOR CONTINUED AGRICULTURAL AND FORESTAL USE, SO LONG AS IT CONTINUES TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS ORDINANCE AND THE DISTRICT.
UM, SO FOR STAFF'S PART, UH, WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS.
UH, NUMBER ONE, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY PROPOSED TO ADD A DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, NUMBER TWO, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY WISH TO RELOCATE PROPERTY LINES IN ORDER TO MEET THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR SETBACKS.
AND NUMBER THREE, THE PARCELS ARE IN A FORESTAL DISTRICT AND WOULD NEED TO BE TAKEN OUTTA THE DISTRICT IN ORDER TO SUBDIVIDE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
STAFF IS NEUTRAL ON THIS REQUEST.
UH, IT IS THE APPLICANT'S DECISION TO WITHDRAW FROM THE A FD.
UM, THE AG AND FORESTAL DISTRICT COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THE PARCELS OR THE PARCEL BE WITHDRAWN FROM THE AG AND FORESTAL DISTRICT.
THAT IS THE MOTION I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
UH, MR. RUDDER'S NOT HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE, UM, I BELIEVE HIS SONS AND MR. ATOR, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM AS WELL.
SO THE APPLICANT'S NOT PRESENTING ANYTHING? NO.
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
UH, DID ANYBODY SIGN UP FOR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT.
SO, UH, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? HAVE THEY CROSSED ALL THEIR I'S AND DOTTED ALL THEIR T'S? UM, MR. GOVERNOR DONE HIS JOB CORRECTLY AND WELL, AS FAR AS WE COULD TELL, YES, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE SUBDIVISION APPROVED AND SIGNED BY THE SUBDIVISION AGENT, BUT THUS FAR, IT APPEARS THAT THEY'VE, THEY'RE ACTING INTO GOOD FAITH.
SO WE'RE IN THE NEXT T AND I TO BE CROSSED.
IS THERE, IT'S RIGHT ON THE BOARD.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO WITHDRAW PARCEL 1 0 8 DASHEA DASH 12 FROM THERA FIELD AGRICULTURE AND FORESTVILLE DISTRICT.
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NO MOTION.ANYBODY WANNA SECOND THAT? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
SECOND TO REMOVE IT FROM AG FOREST DISTRICT.
A CAN MOVE ON TO, UM, SEAN TAYLOR ON THE BEHALF OF BARBARA HATFIELD.
REMOVAL OF TAX MAP 11 DASH A DASH 29 A AND 11 A DASH 30 B FROM AG AND FOREST DISTRICT, OPEN PUBLIC.
SO, SO, UM, ADVOCATE'S, UH, MR. TAYLOR, HE'S ACTING ON BEHALF OF, UH, BARBARA J. HATFIELD.
IT IS 11 A 29 A, AND 11 A 30 B, AND APPROXIMATELY 26 ACRES.
THIS IS, UH, THE SITE AND ENCOMPASSES TWO PARCELS, 29 A'S HERE, 30 B'S DOWN THERE, AND IT'S IN AN A FD.
UM, AND THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT THEY WANNA DO.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO SUBDIVIDE THE PARCEL AND EVENTUALLY PLACE A HOUSE ON IT.
THEY DO HAVE A PROPOSED, UH, WELL AND SEPTIC AREA ON THE SITE FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARCEL.
AND THEN THIS IS SECTION 15, WITHDRAW A PARCEL FROM A DISTRICT.
AND THIS IS A SECTION, SECTION 11 SUBDIVISION OF A PARCEL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PREVIOUS CASE.
SO WE'LL GO TO STAFF FINDINGS.
THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY WISH TO SUBDIVIDE THE PARCEL IN ORDER TO DEED TO A RELATIVE.
SUBSEQUENTLY, THE NEW OWNERS INTEND TO BUILD ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE PARCELS ARE IN AN AG AND FORESTAL DISTRICT AND WOULD NEED TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THE DISTRICT IN ORDER TO SUBDIVIDE.
UH, STAFF IS NEUTRAL ON THE WITHDRAWAL OF THE PARCEL FROM THE A FD.
IT IS THE APPLICANT'S DECISION TO REMOVE THE PARCELS.
UH, THE AG FORESTAL DISTRICT COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THE PARCELS BE WITHDRAWN FROM THE A FD.
IF I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE MR. TAYLOR'S HERE AS WELL, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
AGAIN, THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO DO.
AND WE'RE THE LAST T AND I DOT CROSS.
YOU'RE, SO, YOU'RE THE SECOND TO LAST T AND I.
SO, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, ONCE WE GET THROUGH THAT, IT'S OVER.
DOES THE APPLICANT WANNA COME UP FOR ANYTHING? NO, NOT NECESSARILY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? STAFF? ALL RIGHT.
UH, HAS ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL CLOSE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NO MORE QUESTIONS.
I MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WITHDRAWAL OF PARCELS 11 DASH A DASH 29 A, 11 DASH A DASH 30 B FROM THE NEW CHURCH AGRICULTURE ENFORCED ALL DISTRICT.
I, I SECOND I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
ALL OPPOSED, WE CAN MOVE ON TO OTHER MATTERS IS THE REZONING OF 0 0 0 1 8 8 DASH 2025.
DUNCAN MANOR VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT REZONING FOR BUSINESS AND AG VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT, AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AND WAIVER REQUEST.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR OF MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
LEE PAN, THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO, SO AT OUR LAST MEETING ON, UH, I THINK IT WAS TUESDAY, APRIL 28TH, WE HELD A WORK SESSION DURING WHICH I WENT THROUGH, UH, THE, THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THE APPLICATION IN TERMS OF THE UNIT TYPES, THE LAYOUT, UH, UH, FOR BOTH OF THESE CASES, BOTH FOR DUNCAN MANOR AND FOR MARINER FARM.
MY INTENT TONIGHT IS ONLY TO GIVE YOU NEW INFORMATION THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE THEN.
YOU ALL HAVE THE, THE, UH, THE SAME PACKET FROM LAST, UH, FROM LAST TIME.
NONE OF THAT INFORMATION HAS CHANGED FOR THE DUNCAN MANOR BRIEFING, BUT THERE ARE SOME, UH, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE COME INTO SOME INFORMATION WITH REGARDS TO THE UTILITIES.
I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS LAST TIME ABOUT THAT, AND I HOPE THAT, UH, SOME OF THIS INFORMATION WILL ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UH, THIS IS THE STANDARD, UH, VITAL STATS TABLE OR CHART.
I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS AS EVERYONE'S ALREADY AWARE OF IT, BUT AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 50, ALMOST A 55 AND A HALF ACRE SITE, AND THEY WANT TO REZONE THAT FROM BUSINESS TO AG FOR BUSINESS AND AG TO VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN THERE IS ALSO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR DEVELOPMENT MORE THAN 50 UNITS.
WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE FOUR WAIVER REQUESTS, AGAIN, MORE, UM, UH, MORE VITAL STATS.
AND WE DID HOLD THE, UH, REQUESTED WORK SESSION ON TUESDAY, APRIL 28TH.
NOW, WITH REGARDS TO NEW INFORMATION, THREE PIECES OF INFORMATION, UH, THAT WAS, THAT ACTUALLY CAME ABOUT AFTER THE, UH, THE, THE PUBLICATION
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OF THE AGENDA.SO, NUMBER ONE, THERE WAS A, A QUESTION ABOUT THE WATER.
I SPOKE WITH THE INTERIM TOWN MANAGER, BILL PORTER.
UH, JUST FOR, JUST FOR THE FACTS OF WHAT ACTUALLY DID THE TOWN COUNCIL DO AT THEIR LAST MEETING.
NUMBER ONE, THEY REFERRED THE REQUEST FOR WATER SERVICE FROM, UH, FROM THE DEVELOPER, MR. CARBAUGH AND MR. OSKY TO THE TOWN PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER PART OF THAT REQUEST, UH, REMANDED DOWN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WAS FOR THEM TO CONSIDER SOME CRITERIA FOR THE EXTENSION OF WATER LINES OUTSIDE OF TOWN LIMITS.
UM, AS SUCH, THE DECISION TO SERVE IS STRICTLY WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE, UH, UH, TOWN OF INAN COX PURVIEW.
AND, UH, IF IT COMES OUT THAT, UH, UH, THAT THEY'RE UNABLE OR UNWILLING TO SERVE, THEN THE ALTERNATE OPTION IS TO CONSIDER AN ONSITE SOLUTION.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF THE SITE HAS TO BE REDESIGNED, THEN IT'S GOTTA BE REDESIGNED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO INCLUDE THAT.
WELL, IF THERE IS A BUILDING NEEDED FOR TREATMENT OF THE, UH, OF THE WITHDRAWN GROUNDWATER, UH, THEN, THEN, UH, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER.
UH, WITH REGARDS TO SEWER, MYSELF, THE OTHER DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AND FACILITIES, STUART HALL AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MIKE MASON, WE DISCUSSED THE, UH, THE ALLOCATION FOR NOT JUST THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT MR. CAR, MR. CARVAL'S, OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
SO, UH, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 100 AND ABOUT A HUNDRED EIGHTY SEVEN, A HUNDRED EIGHTY 8,000 GALLONS PER DAY, THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY HRSD.
UH, AND BECAUSE THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE QUITE LARGE, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS TO ESSENTIALLY PROVIDE MR. CARBAUGH, UH, WITH SOME ALLOCATIONS SO THAT HE COULD, YOU KNOW, SO THAT HE COULD HAVE SOME ASSURANCE THAT WE WOULD SERVE.
UH, HIS, HIS DEVELOPMENTS WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING HALF.
AND THEN IF YOU, UH, IF HE GETS TO THE POINT WHERE HE NEEDS ADDITIONAL, UH, ADDITIONAL CAPACITY OR ADDITIONAL ALLOCATION, THEN HE CAN, UH, COME TO, UH, COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR PUBLIC WORKS.
AND THEN WE WOULD SEE WHAT, HOW MUCH OF OUR ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY SEVEN, A HUNDRED EIGHTY 8,000 GALLONS WE STILL HAVE AVAILABLE.
AND THEN CONSIDER THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME TALKING POINTS HERE, DEVELOPER, WE'RE PROVIDING THE ALLOCATION TO HIM, AND THEN HE WILL PRIORITIZE HIS OWN PHASING.
SO WE'RE NOT DICTATING TO HIM START WITH THE APARTMENTS OR START WITH THE CONDOS OR THE SINGLE FAMILY OR THE DUPLEXES.
IT'S GONNA BE UP TO HIM TO FIGURE OUT, UH, WHAT THE, UM, WHAT HOUSING TYPES OR HOUSING PRODUCTS HE WANTS TO START WITH.
WE'RE WILLING TO GO, UH, TO A TWO YEAR WILL SERVE COMMITMENT AFTER THE TWO YEARS.
IF, UH, IF NOTHING HAS, UH, HAS STARTED, THEN WE WILL, THEN HE'LL COME BACK FOR AN EXTENSION OR A RENEWAL, AND WE WILL EVALUATE BASED OFF OF WHATEVER, UH, UH, CAPACITY IS REMAINING.
IF WE HAVE OTHER DEVELOPERS WHO, UH, WHO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, ASKED FOR A COMMITMENT.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, WHILE SUPPLIES LAST KIND OF, UH, UH, KIND OF, UH, SITUATIONS.
BUT, UH, WE, WE ARE COMMITTING TO A TWO YEAR WILL SERVE LETTER FOR HIS DEVELOPMENT.
AGAIN, FUTURE PHASES AND, AND COMMERCIAL, UH, WILL BE CONSIDERED AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'RE ONLY COMMITTING TO THE, UH, TO THE RESIDENTIAL.
LET'S SAY THAT HE COMES IN, UH, IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND, UH, UH, HE'S GOT A COMMERCIAL END USER FOR ONE OF THE PADS, THEN WE WOULD, UH, EVALUATE THAT ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.
AGAIN, THIS IS PRIMARILY ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL.
OUR PURPOSE, AGAIN, IS, IS NOT TO TIE UP OUR ENTIRE ALLOCATION FOR ONE DEVELOPER, BECAUSE, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS THAT HE HAS, HE COMES VERY CLOSE.
I THINK IT'S TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT 180,000 GALLONS PER DAY WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE DUNCAN MANOR, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, WITH THE DUNCAN MANOR MIXED USE, AND WITH THE COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES.
UH, IF WE WERE TO COMMIT ALL, UH, TO COMMIT THE ENTIRETY OF WHAT, UH, OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO SERVE THAT, THEN IT'S ABOUT 180,000 GALLONS, AGAIN, VERY CLOSE TO THE MAXIMUM, UH, THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO GIVE OUT, WHICH IS 188,000.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE DETERMINED WE CAN, UH, THAT, THAT THEY CAN SERVE, UH, IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS, SAY BETWEEN, UH, NASSAU, OR I SHOULD SAY BELLHAVEN, EXCUSE ME, IN AKIMA COUNTY UP THROUGH, UH, UH, THROUGH THE TOWN OF AKIMA.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE
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LABEL, ABOUT THE 17 PAGES, AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S AVAILABLE ON ENTER GOV.WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE DOCUMENT HERE, UH, IF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT.
BUT ALL OF THOSE PAGES WERE SIMPLY, UM, UH, UH, PLAN SHEETS.
THE, THE, UH, UH, IN A LOT OF THOSE PLAN SHEETS WERE AVAILABLE IN THE, UH, IN THE OTHER, UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT ALREADY.
BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY'S SAKE, AND WE ACTUALLY PUT THAT SHEET IN THERE TO SAY THAT WE HAD DID IN FACT, REMOVE THOSE SHEETS JUST TO GET THE FILE SIZE DOWN.
IT WAS ALL ABOUT EFFICIENCY OF, OF GETTING THE PACKET OUT.
BUT AGAIN, IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, THAT DOCUMENT IS AVAILABLE TONIGHT.
AND, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW EXHIBITS.
SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION ON ANY NEW INFORMATION WITH DUNCAN MANOR.
I CAN TRY TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME.
ALSO, MR. CARBAUGH IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? WHAT'S THE RULE FOR US ON THE WATER? SO MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, HE'S GOTTA HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER, EITHER TO THE TOWN OR ONSITE WATER, AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL WE SEE ONE OR THE OTHER.
IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT CORRECT? I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW HOW IT'S GONNA BE SERVED BY WATER.
SO THE INTERNAL WATER DISTRIBUTION NETWORK, YOU CAN DESIGN THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE ULTIMATE WATER SOURCE GOING TO BE? THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT EVIDENTLY IS PENDING TOWN OF TOWN OF AN C**K DECISION.
IF THAT, UM, IF IT'S NOT WITHIN THE DEVELOPER'S TIMEFRAME, THEN HE MAY ALSO, UH, HE'S, HE'S FREE TO, UH, UH, TO EXPLORE THE OTHER ONSITE OPTION.
SO SHOULD WE PUT THIS OFF UNTIL ONE OR THE OTHER OF THOSE COMES BEFORE US? WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
YEAH, I KNOW THAT'S A BIG QUESTION.
THAT IS WHY WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
THE, UH, I'M SORRY, THE, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT ACK COUNTY TOTAL ALLOCATION IS 180 7 7 20 PER DAY? YES, SIR.
SO, UM, SO WOULD THIS, WOULD THE DEVELOPER CONSIDER, UH, THE ONE OVER ONES TO JUST BE STANDARD TOWNHOUSES LIKE WE LIKE AS OPPOSED TO THE CONDO ARRANGEMENT TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF WATER USAGE? I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA REDUCE THE NUM, THE, THE WATER USAGE.
NOW, IF YOU'RE SAYING INSTEAD OF A ONE OVER ONE FOR, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S 140 CONDO UNITS.
SO IF THOSE WERE JUST ONE INSTEAD OF TWO, WOULDN'T THAT REDUCE THE WATER? IT WOULD REDUCE IT TO 70 AND IT WOULD REDUCE THE UNIT COUNT.
AND DO YOU THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED? I THINK THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE DEVELOPER AS TO WHAT HOUSING TYPES THAT HE WANTS TO BRING TO THE, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING WE HAVE ANY SAY OVER IT ALL? NO.
IT'S 1 8 7 7 20, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY OR FROM THE ONANCOCK AREA FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO THE ONANCOCK PLANT.
WHICH IS BASICALLY MACK SOUTH TO THE COUNTY LINE ALONG THE ENFORCEMENT.
SO AGAIN, AS I HAD MENTIONED IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, THERE ARE CERTAIN TOWNS THAT OPTED OUT OF, UH, OF, I GUESS AT SOME POINT COMMITTING TO A, UH, TO DEVELOPING A COLLECTION SYSTEM WITHIN THEIR BOUNDARIES.
UH, THERE ARE SOME WHO HAVE SAID IN THE FUTURE, WE MAY WANT TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS, AND HRSD HAS GRANTED THEM A CERTAIN ALLOCATION.
SO THIS ONE, EXMORE GETS A CERTAIN ALLOCATION.
SO THIS ONE DEVELOPER IS USING UP WITH HIS REQUEST AS IT IS CURRENTLY ALMOST ALL OF THE, WHAT ABOUT 90% OF THE, IT IS COUNTY'S ALLOCATION.
IF, IF WE WERE TO COMMIT TO SERVING IT, SERVING ALL OF THE UNITS TOGETHER, THEN WE WOULD ACTUALLY EXCEED THE 180, 87, 180 8.
WHICH IS WHY WE'VE COME BACK AND SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LARGE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU YEARS TO BUILD OUT.
YOU DO WHAT YOU CAN WITH THE HALF, AND THEN 5, 6, 7, HOWEVER, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, UH, HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES IN THE FUTURE TO GET TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT IT TAKES TO CONSUME.
HALF OF THE ALLOCATION THAT WE'VE GIVEN HIM.
HE CAN COME BACK AT THAT POINT AND SAY, OKAY, I'M DONE WITH THIS ALLOCATION.
MY NEXT PHASE IS I'M GONNA NEED ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER ANALYSIS OR A WILL SERVE LETTER.
AND AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD SAY, WE WOULD CHECK TO SEE HOW MUCH OF THAT ALLOCATION IS REMAINING.
UH, SO IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE BASIS, BUT WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, UH,
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WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY, UH, UH, ALLOWING JUST A, A FREE FOR ALL ON THE, UH, ON THE ALLOCATION, IF YOU WILL.SO, WITHOUT SAYING A TIMEFRAME, I MEAN, UM, CAPTAINS COVE'S BEEN AROUND FOR 50 YEARS AND THEY'RE STILL NOT FULLY BUILT OUT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T HAVE ALLOCATION, DOES THAT STOP THE PROCESS? DOES THAT MEAN WE DON'T BUILD ANYTHING ELSE? SO THAT ALLOCATION IS GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON WHAT THAT WATER AND SEWER, WHAT THOSE WATER AND SEWER PLANTS THAT AQUA, UH, THOSE ARE PRIVATELY OWNED PLANTS.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT MY CONCEPT IS, IS IT'S GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME TO BUILD THIS OUT.
SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY IN 20 YEARS, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY IN 20 YEARS, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO SAY WE CAN'T SERVE YOU, OR YOU HAVE TO EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS.
AGAIN, MOST LIKELY IN ONSITE SOLUTION, UH, FOR WATER AND SEWER, WHICH IS STILL A VIABLE OPTION, YOU KNOW, FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.
SO RIGHT NOW IS THAT, THAT DEPENDS A LOT FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT IS REALLY UP TO THE DEVELOPER TO DETERMINE.
SO IF IT WAS ENGINEERED NOW WITH, ON ONSITE SEWAGE, HOW MANY ACRES WOULD THAT TAKE? DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T.
OTHER QUESTIONS I GOT, I GOT ONE.
SO COASTAL SQUARES, HOW MANY DID WE SAY WE WERE GONNA ALLOCATE FOR THAT? SO 465 UNITS TIMES 250 GALLONS PER DAY IS ABOUT 116,000 GALLONS PER DAY.
I BELIEVE WE ARE COMMITTING TO ABOUT HALF.
WE ARE COMMITTING TO HALF OF THAT AT 58,000 GALLONS PER DAY.
WHAT DID WE COMMIT THE DAY WE APPROVED IT? WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS ALLOCATION AT THAT TIME AND, UH, UH, AT THAT TIME, BUT WE REALLY DIDN'T SAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE ALLOCATION WAS THERE TO SERVE ALL 465 UNITS.
SO A HUNDRED SIXTEEN'S ALREADY GONE TO THE FIRST ONE.
WELL, WE'RE PULLING THAT BACK TO 58,000.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THAT.
WELL, IS IT FAIR? WELL, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED WITH MR. CARBAUGH AND HE UNDERSTANDS THE POSITION THAT THE COUNTY'S IN WITH REGARDS TO THE BUDGETING OF THE ALLOCATION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE APPROVE, UH, DEVELOPMENTS WITH NO SEWER.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE HUNDREDS OF HOUSES AND COMMITMENT FROM THE COUNTY TO BUILD THIS AND NO SEWER IF THAT RUNS OUT, AGAIN, IT'S ON HIM.
IT'S ON HIM TO, UH, TO FIGURE OUT ANOTHER WAY.
BUT WE NEED, SO WE SHOULD START OFF THAT WAY.
NO, WE SHOULD HAVE A COMMITMENT OF WATER AND SEWER BEFORE WE APPROVE DEVELOPMENTS.
WE HAD 116,000 GALLONS APPROVED FOR COASTAL SQUARES.
HOW MUCH DOES THE, UM, OTHER DUNCAN MANOR, WELL, UH, DUNCAN MANOR 28, UH, UH, I'M SORRY, 29 UNITS, I BELIEVE THAT'S 7,250 GALLONS PER DAY AT TWO, 250 GALLONS PER DAY PER UNIT.
DOES ANYBODY USE THAT REAL, THAT MUCH WATER?
I'M, SO I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED ON HOW WE GAVE HIM ALL THAT AND ALLOCATION, AND NOW WE'RE TAKING IT BACK AND, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONFUSION, BUT I'VE ALSO CHECKED OTHER PAST REZONINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UM, THE MACK PROPERTIES REZONING AT, UH, AT, UM, UH, UH, RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THE STATE POLICE BARRACKS OR THE STATE POLICE OFFICE.
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE MENTION OF, OF, OF WATER OR SEWER IN THAT STAFF REPORT THAT I COULD FIND.
THAT WAS CLOSE TO, THAT WAS A VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT.
NO, UM, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS A REZONING FROM AG TO BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS A VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS.
WHERE, WHERE WAS IT? STATE POLICE STAND BY? STATE POLICE.
THE GUY NEVER FOLLOWED THROUGH.
HE GOT THE REZONING, LEE, EXCUSE ME, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED HERE.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ON DO ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD? THE 400 AND SOMETHING UNITS WE'RE, SO THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE, UM, UH, PRECEDENTS IN THE PAST WHERE, UH, REZONINGS HAVE BEEN GRANTED WITHOUT CONSIDERATION FOR WATER AND SEWER, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO CONSIDER 'EM BACK THEN.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT BACK THEN, DID WE? OR DID WE? YEAH, IF WE DID, DID THEN WE SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERED WATER AND SEWER.
AND IF IT CAME BACK TO US TODAY, WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER A WATER AND SEWER FOR IT.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE POINT THAT WE HAVEN'T IN THE PAST, BUT WHERE WE ARE NOW IS, UH,
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THAT WAS NOT A VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, AS I REMEMBER.IF IT WAS, WE NEED, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO LOOK THAT UP.
BUT THE, THE, THE, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS TODAY, RIGHT NOW, THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES US TO HAVE WATER AND SEWER, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE WATER AND SEWER, I'M CONFUSED AS TO HOW WE CAN PROPERLY MOVE THIS FORWARD TO THE BOARD WITHOUT A RESOLUTION TO THOSE TWO ITEMS. AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE RESOLUTION OF YOU GET HALF, BUT WE'RE ASKED TO CONSIDER THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF WE'RE NOT GONNA CONSIDER THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, THEN, THEN WE SHOULD CONSIDER THE HALF ON THIS ONE AND NOT THE WHOLE, BECAUSE WE CAN'T SUPPORT THE WHOLE.
SO THAT'S MY QUESTION IS WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DISCUSS.
AND, AND IF IT, IF IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO, GREAT.
IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION.
UM, THE DEVELOPERS HERE, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE DEVELOPERS SHOULD, UM, SHARE WHETHER THEY WOULD COMMIT, IF THEY DO RUN OUT, THAT THEY WOULD DEVELOP ON SITE OR, YOU KNOW, TO LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT IF THAT DOES HAPPEN, THIS IS X, Y, AND Z, BUT TO JUST NOT GIVE 'EM AN OPPORTUNITY, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR.
SO, AND I THINK, I BELIEVE I HEARD YOU SAY THAT IT WOULD BE TOTALLY UP TO THEM BECAUSE I GUESS THE FINANCIAL STANDPOINT OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, AND WHATEVER GOES ALONG WITH THAT AS FAR AS, AND, AND, AND THAT COMMENT WAS MADE TO, UH, COMMISSIONER TYLER'S, UH, UM, UH, HYPOTHETICAL ABOUT REDUCING OR, OR CHANGING THE HOUSING TYPE FROM A ONE OVER ONE, WHICH IS TWO UNITS DOWN TO A A DOWN TO A TOWNHOUSE WITHIN THE SAME FOOTPRINT.
WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY CUT THAT, UH, UM, USAGE IN HALF.
SO, MADAM, SHOULD I HAVE A QUESTION? WOULD THAT, OH, I'M SORRY.
SO FOR THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE IT AS, CAN ONSITE BE THE FIRST OPTION ON, UH, CAN IT BE THE FIRST OPTION? YEAH.
FIRST OPTION AND NOT CONSIDER THE YEAH, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE THE FIRST OPTION.
CAN WE RECOMMEND, BUT THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR, UH, PUBLIC OR CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT HAS TO BE ON SITE.
IT DOESN'T SAY IT HAS TO BE OFFSITE.
IT JUST SAYS CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER.
SO, SO WHAT I WAS IMPLYING IS IF WE OFFER THEM THE 180 7 AND THEY START TO BUILD AND THEY START TO MAXIMIZE, WHAT ARE THE DEVELOPERS GONNA SAY WHEN THEY GET TO THAT POINT? ARE THEY GOING TO OFFER SOME OTHER SOLUTION TO PROVIDE WHAT'S NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE TASK? OR ARE THEY GONNA STOP THE DEVELOPMENT WITH WHAT THEY HAVE? SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT.
OR, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, LIKE HE SAID, UM, CAPTAINS CODE, THEY HAVEN'T COMPLETED YET AND THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.
SO HOWEVER MANY YEARS IT MAY TAKE, YOU KNOW, IF IT TAKE FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS TO EVEN GET TO THAT CAPACITY MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, SO MUCH COULD CHANGE IN FIVE TO 10.
SO I'M JUST THINKING OF THE FUTURE PLANNING, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, THE FUTURE PLANNING, AND WE GOTTA LOOK IN THE FUTURE MM-HMM
AND WE DON'T KNOW IT, BUT WE GOT TO CONSIDER IT THAT THINGS WOULD CHANGE IN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS, OR 20 OR 30.
WELL, I JUST, YOU KNOW, THE SEWER FOR THE OFFICES THAT WERE BUILDING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS $125,000 FOR JUST A DRAIN FIELD.
SO I CAN'T IMAGINE IN 20 YEARS WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR ONSITE CENTRAL SEWAGE.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE, IF WE HAVE IT COMING AND IT'S COMING FROM HRSD AND WE HAVE THE ALLOCATION, I MEAN, I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE WE, WE SHOULD CONSIDER, IF WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER HALF, WE SHOULD CONSIDER HALF, THAT WOULD MEAN HALF THE PROJECT OR A DIFFERENT DESIGN OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR OUR ALLOCATION FROM THAT SOURCE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT
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PROPERTY OVER BY THE STATE, STATE POLICE IS A HUGE PROPERTY, AND THEY'D BE PLENTY OF ROOM TO PUT A LARGE CENTRAL SEWAGE ON, BUT I DON'T KNOW, AS THOUGH THIS ONE HAS, 'EM, HAS THE, THE ACREAGE FOR HOW, WHAT IS IT, TWO A HUNDRED TWELVE, A HUNDRED FIFTEEN UNITS OR WHAT, WHAT, HOW MANY UNITS TOTAL? 224 UNITS.AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER IT, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HOW THAT'S DONE, WHETHER WE HAVE ACTION ON IT, WHETHER WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.
IF STAFF COULD KIND OF DIG IN AND LET ME US KNOW WHAT ARE OUR, WHAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO THE COUNTY AND THE, AND TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS FOR HOW THIS IS GONNA BE LAID OUT IS I, IS, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS IN DETERMINING WHETHER THIS IS ABLE TO BE DONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CODE LEGAL, UH, JUST THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT KIND OF THING.
AND I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO, WE'LL DIG INTO IT.
HOW, HOW DO YOU TIE THAT YOU'RE ONLY GIVING 'EM HALF TO A PROJECT THAT THE DEVELOPER MAY SELL TO ANOTHER DEVELOPER OR PERSON, AND THEN THEY COME IN AND SAY, OH, I'M JUST GETTING A HALF SEWER.
I MEAN, HOW DO YOU TIE THAT CONDITION TO THROUGH THE WILL SERVE LETTER, AND THAT GOES WITH THE, WHERE DO YOU, WHERE DO YOU KEEP THAT
WHERE YOU, WHERE DOES THE NEXT PERSON WHO BUYS THIS DEVELOPMENT KNOW WHERE TO LOOK AT THIS? RIGHT.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE THAT IN OUR FILE, BUT AS THIS, AS IT'S TRANSITIONED TO A NEW OWNER, OR IT'S SOLD TO A NEW OWNER, UH, IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE, I WOULD EXPECT IF I WAS SOMEONE BUYING, UH, A DEVELOPMENT TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE CONSTRAINTS.
AND IF ONE OF THOSE CONSTRAINTS IS, UH, IS THE ABILITY TO, UH, TO BUILD BASED OFF OF, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, A WILL SERVE LETTER FOR, FOR SEWER, THAT, THAT SHOULD JUST BE PART OF THE, UH, PART OF THE TRANSACTION.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN THEY START COMING IN FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR, UM, UH, SITE PLAN APPROVAL, UH, FINAL PLAN APPROVAL GOING TOWARDS RECORDATION, THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, TO GO THROUGH HOW MANY LOTS ARE THEY GOING TO BE? ARE THEY GONNA BE, UH, UH, RECORDING, AND IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE IN PLACE PHYSICALLY WHAT BONDING IS REQUIRED, IF OR IF THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, BUILD OUT? SO THERE ARE CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THERE TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, TO CONSIDER THE SEWER ASPECT.
DID THE COUNTY GIVE, UH, COASTAL SQUARES A WILL SERVE LETTER? NO, NOT YET.
UM, UH, THIS WEEK AS WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING OUR HRSD ALLOCATIONS.
SO HOW DO YOU COMBINE ALL THREE DEVELOPMENTS TO ONE WILL SERVE, IT WOULD BE THREE SEPARATE, WILL SERVE LETTERS, AND THEY WOULD SAY IF YOU DEVELOP COASTAL SQUARES, THEN YOU DON'T GET SEWER FOR DUNCAN MANOR? NO, IT WOULD SAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF GALLONS PER DAY FOR DUNCAN MANOR, A SINGLE FAMILY, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF GALLONS PER DAY FOR DUNCAN MANOR MIXED USE AND A CERTAIN NUMBER OF GALLONS PER DAY FOR COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES.
WE'VE ALSO FACTORED IN, UM, OH, WELL, I'M SORRY.
WE HAVEN'T FACTORED IN, UH, COMMERCIAL.
AGAIN, AS I HAD MENTIONED, IF SOMEONE, IF, UH, THE DEVELOPER COMES IN AND SAYS, WELL, WE'VE GOT, UM, WE'VE GOT A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WHO WANTS TO COME IN, THEN WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT ON A, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, OR MAYBE A COURTYARD BY MARRIOTT OUT THERE ON THE ROAD BY COASTAL SQUARE.
WOULDN'T IT BE NICE? IT'D BE FABULOUS.
SEEMS LIKE WE'VE COMMITTED TO THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND NOW WE'RE, WE'RE BACKING OUT, YOU KNOW, ON THE SEWER.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER HALF.
I DON'T, THERE'S GOTTA BE A RESOLUTION TO THAT EXCEPT TO MR.
WELL, AGAIN, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE OTHER DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, BUT TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT DIGGING INTO IT, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
WE SHOULD, UH, BE ASKING WHEN THEY COME WITH THESE, UH, VARIOUS DEVELOPMENTS, HOW MUCH SEWAGE, THE WATER CAPACITY WE HAVE LEFT, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
THAT SHOULD BE OPEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TALKING ABOUT LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS.
'CAUSE THAT'S COMMUNITY IMPACT
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OKAY.SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TODAY.
DO YOU OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. CARBO IS ALSO HERE.
SO DOES HE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, MR. CARBO? SO, UH, MACK AND THE WA CREEK SPUR ARE BEING CONSIDERED IN THE, NOT IN MACK COUNTY'S, UH, ALLOCATION.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ALLOCATIONS.
BELLHAVEN DOESN'T HAVE AN ALLOCATION.
YOU KNOW, RSD NEVER HEARD FROM THEM OR RIGHT.
SO MACK, UM, UH, AND, UH, RIGGER THE TWO THAT I KNOW, I DO NOT BELIEVE THE TOWN OF QUESTION.
SO THEY'RE IN ADDITION TO THE 180 7, THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE 180 7? THAT'S CORRECT.
IS ANY OF YOUR 180 7 USED UP THERE IS EXISTING FLOW FROM, UH, FROM THE HOSPITAL FROM, UH, UH, I BELIEVE FOUR CORNERS PLAZA AND, UH, MAYBE SOME EXISTING FLOW FROM, UM, UH, FROM A COUPLE OF LOTS IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK BY THE AIRPORT.
I THOUGHT FOUR CORNERS WENT INTO THAT BIG DRAIN FIELD OUT BEHIND THEM.
I KNOW THEY DID HAVE A BIG DRAIN FIELD OUT BACK.
UH, BUT TO, UH, UH, CHAIRWOMAN WING FIELD'S QUESTION ABOUT OTHER, UH, ALLOCATION THAT'S, UH, THAT'S BEING USED UP IN THE 1 8 7 7 20.
UH, WE HAVE FIGURED THAT TO BE 46,000 GALLONS.
SO THAT SUBTRACT FROM 180 7 TO 46,000 IS BEING SUBTRACTED.
SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, ZERO, A HUNDRED, 4,000, 40,000, I'M SORRY, ANGELA.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE OTHER, WE, WE WE'RE RESERVING RESERVING ALLOCATION FOR THE WHISPERING PINE SITE.
WE'RE RESERVING ALLOCATION FOR, UH, FOR UM, UH, THE WHISPERING PINE SITE.
CAN WE GET A LIST OF EVERYTHING YOU'VE GOT RESERVED AND WHAT WE'RE USING AND HOW MUCH IS LEFT? SURE.
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING.
AND ALSO TO, TO HIGHLIGHT, I'LL JUST REREADING THIS, THE COUNTY HAS COMMITTED TO PROVIDING SEWER SERVICE TO HALF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, WHICH IS ONE 12.
SO WAS THAT JUST A LAUNCHING PAD TO JUST START AND THEN AS IT PROCEEDS, DEPENDING UPON ALL THE OTHER ALLOCATIONS THAT IT MAY RUN OUT, AND SO THEN POSSIBLY THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO PUT THE OTHER 112 ON HOLD UNTIL THEY, I GUESS, COME TO US OR GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR OR PRESENT, UM, SOMETHING WHERE THEY WOULD, UH, PROVIDE THE BOARD AND SEWERS? THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, UH, IF THEY GET TO HALF AND THEY SAY, OKAY, WE'VE GONE TO THE HALFWAY POINT.
IS THERE ANY ALLOCATION LEFT? AND IF WE SAY NO, OR IF WE SAY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF ALLOCATION LEFT THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO, TO PROVIDE, UH, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE DEVELOPER TO DETERMINE HOW TO CLOSE THAT GAP TO WHATEVER POINT HE WANTS TO DEVELOP.
SO BECAUSE TO HALF AND HE WANTS TO DEVELOP ANOTHER QUARTER, AND IF WE HAVE A QUARTER AVAILABLE, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AT THAT TIME.
BUT IF WE ONLY HAVE, UH, AN EIGHTH AVAILABLE, BUT HE REALLY WANTS THAT LAST EIGHTH, THEN YOU GOTTA FIGURE IT OUT.
I'M WONDER IF ANY DEVELOPER EVER SHOW UP AND SAY, I'M GONNA BUILD A SEWER PLAN THAT DIDN'T HAVE IT.
I KNOW THAT'S A GOVERNMENT JOB.
PROVE SOMEBODY BUILDING A HOUSE ON A PIECE OF LAND.
WE DIDN'T, UH, HAVE SEWER ALREADY SIGNED OFF ON.
THEY, THEY ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION OF DOING AN ONSITE WELL AND SEPTIC IF THE, IF THE SPACE IS AVAILABLE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY.
SO IF HE'S LOOKING AT 60, SOME SINGLE FAMILY, OR I SHOULD SAY 80, SOME SINGLE FAMILY AND SEWER ALLOCATION RUNS OUT, THEY CAN, THEY CAN GO TO ONSITE, UH, THEY CAN GO TO AN ONSITE WELL IN SEPTIC IF THEY HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR DRAINING, IF THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM.
NOW IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT TYPE THAT IS HIGHER DENSITY FOR THE TOWNHOUSES OR THE CONDOS THAT WE ACTUALLY REQUIRE CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER FOR THEN, BUT YOU COULD DO CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER JUST NOT FROM HRSD OR FROM THE TOWN.
AND YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD YOUR OWN.
AND YOU NEED SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LAND FOR THAT KIND OF A DRAIN FIELD.
SO THAT'S THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE.
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THAT WOULD HAPPEN AND THEY HAVE TO REDUCE THE 2 24 IN ORDER TO USE LAND, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US IN ORDER TO BUILD A YES.SO IF THE SITE HAS TO BE REDESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE AN ONSITE SOLUTION, THEN WE WOULD EXPECT THEM TO COME BACK.
AND THEN, SO THE TIME THE CLOCK IS TICKING ON COASTAL SQUARE BEFORE HE HAS TO COME BACK HERE AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CAN YOU HEAR FROM MR. CARBO? SURE.
MR. CARBO, LET COME UP AND GOOD EVENING.
UM, JUST TO BE BE CLEAR, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, OSKY GROUP.
UM, ALTHOUGH WE ARE PART OF THE, UH, COASTAL SQUARE PROJECT, WE'RE NOT PART OF THE, UH, DUNCAN MANOR PROJECT.
UH, OSKY GROUP IS THE APPLICANT AND DEVELOPER FOR DUNCAN MANOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, YOU KNOW, STAFF HAS GIVEN YOU A GREAT OVERVIEW OF THE, OF THE PROJECT.
UM, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP, COME ABOUT.
UM, YES, WE JUST DID, DID HEAR FROM, UM, UM, STAFF TODAY ABOUT, UM, THE SEWER ALLOCATIONS.
UM, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY TO, TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE RESPOND TO SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS ON, ON THAT, THAT FRONT.
UM, IT IS IMPORTANT TO PLAN A PROJECT FOR THE ULTIMATE DEVELOPMENT.
I'M GONNA USE X MORE AS A PERFECT EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW, THAT IF BASICALLY UNDERSIZED THEIR COLLECTION SYSTEM IN THEIR TOWN, UM, NOT PLANNING FOR ANY OTHER GROWTH, AND NOW THEY ARE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY'RE STUCK WITH AN UNDERSIZED COLLECTION SYSTEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, JUST LIKE CAPTAINS COVE WAS DONE, UM, CAPTAINS COAST SEWER PLANT HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED TO SERVE ALL IT NEEDS TO, TO ACCOMMODATE IN CAPTAIN'S COVE.
UM, BUT THERE'S LOTS THERE IT NEEDS TO SERVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING WHERE, YOU KNOW, YES, YOU NEED TO HAVE ASSURANCES BEFORE YOU CAN MOVE ON TO ANY FUTURE PHASE THAT YOU HAVE THE WATER AND SEWER BEFORE YOU GO ON.
BUT TO PLAN THAT PROJECT RIGHT NOW FOR WHAT IT ULTIMATELY COULD BE AND SHOULD BE TO BRING THE RIGHT HOUSING TYPES TO MIMA COUNTY, I THINK THIS IS A CRITICAL STEP.
WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO DO, YOU KNOW, UH, AS IT COMES TO THIS PROJECT.
I MEAN, LOOK, IT TAKES TWO PLUS YEARS TO GET THESE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, AS FAR AS SEWER, I THINK IT'S THE, THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
DO WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THE ACCOMMODATIONS ARE, ARE THERE, DO WE POSSIBLY HAVE TO WORK WITH HRSD TO FIND THIS SOLUTION TO MAKE SURE THIS WORKS? HRSD HAS TAKEN A BIG BROAD STROKE AT THIS SEWER SERVICE TO THE COUNTY.
I MEAN, A LOT'S BEEN ALLOCATED TO DIFFERENT SPOTS, BUT THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THERE'S NOT MUCH GONNA HAPPEN IN SOME OF THOSE SPOTS.
DO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES? YES.
CAN I BUILD A SMALL LOT OR A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT WITHOUT THAT SEWER IN PLACE? NO, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
THIS IS THE KIND OF HOUSING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS CALLED FOR ANY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
IT'S THE ONLY TYPE OF HOUSING THAT WE CAN GET IN THAT MORE AFFORDABLE RANGE OF HOUSING.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF I JUST GOTTA GO BIGGER LOTS, HEY, IT'S GONNA GET MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE.
IF YES, IF WE GOTTA COME IN AND DO AN ONSITE SEWER SOLUTION, IT'S GONNA GET MORE EXPENSIVE.
BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER WITH STAFF, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH HRSD AND COME TO A SOLUTION ON THE SEWER FRONT.
YES, WE'VE BEEN BEFORE IN C**K ON THE WATER, UM, THEY REFERRED IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HOPE THEY COME BACK AND THERE'S A, A, A FAVORABLE, UM, DECISION MADE ON THE WATERFRONT.
UM, IT MAKES SENSE AS WE DESCRIBED TO A C**K TO, TO MAKE THIS CONNECTION.
ONE, BECAUSE IT CREATES A LOOP SYSTEM AROUND COASTAL SQUARE, AROUND THROUGH THE HOSPITAL THAT MAKES BETTER WATER PRESSURE, IT MAKES BETTER WATER QUALITY, IT PROVIDES REDUNDANCY.
IF THERE'S A WATER MAIN BREAK RIGHT NOW AT THAT HOSPITAL, THAT THAT LINE GOING AFTER THERE, THEY GET NO WATER.
SO WE'RE CONFIDENT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
AND IT WAS PROPOSED NOT JUST BY US, BUT BY AIMA COUNTY, BY EVERYBODY THAT BECOMES A LOOP SYSTEM.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BRING THAT TO
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FRUITION.BUT IF THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN, YES, WE CAN DO AN ONSITE WATER SYSTEM.
UM, AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE DO IT CHEAPER THAN PAYING THE CONNECTION FEES TO THE TOWN OF, IN C**K, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN CONNECTION FEES TO THE TOWN OF HANCOCK.
IT'D BE ABOUT $142,000 IN USER FEES AT BUILD OUT.
UM, AND IT'D BE $1.5 MILLION IN WATER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE GRANTED TO AN C**K AT THE DEVELOPER'S EXPENSE.
I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD BENEFIT.
AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING WHERE AN C**K HAS OBTAIN A PERMIT BY TO, FOR AN ADDITIONAL WITHDRAWAL, ABOUT 120,000 GOWNS.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE GOING ON IN THE C**K THAT'S GONNA NEED THAT 120,000 GOWNS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO UTILIZE THAT AND, AND HELP THE COUNTY WITH THEIR GROWTH AND HOUSING SITUATION, WE HOPE THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES.
BUT AGAIN, IF IT DOESN'T, WE'RE PREPARED TO GO IN WITH AN ONSITE WATER SYSTEM AND SERVE THIS PROJECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WHAT IT TOOK RIGHT NOW FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
IF WE MAKE THE DECISION, WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THE CENTRAL WATER SYSTEM.
IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES, THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO.
I CAN MAKE THAT CALL TODAY AND IF AN HANCOCK COMES BACK AND SAYS THEY WANNA SERVE THIS, THEN WE'LL GO GO BACK TO THAT ROUTE.
UM, THERE'S A WAY WE CAN WORK THROUGH THIS.
AGAIN, THE RESERVE IS THE FIRST STEP.
WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER QUESTIONS TO GET THROUGH THE FINAL ENGINEERING AND DESIGN OF A PROJECT LIKE THIS TO MAKE IT WORK.
BUT WHAT IS NOT RIGHT TO DO RIGHT NOW IS TO SAY, LISTEN, WE JUST WANNA CONSIDER A SMALL PORTION OF THAT PROJECT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY INSURANCES THAT WE CAN GO SUBJECT TO HAVING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE, WHY WOULD WE BE PUTTING IN THE, THE, THE WRONG SIZE, WATER LINES, WRONG SIZE, SEWER LINES, BE NOT DOING WHAT IS REQUIRED OF US, OF VDOT BASED UPON TRAFFIC.
I MEAN, THE VDOT REQUIREMENTS PUT ON OUR DEVELOPMENTS ARE ENORMOUS AND IT'S ALL SUBJECT TO WHAT THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT IS.
AND IF WE HAVE NO GUARANTEE THAT THAT PROJECT HAS A CHANCE TO GETTING APPROVED, WHY WOULD WE BE SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN OF BON C**K AND ONLY IN PROVEN ROADS? IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA WORK OUT WELL.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE NEED TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION AS A GROUP.
YES, WE KNOW WE GOTTA, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE CAPACITY AND YOU SHOULD FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN'T GO FORWARD OR WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPACITY.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS ON, ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE FRONT.
OPENS UP A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON AFFORDABILITY BECAUSE NOBODY'S DEFINED AFFORDABILITY FOR IT DOES, AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT, WE TALKED WITH THE BUILDER TODAY AND WITH WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, LUMBER PRICES TODAY, TODAY WENT UP 20%.
SO EVERY, EVERY, AND YOU AND, AND, AND SO NOBODY'S REALLY DEFINED AFFORDABLE SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
I'LL, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT IT SINCE WE'RE HERE.
UM, 18% OF OUR POPULATION IS BELOW THE NIH FEDERAL PROPERTY LINE.
SOME OF THE BEST PAYING JOBS ARE AT PURDUE.
THEY'RE STARTING OUT AT $22 AN HOUR.
SOME OF 'EM ARE GOING UP TO $40 AN HOUR.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING THAT'S GONNA COST ANYWHERE FROM 250 TO 300,000 OR MORE.
WE DON'T HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITY HERE.
AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS NOT GONNA SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
BUT I LIKE THE, THE FACT THAT WE ARE TRYING, BUT IT IS OUTSIDE OF OUR REACH TO OBTAIN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE EASTERN SHORE.
WELL, HERE, HERE, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT EXTENT.
I MEAN, I'M SURE YOU GUYS HERE, I'M, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON PROJECTS UP AND DOWN THE SHORE, UM, AND WHAT ALL WE CAN PROMISE IS TO BRING THE MOST AFFORDABLE PRODUCT WE CAN TO YOUR COMMUNITY.
WE CAN'T SOLVE ALL THE HOUSING PROBLEMS ON THE SHORE.
YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE.
THERE'S SUBSIDIZED HOUSING, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PEOPLE NEED TO STEP UP AND DO.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSING STUDY, THE BIGGEST GAP, THE BIGGEST SHORTAGE IS THE RANGE OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS WHAT THE AAC NORTH HAN PLANNING DISTRICT STUDY SAID.
SO THAT IS THE BIGGEST GAP, THAT 80 TO 120%, THAT'S WHERE MOST OF OUR HOUSING SHORTAGE IS PER THAT STUDY.
SO WE DO RELY ON THAT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BUT AGAIN, I CAN'T SOLVE EVERYTHING.
BUT THAT'S THE RANGE WE THINK WE COULD MAKE A BIG DENT IN IS THAT RANGE.
WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK TO DO.
HOPEFULLY YOUR COMP PLAN, YOU KNOW, COMES UP WITH SOME GOOD IDEAS AND SOME SOLUTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, JUST IN THE ONLY AN C**K AREA, YES, WE GOT TIME.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
SO WE CAN WORK ON THOSE SOLUTIONS.
LIKE I SAID, WHATEVER WE GOTTA DO WITH STAFF WITH HRSD, WITH OUR OWN SYSTEMS, WE WORK THROUGH THAT.
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TO HAVE THAT VISION AND GUIDE US TO GET TO THE ANSWERS WE NEED TO GET TO IS ONLY DELAYING THE PROBLEM.AND CHANCES ARE OUR HOUSING'S JUST GONNA GET MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE.
THE SITUATION'S GONNA GET WORSE OVER TIME.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I ASKED STAFF TO CLARIFY THIS BECAUSE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT HAS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS AND IF THESE, AND IF STAFF COMES BACK AND SAYS THAT THESE ARE ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENTS, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF HAMSTRUNG AS AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT WE CAN'T DO.
AND SO STAFF IS GONNA COME BACK TO US AS LEE SAID WITH THAT ANSWER.
I MEAN, I, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE IS TRYING TO BE OBSTINATE OR PROBLEMATIC, BUT WE HAVE THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT LAID OUT FOR US AND UNTIL THAT CHANGES, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN.
AND I DON'T KNOW AS THOUGH HALF IS WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO.
AND STAFF'S GONNA COME BACK WITH THAT ANSWER, IF THAT'S FAIR.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN I, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE HEARD, UH, FROM STAFF TODAY ABOUT THEIR PROPOSAL.
UM, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, TALK MORE WITH STAFF AND, UH, I'M SURE WE'LL OBVIOUSLY BE, BE TALKING ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, IN FUTURE MEETINGS.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO, TO MAKE THIS WORK.
I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY COULD DO IT ALONE.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO IT ALONE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH HRSD, WE GOTTA DO THIS TOGETHER AND WE CAN DO IT.
AND WE, I MEAN, I, AND WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT RULES, REGULATIONS, AND PROCESSES THAT HAVE BEEN LAID OUT BEFORE.
UNDERSTANDING THE REZONING IS JUST THE REZONING THAT ISN'T A FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
IT'S, IT'S, IT DOESN'T GIVE US THE RIGHTS TO DO ANYTHING.
I STILL GOTTA GO DO ALL THAT ENGINEERING, ALL THAT PLATTING TO GET TO A RECORD PLAT.
I MEAN THAT'S WHEN THINGS BECOME PRETTY FINAL AT A RECORD PLAT, THE REZONING JUST SAYS THESE ARE THE USES AND THIS IS THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT PROJECT'S GONNA BE.
THAT'S WHAT THE REZONING BASICALLY IS.
I THINK WHAT THESE TWO ITEMS WILL TELL US.
IF VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT TO REZONE THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE TWO ITEMS, WHETHER IT'S ON SITE OR FROM SOMEBODY ELSE AND WE CAN'T RE REZONE IT ACCORDING TO WHAT I'M READING IN THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
AND STAFF'S GONNA ILLUMINATE ME ON THAT THE NEXT TIME I'M HERE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU KNOW I CAN ANSWER PERTAINING TO MR. ROTOR CHOW'S PROPOSAL? YEAH, I'VE SEEN, UH, I DIDN'T SEE A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.
DO YOU HAVE HAVE ONE OF THOSE? YES.
STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN THE RESOURCE QUALITY PROTECTION COURT AS FAR AS A, A CONCEPT.
AND ON ALL OF OUR SITE PLANS, WE BASICALLY SHOWED OUR STORM WATER, UH, FACILITIES WHERE THEY'D BE LOCATED ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO ALL YOUR STORM WATER GONNA BE RETAINED ON THE PONDS.
IT HAS TO BE, WE'D NEVER GET A PERMIT TO BUILD THIS IF WE DID NOT DO IT TO MEET D EQ REQUIREMENTS.
CAN'T GET A PERMIT TO BUILD IT CAN'T MOVE DIRT UNTIL I GET THAT PERMIT APPROVAL.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF SOME OF IT WAS GOING TO A NANKA, SOME OF YOUR NO, CAN'T DO THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANKS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE I DO HAVE ONE? YES MA'AM.
THE MACK MANOR THAT'S, UM, MANAGED BY MACK COUNTY, CORRECT? IT'S NOT MANAGED BY MACK COUNTY.
WHAT IS THE SEPTIC AND SEWER THERE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? THAT'S AN ONSITE.
IS THAT A VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT? NO.
THAT WAS DONE WAY BEFORE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT CAME IN.
ALRIGHT, SO I GUESS NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE REZONING OF 0 0 0 5 6 2006 MAN MARINER FARM VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT REZONING AND PROFFER AMENDMENT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR DEVELOP VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT WITH WAIVER REQUEST.
NOT GONNA GO OVER THE, UH, UM, UH, THE PARTICULARS OF THE PROJECT.
I'M ONLY GONNA GO OVER WHAT'S NEW INFORMATION AND UH, WE HEARD FROM THE, UH, FROM THE DEVELOPERS' ATTORNEY EARLIER THIS WEEK ON MONDAY.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME EMAILS GOING BACK AND FORTH TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THEIR RESPONSES.
BUT, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT WE WANT TO ADDRESS 11 SPECIFIC POINTS.
UH, SOME OF THESE WERE FROM STAFF, SOME OF THESE WERE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, WE HAD REQUEST, SO THE STAFF HAD REQUESTED A REVISED VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT REPORT THAT'S STILL PENDING.
THEY'VE KNOWN ABOUT THAT FOR, UH, FOR A FEW WEEKS NOW.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUESTED A PLAN WITH LOT DIMENSIONS AND WE PUT FORTH THAT, UH, REQUEST TO THEM AS ESSENTIALLY A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT SHOWS ALL OF THE LOTS
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IN THE LAYOUT WITH DIMENSIONS.I THINK THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT AND THAT'S WHAT WE REQUESTED.
AND WHAT THEY HAD DONE WAS THAT THEY HAD REVISED THE DETAIL IN THE UPPER MIDDLE PART OF THE PLAN TO, UH, TO SHOW TYPICAL LOTS.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED FOR.
SO I HAD MENTIONED THAT TO THEIR ATTORNEY THIS AFTERNOON AND WHAT THEY HAD ASKED WAS IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD ACCEPT DIMENSIONS OF THE PADS CONTAINING EACH STICK OF TOWNHOUSES.
WHEN WE GET TO THEIR REVISED LAYOUT.
I'LL SHOW YOU, UH, BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT AGAIN, THE STAFF HAD REQUESTED A PLAN THAT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT WOULD'VE PROVIDED YOU THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR.
UH, ON THE, UH, THIRD POINT PLANNING COMMISSION HAD ALSO ASKED FOR AN OPEN SPACE PLAN.
WE'D ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE THE PERCENTAGES CALCULATED ON WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE, OF THE DEVELOPMENT WAS OPEN SPACE AND WHAT THEIR RESPONSE WAS.
UH, NOTES TO BE ADDED TO THE CONCEPT PLAN SHOWING MINIMUM REQUIRED RATIO AND SQUARE FOOTAGE OF VILLAGE GREEN SPACE, LISTING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH GREEN SPACE AREA TO SHOW THAT MINIMUM RATIO AND SQUARE FOOTAGE IS EXCEEDED.
UM, AGAIN, WE HAD, UH, UH, ASKED THEM SPECIFICALLY, THE STAFF HAD ASKED THEM SPECIFICALLY ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A, FOR AN OPEN, UH, AN OPEN SPACE PLAN WITH PERCENTAGES, AND THAT THAT WAS THEIR RESPONSE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE PLAN THAT, UH, THEY DID NOT PROVIDE THE PLAN THAT WAS ASKED FOR.
UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE PLUS OR MINUS 10 FOOT SETBACK ON THE LOT DETAIL THAT WAS REVISED AS REQUESTED.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED THE, UH, ASKED THE DEVELOPER TO DELETE THE TRAILS BEHIND THE UNITS, AND THEY DELETED THOSE AS REQUESTED CAPTAINS.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, WHO THE, UH, LOT WAS GONNA BE DEDICATED TO THE EMS LOT ALONG, UH, STATE LINE ROAD, AND THEY WILL, THEY INTEND ON DEDICATING THAT TO THE GREENBACK VA VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY.
AND BELIEVE THE QUESTION ALSO, UH, AT THE WORK SESSION WAS, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR LOT MAINTENANCE? THE CONDITION OF THE LOT, IF THE GRASS GROWS TOO TALL, THEN WHO GETS CALLED? IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT GETS CALLED.
AND IN THIS CASE, AFTER DEDICATION TO OR AFTER, UH, YEAH, AFTER DEDICATION, UH, TO THE GREENBACK MILL VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
BUT THEY DIDN'T GET GETTING BACK TO, SORRY, THEY DIDN'T GIVE YOU ANY SPECIFICS, IS WHAT? WELL, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS PRETTY SIMPLE IN TERMS OF THE, UH, GREENVILLE OR THE, THE EMS LOT DEDICATION.
NO, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE AND ALL THAT.
UM, POINT NUMBER SEVEN, AGAIN, WITH REGARDS TO THE WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES AND AVAILABILITY, UH, THAT WOULD BE THROUGH THAT PRIVATE COMPANY THAT'S GOT, UH, THAT'S GOT, UM, A WATER PLANT AND A SEWER PLANT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
AQUA, THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO GET THAT LETTER FROM AQUA.
SO THAT ITEM IS STILL PENDING.
SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT, UH, THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST, UH, AT THE WORK SESSION, WE TALKED ABOUT SIDEWALK.
THEY HAD MENTIONED SOME, UH, SOME, UH, UH, UH, SOME TOPOGRAPHICAL ISSUES WITH PROVIDING SIDEWALK.
THEIR, UH, THEIR BASIC RESPONSE IS THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING A TRAIL NETWORK AS A SUBSTITUTE, AND SINCE THEN, THEY'VE ACTUALLY REDUCED THAT TRAIL NETWORK IN SCOPE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S REQUEST.
I HAD MENTIONED ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION OF ADDITIONAL PARKING, AND THERE WAS NO CONSIDERATION OR, OR NO CHANGE IN THE REVISED, UH, REVISED LAYOUT FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL PARKING
SO, UH, EVEN THOUGH THE PLAN MEETS THE REQUIREMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS, WE HAD ALL RECOGNIZED AT THE WORK SESSION THAT THERE MAY BE GUESTS, UH, UH, RESIDENTS MAY OWN MORE THAN TWO CARS.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF, THOSE KINDS OF SITUATIONS.
UM, BUT WE DID NOTICE, UH, ON, AT THE STAFF LEVEL THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING, YOU KNOW, IT FAVORS CERTAIN PARTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, AND I'LL, I'LL DEMONSTRATE OR ILLUSTRATE HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.
UM, UH, STAFF BELIEVES THAT IT COULD BE MORE EVENLY DISTRIBUTED, DISTRIBUTED, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS WAS ADDRESSED AT THE WORK SESSION.
NO ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS WERE PROPO WERE PROPOSED THEN, AND NO ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS WERE PROPOSED.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, ARCHITECTURE AT THE LAST, UH, WITH, WITH THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, UH, RENDERINGS WERE
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PROVIDED TO, TO, UH, ILLUSTRATE WHAT THE UNITS WOULD LOOK LIKE.WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED IS A PROFFER, UH, WORDED AS SUCH.
IT HAS NOT GONE ON TO A SIGNED PROFFER STATEMENT AT THIS POINT, BUT I'VE BEEN ASKED TO, UH, UH, GET THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S OPINION ON A PROFFER FORT ARCHITECTURE THAT READS AS SUCH.
UH, AFTER SELECTION OF A BUILDER OR BUILDER'S ELEVATION, DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS INFORMATION FOR EACH BUILDER WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE AKIMA COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDATION TO A DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR HIS DESIGNEE.
UM, THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE REZONING, THAT WAS JUST A PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD RIGHT.
THEY'RE WILLING TO PROFFER THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT WE CAN IMPOSE, BUT SINCE THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, THAT WAS THEIR SOLUTION INSTEAD OF PROVIDING, UH, ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS UPFRONT AT THIS STAGE.
AND HERE IS THE REVISED, UM, HERE IS THE REVISED LAYOUT.
SO, UH, SHANTE, IF YOU COULD JUST ZOOM IN ON THE LAYOUT ITSELF AND, UH, LET'S BACK OUT ONE.
SO IF YOU RECALL, THERE WAS, UH, THERE WERE TRAILS GOING ALONG THE BACKS OF THESE UNITS HERE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THOSE HAVE BEEN DELETED.
UM, UH, IT UP HERE THAT, UH, THAT DETAIL HAS BEEN, UH, HAS BEEN REVISED PER THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S, UH, INSTRUCTIONS OR REQUEST.
NOW, WITH REGARDS TO THE PARKING, UH, AND I DON'T HAVE THOSE HIGHLIGHTED HERE, BUT THERE'S ADDITIONAL PARKING BASICALLY ALONG THIS ROAD AND THIS ROAD HERE.
BUT THESE UNITS ALONG, UH, ALONG THIS STREET HERE, WHILE THEY HAVE THE TWO UNIT, THE, THE TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT AS REQUIRED BY CODE, UH, IF THEY HAVE GUESTS, IF THEY HAVE MORE THAN THREE OR IF THEY HAVE MORE THAN TWO CARS, THERE'S VERY LITTLE TO NO ACCOMMODATION FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING, EVEN, EVEN FOR GUESTS.
SO, UH, I STILL FIND THAT AS A POTENTIAL, UM, DEFICIENCY, BUT THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE ON THIS.
AGAIN, MY INTENT WAS TO JUST PROVIDE NEW INFORMATION FOR TONIGHT, AND IF THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ON THIS, WE TRIED TO ADDRESS THOSE POINT BY POINT FOR YOU.
UH, THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I CAN FIELD ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
SO THIS KIND OF SHORT, SORT OF SHOWS THE PADS.
I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH THEM NOT SHOWING THE STICK BUILT.
THE NUMBER TWO IN PART TWO, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST SHOWING US THE PADS.
THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE IF THIS IS KIND OF REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PADS.
SO, UH, SHANTE, IF WE COULD ZOOM IN ON A PAD, ANY PAD, DOESN'T MATTER FOR A STICK OF TOWNHOUSES.
WE'LL TAKE THE SIMPLEST ZOOM IN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
SO WHAT, WHAT I HAD ASKED FOR WAS ESSENTIALLY A PRELIMINARY PLAQUE THAT WOULD SHOW THE DIMENSIONS OF EACH OF THESE LOTS OKAY.
BOTH THE LENGTH AND THE WIDTH.
THEY ELECTED TO PROVIDE THAT, UH, TO PROVIDE, UM, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT DETAIL AT THE TOP OF THE, UH, AT THE TOP OF THE, UH, SHEET.
NOW, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING IF IT WOULD BE, UH, ACCEPTABLE IS IF THEY SHOWED THE OVERALL DIMENSIONS FOR THIS, UH, STICK OF SEVEN UNITS? NO.
BECAUSE THEY'RE ASKING FOR 2000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
THEY GOTTA SHOW THEY'RE DOING 2000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
SO AGAIN, THEY REVISED THE PLUS MINUS 10 FOOT.
THEY JUST SPECIFICALLY SAID 10 FOOT END LOCK WILL HAVE A MINIMUM 10 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK.
AND, UH, THEY'RE STANDARD DETAIL.
AND AS WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT, NOT ALL OF THE LOTS ARE UNIFORM IN SIZE AND SHAPE, BUT, UH, THEY'RE SHOWING THE MINIMUMS FOR END UNITS, A 30 FOOT WIDE LOT FOR INTERIOR UNITS, A 20 FOOT WIDE LOT, AND THAT THEY WOULD ALL BE A MINIMUM OF 100 FEET IN, UH, IN DEPTH OR, UH, OR LENGTH.
SO AGAIN, MY REQUEST TO THEM ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY CLEAR, THEY WANTED TO SEE THE DIMENSIONS OF ALL THE LOTS, BUT, UH, THIS IS WHAT THEY CAME BACK WITH.
AND, UH, I WAS ASKED TO, UH, SEE IF THE PADS, IF, IF THE DIMENSIONS OF THE PADS WERE WAS SUFFICIENT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND, AND I'VE GOT MY ANSWER, I WOULD SAY YES, BUT THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
I DON'T KNOW THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS,
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IT'S FINE WITH ME.I MEAN, IT SEEMS REASONABLE AS LONG AS IT'S STATED THAT IT'S 20 BY 100 AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR A 2000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
IF WE COULD GO BACK TO ONE OF THE PADS, WHAT IF ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE IN ALL THOSE, UH, UNITS THROWS A PARTY,
THEY'RE GONNA CALL THE COPS, IS WHAT'S I MEAN, SO THEY ALREADY, THAT'S THEIR GOING IN HERE.
THEY'RE GONNA BE BRIEFED ON WHAT'S EXPECTED IF YOU'RE GONNA GO LIVE HERE, IF YOU BREAK, IT'S A HIGH, IT'S A HIGH DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND PEOPLE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE AN HOA.
I JUST WANTED TO GET BACK TO THE DIMENSIONS, UH, AGAIN, SO IT'S OKAY FOR THEM TO PROVIDE THE OVERALL DIMENSION.
SO IF THIS IS 20 40, 60, 80, UM, 100, 160 BY 100, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S NECESSARY.
IF YOU HAVE UP TOP THAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SMALLEST LOT.
AND THE LARGEST LOT, 30 BY 100, ISN'T THAT SUFFICIENT? IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH STATED.
SO YOU'RE FINE WITH WHAT THEY, AS LONG AS IT, IT DOESN'T SAY PLUS OR MINUS.
UM, WHAT'S THE LITTLE ABOVE THE, BELOW THE REZONING RED LETTERING? WHAT IS THAT? IT SAYS REVISED LAYOUT.
I MEAN, WHAT'S YOU MEAN THAT MEAN THE DETAIL? THAT'S THE ROAD.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CROSS SECTION OF THE ROAD.
SO IF WE CAN WE, WITH THE DITCHES, CAN WE ZONE IN ON THAT? SORRY.
THIS IS A TYPICAL CROSS SECTION FOR THE STREET.
SO AGAIN, UM, UH, 10 FOOT TRAVEL LANES, ONE IN EACH DIRECTION WITH A SWALE.
AND HE EXPLAINED THAT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE DUE TO THE DESIGN, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SINCE THEY'RE GOING WITH OPEN S SWALES FOR, FOR, UH, UM, STORM WATER.
IF THEY WERE, IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE IF THEY WERE DESIGNING WITH A, YOU KNOW, WITH A PIPED SYSTEM.
AND THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING CURB AND GUTTER.
ARE THESE GONNA BE SOMEWHAT AFFORDABLE? HUH? I THINK THEY'RE 120% OF RIGHT.
IS THAT WHAT THEY, 80 TO 120? I, I JUST, THE AFFORDABILITY QUESTION WASN'T, UH, IT IS NOT IN THIS ONE.
IT WASN'T NO, IT WASN'T ON THIS ONE.
POSTAL SWEAR IN RESIDENCE COMMENT IN GENERAL ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THE WORLD TODAY, THAT NONE OF THIS SEEMS AFFORDABLE.
AND I DO, I I, I JUST, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY IS AFFORDABILITY? WHAT WOULD PEOPLE'S STANDARD BE AS FAR AS AFFORDABILITY? APPROXIMATELY 30% OF THE SALARY IS, IS WHAT'S, UH, ACCEPTABLE.
AND, AND WHEN YOU ENCAPSULATE, I MEAN, I, I NOTICED YOU SAID PURDUE, BUT THERE ARE MANY OTHER YEAH, I MEAN, I JUST USE IT THAT LIVE AROUND HERE.
I MEAN, WE DO REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM EVEN AT NASA PEOPLE, THEY GOT, THEY LIVE IN OCEAN PINES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE IT.
AND, AND, AND I, WE ON RECORD, WHAT I SEE HAPPENING TO US IS WE'RE FALLING BEHIND.
AND THAT'S A FUNCTION OF SUPPLY.
AND I, BUT WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS ALL AROUND US IS GROWING.
UM, I EVEN WHEN I GO ACROSS THE BAY, AND THE REASON WHY I ASKED YOU THAT IS THE HOUSES THAT THEY'RE BUILDING IN NORTHAMPTON COUNTY IS THREE SOMETHING IN NORTHAMPTON COUNTY.
I'M WITH YOU IN NORTHAMPTON COUNTY, THEY'RE THREE SOMETHING AND PEOPLE ARE BUYING 'EM, AND THEY'RE LIVING IN THOSE HOUSES.
AND I THOUGHT WE WOULD'VE MORE PROSPEROUS COUNTY.
SO I'M JUST, IT'S JUST NOT REGISTERING THAT WE, THEY CAN DO IT AND WE CAN'T.
AND I THINK THAT'S A FUNCTION OF RETIREES MOVING HERE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST SAYING.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE, SO THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO MOVE HERE.
THEY DO, BUT THE, THE, I MEAN, 'CAUSE WHAT I THINK A LOT OF THAT, THAT BAY CREEK DEVELOPMENT AND TIRE HILL DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY GOT GOING ON DOWN THERE IS, IS MORE THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT WORKING.
WHEREAS I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
MY SON IS MOVING BACK HERE TO GO TO WORK UP AT THE BASE AND AT HIS PAY RATE.
I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T FOUND ANYTHING THAT HE CAN AFFORD.
AND, AND, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE MY SON WAS THE, HE HAD TO GO TO MARYLAND YEAH.
TO GET THE TYPE OF HOUSE THAT HE WANTED, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE IT.
SO ARE THESE DISCUSSIONS FOR THE, THESE MEETINGS THAT ARE COMING UP?
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I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE I TRAVEL NEAR FAR AND I SEE 'EM BUILDING EVERYWHERE.I MEAN, I EVEN SEE SOME OF THE DESIGNS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I SEE THEM, THEIR BUILDING AND WHAT I WAS TOLD AND SERVING AT THE HOSPITAL, THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE THE HUB.
THIS, THAT AREA WAS GONNA BE THE HUB, IS WHAT I WAS TOLD ME TOO.
FROM WHEN THE PUBLIC SERVANTS FROM OUR COUNTY AND FROM OUR STATE, HOW LONG UNTIL WE GET THIS APPROVED OR NOT APPROVED OR WHAT'S OUR NEXT STEP? WHAT LEVEL OF APPROVAL ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? JUST THE LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS WITH THE REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
YOU HAVE GOTTA DO A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AGAIN, FOR THIS ONE, WE'RE NOT REQUESTING A PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
THERE ARE CLEARLY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT'S NEEDED, BUT, UM, UH, WHEN IT'S READY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE ITS REC, ITS PUBLIC HEARING FOR A RECOMMENDATION.
THEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITS DECISION.
THERE'S USUALLY, THERE'S ALMOST ALWAYS A MONTH GAP IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO MEETINGS.
SO BEFORE THEY CAN REALLY DO ANYTHING, IT'D BE LATE THIS YEAR, EARLY NEXT YEAR IF EVERYTHING WENT WELL AT THE SECOND STAGE OF THE APPROVAL, WHICH IS CYCL PLAN.
THEY, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAD THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW SO FAR.
I THINK THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION MISSING, BUT, UH, UH, WE CAN GET THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE LAYOUT AGAIN? I JUST WANTED TO LOOK AT THE, THE WALKING TRAIL.
SO THERE AT THE VERY BOTTOM SECTION, THERE IS NO WALKING TRAIL THERE.
THE WALKING TRAILS ARE DEPICTED IN GREEN.
AND, UH, THE PREVIOUS VERSION HAD THE WALKING TRAILS AND AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S REQUEST, THE WALKING TRAILS BEHIND THE UNITS WERE DELETED.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CROSS SECTION OF THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SHOULDER THAT SOMEONE COULD POTENTIALLY WALK ON, BUT IT'S NOT PAVED.
AND IT'S, IT'S NOT A FORMAL, UH, PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY.
BE THAT A CONCRETE SIDEWALK, ASPHALT, MULTI-USE, UH, CRUSH AND RUN TRAIL, WHATEVER.
THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING ALONG THE ROAD TO INDICATE A, A FORMAL PATH OR A FORMAL PLACE FOR SOMEBODY TO WALK.
IS THAT A CONCERN? IT'S 140 UNITS AND, UH, THE INTENT OF THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, STATES THAT IT SHOULD BE GEARED TOWARDS PEDESTRIAN, UH, CONNECTIVITY OR THERE SHOULD BE, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACCOMMODATIONS IN, IN THESE DESIGNS AND LAYOUTS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE NO PARKING, YOU HAVE NO ADDITIONAL PARKING OTHER THAN OH YEAH.
TWO OF THE HOUSE PEOPLE GOTTA WALK THERE.
IF THEY'RE GONNA PARK SOME WHEREVER THEY, SO SHOULD WE REQUEST SOME, A TRAIL IN THE FRONT? I KNOW THEY REMOVED IT FROM THE BACK, BUT SHOULDN'T THERE BE SOMETHING IN THE FRONT, EVEN IF IT'S NOT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE AREA THERE, BUT SOMETHING I THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME TRADE-OFFS THERE, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER ADDITIONAL PARKING THERE.
UM, AND TO BE, AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THEIR POINT, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING ALONG THIS ROAD BECAUSE YOU GOT ALL THE UNITS FRONT ON THE ROAD.
THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT HERE, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ADDING A TRAIL THERE, MAYBE HERE AND HERE, BUT THERE WAS A COMMENT AT PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION LAST TIME THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR PARKING.
UH, SO IT IS, IT IS A TIGHT SITE.
UM, AND CLEARLY DECISIONS HAD TO BE MADE SO OVERBUILT, NOT ENOUGH PARKING, MAYBE NOT ENOUGH OPEN AREA.
I THINK THE OPEN AREA, THERE WAS ENOUGH OPEN AREA, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERCENTAGE OR MAYBE A SECTION OF IT WAS MORE THAN WHAT THEY SHOULD BE ALLOCATED TO PARKING.
IS OPEN AREA, STORM WATER PONDS CONSIDERED OPEN AREA OR JUST IT HAS TO BE OPEN AREA LIKE WALKING TYPE? IT, IT'S NOT SPECIFIED IN OUR ORDINANCE, ALTHOUGH FROM A, FROM A, FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, OPEN AREA SHOULD EXCLUDE STORMWATER, SHOULD EXCLUDE, UH, EXCLUDE STORMWATER.
BUT IT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.
SO, SO WHAT IS THE RATIONALE BEHIND THE TWO PARKING SPACES, TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT? UH, FIRST OF ALL, THAT'S BASED IN CODE.
UH, EVERY ORDINANCE THAT I'VE COME ACROSS REQUIRES TWO PARKING SPACES PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT, WHETHER THAT'S, UM, SINGLE FAMILY, OR IN THIS CASE, UH, TOWNHOUSES.
UM, SOME LOCALITIES GIVE A BREAK ON HIGHER DENSITY.
SO INSTEAD OF TWO PARKING SPACES, THEY MAY REQUIRE ONE AND A HALF PARKING SPACES WITH, WITH OFFSITE PARKING, WITH OFFSITE PARKING
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OR OFF UNIT PARKING, IF YOU WILL.BUT IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL SUPPOSED TO BE OFF STREET PARKING.
AND HE EXPLAINED IT THAT TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN ON THAT BOTTOM ROAD, YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATE ALL THOSE BUILDINGS.
'CAUSE YOU COULDN'T BUILD ONE BIG ENOUGH FOR SOMEBODY TO LIVE IN.
YOU'D HAVE TO OFFSET THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO OFFSET THE UNITS OR THE, THE LOTS, A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR TO GET TO THIS DENSITY, NOT PRACTICALLY CORRECT.
SO I, THE OTHER QUESTION, SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE CONCERN? I JUST WANT CLARITY FOR MYSELF.
WHAT IS THE CONCERN FOR THE WALKING? WHAT, UM, I HAD MADE THE COMMENT IN THE, IN THE, MY DAUGHTER LIVED THERE.
I WOULDN'T WANNA WALKING TRAIL BEHIND HER UNIT.
SO THEY HAVE, I THINK THEY TOOK MY COMMENT TO MEAN THE FULL COMMISSION'S OPINION WAS THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE A ROCK AND TRAIL WALK.
BECAUSE MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENTS I SEE, AND I, I GO INTO DEVELOPMENTS ALL THE TIME, MOST OF THE TIME PEOPLE WALKING ON THE STREETS AND EITHER EARLY IN THE MORNING OR LATE IN THE EVENING WHEN THERE'S LOW TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE ARE GETTING THEIR STEPS IN AND WALKING, AND THE WAY THAT'S DESIGNED, THAT'S THE WAY IT LOOKED LIKE.
IT'S DESIGNED, THEY COULD WALK AROUND.
THE PREVIOUS ONE HAD TRAILS BEHIND.
A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE, UH, TO ME WOULD BE UNSAFE.
WELL, I MEAN, I, I, YEAH, IT WAS JUST, I JUST MADE THE COMMENT IN THE MEETING THAT, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IF IT WAS BEHIND THE BUILDING, PEOPLE WALKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT OR DAY NIGHT BEHIND THE BUILDING, SO IF THEY CUT THEM OUT AND PEOPLE GOTTA WALK, LEAST YOU GOT CAMERAS, YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE WALKING BY OR WHATEVER.
SO I, I THINK THAT THERE ARE TWO ASPECTS OF SAFETY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAILS BEHIND THE UNITS, THAT'S A MATTER OF PERSONAL SAFETY AND PRIVACY, YOU KNOW, JUST EYEBALLING IT OR JUST, YOU KNOW, ANECDOTALLY THINKING ABOUT IT.
BUT IN THE FRONT, WITH THE LACK OF PEDESTRIAN, UH, UH, ACCOMMODATIONS OR FACILITIES, IT BECOMES A, UH, A TRAFFIC SAFETY ISSUE.
VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, IS ABOUT WALKING TO THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE SIDEWALKS AND LIGHTING AND, AND DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THE PARKING IS JUST A DRIVEWAY, OR IS THERE A CARPORT OR GARAGE ASSOCIATED WITH HERE IN MACK COUNTY BY CODE, UH, ONE OF THE PARKING SPACES CAN BE INSIDE OF A GARAGE.
I FIND THAT A LITTLE BIT PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE GARAGES MAY BE CONVERTED INTO BONUS ROOMS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S IN OUR CODE THAT, UH, UH, THAT ONE OF THE TWO PARKING SPACES CAN BE A GARAGE UNIT OR A SPACE INDICATED AS TO WHAT THEY'RE GONNA OFFER.
WHATEVER THEY OFFER HAS GOTTA HAVE A GARAGE BECAUSE THEIR, THEIR DRIVEWAY IS ONLY WIDE ENOUGH AND LONG ENOUGH FOR ONE CAR.
THEY HAD THAT BEFORE, AND THAT'S A 20 PREVIOUS NINE.
SO A CAR IN THE BOTTOM'S, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? ALRIGHT.
SO WE NEED TO GET A ELEVATION FROM THEM.
WELL, UH, GETTING BACK TO THE, UM, TO THE, UH, UH, THE CHART HERE, INSTEAD OF AN ELEVATION, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASKING IF A PROFFER WOULD, UH, WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR THAT, UH, UM, FOR THAT REQUIREMENT TO, I GUESS BRING THOSE ELEVATIONS AT A LATER TIME.
THEIR RATIONALE FOR THAT IS THAT THEY HAVEN'T SELECTED A BUILDER YET.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE REAR SETBACK? 15 FEET OR 20? THE REAR SETBACK, I BELIEVE IS, UM, ACTUALLY NO, THEY ACTUALLY REQUESTED A WAIVER FROM THE REAR SETBACK, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
CAN WE CALL UP THE STAFF REPORT? IT'S ALSO ON THE, UH, FLASH DRIVE.
I THINK IT WAS ON THAT SITE PLAN.
HERE'S THE WAIVER REQUEST MATRIX.
THE REAR YARD SETBACK IS SUPPOSED TO BE 35, AND THEY'VE ASKED FOR, UH, UH, A 20 FOOT REAR YARD.
AND IN ORDER TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN ON THOSE BOTTOM ROADS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MOVE THAT BACK ANOTHER 10 FEET TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN.
PROBABLY THEY'RE SAYING THEY COULDN'T DO IT.
I DON'T THINK THEY COULD DO IT AND GET THE DENSITY THAT THEY'VE GOT.
I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PER SE, BUT THE, I MEAN,
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THE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY YOU GOTTA HAVE SIDEWALKS, BUT IT SAYS YOU, IT'S FOR PEDESTRIAN USE AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE SHOULDER OF THE ROAD IS SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMMODATE A PERSON WALKING ALONGSIDE THE EDGE OF THE ROAD.AND IN MY MIND, THE HOA IS GONNA HAVE SPEED LIMITS AND RULES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HAVE TO ENFORCE EACH OTHER IN TERMS OF, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
THAT'S EVERYWHERE I'VE EVER LIVED WITH.
SO MOVE ON TO THE COURT SESSION EIGHT.
DO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL THE BOARD OF ZONING STUFF? IT'S THERE IN THE REPORT IF YOU JUST WANT TO READ IT.
WHAT, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH HIRING? OH, WE'RE NOT THERE YET, ARE WE? WE'RE NOT.
WELL, UH, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM, FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER POSITION, WE'VE RECEIVED THREE RESUMES.
UM, I'M REALLY HOPING TO WAIT FOR A FEW MORE.
AND, UM, WE STILL HAVE, UH, ONE POSITION OPEN IN THE PLANNING DIVISION IN ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS. WE'VE GOT, UH, WE'VE GOT THREE POSITIONS OPEN AND WE'RE FULLY STAFFED IN THE, UH, CODE ADMINISTRATION FROM ZONING AND BUILDING.
UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS BASICALLY ME AND GRACE WOODWORTH, THE, UH, UH, ONE OF THE ADMINS.
I'D SAY THAT WE'RE DOWN, UM, FOUR POSITIONS OR WE'RE, WE HAVE FOUR VACANCIES.
SO, UM, THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER, UH, ITEMS TO REPORT FROM A DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR STANDPOINT, BUT WITH REGARDS TO THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I'M GONNA SIT DOWN AND TAKE A BREAK AND LET THE COUNTY PLANNER HANIS REALLY TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
SHAY'S FRIDLEY COUNTY PLANNER.
OKAY, SO WE KNOW THIS WASN'T ALREADY ON THE AGENDA, BUT THIS IS, UH, THE PORTION THAT WE ASKED, WE REQUESTED TO SPEAK ON NOW, UM, IN MARCH WE HAD A JOINT WORK SESSION WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, AT THAT WORK SESSION, OUR CONSULTANT MENTIONED MORE WORK SESSIONS THAT WERE GOING TO COME IN THE FUTURE.
UM, SHE DID NOT GIVE DATES THEN AND NOTHING WAS CONFIRMED, BUT NOW WE WOULD LIKE TO SCHEDULE THOSE.
UH, SO WHAT STAFF WANTS TO REQUEST IS PERMISSION, UM, TO HAVE THE NEXT FOUR WORK SESSIONS.
TWO OF THOSE WILL BE THIS YEAR TO NEXT YEAR.
AND I BELIEVE I PASSED OUT A LITTLE SHEET FOR EVERYONE WITH ALL THE DATES.
SINCE WE WOULDN'T HAVE 'EM UP ON THE SCREEN, I WANTED YOU TO BE ABLE TO HAVE 'EM IN FRONT OF YOU TO SEE THEM.
UM, EACH ALSO HAS A BULLET POINT EXPLAINING WHAT WILL BE DISCUSSED AT EACH OF THOSE WORK SESSIONS.
UH, TUESDAY, AUGUST 25TH, 2026 AT 5:30 PM TUESDAY, OCTOBER 27TH, 2026 AT 5:30 PM GOING INTO 2027, TUESDAY, JANUARY 26TH, AND ALSO MARCH 23RD.
ALL OF THOSE ARE SCHEDULED TO BE AT 5:30 PM AT THE LIBRARY.
AND PARKLEY, SAME LOCATION AS THE ONE THAT WE HAD IN MARCH.
YOU WANT A MOTION? SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD DO ONE MOTION AND HAVE ALL THE DATES.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PARTICIPATE IN THE JOINT MEETING WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 25TH, 2026, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 27TH, 2026, TUESDAY, JANUARY 26TH, 2027, AND TUESDAY, MARCH 23RD, 2027 AT 5:30 PM AT THE LIBRARY IN PARSLEY.
UM, I ALSO GAVE YOU GUYS A UPDATED OVERALL, UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FLYER AS WELL.
WE DID ADD ON AN ADDITIONAL POPUP, AND THAT ADDITIONAL POPUP WILL BE MAY 20TH, UH, FROM TWO TO 4:00 PM RIGHT IN FRONT OF THIS BUILDING.
UM, JUST A REMINDER OF WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON NEXT WEEK, NEXT TUESDAY, MAY 19TH, WE WILL BE HAVING A WORKSHOP FROM 5:30 PM TO 7:30 PM AT THE LIBRARY IN PARKLEY.
WE ALSO HAVE TWO, SORRY, THREE POPUPS NEXT WEEK, TUESDAY, MAY 19TH,
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11:00 AM TO 1:00 PM IN THE COLONIAL SQUARE OFFICE PARK THAT'S IN BELL HAVEN, WEDNESDAY, MAY 20TH, 11:00 AM TO 1:00 PM FOUR CORNERS PLAZA WILL BE SET UP, UH, IN BETWEEN THE AREA OF DOLLAR GENERAL AND THE BOOK BIN.AND THEN THE FINAL ONE, THE ADDITIONAL ONE WILL BE WEDNESDAY, MAY 20TH, TWO TO 4:00 PM AGAIN, IN FRONT OF THE COUNTY ADMIN BUILDING.
AND IF NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, ARE YOU GETTING ANY PUBLIC SUPPORT? YES.
YES, WE ARE GETTING PUBLIC SUPPORT.
UM, AND ALSO THIS INFORMATION HAS BEEN POSTED ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE.
UM, WESR SHORE DAILY NEWS HAS DONE SOME POSTS AND, UM, WE'LL HAVE MORE BEING POSTED WITH SHORE DAILY NEWS AND WESR STARTING TOMORROW.
SO YES, WE'VE BEEN GETTING SOME, SOME PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND PARTICIPATION AS WELL.
HAVE THEY REACHED OUT TO LARGE EMPLOYERS TO LET EMPLOYEES KNOW, OR ANYBODY LIKE THAT? OR ARE THEY JUST RELYING ON PUBLIC INFORMATION? SO BOTH, UM, THE FOCUS GROUPS THAT WE HAD DID INCLUDE THE LARGE EMPLOYERS.
SO TYSONS PURDUE, UM, VIRGINIA SPACE, WALLOPS HOSPITAL, RURAL HEALTH.
UM, WE DID HAVE REPRESENTATION FOR, FROM, UH, AKIMA COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS AS WELL.
AND WE ALSO DELIVERED SOME FLYERS ON FOOT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE TO GET THE WORD OUT OR CAN WE, OR WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SPREAD THE WORD.
IF ANYONE, UH, NEEDS A SURVEY LINK, LINK EMAILED TO THEM, I CAN EMAIL IT TO YOU.
IF YOU WANNA SHARE IT WITH SOMEONE, I CAN SEND YOU DIGITAL COPIES OF THIS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE IT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, PAPER APPLICATIONS.
YOU CAN PICK THEM UP FROM THE OFFICE, OR IF YOU WANT ME TO EMAIL YOU A COPY OF THE PAPER APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, IN CASE YOU MIGHT KNOW SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT ONLINE, IT IS ALSO AVAILABLE, UM, BY HARD COPY.
IS IT BEING SHARED ON SOCIAL MEDIA? YES.
THAT WOULD PRECLUDE ME FROM KNOWING ABOUT IT, BUT YES, IT IS BEING SHARED.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD.
ACTUALLY, I, I, YOU HAD ASKED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ASKED ABOUT ALL THE BZI STUFF.
UH, WHAT I WILL MENTION IS WITH REGARDS TO THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE PROJECT IN WATVILLE, UH, THE, UM, AND WHICH I HAD THE COUNTY, UH, ATTORNEY WITH ME TO, TO BACK ME UP ON THIS, BUT WE LOST A COURT CASE, UH, LAST WEEK.
SO THEY'RE BEING ALLOWED TO PROCEED.
THEY HAVE, UH, THEY'RE BRINGING FORTH AN APPEAL, UH, TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS IN JUNE TO ESSENTIALLY, UH, REVERSE THE DETERMINATION, MY DETERMINATION THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAS EXPIRED.
BUT IN, IN THE MEANTIME, JUDGE LEWIS HAS IS ALLOWING THEM TO PROCEED.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE OF THE, UH, CASE OF THE DAY AT THE NEXT BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MEETING, BUT WITH THE REST OF THE BZA CASES.
AGAIN, YOU CAN READ ABOUT THEM IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, BUT THAT WAS ONE THAT I WANTED TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT SINCE IT HAD, SINCE IT, UH, IT'S PRETTY HIGH VISIBILITY, HIGH VISIBILITY AT THIS POINT.
BUT ON ANOTHER, ON ANOTHER NOTE OR YOUR OFFICERS COMING TOGETHER, THE, THE NEW OFFICES, WE'RE HAVING TO, UM, UH, WE'RE HAVING TO, I DON'T WANNA SAY REBID, BUT, UH, THERE, THERE MAY BE A POTENTIAL REDESIGN FOR THE, UH, UH, FOR THE HVAC, WHICH IS COMING WAY OVER BUDGET.
UH, UH, STUART HALL, ONE OF HIS DEPUTY DIRECTORS, JEREMY SHIFFLETT, MYSELF, THE ARCHITECT, AND THE, UH, AND THE CONTRACTORS, UH, HAVE, UH, WE JUST HAD A PHONE CALL OR A VIRTUAL CALL ON FRIDAY MORNING TO TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT AT THIS POINT, UM, THE HVAC NEEDS TO BE REDESIGNED AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO DETERMINE THE IMPACT OF THAT ON THE OVERALL PROJECT.
SO IT'S MOVING ALONG, SORT OF.
THAT TRULY CONCLUDES MY PRESENCE OR MY STAFF REPORT.
SO, UM, OUR NEXT MEETING IS JUNE 10TH HERE AT 7:00 PM AND, UH, MADAM CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION WE ADJOURN.
I SECOND A MOTION AND SECOND TO ADJOURN.