* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. MONTHLY MEETING OF [00:00:01] THE AKIMA COUNTY BOARD [Board of Supervisors on June 17, 2026.] OF SUPERVISORS. I'M GONNA SAY GOOD EVENING TO ALL OF YOU. SO GLAD THAT YOU CAME OUT. I DO ASK THAT IF YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE, WOULD YOU PUT IT EITHER ON MUTE? PREFERABLY OFF, BUT WE DO. UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR COMING. AND WOULD YOU JOIN US IN, IN, IN THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TONIGHT, UH, WE HAVE THE REVEREND DR. LISA JOHNSON, WHO'S THE PASTOR OF THE TABERNACLE BAPTIST CHURCH, ALSO SERVES AS THE SECOND VICE MODERATOR OF THE VIRGINIA MARYLAND BAPTIST ASSOCIATION. AND ALSO SHE'S A MEMBER OF, OF OUR SCHOOL BOARD. REVEREND UH, DR. JOHNSON. GOOD EVENING, AND THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION. FOR THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE. I INVITE YOU TO ENJOY ME. TO JOIN ME IN A WORD OF PRAYER. I RESPECT YOU ALL. WONDERFUL CREATOR. THANK YOU FOR THE GIFT OF TODAY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO COME THIS FAR IN TODAY. CONTINUE TO LEAD US AND GUIDE US. WE'RE LOST WITHOUT YOU. WE ASK YOUR CONTINUED BLESSINGS ON THOSE WHO ARE ASSIGNED FOR THIS SEASON TO LEAD, MANAGE, SUPERVISE THINGS CONNECTED TO BUSINESS FOR ACK COUNTY. BLESS THEM ONE BY ONE, BLESS AND KEEP THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR FRIENDS. WE ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP YOUR HAND ON THIS PART OF THE WORLD. WE ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO SUSTAIN US DURING THE SUNSHINE AND DURING THE RAIN. WE ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP YOUR HAND ON THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. HELP US TO WALK DAY BY DAY SO THAT WHEN DAYS HERE ON THIS EARTH ARE OVER, WE CAN HEAR YOU SAY WELL DONE. AMEN. AMEN. I THE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THE NEXT THING ON OUR, ON OUR AGENDA IS TO ADOPT THE AGENDA. MOVE IT. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVING PROPERLY. SECOND, THAT WE ADOPT OUR AGENDA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR MAY BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AND THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED. WE DON'T HAVE ANY REMOTE PARTICIPATION OR I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY. SO WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON. WE DO HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, PERSONS WHO HAVE SIGNED. SO WE'RE GONNA ASK OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY IF SHE WOULD READ THE RULES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THE PUBLIC COMMENT RULES ARE AS FOLLOWS, PUBLIC COMMENT SHALL NOT ADDRESS MATTERS ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA FOR THE DAY. PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL ADDRESS MATTERS ON THE CURRENT MEETING AGENDA. HOWEVER, THE CHAIR SHALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ALLOW COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO AGENDA ITEMS PROVIDED. DOING SO DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THE TIMELY AND ORDERLY CONDUCT OF THE PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS ON THE AGENDA. NO INDIVIDUAL SPEAKER SHALL BE PERMITTED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD FOR MORE THAN FOUR MINUTES. THE CHAIR SHALL ALLOCATE THE TIME AMONG SPEAKERS IN AN EQUITABLE MANNER. INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY SPOKEN ON A SUBJECT AT A PUBLIC HEARING SHALL NOT BE ALLOWED TO READDRESS THE BOARD ON THE SAME SUBJECT DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. SPECIFIC QUESTIONS SHOULD BE RESOLVED PRIOR TO THE MEETING BY CONTACTING A BOARD MEMBER OR THE APPROPRIATE STAFF MEMBER. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FOR A PUBLIC MEETING MUST PRESENT THE PRESENTATION 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE FOR REVIEW BY STAFF FOR APPROPRIATENESS. QUESTIONS SHALL BE DIRECTED TO THE CHAIR WHO WILL AND HER DISCRETION SOLICIT THE RESPONSE FROM THE APPROPRIATE PERSON. PERSONS ADDRESSING THE BOARD SHALL NOT USE INAPPROPRIATE OR THREATENING LANGUAGE OR VERBALLY ATTACK ANY BOARD MEMBER OR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. THE CHAIR SHALL DIRECT ANY PERSON WHOSE BEHAVIOR IS VIOLENT OR DISRUPTIVE TO LEAVE THE MEETING ROOM. THE CHAIR HAS THE RIGHT AND DUTY TO MAINTAIN THESE RULES IN ACCORDANCE WITH DECORUM AND APPROPRIATE, UH, CONDUCT OF THE MEETING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OUR FIRST PERSON WHO HAS SIGNED IS WAYNE JOHNSON. MA'AM? YES. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS A FOUR MINUTES BEING A PREACHER. THAT MIGHT GET A LITTLE TOUGH. OKAY. BUT I SAVE AT IT. WOULD YOU BE SO KIND TO RESTATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR LOCATION WHERE YOU WHAT, WHERE YOU RESIDE? UH, WAYNE JOHNSON. 2 6 5 7 8 BERRY ROAD BLOCKS, VIRGINIA. THANK YOU, SIR. I'M, I'M HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF, OF CAMP ONIC. UH, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT'S BEEN BOTHERING ME. ONE OF 'EM IS IN MY HAND. UH, THIS IS A DRAWING FOR CLEARING, CUTTING TENT LITTLE [00:05:01] TREES DOWN SO WE CAN BUILD A MAINTENANCE BUILDING. I APPLIED FOR THE PERMIT ON DECEMBER 8TH OF LAST YEAR. UH, STILL DON'T HAVE IT. JUST GOT THIS DRAWING. THIS DRAWING WAS GIVEN TO US AS A GIFT. UH, BUT NORMALLY THIS WOULD COST THREE TO $4,000 FOR THIS PIECE OF PAPER IN MY HAND JUST TO, TO GET A LOT CLEAR, WHICH TO ME IS OVER AND BEYOND, UH, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. THE THE SECOND THING THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS WAS WE HAD A, WE WERE GOING TO REPAIR A BALL KIT DOWN AT THE CAMP LAST YEAR. UH, WE WERE, WE HAD AN INSPECTION DOWN THERE FOR SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS GOING ON. THE BUILDING INSPECTOR MADE A REPORT TO THE ZONING, UH, APPEALS BOARD. I GUESS IT IS PAUL WATSON FOR THE NAME. AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MAINTENANCE 'CAUSE WE WERE NOT GOING TO DESTROY THE BULKHEAD. WE WERE, WE WERE JUST GOING TO BACK IT UP WITH SHEET VINYL TO REPAIR IT SO THAT IT WOULDN'T DO ANY MORE DAMAGE, UH, TO THE, THE CREEK SIDE, UH, THAT WE TALKED TO PAUL ABOUT IT. UH, HAD TO HAVE A JPA, UH, I TALKED TO ALAN GRIME, SHE SAID, WE DIDN'T, IT WAS MAINTENANCE. I TALKED TO NORMAN PITT, WHO WAS IN THE BACK AREA. HE SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT. IT WAS MAINTENANCE. AND FIVE MONTHS LATER AND THREE PERMITS, IT CAME BACK FROM JPA, UH, WETLANDS AND, UH, ARMY CORPS ENGINEERS AS MAINTENANCE. A LOT OF WASTED TIME, A LOT OF WASTED MONEY. AND, AND IT, IT'S JUST CRAZY THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING. UH, I WOULD SAY THAT COMMON SENSE HAS TAKEN LEAVE OF THE PER PERMITTING PROCESS IN YEARS PAST. I'VE BEEN IN, UH, IN THE SIXTIES TO COME GET A PERMIT. IT WAS A SOCIAL TIME, AND YOU LEFT WITH YOUR PERMIT. NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR, UH, FIRST CHILD INDENTURED SERVANT FOREVER TO, TO GET A PERMIT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS CRAZY. AND, AND I, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT AND, AND YOU'RE LOOKING INTO, UH, WHERE WE ARE. I THINK WE'RE PUSHING THE, THE RMAA LONG WAYS PAST WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. UH, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET FROM THE BUFFER ZONE. THE, UH, JP UH, THE RMA AND THE RPA, IT'S OUTSIDE OF THAT. IT'S IN THE WOODS. UH, THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE US TO PUT A SWALE IN. UH, IT'S ALREADY EIGHT INCHES OF LEAF LITTER AND SHADOW, UH, UM, PINE NEEDLE THERE. UH, A DROP OF WATER COULDN'T ESCAPE IF IT WANTED TO. SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR SECOND SPEAKER IS NORMAN PITT. I, MR. PITT, IF YOU WOULD, UH, BEFORE YOU STATE YOUR CONCERNS, WOULD YOU RESTATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR RESIDENCE PLEASE? UH, YES. MY NAME IS NORMAN PITT. UM, RATHER THAN AKIMA COUNTY, UH, MADAM CHAIR AND THE BOARD, I KNOW A LOT OF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH ME. SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, LONG, THE LONG, WHAT HE SPOKE ABOUT A FEW MINUTES AGO FOR SOME ODD REASON. NOW I'VE, I'VE GOT OVER 15, NO, 20 SOME YEARS EXPERIENCE IN S STORMWATER. I'M DUAL CERTIFIED, CERTIFIED IN 11 OTHER THINGS BY THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, ALSO CERTIFIED IN DELAWARE, AND BEING RE CERTIFIED IN MARYLAND. SO WHEN IT COMES TO STORMWATER BAY ACT AND ALL THAT STUFF, I'M REALLY VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH ME BECAUSE I DID THE STORMWATER ACT. BUT NOW FOR SOME I READING REASON, I WENT BACK AND I LOOKED THROUGH HERE, UM, CHECKED WITH THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE HAD NEVER CHANGED. IT'S STILL WHAT IT WAS IN 2014, FOR SOME ODD REASON. NOW, THE BAY ACT TO 2,500 SQUARE FEET NOW RUNS TO 13. WHEN WE TURN IN A DRAWING THAT'S UNDER, IT USED TO BE 2,500 SQUARE FEET TO ONE ACRE. AND THEN WE DID A CRITERIA CHECK ON IT. IF YOU DIDN'T NEED THAT, YOU DIDN'T NEED AN ENGINEER. NOW WE'RE BEING TOLD, EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS SENT OVER ACROSS THE BAY, UH, TO KIMBERLY HORN. THEY REVIEW IT, 90% OF 'EM COME BACK. YOU NEED A ENGINEER SEAL, WHICH MAKES NO SENSE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME JOB FOR A $290 PERMIT. YOU'RE PAYING $3,500 JUST FOR ENGINEER TO SIGN OFF. AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING SOMETHING ELSE. AND IF THEY ACT, WHICH I HOPE TO BE HERE TO TALK ON THAT LATER. BUT ANYHOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE CRITERIA AND THE JOBS THAT ACTUALLY BEING TURNED DOWN JUST BY ME, [00:10:01] I DO MORE WORK NOW IN NORTH HAMILTON COUNTY THAN I DO ACUMATIC BECAUSE SOMEONE WILL COME IN FOR A PROJECT AND THEY'RE LIKE, AND I'LL GIVE THEM THE PRICE. WHY IS IT SO HIGH? BECAUSE I GOTTA GET AN ENGINEER TO SEAL IT. LIKE, WHY? BECAUSE IT NOW, THE WAY THE CRITERIA IS BEING LOOKED AT, IT'S THAT THE 2,500 SQUARE FEET GOES FROM THE BAY SIDE ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE SEASIDE. AND THEN I HEARD SOME THINGS AT THE LAST MEETING THAT I'M LIKE, THAT'S NOT TRUE. I'LL BRING THAT UP LATER. BUT ANYHOW, WHAT I'M SAYING IS A LOT OF WORK. AND THE PERSON THAT CAME AFTER ME, CHRIS ATOR, HE'S BACK THERE. WE WERE DOING WHAT'S CALLED, UM, LAND. THEY WERE LAND SERVICE PERMIT UNDER, UM, AN ACRE. AND WE WOULD LOOK AT 'EM. AND I'VE MET WITH STAFF, I'VE MET WITH LEE, I MET WITH STEWART. I MET WITH MIKE. AND I THINK NONE OF 'EM UNDERSTOOD IT BECAUSE THEY LOOKED AT ME AND TOLD I HAD TO GIFT A GUY. NO, I JUST KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING TO ABOUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO STORM WATER, IT'S, IT'S WHAT I DO. I RUN A BUSINESS. MY BUSINESS IS 93% STORM WATER ENS AND PAY ACT. THE REST OF THE WORK I DO FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, NASA, I WORK FOR VIRGINIA SPACE PORT AUTHORITY. AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT COME BACK AND TALK TO ME ARE BEING TOLD THAT, HEY, YOU'RE NOT UP ON THE LATEST, UH, THE LATEST REGS. YES, I AM. I JUST GOT RE-CERTIFIED, BEEN CERTIFIED FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS, IF NOT MORE. AND IT STARTED OFF WITH THIS COUNTY IN WRITING THE SALT WATER, HELPING WITH THE BAY ACT, HELPING WITH THE ENS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I WANNA SAY. YOU CAN HAVE ENS WITHOUT STORM WATER, BUT YOU CANNOT HAVE STORM WATER WITHOUT ENS. THAT IS TO SAY THAT YOU CAN DO A JOB AND NOT NEED STORM WATER. SO WHY WOULD YOU NEED AN ENGINEER SEAL SOME PLANS THAT WE SENT IN SIX AND SEVEN TIMES TO GET REVIEWED? AND I'M ASKING WHY, BECAUSE THEY REVIEWED UNDER THE STORM WATER. UM, I'LL GIVE Y'ALL AN EXAMPLE. UH, THE, UM, THE AIRPORT, THE HANGAR, LOOK HOW LONG, AND THEY HAD TO PUT IN A BIO RETENTION WITH ALL THAT MASS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . OKAY. NEXT ON OUR AGENDAS TO CONSIDER THE MINUTES, MOVE THEM. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVING PROPERLY. SECOND THAT WE, UH, MOVE OUR MINUTES. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AND THE MOTION HAS CARRIED. UH, WE ARE DOWN TO RECOGNITIONS. MADAM CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD. UH, MR. CROCKETT, UH, 4.1. THE, UH, RESOLUTION FOR THE VALEDICTORIAN TANGENT COMBINED SCHOOL. UH, WE HAD CANCEL OUR TRIP OVER THAT EVENING, SO I WOULD NOT, I WAS NOT ABLE TO PRESENT THAT TO PEYTON PRUITT. I'LL BE GOING OVER IN A COUPLE WEEKS, UH, WITH THE SHERIFF'S BOAT TO PERSONALLY DELIVER THAT TO HER. BUT I WANNA MAKE MATCHING HER GRADE POINT. AVERAGE AVERAGE WAS 4.12 AND SHE HAS A 30, SHE HAS 33 COLLEGE CREDITS. SO SHE, SHE DID EXTREMELY WELL. YES, SHE DID. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, 4.2, UH, PRESENTATION RESOLUTION TO ARCADIA HIGH SCHOOL, VALEDICTORIAN AND ASHLEY AUSTIN. WOW. ASHLEY, THIS IS A RESOLUTION TO RECOGNIZE ASHLEY AUSTIN FIVE TORIAN UPPER KA HIGH SCHOOL CLASS OF 2026. WHEREAS THE ACKMAN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WISHES TO RECOGNIZE ACADEMIC, EXCELLENT AND ACHIEVEMENT BY THE CAMPUS HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. AND WHEREAS MS. ASHLEY AUSTIN HAVING WORKED DILIGENTLY TO ACHIEVE A GRATEFUL AVERAGE OF 4.4725, HAS BEEN NAME THE TORIAN OF A HIGH SCHOOL CLASS OF 2026. AND WHEREAS MS. ASK AUSTIN HAS AMPLIFIED POSITIVE SOCIAL INTERACTION AND THE CHARACTER THAT SETS AN EXAMPLE FOR HER PEERS AS A STUDENT AND CITIZEN OF ACUMATIC COUNTY. AND WHEREAS WHILE MAINTAINING HER EDUCATION, MS. AUSTIN PARTICIPATED IN BETA BETA CLUB AND HIGH Y. AND WHERE IS MS. AUSTIN IS DESERVING OF RECOGNITION FOR HER ROLE IN THE COMMUNITY AS EARNING AN ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE FROM EASTERN SHORE COMMUNITY COLLEGE WITH OVER 64 COLLEGE CREDITS. AND NOW LET IT BE BAD FOR BE RESOLVED. THAT AMAN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISOR RECOGNIZES MS. AUSTIN [00:15:01] FOR HER ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT AND CONGRATULATES HER ON HER SELECTION OF TORIAN OF ARCADIA HIGH SCHOOL CLASS OF 2026. AND NOW BE A FURTHER RESULT THAT THE AKIMA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HEREBY COMMENCE AND HONORS THE 2026 ARCADIA HIGH SCHOOL. VALEDICTORIAN ASHLYN AUSTIN ON HER IMPRESSIVE ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT AND WISHES HER CONTINUED SUCCESS WORK FOR EDUCATION, STUDYING BIOMEDICAL, UM, BIO, UM, BIOMEDICAL ENGINEERING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA. SIGNED THIS 17TH DAY OF JUNE, 2026 BY THE ECAD COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. VANESSA JOHNSON, CHAIR, VICE CHAIR ELECTION DISTRICT THREE, ALL. WOW. GOOD JOB. I THOUGHT SHE WAS IN THE SEVENTH GRADE. . OKAY, WE'RE MOVING AROUND. I IS, UH, THE VALETO FROM SHTICK HIGH SCHOOL. IS THAT PERSON PRESENT? THEY'RE NOT PRESENT. NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DOWN TO THE PRESENTATION RESOLUTION FOR THE NANDU HIGH SCHOOL, UH, 2026 VALEDICTORIAN. AND I'M NOT EVEN GONNA TRY TO PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME IN THE FIELD THAT I WILL MURDER AT , BUT I'M SURE MR. HART WILL DO IT JUSTICE. WOULD YOU COME FORWARD? THE TORIAN OF, OF NO PRESSURE MEN DOING HIGH SCHOOL. UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I INTRODUCE YOU TO THE ONE AND ONLY GUY BA I SEE HIM EVERY DAY AT SCHOOL, UH, WHEN WE'RE WORKING. SO HE MEANS A LOT TO, UH, MANDU AND ALL OF US. UH, ANYWAY, THE RECOGNI, THE RESOLUTIONS YOU RECOGNIZE GUY BAJU VALEDICTORIAN MANDU HOSPITAL CLASS OF 26. WHEREAS THE YAKIMA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WISHES TO RECOGNIZE ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE AND ACHIEVEMENT OF THE COUNTY'S HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. AND WHEREAS MR. GUY ADVISES YOU, HAVING WORKED DILIGENTLY TO ACHIEVE A GRADE POINT AVERAGE OF 4.56 HAS BEEN NAMED VALEDICTORIAN FOR NANDO HIGH SCHOOL CLASS OF 26. AND WHEREAS MR. BAJU HAS EXEMPLIFIED POSITIVE SOCIAL INTERACTION AND EXEMPLARY CHARACTER, THAT SETS AN EXAMPLE FOR HIS PEERS AS A STUDENT AND CITIZEN OF AIMA COUNTY. AND WHEREAS WHILE MAINTAINING HIS EDUCATION, MR. BAJU PARTICIPATED IN BETA VIRGINIA MODEL GENERAL ASSEMBLY, ACHIEVED HONOR ROLL AND THE PRINCIPAL'S LIST, AND GRADUATED FROM THE ESCC WITH A UNIFORM CERTIFICATE OF GENERAL STUDIES SCIENCE ASSOCIATES DEGREE. AND WHEREAS MR. BASU PARTICIPATED IN CROSS COUNTRY TRACK, CROSS COUNTRY TRACK GOLF AND SOCCER. AND NOW THEREFORE LET IT BE RESOLVED THAT THE AKIMA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RECOGNIZES MR. GUY ADVISE YOU FOR HIS ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT AND CONGRATULATES HIM ON HIS SELECTION AS VALEDICTORIAN MAN OF HIGH SCHOOL CLASS OF 26. AND NOW BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE AKIMA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HEREBY COMMENDS AND HONORS THE 2026 NANDO HIGH SCHOOL. VALEDICTORIAN GUY ADVISE YOU ON HIS IMPRESSIVE ACADEMIC AND ATHLETIC ACHIEVEMENTS AND WISHES HIM CONTINUED SUCCESS WITH HIS EDUCATION, STUDYING BIOLOGY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA. SIGNED THE 17TH DAY OF JUNE, 2026 FOR THE AKIMA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND DONALD ALHART JR. ELECTION DISTRICT SUPERVISOR, DISTRICT EIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF, OF ATTENDING NANDU HIGH SCHOOL. AND MR. BAYOU DID A WONDERFUL JOB. YES. ON HIS VALEDICTORIAN SPEECH. ON HIS SPEECH. BRAVO . OKAY, WE'RE DOWN TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA. ANYBODY WANT TO MOVE WOULD BE APPROVED. SECOND MOVE WILL APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AND THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED. WE ARE DOWN TO OLD BUSINESS, [00:20:01] UH, TO CONSIDER AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND ODUS MINUS NINE TO FIVE PROGRAM TO DESIGN A IN, UH, INCREASED CHILDCARE CAPACITY TO AKIMA COUNTY BY CREATING UP TO SIX NEW FAMILY DAY HOME PROVIDERS. UH, MR. MASONS. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MIKE MASON, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. SO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS ASKED TONIGHT TO APPROVE A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND OLD DOMINION UNIVERSITY'S MINUS NINE TO FIVE PROGRAM THAT WILL ESTABLISH A FAMILY DAY HOME INCENTIVE PROGRAM HERE IN AKIMA COUNTY. THE PURPOSE OF THE PROGRAM IS TO INCENTIVIZE THE CREATION OF UP TO SIX NEW FAMILY DAY HOMES, THEREBY CREATING 24 TO 60 NEW CHILDCARE SLOTS IN IN AKIMA COUNTY. AND SO YOU MAY ASK WHY. WELL, THESE, THIS INITIATIVE WILL HELP ADDRESS LIMITED CHILDCARE AVAILABILITY ACROSS THE COUNTY, IN PARTICULAR IT'S NORTHERN AREA. IT WILL ADDRESS THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO WORKFORCE PARTICIPATION CAUSED BY THE LACK OF CHILDCARE OPTIONS. IT WILL ALSO ADDRESS THE ABSENCE OF AVAILABLE CHILDCARE FOR INFANTS AND CARE THAT IS AVAILABLE DURING NON-TRADITIONAL SERVICE HOURS, PROVIDING MORE OPPORTUNITIES AND PROVIDERS OUT THERE TO HANDLE THE NEEDS OF, OF COUNTY FOLKS. UM, AND AGAIN, UH, AND FINALLY, QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES THAT CURRENT AND FUTURE BUSINESSES DESIRE IF THEY ARE TO GROW AND PROSPER HERE. UM, DURING A LOT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, PROSPECT MEETINGS, QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES COME UP ABOUT LIVING ON THE SHORE AND HAVING A WORKFORCE ON THE SHORE. CHILDCARE IS ONE OF THE TOP DISCUSSION POINTS WITH THESE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROSPECTS. AND, AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT FRANKLY, THE COUNTY IS DOING TO ADDRESS WHAT HAS BEEN TERMED AS A CHILDCARE DESERT HERE LOCALLY IN SOME AREAS. UM, BUT IN ANY CASE, THIS PROGRAM SENDS A MESSAGE TO FUTURE PROSPECTS HERE IN MACK WHO WANT ASSURANCE THAT MIMA IS DOING ITS PART. AND I BELIEVE THIS PROGRAM WILL DO THAT. SO A A COUPLE QUICK EXCERPTS, UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THE ACTUAL PROGRAM. THIS WAS AN EXCERPT FROM, UH, HAMPTON RAISED EXECUTIVE BROWN TABLE MEETING ON MAY 19TH, UH, 2026 AT WHICH I ATTENDED. UM, AND IT WAS A SLIDE FROM, UH, THE PRESENTER WAS FROM THE VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP, VEDP. AND I, I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY RELEVANT, UM, NOT ONLY NATIONALLY, BUT HERE ON THE SHORE AS WELL, BUT IT, IT WAS, WHILE CHILDCARE MATTERS TO THE ECONOMY, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS NATIONWIDE, BUT, BUT FOUR POINTS HERE ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BUSINESSES LOSE 38 BILLION ANNUALLY DUE TO CHILDCARE RELATED PRODUCTIVITY DISRUPTIONS AND ABSENTEEISM. GOVERNMENTS LOSE 37 BILLION ANNUALLY IN TAX REVENUE BECAUSE OF REDUCED EARNINGS TIED TO CHILDCARE CHALLENGES. THE BROADER US ECONOMY LOSES AN ESTIMATED ONE HUNDRED AND ONE, ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY 2 BILLION ANNUALLY FROM INADEQUATE CHILDCARE ACCESS. AND, AND FINALLY, US CHAMBER FOUNDATION RESEARCH FOUND THAT STATES LOSE AN AVERAGE OF 1 BILLION ANNUALLY IN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY BECAUSE OF CHILDCARE, UH, BREAKDOWNS. AND, AND WE'RE EXPERIENCING THESE THINGS HERE, UH, LOCALLY AS AS WELL. UM, ONE OF THE, MY TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS MEETING WAS, UH, THERE WAS A, A TERM, A PHRASE USED AT, AT THIS MEETING THAT REALLY KIND OF SANK INTO ME. AND IT WAS, UH, FOLKS ARE CALLING CHILDCARE NOW, CHILDCARE INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, IT'S NO DIFFERENTLY. IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN UTILITIES AND BROADBAND ACCESS AND EVERYTHING. IT'S A NEEDED, UM, QUALITY OF LIFE SERVICE THAT HAS TO GO HAND IN HAND WITH ALL THESE THINGS. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD TERM, UH, TO REFER TO IT AS AS INFRASTRUCTURE. SO ANOTHER EXCERPT. THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM THE ECONOMIC IMPACT, UH, OF OPS ISLAND, THE AEROSPACE CLUSTER. AND THIS WAS, UM, FROM THAT STUDY THAT ODU DID BACK IN, UH, JUNE OF 2023. AND, AND I WOULD CAPTION IT ON YOUR WATCH WHILE WHY CHILDCARE MATTERS TO AKIMA COUNTY. AND SO, AND, AND THIS IS A QUOTE IT SAID, WITH THE RECENT ADDITION OF ROCKET LAB ONGOING ACTIVITIES, NORTH GRUMMAN CONTINUING ACTIVITIES OF NASA AND THE US NAVY, AS WELL AS THE GOODS AND SERVICES PRODUCED BY MEMBERS OF THE WILDS CONTRACTS ASSOCIATION, THERE IS A WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ISSUES THAT MAY CONSTRAIN FUTURE GROWTH OF THE FLIGHT FACILITY AND INDUSTRY COST CLUSTER. SO AGAIN, CHILDCARE IS ONE OF THOSE, UM, CONSTRAINTS, UM, THAT THE, THE NORTHERN AREA AND, AND, AND IN FACT, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE COUNTY IS FACED WITH. AGAIN, THIS PROGRAM WILL HOPEFULLY PUT A DENT IN THAT. SO PROGRAM DESIGN, THE PROGRAM IS MODELED AFTER A SUCCESSFUL INITIATIVE, UH, THAT WAS LAUNCHED IN THE CITY OF SUFFOLK, WHICH MINUS NINE TO FIVE LED IT, IT LEVERAGED WE'RE LEVERAGING LESSONS LEARNED FROM THAT PROGRAM, WHICH HAD BEEN, WHICH, WHICH HAD VERY SIMILAR GOALS AS THOSE [00:25:01] PURSUED UNDER THIS INITIATIVE. UM, THIS PROGRAM'S DESIGNED TO ENSURE WOULD BE PROVIDERS RECEIVE THE TRAINING, RESOURCES AND GUIDANCE NEEDED TO OPEN AND OPERATE SUCCESSFUL LICENSE, UH, DAY HOMES, FAMILY DAY HOMES HERE IN AKIMA COUNTY. AND THIS WAS JUST A PICTURE FROM, UH, SORT OF THE RIBBON CUTTING OF THAT PROGRAM IN, IN SUFFOLK. I THINK THERE WAS ONE PROVIDER IN CHESAPEAKE, BUT I'M, I'M SORT OF REFERRING TO IT AS AS THE SUFFIX PROGRAM. UM, THIS, THIS IS BOLD BOLDED BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IF YOU WANT THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS BASICALLY TRYING TO DEVELOP PROVIDERS AND WALK THEM THROUGH FROM THE BEGINNING, WHICH COULD BE AS BASIC AS FORMING THEM BUSINESS ALL THE WAY TO GETTING LICENSED OR THROUGH THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. SO THE, THE, YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO SIGN AN MOU THAT I'LL GET TO IN A SECOND. BUT AS FAR AS WHO'S DOING WHAT, THIS IS SORT OF A SUMMARY OF ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. UH, THE COUNTY'S GONNA ASSIST WITH PROMOTING MARKETING PROGRAM, POTENTIAL APPLICANTS, UM, THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE, LOCAL PRESS FLYERS, SOCIAL MEDIA AND GENERAL SIGNAGE. UH, WE'LL BE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN SORT OF CHAMPIONING, UH, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH MINUS FIVE. WE'LL BOTH BE SCREENING AND SELECTING APPLICANTS, WHICH ARE AMEND TO THE PROGRAM. AND WE WILL HAVE PARTICIPANTS CHOSEN, UM, THROUGH A COMPETITIVE SELECTION, UM, BASED ON ESTABLISHED CRITERIA. UH, THE PROGRAM IN TOTAL, UM, PROVIDES $40,000 OF PAPER OUT-OF-POCKET COSTS, INCLUDING MARKETING, APPLICANT TRAINING, LICENSURE, SUPPLIES, AND EQUIPMENT. THAT'S NOT $40,000 PER FAMILY DOWN, THAT'S $40,000 FOR THE ENTIRE PROGRAM TO PAY FOR THE COST, THE OUT-OF-POCKET COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, UM, MINUS NINE. THE FIVE FIVE'S ROLE IS, UM, IT'S USING ITS EXPERTISE TO PROVIDE HANDS-ON GUIDANCE TO APPLICANTS BY ASSISTING THESE FUTURE CHILDCARE PROVIDERS WITH BECOMING A BUSINESS, COMPLETING ALL THE PREREQUISITES NEEDED TO OBTAIN A CONDITIONAL LICENSE TO OPERATE A FAMILY TO HOME IN VIRGINIA. AND, AND FINALLY PREPARING FOR AND OBTAINING A TWO YEAR LICENSE FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION TO OPERATE A FAMILY DAY, UH, HOME GOING FORWARD. SO, UM, I HAD, I PUT TOGETHER A FEW, UH, FAQS, BASICALLY JUST TO PUT SOME INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT I THOUGHT WAS RELEVANT HERE. SO ONE OF THESE, UM, THE FIRST QUESTION, HOW IS THIS PROGRAM DIFFERENT FROM PAST COUNTY GRANT PROGRAMS AIMED AT IMPROVING CHILDCARE AVAILABILITY? UM, AND, AND THE BOARD, UH, TO ITS CREDIT, HAS APPROVED IN THE PAST MULTIPLE ALLOCATIONS OF FUNDS TO HELP STRENGTHEN CHILDCARE OPTIONS IN AKIMA COUNTY. THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION IS, PAST COUNTY CHILDCARE INITIATIVES HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON EXPANDING CHILD DAY CENTERS. CHILD DAY CENTERS ARE CENTER, ARE, ARE CARE PLACES FOR TWO OR MORE CHILDREN IN A FACILITY THAT'S NOT A RESIDENCE OR 13 OR MORE CHILDREN ANYWAY. SO THEY'RE BIGGER, LARGER FACILITIES. GENERALLY, WHEN I'M SPEAKING OF THEM, I'M SPEAKING TO THEM IN TERMS AS THEY HAVE MORE THAN 13, 13 OR MORE CHILDREN AT THAT. UM, AT THAT PLACE OF BUSINESS, THIS INITIATIVE IS FOCUSED ON DEVELOPING NEW FAMILY DAY HOMES. FAMILY DAY HOMES ARE SMALLER WITH A MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF 12, WHICH WHERE CARE IS PROVIDED IN THE RESIDENTS ITSELF. SO AGAIN, PAST PAST INCENTIVE PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON THE LARGER CHILD DAY CENTERS. UM, THIS ONE IS, IS FOCUSED ON, ON SMALLER ENTITIES. AND REALLY SOMETHING THAT WAS SORT OF LEARNED ALONG THE WAY HERE IS THAT IT REALLY TAKES, UM, A A COMBINATION OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, APPROACHES TO, UM, TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, UM, IN, IN, IN SOLVING SOME OF OUR CHILDCARE, UH, PROBLEMS HERE. SO QUESTION TWO, IS THE PROGRAM OPEN TO APPLICANTS FROM THE ENTIRE COUNTY OR JUST THOSE WILLING TO OPERATE IN SELECT AREAS? SO THE PROGRAM IS OPEN. ALL COUNTY RESIDENTS DESIRING TO OPEN A NEW FAMILY TO HOME REGARDLESS OF LOCATION. WHEN I SAY REGARDLESS OF LOCATION, JUST WHERE THE PROVIDER IS TO BE BASED, YOU KNOW, ZONING AND ALL THAT THING, ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS COME INTO PLAY. BUT FOR PURPOSES OF THE PROGRAM, UH, ANYONE IN THE COUNTY CAN, UH, CAN, UH, APPLY TOWARDS. IT WILL BE PROVIDERS THAT ARE LOCATED IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO ROUTE 1 75 IN WATTS ISLAND. IN OTHER WORDS, NORTHERN MACK WILL BE GIVEN ADDITIONAL POINTS DURING THE APPLICANT'S SCORING PROCESS JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A GREAT NEED THERE. UM, ALL APPLICANTS WILL WILL BE SCREENED FOR ELIGIBILITY DURING THE APPLICATION PROCESS. SO QUESTION THREE, WHAT TYPES OF ASSISTANCE WILL APPLICANTS RECEIVE AS SELECTED INTO THE PROGRAM? AND SO THIS SLIDE WAS PUT FORWARD JUST TO SORT OF GIVE YOU SORT OF THAT HANDS-ON. WHAT KIND OF, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF ASSISTANCE COULD A PROVIDER A WOULD BE PROVIDER EXPECT DURING THIS? UH, AND I DON'T HAVE TO SUMMARIZE, UH, HIT ALL THESE, BUT EVERYTHING FROM FORMING A BUSINESS, JUST LEARNING HOW TO PUT TOGETHER A BUDGET, UH, COMPLETING THAT REQUIRE PRE-SERVICE TRAINING AND THERE'S A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS HERE, AND [00:30:02] THESE PROVIDERS, THESE FOLKS NEED, EXCUSE ME, NEED SOMEONE WHO'S EXPERIENCE KNOWS WHAT THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE AND REALLY NEEDS THAT PERSONAL ASSISTANCE TO WALK THEM THROUGH, UM, EVERYTHING FROM CPR AND FIRST AID CERTIFICATIONS, MAKING SURE THEY, THEY'RE OBTAINED, EXCUSE ME. GETTING THROUGH ALL THE FORMS OF VDOE REQUIRES, UM, TAKING ACTIONS NECESSARY TO OBTAIN THE SIX MONTHS CONDITIONAL PURCHASING, NECESSARY SUPPLIES AND, UM, EQUIPMENT, FURNITURE, TOYS, EVERYTHING THAT ARE REQUIRED. PREPARING FOR AN INTERVIEW WITH VDOA THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE, UM, THE LICENSURE PROCESS, UM, PREPARING FOR PRE-INSPECTION WALKTHROUGHS AND IMPLEMENTING RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, MINUS NINE, MINUS NINE TO FIVE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE OUT LOOKING AT THE LOCATIONS, THE PROVIDER LOCATIONS DOING LIKE MOCK INSPECTIONS, OFFERING FEEDBACK, ALL DESIGNED TO AGAIN, GET THE, WOULD BE PROVIDER THROUGH THE PROCESS OF BECOMING LICENSED. MR. MASON, I HATE TO, YOU ARE ON THE ROLL AND I'M THOROUGHLY ENJOYING IT. BUT YOU GOING, COULD YOU PUT, JUST PUT A PEN RIGHT THERE BECAUSE I NEED TO GO TO PUBLIC HEARING UNDERSTOOD. I THINK HE'S PASSIONATE ABOUT, HE'S VERY PASSIONATE AND I'M GLAD BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO. THAT'S OKAY. UH, WE, AT OUR PUBLIC HEARING, UH, DO YOU HAVE PERSONS TO HAVE SIGNED? PERSON SIGNED. OKAY. MADAM COUNTY ATTORNEY, WOULD YOU READ THE RULES? OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THE SPEAKER'S RULES FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE AS FOLLOWS. ALL PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK SHALL SIGN THE REGISTER. PERSONS ADDRESSING THE BOARD SHOULD STAND BEHIND THE LECTERN PERSONS ADDRESSING. THE BOARD SHALL BE LIMITED TO FOUR MINUTES. PERSONS ADDRESSING THE BOARD SHALL NOT USE INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE OR VERBALLY ATTACK. ANY BOARD MEMBER OR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SIGNS AND PLACARDS ARE NOT ALLOWED INSIDE THE MEETING ROOM. ANY PERSON WHOSE BEHAVIOR IS DISRUPTIVE SHALL BE ASKED TO LEAVE THE MEETING ROOM. PERSONS MAY NOT QUESTION INDIVIDUAL SUPERVISORS. AND IF SO, EXCUSE ME, I'VE LOST MY PLACE HERE AGAIN. MAY NOT QUESTION INDIVIDUAL SUPERVISORS OR STAFF MEMBERS WITHOUT UNANIMOUS CONSENT OF THE BOARD PERSONS ADDRESSING. THE BOARD SHALL LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS TO THE ISSUE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. A SPEAKER MAY RESERVE THEIR TIME BUT SHALL NOT DELEGATE THEIR TIME TO ANOTHER SPEAKER. ATTORNEYS REPRESENTING CLIENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO 10 MINUTES. AND IF ANY ATTORNEY SPEAKS UNDER THIS PROVISION, A REPRESENTATIVE HOLDING AN OPPOSING VIEW SHALL ALSO BE PROVIDED 10 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR VIEW. THE CHAIR HAS THE RIGHT AND DUTY TO MAINTAIN PROPER ORDER IN ACCORDANCE WITH THESE RULES. OKAY, OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING FOR AMENDMENT OF TO OUN COUNTY CODE CHAPTER 56, MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC. UM, MR. PROC, MS. PROCTOR, YOU GONNA SPEAK TO THAT? CERTAINLY. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE REQUESTED BY THE, UH, RAIL TRAIL FOUNDATION TO REGULATE THE RAIL TRAIL. WHEN IT DOES COME TO AKIMA COUNTY, IT'S BASIC RULES ABOUT BASICALLY PROHIBITING ELECTRIC VEHICLES ON, ON THE RAIL TRAIL. AND THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE PERMITTED BY STATE LAW. CERTAIN CLASSES OF ELECTRIC BICYCLES ARE PERMITTED AND THE ORDINANCE RECOGNIZES THOSE VEHICLES BEING ALLOWED ON THE TRAIL, BUT OTHERS ARE PROHIBITED, INCLUDING GOLF CARTS. AND THERE IS ALSO A CIVIL PENALTY PROVIDED FOR VIOLATIONS. THANK YOU. THERE WEREN'T ANY PERSONS THAT SIGNED UP FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING. ARE THERE ANY PERSONS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT? I'M OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY PERSONS WANNA SPEAK? ONCE, TWICE. I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? MADAM CHAIRMAN, I MAY AS, AS A MEMBER OF THE EASTERN SHORE RAILROAD TRAIL FOUNDATION, AS IS YOU, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, ADOPT THE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 56 OF THE YAKIMA COUNTY CODE MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC. SECOND, IT'S REMOVED PROPERLY. SECOND, THAT WE DO ADOPT, UH, THIS ORDINANCE OR THIS CODE. ANY FURTHER [00:35:01] DIS UH, DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AND THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED. OKAY. I KNOW. NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS TO DISCUSS THE FFY 26 BUDGET AMENDMENTS REQUEST IN MIMA COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO RECOGNIZE THE VARIOUS STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS. ARE YOU SPEAKING TO THAT MR. MASON? I, I, I CAN. THANK YOU MA'AM. CHAIR MIKE MASON, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. UH, WE MAY HAVE OTHER SUPER, UH, AKIMA COUNTY SCHOOL REPRESENTATIVES HERE, BUT THIS IS A PRETTY SIMPLE, UM, REQUEST. UH, THE SCHOOLS HAVE RECEIVED 5.5 MILLION ROUGHLY, AND, UH, STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE APPROPRIATED. AND BECAUSE THAT AMOUNT IS SIGNIFICANT AND MORE THAN 1% OF YOUR OPERATING BUDGET REQUIRES PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU AGAIN. THERE ISN'T ANYONE WHO'S SIGNED. I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THERE'S NO ONE WHO HAS SIGNED. ARE THERE ANY PERSONS IN THE AUDIENCE? ONCE, TWICE PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED. WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? MADAM CHAIR? I MOVE. WE APPROVE AMENDMENTS REQUESTED BY THE AKIMA COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS TOTAL AND $5,508,073 TO RECOGNIZE VARIOUS STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS. OKAY, IT'S MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND, THAT WE DO, UH, APPROVE THE FY 26 BUDGET AMENDMENTS TO REQUESTED BY ACK COUNTY PUBLIC PUBLIC SCHOOL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE A. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, AND THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED. OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS, UH, FOR THE DHCD COMMUNITY, UH, DEVELOPMENT BLOCK, GRAND HORN TOWN COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT APPLICATION. I'M TRYING TO FIND WHO THE STAFF PERSON. OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM. AND YOU ARE? I'M CAITLYN. I'M THE, THE NEWEST MEMBER OF THE ECAC NORTHAMPTON PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION. OH, WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU. HELLO BOARD, I'M HERE TO PROPOSE A SOLUTION TO SOME SEVERE HEALTH HAZARDS IN HORN TOWN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. SO FIRST OF ALL, THE ENTIRE PROJECT SCOPE IS 10 TOTAL PROPERTIES THAT INCLUDES DEMOLISHING 10 TOTAL HOMES. FOUR OF THOSE ARE ABANDONED AND OPPOSE CONSTRUCTION HEALTH RISKS. AND THEN SIX OF THEM ALSO PROPOSE ALSO INCLUDE SEVERE HEALTH RISKS. SO IN 2024, THERE WAS A PLANNING GRANT, AND THIS PREVIOUSLY WAS PROPOSED AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD. SO HOPEFULLY THIS RINGS SOME BELLS, BUT ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES WILL HELP LOW TO MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES. AND WE'RE READY TO MOVE TO THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO ASK THE STATE DHCD FOR 1.25 MILLION, AND THEN AKIMA COUNTY FOR 150 K FOR DEMOLITION. AND SO TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET, 1.4 MILLION. THIS IS THE PROJECT AREA. AGAIN, ALL OF THESE FILES ARE AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST. WE DID A VERY DETAILED PLANNING GRANT TO BE READY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION GRANT. UM, THIS JUST DESCRIBES WHY THE, SOME OF THE FUNDING OR WHERE SOME OF THE FUNDING GOES, WHY SOME OF THE SEWAGE SYSTEMS ARE NOT ACCURATE OR NOT SATISFACTORY RIGHT NOW, WHY WE NEED, UM, MORE ADVANCED SEWAGE SYSTEMS. AND THEN THAT JUST TALKS ABOUT, UM, HOW MANY UNITS WERE EVALUATED. THIS GOES INTO SOME OF THE, THE LARGER ISSUES OF YOU CAN SEE, UM, EXPOSED ELECTRICAL HAZARDS. THAT'S AN IMMEDIATE RED FLAG. UM, OR A STRUCTURAL BULGING BUCKLING OF WALLS, FAILED WATER SYSTEMS, UM, JUST, OOPS, APOLOGIES. UM, AND THEN HERE, JUST SOME SITE CONDITIONS. YOU CAN SEE JUST SOME, SOME OF THE WATER DAMAGE PROPOSES IMMEDIATE THREATS. AND THEN HERE ARE SOME, UM, COMPLETELY DILAPIDATED STRUCTURES THAT JUST NEED TO BE TORN DOWN. OH, AND I DO WANNA MENTION THAT IN ONE OF THE SYSTEMS THERE IS SOME SEWAGE THAT WAS GOING INTO THE DRINKING WATER. SO THIS REALLY IS A SEVERE HEALTH HAZARD THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. AND JUST NEXT STEPS, TIMELINE, PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER ONE. I'M ALSO IN, IN ADDITION TO ASKING FOR YOU TO PASS THIS RESOLUTION FOR US TO ASK DHCD FOR 1.25 MILLION, I'M ALSO ASKING FOR APPROVAL TO HAVE THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 30TH IN HORN TOWN. AND THEN ON JULY 1ST, UM, THE MACK NORTHAMPTON PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION HAS THE ENTIRE APPLICATION READY FOR SUBMISSION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? I DO. GO AHEAD MR. CAITLIN. THANK YOU FOR COMING. UM, SO WHAT CONDITION WILL THE LOTS BE IN AT ASSUMING THIS, THIS, ASSUMING YOU GET THE FUNDING AND DEMOLITION OCCURS, WHAT IS THE STANDARD FOR THE LOTS [00:40:01] WHEN YOU'RE DONE, ERIC? OH, ERIC RETO. I GO A PLAN DISTRICT COMMISSION, UM, DEMOLITION OF 10 STRUCTURES. WE ARE REBUILDING SIX NEW HOMES IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THOSE, UM, UH, HOMES. IN FACT, DEMOLISHED. AND FOUR OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE A LEFT VACANT. THEY'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BE GRADED AND IT'S JUST GONNA BE A EMPTY LOT AT THAT POINT. SO THAT INCLUDE REMOVING THE PREVIOUS OR THE EXISTING SEWAGE STRUCTURE? UH, INFRASTRUCTURE? UH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT, WELL, I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. YEAH. AS IT SHOULD BE. YEAH. NO, I, I MEAN, I'M JUST, EXCUSE MY SARCASM AT LEAST CRUSHED, UM, MOST, UH, WELL AND SEPTIC, UH, CRUSHED THE SYSTEM, THE EXISTING SYSTEM, SO THEY CAN'T BE USED FOR, UH, DO ANYTHING ELSE ANYMORE. OKAY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT ASPECT OF IT. YEAH. YEAH, DEFINITELY. I, I JUST LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, I WONDER OF THE NUMBER OF, OF HOMES IN MY DISTRICT THAT MIGHT ALSO BE ELIGIBLE. SO I HOPE IN THE FUTURE WE CAN EXPAND THE PROJECT. SO THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. OKAY. LAST YEAR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THE DACD COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, HOMETOWN COMMUNITY. AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER WHO HAVE SIGNED, UH, MR. KATINA FOCU. MS. FOCU, IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME AND TELL US WHERE YOUR RESIDENCE. OKAY, GOOD. UNION BOARD. UM, MY NAME IS KATINA FOCU AND ONE OF THEM PICTURES WAS OF, UM, MY HOUSE, BUT THE ADDRESS WAS WRONG. THE ADDRESS IS 3 5 0 6 9 HORN TOWN ROAD IN HORN TOWN. AND I COME ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY OF MY FELLOW HORN TOWN COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO ADDRESS, TO SEE, UM, HOW MUCH LONGER WILL IT TAKE? UM, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS, SOME OF US, UM, ARE LIVING WITH OTHER RELATIVES BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS OF OUR HOUSE. MY HOUSE WAS ONE OF THE HOUSES THAT IT WAS, UM, THE SEWAGE WAS GOING INTO OUR WATER WHERE MY KIDS, WE HAD TO STOP DRINKING IT. THE, UM, ROOF CAVED IN. SO WE HAD TO MOVE OUT. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PERSONS THAT LIKE TO SPEAK? SURE, MA'AM. COME FORTH. YES, MA'AM. IF YOU COULD TELL US YOUR NAME AND YOUR RESIDENCE. OKAY. YEAH. UH, YES. MY NAME IS STACY LEE AND I STAY AT 3 5 0 4 8 JUSTICE ROAD. UM, I DON'T THINK ONE OF THE PICTURES WERE ONE OF MY HOUSES, BUT THEY DID COME AND, UM, THEY KNEW LIKE, UH, THERE WAS SOME SPOTS IN MY MOBILE HOME THAT WE REALLY NEEDED TO ADDRESS AND, UM, WE, WE COULDN'T AFFORD. SO LIKE, YEAH, IT HAS BEEN LIKE TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND THE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN GETTING WORSE. UM, NOW, LIKE, UH, IT'S LIKE IF YOU GET, UH, IF I DO SIGN LIKE A CONTRACTOR TO PUT IN A NEW FLOOR, IT DOESN'T LAST BECAUSE, UM, I GUESS IT'S, UM, SO MUCH MOISTURE UNDERNEATH MY HOUSE THAT IT JUST COMPLETELY JUST GETS, JUST FALLS IN. LIKE, WE'LL HEAR SOMETHING AND IT JUST, IT'S JUST FALLING, LIKE THE BOTTOM FLOOR IS LIKE FALLING. SO I PROBABLY BE MAYBE BE IN THE SAME PREDICAMENT AS KATINA'S FAMILY IF LIKE NOTHING IS DONE, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO STAY WITH, UM, FAMILY MEMBERS UNTIL LIKE, WE CAN EITHER, YOU KNOW, LIKE TRYING TO GET IT, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THE, THE SITUATION. LIKE, WE'RE WAITING PATIENTLY, BUT IT IS LIKE TAKING A LONG TIME. AND WE WANT TO KNOW WHEN IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET HELP? LIKE, LIKE I SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER PLACES AND, AND OTHER COUNTIES WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING LIKE HOMES. AND I'M LIKE, WELL, WE'VE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME AND WE STILL, LIKE, THEY SAID, OH, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE YOU ARE YOUR, LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO YOU. BUT IT'S BEEN TWO AND A HALF YEARS, SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU. JUST PLEASE, THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEAH. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE [00:45:01] PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED. WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? MADAM CHAIR? GO AHEAD, MR. RIGHT. MADAM CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD TO APPROVE DHCD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GRANT APPLICATION, UM, IN HORN TOWN COMMUNITY SECOND IMPROVEMENT PROJECT APPLICATION. OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOVING PROPERLY. SECOND, UH, THAT WE, UH, GO FORWARD WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE DCHD COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, HOMETOWN COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. ANY DISCUSSION, MADAM? OKAY. I THINK MR. MASON, THEN I'LL LET YOU MR. HART, GO AHEAD. MR. MASON, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? MY, MY COMMENTS CAN WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE VOTE. OKAY. BUT I DID WANNA PROVIDE A FEW CLARIFYING COMMENTS. OKAY, MR. HART? UM, YES MA'AM. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANTED TO THE CITIZEN, BOTH CITIZENS WHO SPOKE, ASKED THE QUESTION OF WHEN, HOW LONG, AND DO WE HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT? YES. WHEN, WHEN WILL WE, WHEN WILL THEY SEE SOMETHING HAPPENING? HOW MUCH LONGER? YES. SO THE 2024, UM, PLANNING GRANT WAS FOR RESEARCH, WE DID APPLY LAST YEAR FOR THIS SAME EXACT IMPLEMENTATION GRANT, AND WE WERE DENIED BY THE STATE. SO WE ARE APPLYING AGAIN THIS YEAR AND WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO GET APPROVED AND IT JULY 1ST AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN BEGIN SOME FALL. WELL, NO, WE'RE AWARDED BY SOMETIME IN THE FALL. IF WE ARE AWARDED THE GRANT ONCE AWARDED THE FALL, WE CAN BEGIN WORK RIGHT AWAY. OKAY. SO THE FALL OF THIS YEAR? YES. BUT LET'S BE CLEAR, THAT'S NOT SAYING YOU'LL HAVE FUNDING, YOU'LL KNOW IF YOU'RE APPROVED. CORRECT. WHEN, WHEN, WHEN MIGHT, IF THAT APPROVAL COMES THROUGH, WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO DO WORK? PROBABLY BE UP BY THE WINTER. MADAM CHAIR QUESTION. OKAY, MR. WASHINGTON? YES. UH, ONE MORE QUESTION. UM, WHAT WAS THE REASON WHY IT WASN'T APPROVED THE LAST TIME? DO YOU KNOW? I, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN. IT WAS, UH, I WAS RELATIVELY NEW TO THE PDC. I DIDN'T HAVE FULL, UH, REASON WHY, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS ON THE APPLICATION, IT WANTS A LIST OF EVERYBODY WHO'S GONNA BE INVOLVED WITH THE PROJECT. THERE WAS A LACK OF EXPERIENCE INVOLVED WITH, UM, SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WAS LISTED ON THAT APPLICATION. THERE WERE KEY PEOPLE MISSING. ELAINE MILL BEING ONE WITH HER 20 PLUS YEARS. SHE WAS NOT INCLUDED ON THE APPLICATION. THERE WAS OUR HAZARD REHAB SPECIALIST WHO HAS SEVEN YEARS WHO WAS NOT INCLUDED ON THE APPLICATION. UM, THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN CORRECT. THEY HAVE BEEN CORRECTED, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR QUESTION AND GONE? WELL, I'M JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER SIX MONTHS WE'RE TALKING. I, I'M I'M SIX. BEFORE YOU EVEN GET STARTED AND COMPLETION WOULD BE AT LEAST ANOTHER BE A YEAR. WELL, SOME OF THESE, THESE CITIZENS, WELL, OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD, , IF YOU LET ME TALK. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. GIVE YOU , GIMME THE FLOOR, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. UM, I'M CONCERNED TOO. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT LAST TIME IT DIDN'T GET, IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE ARE SOME BASIC YEAH. BASIC. EXACTLY. BASIC AND, UH, CARELESS, I HATE TO SAY MM-HMM . REASONS WHY THEY WERE APPROVED. I MEAN, PEOPLE AIN'T SIGNING THE, THE FORM. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT GOOD. I'M SORRY. AND I DON'T, I'M NOT TRYING TO BASH, UH, EASTERN SHO I MEAN, I'VE SAT ON THAT BOARD, BUT THAT'S NOT GOOD. SO WHAT, OKAY. I, I KNOW YOU ARE ANXIOUS TO SPEAK, BUT WHAT I MEAN ARE YOU DOTTING ALL THE I'S AND CROSSING ALL THE T'S THIS TIME? ABSOLUTELY. THAT MAKES SURE WORK THAT WE DO HAVE A GOOD CHANCE FOR IT TO GET APPROVED. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, I SO GO AHEAD. MR. PARK. UM, I WOULD ASK IF APPROPRIATE, DID YOU GUYS INQUIRE AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHY IT WAS DENIED LAST TIME AND SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH US AS THIS THE PROCESS GOES FORWARD? ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I NOTICE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. ANY OTHER HEARING? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AND THE MOTION HAS CARRIED. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, MR. UM, MASON. WELL, THE PAST SPEAKER PRETTY MUCH MADE THE COMMENTS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE. ONE, THIS IS THE SECOND ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN GRANT FUNDING. FIRST ONE WAS DENIED. WE CAN EASILY SUPPLY THE GRANT, UM, DENIAL LETTER, WHICH USUALLY PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION AS TO THE REASONING AND, AND JUST, I, I KNOW THIS IS NOT WHAT EVERYONE WANTS TO HEAR, BUT THIS IS AN APPLICATION, SO NOTHING IS GUARANTEED HERE. RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND THAT. TRUE. UM, AND SO, UH, JUST WANT TO PUT THOSE EXPECTATIONS AT THAT LEVEL. UM, WE THINK WE HAVE A STRONG APPLICATION, BUT WE NEED THE ASSISTANCE OF THE COMMONWEALTH IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD THE PROJECT. MM-HMM. MR. UH, P MA'AM? CHAIR, UH, MR. MASON, WOULD YOU SEND [00:50:01] THE BOARD A COPY, UH, BOARD MEMBERS A COPY OF THE REASONING BEHIND AN HONOR? MM-HMM . THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. OKAY. I, I GUESS, UM, THIS IS MY LAST COPY. I JUST HOPE THAT THIS TIME THAT WE'LL PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD AND EFFORT IN THIS APPLICATION. HUNDRED PERCENT. OKAY. I HOPE SO. AND I THINK AS A BOARD, AND I THINK I CAN SPEAK AT THE BOARD, WE ARE GOING TO BE FOLLOWING THIS ONE. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. MR. MASON, I THINK I INTERRUPTED YOU BEFORE. OH, THAT ALL THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO, I GOT ONE MORE. SORRY. I'M, SO, I GOT RUNG UP, I'M SORRY. CONTINUED FROM MAY THE 20TH 26 MEETING, PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CAPA RE RESILIENCE, UH, AMENDMENTS. WHO'S GONNA BE, WHO'S THE STAFF SPEAKER? MR. LEE . THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. LEE PAM, A DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU HAD MENTIONED, MADAM CHAIR, THIS WAS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS, UM, THAT WAS DEFERRED FROM LAST MONTH TO THIS MONTH, PENDING JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS. NUMBER ONE, UH, A REVISION TO THE ORDINANCE TO PROPOSE REMOVAL OF THE CHE BAY STANDARDS FROM SEASIDE, ESSENTIALLY DELETING THE ATLANTIC OCEAN DRAINAGE AREA FROM OUR ORDINANCE, AND THEREFORE ALSO REMOVING THOSE, UH, THOSE REQUIREMENTS. SECONDLY, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE, UH, ON, ON, ON THE VARIOUS REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN EFFECT HERE. UH, AND ALSO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, A QUICK LESSON ON EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL VERSUS STORM WATER, SO WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT THE PURPOSES OF THOSE ARE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DID ASK KIMLEY HORN, UH, TO BE HERE TONIGHT. SO WE'VE GOT OUR, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR ENGINEER, HIS NAME IS CARL MURTI. I'M SURE YOU'VE ALL HEARD HIS NAME BEFORE. HE'S WORKED WITH THE COUNTY FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND, UH, AND THE, AND THE VIRGINIA BEACH OFFICE OF KIMLEY-HORN HAS DONE THOSE REVIEWS FOR US, UH, AND THEY'VE DONE THEM WELL. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET INTO THIS, UH, SLIDE DECK TO, UH, HOPEFULLY ORIENT, UM, UH, THE BOARD AS WELL AS THESE INTERESTED PARTIES PRESENT ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CHESAPEAKE BAY PRESERVATION AREA, UH, AND THE KAPPA OR, UH, IN LONG FORM THE CHESAPEAKE ATLANTIC PRESERVATION AREA. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ON THAT? SO, I FIRST WOULD LIKE TO START ON, UH, THE, THE, THE EXTENT OF THE, UH, UH, OF THE, UH, UH, CHES BAY DRAINAGE AREA HERE IN THE COMMONWEALTH. AND EVERYTHING NORTH OF THIS RED DASH LINE, UH, UP TO THE, THE NORTHERN BORDER OF, UH, OF VIRGINIA, UH, DRAINS TO THE CHESAPEAKE BAY. NOW AS WE FOCUS IN ON THE EASTERN SHORE HERE ON THIS, UM, ON THIS NEXT SLIDE. AND, AND, UH, THIS SLIDE WAS, UH, GENERATED BY TOM BROCKEN, BRO, OUR GIS UH, MANAGER. SO AGAIN, UH, UH, UH, UH, MACK COUNTY HERE, THE NORTHERN PART OF THE EASTERN SHORE. AND, UH, THIS MAP, UH, WE, WE DON'T INTEND TO SHOW THE ENTIRE DRAINAGE AREA BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW, UH, BAYSIDE VERSUS SEASIDE. UM, AS I HAD MENTIONED LAST MONTH, ROUTE 13 IS A GOOD RULE OF THUMB, BUT NOT A PRECISE GUIDE FOR WHAT'S BAYSIDE AND WHAT'S SEASIDE, WHAT DRAINS TO THE BAYSIDE AND WHAT DRAINS TO THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. ROUTE 13 IS THIS RED LINE RIGHT HERE. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE DRAINAGE AREA KIND OF MEANDERS BACK AND FORTH, UM, FROM EAST TO WEST AND VICE VERSA ALONG ROUTE 13. AND THAT'S TO SAY THAT THERE ARE SOME AREAS EAST OF ROUTE 13 THAT YOU WOULD THINK WOULD DRAIN TO THE OCEAN, ACTUALLY DRAINS TO THE BAY. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME AREAS, UM, UH, UH, IN PURPLE FOR THE, FOR THE ATLANTIC OCEAN DRAINAGE AREA THAT'S WEST OF ROUTE 13, THAT YOU WOULD THINK, AGAIN WOULD DRAIN TO THE BAY SIDE OR TO THE CHESAPEAKE BAY, BUT ACTUALLY DRAINS TO THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. AGAIN. ROUTE 13 IS, UH, IS A GOOD RULE OF THUMB, BUT IS NOT THAT PRECISE ACTUAL RULE. THIS CHART HERE, UH, ILLUSTRATES THE, THE DIFFERENT REGULATIONS AS IT PERTAINS VERY GENERALLY ACROSS THE STATE, UM, AND AT WHAT LEVEL OF REGULATION. AND OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT THE CODE REFERENCES. IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED TO ACTUALLY CLICK ON THESE LINKS HERE IN BLUE, WE CAN DO THAT. BUT THE CHESAPEAKE ATLANTIC PRESERVATION AREA WAS A VOLUNTARY, UH, ACTION TAKEN BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BACK IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS 2009, TO, UH, TO APPLY CHESAPEAKE [00:55:01] BAY REGULATIONS ON THE ATLANTIC OCEAN TO THE ATLANTIC OCEAN DRAINAGE AREA. SO THAT IS A COUNTY REGULATION THAT IS NOT A STATE REGULATION. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF CODE REFERENCES AS IT PERTAINS TO, UH, TO, TO STORM WATER. UH, ONE IS CHAPTER 38. UH, THAT'S OUR, UH, THAT'S OUR, UH, ENVIRONMENT CHAPTER. ARTICLE THREE SPECIFICALLY IS OUR EROSION AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. CHAPTER 1 0 6, WHICH IS THE ZONING ORDINANCE, HAS THE REGULATIONS FOR THE KAPPA OR THE CHESAPEAKE ATLANTIC PRESERVATION OVERLAID DISTRICT ITSELF. IT IS THIS CODE SECTION THAT, UM, THAT THE BOARD WILL NOW BE CONSIDERING REMOVING FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THEREBY DELETING ANY, UH, REGULATION FOR STORM WATER. UH, WELL, I SHOULD SAY THE, UH, THE CHESAPEAKE BAY REGULATIONS FOR STORM WATER ON THE ATLANTIC OCEAN SIDE. MADAM CHAIRMAN, MR. HART, UM, LEE, I WAS HERE. MM-HMM . BIG ARGUMENT, BIG FIGHT AMONG BOARD MEMBERS, BUT STAFF BACK THEN WANTED IT BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY, THEY, BY HAVING IT SPLIT, YOU HAVE TWO, TWO DIFFERENT REGS. ONE FOR THE BAY ONE, IT'S CREATED A LOT MORE WORK, A LOT MORE HASSLE, A LOT MORE DISCUSSION AND ARGUMENTS WITH CITIZENS. WELL, I'M ON THAT SIDE OF 13, BUT MINE FLOWS THIS WAY NOW. THEY, THEY SAID BY HAVING ONE, ONE SET OF REGS FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY MADE IT BETTER. AND NORTHAMPTON COUNTY AT THAT TIME, I GUESS THEY STILL DO, THEY HAVE IT ON BOTH SIDES. OKAY. SO AX SEASIDE WOULD'VE BEEN DIFFERENT, BUT THAT'S WHY IT WAS PUT WITH THE COUNT, THE COUNT, A MAJORITY. IT WAS NOT A UNANIMOUS VOTE. I THINK IT WAS A FIVE FOUR MM-HMM . UM, AND IT WAS, UH, BACK THEN, BUT THAT'S WHY IT WAS DONE, BECAUSE STAFF ASKED FOR IT. SO HOW DOES THAT PLAY NOW? I MEAN, IF YOU START ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW HAVING TO DO TWO SETS OF REGS, ONE FOR THE BAY, ONE FOR THE SEA, WHAT IS THAT GONNA DO TO WORKLOAD? I MEAN, ALL THOSE QUESTIONS ARE GONNA COME BACK UP AGAIN THAT THE BOARD DISCUSSED AND FOUGHT AND, AND HAD BIG FIGHTS AND EVERYBODY OVER, SO, AND CITIZENS TOO, RIGHT? SO WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION? YES, SIR. SO THERE WERE, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REASONS FOR REMOVAL TODAY. EVERYONE HAS HEARD THE PUBLIC COMMENT EARLIER ON IN THE SESSION ABOUT HAVING TO HIRE ENGINEERS, ESPECIALLY IF THEIR PROJECT'S ON THE, UH, IS ON THE SEASIDE. RIGHT? I BELIEVE THAT THE PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER WAS ON THE BASE SIDE. BUT, UM, BUT, UH, UH, WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO EXPERIENCE IS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF THAT PUSHBACK ON HAVING TO DO CHESAPEAKE BAY AT, OF HAVING TO FOLLOW CHESAPEAKE BAY REGULATIONS ON THE SEASIDE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S VOLUNTARY AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. AGAIN, IT WAS A VOLUNTARY DECISION. THE STAFF AT THE TIME, UH, WAS PROBABLY WORKING OFF OF IN, YOU KNOW, UH, INFORMATION, THE BEST INFORMATION AT THE TIME. MAYBE THE WORKLOAD WAS PRETTY HEAVY. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT WAS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 2009, THEN WE'RE TALKING JUST AFTER THE, UH, JUST AFTER THE HOUSING BUBBLE. SO LEADING UP TO ABOUT 2006, 2007, THE DEVELOPERS WERE COMING IN ACROSS THE COUNTRY, NOT JUST HERE IN VIRGINIA, GETTING THEIR LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS, GETTING THEIR APPROVALS, GETTING THEIR SUBDIVISION PRELIMINARY PLATS APPROVED. UM, AND ONCE THAT, UH, AND, AND THE, THE STAFF WAS PROBABLY REACTING TO THAT SAYING, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TIME TO MAKE THAT DISTINGUISHING, YOU KNOW, DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN BAYSIDE AND SEASIDE. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A, UH, THIS IS JUST AN EDUCATED GUESS, BUT THE, BUT, BUT THE WORKLOAD WOULD SEEM TO HAVE DICTATED SOME OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE, SO STAFF WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SPLITTING IT OFF. STAFF TODAY WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM SPLITTING IT OFF. OKAY. AND HOW DO WE DEAL WITH MR. PARKS AND I LIVE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD. WE, BOTH OF OUR PROPERTIES DRAINED TO SEASIDE. OKAY, I GOT MY PERMIT, THEN WE CHANGE IT. HE GETS HIS PERMIT. I GOTTA GO THROUGH ALL THE REGS. HE DOESN'T, HOW ARE WE GONNA DEAL WITH CITIZENS WHO HAD TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS AND NOW NEW PERMITS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO ANYMORE. IT WAS LIKE, I'M JUST SAYING, DO YOU SEE ANY PROBLEM THERE? THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAD BEFORE, RIGHT? THAT BIG CITIZENS COMING IN, WHY DO I HAVE TO DO JUMP THROUGH CERTAIN HOOPS? AND THEY DON'T. THAT UNFORTUNATELY IS A TRUTH WHEN IT COMES TO ANY REGULATION, RIGHT? YOU HAVE A DATE WHEN, WHEN A, WHEN A SWITCH IS FLIPPED AND YOU'VE GOT AN APPLICATION THAT HAS COME IN BEFORE THAT DATE, WE HAVE TO REVIEW IT PER THE ORDINANCES, RULES, REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN EFFECT AT THAT [01:00:01] TIME, ONCE THAT SWITCH IS FLIPPED. AND, UH, AND THEN THOSE REGULATIONS MAY NO LONGER BE IN EFFECT. AGAIN, THE SAME, THE SAME PRECEPT APPLIES THAT, UH, WE, WE, UH, REVIEW AND DECIDE UPON THOSE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND ORDINANCES AND LAWS THAT ARE IN EFFECT AT THE TIME. THAT IS TRUE. HOWEVER, THIS BOARD HAS TO LISTEN TO WHO COMES THERE, WHO LISTENS AND COMES STAND THAT PODIUM. MM-HMM . AND I HAD TO PAY $4,000 FOR AN ENGINEER, AND HE DIDN'T. I'M JUST SAYING, EVEN THOUGH THE REGS CHANGED, WOO, , WE'RE GONNA HEAR THOSE COMMENT, WE'RE GONNA HEAR THOSE PEOPLE COME BEFORE US. I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE GONNA HEAR IT. AND SO I'M, I'M JUST, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE HAD IT BEFORE AND WE LIVED THROUGH, UH, HADES. WELL, I, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT THE STAFF WILL HEAR IT BEFORE YOU WILL. NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT IS NOT, IF THEY COME IN AND APPLY, WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT TO THEM. YEAH. BUT WE HEAR IT AT THE SUPERMARKET AND AT THE RESTAURANT AND AT THE HARDWARE STORE AND AT MS. MAJOR'S CHURCH. AND WE HEAR IT AT MR. NESTLE'S JOB AND MR. AT THE FUNERAL HOME. AND WE HEAR IT AT THE, AT WHATEVER, WHEREVER YOU GO, , WE HEAR IT. WE HEAR IT CUTTING GRASS AND WE HEAR IT OVER THERE IN CASHEW. I'M JUST SAYING WE HEAR IT EVERYWHERE. DON'T THINK WE DON'T KNOW. I'LL, I'LL LET YOU SPEAK. HOLD ON. ARE YOU FRIENDS WITH MR. HART? I DON'T KNOW. . YEAH, I GUESS I AM RIGHT NOW. OKAY. MR. PARK. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND MR. HART. I, I, MY FRIEND MR. HART, USING ME AS AN ANALOGY. I APPRECIATE THAT. IT GIVES ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS IT. MY DISTRICT IS PROBABLY, IN MY OPINION, WELL, I, I WOULDN'T, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT. MY DISTRICT IS HEAVILY IMPACTED BY THIS, THE CURRENT REGULATION. I SUPPORT SPLITTING THIS OUT BECAUSE I FIND THE ENTIRE REGULATION REPRESSIVE, UNREALISTIC, RIDICULOUS THAT IS IMPOSED ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COUNTY AND ON THE EASTERN SHORE BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN HERE. BUT I DIGRESS THAT BEING THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION, WE SHOULDN'T IMPOSE THIS REPRESSIVE CODE ON THE REST OF THE SHORE IF IT'S NOT REQUIRED. AND IT, AND, AND I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF EVIDENCE TO INDICATE THAT IT'S, IT'S HURTING US FROM A DEVELOPMENTAL ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE AND THE HOMES, BUILDING NEW HOMES AND GETTING PEOPLE HOMES TO DEAL WITH THEIR HOME HOUSING SHORTAGE. SO I AGREE WITH MR. HART. WE'RE GONNA HEAR IT, BUT WE DIDN'T DO THE STATE LAW. OH, I UNFUNDED MANDATE. UNFUNDED MANDATE. YEAH. OKAY. SO, SO DO IT. WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. JUST DO IT. THAT'S RICHMOND. ARE YOU, UH, UH, MR. HART? I'M SORRY, I'M PREACHING. I'M PREACH. I'M SORRY. YES, I'M SORRY. OKAY. MR. CROCKETT. THANK YOU MA'AM. CHAIR AND MR. HART, UH, WAS ON THE BOARD BACK IN 2009. I WASN'T, BUT I REMEMBER THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS AT MATKIN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. MM-HMM . AND I SPOKE AGAINST IT. I SPOKE AGAINST IT BECAUSE I WAS ALREADY IN IT ON THE BAY SIDE. AND MY, UH, I CAN'T RECALL IT VERBATIM WHAT I SAID, BUT IN GIST WHAT I SAID, IT'S A TAKEN OF PROPERTY WITHOUT COMPENSATION. YEAH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. GIVE YOU A PERFECT EXAMPLE. UH, YOU COULD HAVE A LOT, A BUILDING LOT THAT'S 200 FEET DEEP, A HUNDRED FEET WIDE. AND IF YOU LIVE IN THAT, IN THAT RESTRICTED AREA, JUST THAT ACT ALONE TAKES HALF OF YOUR PROPERTY. 'CAUSE IT TAKES A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE WATERLINE IN, YOU'VE LOST 50%. SUPPOSE YOU'RE LIVING THERE. SUPPOSE YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT YOU BUILT WELL BEFORE THE CHESAPEAKE BAY PRESERVATION ACT. AND SUPPOSE AFTER IT WAS PUT, AFTER IT WAS ADOPTED IN 1989, YOU DECIDED THAT, UH, YOU'RE, YOUR HOUSE IS PROBABLY, UH, 110 FEET FROM THE, THE WATERLINE. AND YOU WANT TO PUT A 20 FOOT EDITION ON THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE THAT YOU LIVED IN SINCE THE 1970S. YOU HAVE TO GET SPECIAL PERMISSION IF YOU'RE LUCKY TO DO THAT. YEAH. THAT IS A TAPE. AND THAT WAS MY COMMENT, SPEAKING AGAINST THIS BEING ON THE, UH, ON THE, UH, SEASIDE. AND IF SOMEBODY CALL, IF, IF I VOTE TO SUPPORT THIS, UH, TO DO AWAY WITH THE ATLANTIC SIDE AND THEY CALL ME, I CAN EASILY SAY, LOOK, I WAS HARMED WITH THIS ON THE BAY SIDE, JUST BECAUSE I'M HARMED ON THE BAY SIDE, I'M NOT GONNA HARM MR. HART ON THE SEASIDE. RIGHT. IT'S NOT FAIR IF, IF, IF I'M GONNA SPEAK AGAINST IT IN 2009 AND NOW HAVE A CHANCE TO VOTE AGAINST IT IN 2021, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT SAY FOR ME? SO IT'S A TAKE OF PROPERTY. MY POSITION IS YOUR CONSISTENT, IT'S, IT'S A TAKE OF PROPERTY WITHOUT COMPENSATION. YOU'RE CONSISTENT. YOU'RE HERE. YOU'RE CONSISTENT. THANK YOU, MADAM JUDGE. OKAY. RIGHT, ROBERT? YEAH. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH. OKAY. [01:05:01] SO, UH, JUST, JUST VERY QUICKLY GETTING BACK TO THIS DRAINAGE AREA RIGHT HERE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT THE EXTENT OF THE CHESAPEAKE BAY DRAINAGE AREA IS PRIMARILY ACROSS THE BAY WHERE THERE'S ACTUAL TOPOGRAPHY. UH, WHAT THE CHES BAY REGULATIONS INTEND TO DO, AS WE ALL KNOW, IS TO PROTECT THE WATER QUALITY AND TO PROTECT THE QUALITY OF THE BAY ITSELF FOR VARIOUS REASONS. AND, UM, HERE, AND, AND TO APPLY THE, UH, TO, TO APPLY THOSE REGULATIONS ON THE PORTION OF THE EASTERN SHORE, OR MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE, THE, THE SEASIDE OF MACK COUNTY, WHERE THE, WHERE THE, UH, THE LAND TYPICALLY HAS NO TOPOGRAPHY. IT'S FLAT, THE WATER DOESN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, UH, UH, TO CONCENTRATE AND TO GAIN, UH, VELOCITY AND ENERGY AND THAT KIND OF THING. UM, UH, WE ALSO SEE THE REASON, YOU KNOW, THAT AS BEING ONE REASON FOR DELETING THE, THE REGULATIONS ON THE, ON THE SEASIDE. UM, THOSE OF US WHO HAVE TO ADMINISTER THAT REGULATION, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THIS, UH, UH, UH, ALMOST TWO DECADES INTO THE FUTURE AFTER THAT ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN, WE DO HAVE A HARD TIME TRYING TO, UH, EXPLAIN THAT TO FOLKS IN, IN, IN, UH, IN, IN A WAY THAT THEY WILL UNDERSTAND WHERE REALLY, AS YOU SAID, UM, SUPERVISOR PRO, THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO BUILD ON THE BACK OF THEIR HOUSE AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS APPLYING, WHY THIS IS APPLICABLE TO THEM ON THE, UH, ON THE SEASIDE. UM, UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE, UH, THE, THE, THE PART OF THE STATE THAT DOES NOT DRAIN TO THE CHESAPEAKE BAY, AND THEY'VE GOT A DIFFERENT SET OF STORMWATER REGULATIONS THAT APPLY TO THEM. UH, THIS FLOW CHART WAS PROVIDED BY KIMLEY HORNE, AND, AND WE PUT IT IN A LOCAL FORMAT, BUT IT ACTUALLY GOES THROUGH OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS. OF COURSE, THIS WAS PROVIDED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE AGENDA, BUT, UM, UH, IF IT'S 2,500 SQUARE FEET OR MORE OF LAND DISTURBANCE, THAT'S KIND OF OUR, UH, THAT'S KIND OF OUR, UH, UH, DECISION POINT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT AN EROSION IN SEDIMENT CONTROL AND STORM WATER PLAN IS REQUIRED. AND THAT RIGHT THERE HAS BEEN THE RUB FOR THE CITIZENS OR FOR THE APPLICANTS WHO COME TO US LOOKING FOR AN APPROVAL ON, ON A PLAN, ESPECIALLY A, A PLAN THAT ISN'T A, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT ISN'T A SMALL AGRICULTURAL PLAN OR IS IT ISN'T A ONE OR TWO UNIT, UM, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. UH, MOST THINGS ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT ARE GONNA REQUIRE, UH, AN, AN ENGINEER. SO AGAIN, UH, THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, UH, TRIGGER DOESN'T CURRENTLY APPLY BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS, BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS 2,500 SQUARE FOOT, UH, UH, UH, REGULATION IN EFFECT FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. UM, UH, I'M GONNA PAUSE HERE AND ASK IF THERE ARE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. I KNOW IT'S BEEN PRE I'M COGNIZE MR. CROCKER, THEN MR. MARK, I HAVE ONE REQUEST OF THE CHAIR. WHAT, YOU KNOW, IN CONGRESS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU MISS, UH, MISS FEE, UH, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO CORRECT A RECORD ON, ON, WE SAID 21 ON THAT 2026, NOT 2021. I WAS WONDERING WHY YOU WERE DIGRESSING, BUT THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. OKAY, MR. BARR. MR. PAM, YOU SEEM TO IMPLY THAT THE 2,500 WAS SOMEWHAT SUBJECTIVE, OR IS THAT, DOES THAT, THAT'S BY LAW, 2,500 COMES CORRECT. IS HANDED DOWN FROM THE STATE. YEAH, I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. RIGHT. MADAM CHAIRMAN, MR. MR. POT? YES. OKAY. UM, GOING TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SPOKE TO EARLIER, UM, THE ENGINEER AND THINGS LIKE THAT, NORTHAMPTON COUNTY HAS IT ON BOTH SIDES. WHY WOULD THERE BE A DIFFERENCE IN HOW THEY HANDLE THINGS AND WHY IS IT EASIER TO GET SOME THINGS IN NORTH HAMPTON THAN MACK WHEN WE BOTH HAVE IT ON THE SAME BOTH SIDES? WHY IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN, WHY IS THERE NOT THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE'RE PUTTING OR YOU'RE PUTTING ON TO DO THAT WITH THE ENGINEER PART? I CAN'T SPEAK TO HOW THE, I CANNOT SPEAK TO THE EXTENT OF THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT AREA. SO WE, AGAIN, FROM, FROM THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AND SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION IN THE PAST, WE TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RESOURCE PROTECTION AREA, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THAT 100 FOOT BUFFER FROM ENVIRONMENTAL, ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS LIKE MARSH STREAMS, THAT KIND OF THING. AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE, ACCORDING TO OUR ORDINANCE, IS CONSIDERED RESOURCE MANAGEMENT AREA. SO ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE COUNTY IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IS, IS REGULATED IN ONE FASHION OR ANOTHER. I CANNOT SPEAK TO HOW NORTHAMPTON, UH, EXTENDS THEIR RMA BEYOND THE 100 FOOT RPA. IT'S, IT, IT'S STARTING TO GET A LITTLE BIT TECHNICAL HERE, BUT BASICALLY THERE'S THAT OUT, THAT THERE'S THAT AREA OUTSIDE [01:10:01] OF THE, UH, OF THE RPA OR THE HIGHLY SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS THAT WE STILL REGULATE WITH THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT AREA. I JUST KNOW THAT AIMA COUNTY, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, HAS ALWAYS BEEN EASIER, HISTORICALLY, HAS ALWAYS BEEN EASIER TO BUILD, GET BUSINESSES IN, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN IN NORTH HAMPTON BEEN A LITTLE MORE REPRESSIVE AND TRYING TO WHAT THEY, IN THE PAST, I'M NOT SAYING NO, RIGHT, BUT, AND I JUST FIND IT. I DON'T WANT US TO TAKE, I DON'T WANT THAT TO FLIP. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE, WE CAN'T HAVE, WE HAVE BUSINESSES HAVING DIFFICULTY COMING IN, PEOPLE HAVING HOMES. I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN TO US. SO I, I CERTAINLY WANT THAT SAME THING AS WELL. I DO NOT WANT THAT TO FLIP. I, I WANT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT TO A CURVE I WAS CHARGED WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THAT PROCESS MORE PREDICTABLE. BUT THE FLIP SIDE OF REGULATION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT, WHEN IT, UH, ENTAILS THE ENVIRONMENT, IS THAT WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW STATE CODE, AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO, I'LL ARGUE THAT POINT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. WELL, I, I, I, YES, MR. PAM, WE ALL WANNA PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THAT, THAT MEANS. AND I WOULD SAY WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE NOT ON THE SHORE IN OTHER AREAS, PUT RERE THINGS THAT REPRESS OUR ECONOMY, AND WE HAVE SITUATIONS IN MUNICIPALITIES LIKE WASHINGTON, DC WITH ITS MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF SEWAGE GOING INTO THE BAY, BUT IT'S OKAY. IT CHECKED OUT THE WATER TESTED, BUT YOU CAN'T PUT A SEPTIC TANK INTO MY DISTRICT FOR UNDER $39,000. AND PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR HOMES. THEY CAN'T PAY THEIR TAXES, AND THEY'RE LOSING THEIR INCOMES IN THIS COUNTY. AND WE ARE STUCK WITH UNFUNDED MANDATES WITH CONTINUING THE PROCESS. SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR SYMPATHY TO THE ENVIRONMENT. I ME TOO. LET'S, LET'S GET THOSE MUNICIPALITIES DO THE RIGHT THING AND STOP IMPOSING THOSE STANDARDS ON THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY IN THE EASTERN SHORE. THANKS. FEES FOR RICHMOND. YOU SHOULD GO. GIVE, INVITE ME. I DON'T ANY OTHER MR. HART? ANY OTHER? YES, MA'AM. JESUS. IS ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION? I JUST HAVE JUST A COUPLE QUICK MORE. OKAY. COME ON. LET'S GO. BECAUSE, UM, UH, THERE WAS ALSO, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION, BUT THERE WAS A QUESTION. UM, I, I, I WAS ASKED TO TALK BRIEFLY ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL AND STORM WATER. UM, THIS SLIDE WAS ALSO IN THE PACKET, BUT FOR THE, FOR THE PURPOSES OF, UH, OF, UM, UH, INFORMING ANY, UH, INTERESTED PUBLIC HERE. MM, UH, STORM WATER AND EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL, THEY'RE RELATED, BUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL, UH, PREVENTS EROSION OF THE LAND AND PREVENTS SEDIMENT FROM LEAVING THE SITE, EITHER BY LAND OR WATER. SO IF YOU SEE, IF YOU SEE THE MUDDY STREAM AND THE, THAT, UH, THAT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MUDDY APPEARANCE REALLY ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, OR IF YOU SEE THOSE MUDDY TRACKS ON THE ROAD, THEN SOMETHING WRONG HAS HAPPENED WITH THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL MEASURES. UM, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, ON THE OTHER HAND, CONTROLS WATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY ON A LONG-TERM BASIS. SO QUALITY IS ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF POLLUTANTS AND NUTRIENTS. SO EVERYTHING FROM THE HEAVY METALS TO THE PHOSPHORUS TO THE, TO THE, UM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, NUTRIENTS AND, AND THE, AND, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. QUANTITY, UH, ONE BASIC, UH, UH, RULE OF THUMB IS THAT DRAINAGE CANNOT ESSENTIALLY CHANGE IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, CANNOT CHANGE IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS BEFOREHAND AND BEFORE CONSTRUCTION, WHAT WAS AFTER CONSTRUCTION. SO YOU'RE REALLY SUPPOSED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER IS LEAVING THE PROPERTY AFTERWARDS THAN BEFORE. AND OF COURSE, THE MAIN CHANGE THERE IS THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA, UH, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UH, OF THOSE FACILITIES ARE PERMANENT, WHEREAS EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL MEASURES ARE TAKEN DOWN AFTER CON AFTER CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED. AND, UH, STORMWATER FACILITIES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MAINTAINED INTO PERPETUITY FOREVER. UH, JUST, UH, SOME VISUAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL AND STORM WATER. SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION SITES. SO ON, ON A LARGER BASIS, WE REALLY DON'T, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL HOUSES HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LARGER CONSTRUCTION SITES. UH, YOU CAN SEE IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, UM, UH, A SITE THAT'S QUITE FRANKLY NOT WORKING VERY WELL FROM AN EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL STANDPOINT. MANY VIOLATIONS, UH, THEY'RE NOT USING AN APPROVED CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE, SO THEY'RE TRACKING MUD ONTO THE HIGHWAY OF THE SILT FENCE, WHICH IS INTENDED TO KEEP WATER IN, IN, UH, IN SILTATION ON SITE THAT'S FAILING. AND YOU CAN JUST LOOK AT THE SITE AND SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY TAKING CARE OF THAT. UM, THIS POND RIGHT HERE, THE SILTATION IS, IS BEING KEPT ON SITE. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IT'S WORKING CORRECTLY, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT NOT LOOK PRETTY, AT LEAST IT'S NOT WHERE IT'S [01:15:01] NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE STREAMS AND IN THE BANK, UH, THIS IS SILT FENCE AGAIN. UH, AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE SOME INLET PROTECTION MEASURES. AND THERE ARE A WHOLE LIST OF MEASURES THAT SOMEONE CAN, CAN, CAN PICK TO, UH, THAT MIGHT BE APPLICABLE TO THEIR SITE. THIS IS THE LONG TERM STORM WATER, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, STORM WATER FACILITIES THAT ONE MIGHT, UH, ONE MIGHT CHOOSE. EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH THE STORM WATER PONDS, UH, AND THE BUYER RETENTION, FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT HERE, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN INTO A PARKING LOT THAT'S GOT A, UH, THAT'S GOT, UH, A TREE GROWING OUT OF THE, UH, UM, OUT OF THE, UH, STORM WATER INLET, THAT'S CALLED A TER. AND THAT'S MORE OF A STORM WATER. UH, THAT'S MORE OF A WATER QUALITY MEASURE. UH, THIS THING IS CALLED A LEVEL SPREADER, WHICH IS INTENDED TO, UH, WHICH IS INTENDED TO, UH, SPREAD OUT SHEET FLOW SO THAT IT DOESN'T CONCENTRATE AND CAUSE EROSION. IN ANY CASE, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS TO JUST, UH, GIVE A VISUAL AS TO WHAT THOSE DIFFERENCES ARE, BUT THEY'RE BOTH APPLICABLE TO, UH, TO, UH, CHEEZ BAY AND TO KAPPA CURRENTLY. UH, THIS CONCLUDES, UH, YEAH, THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I CAN FIELD ANY, I CAN TRY TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. I ALSO HAVE CARL ICK AVAILABLE FROM KINLEY HORN, WHO CAN, UM, WHO CAN, UH, SPEAK FROM A MORE TECHNICAL STANDPOINT. MR. CROCKETT. NOT A, NOT A QUESTION, BUT A COMMENT. THIS IS, THIS DISCUSSION HAS DRAWN MY INTEREST AS TO HOW THIS THING WAS PUT TOGETHER IN THE FIRST PLACE. A FACT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN, AND THIS IS NOT TOWARDS YOU ALL, UH, AND, AND WE WILL NEVER KNOW, BUT I WONDER WHEN THE CHESAPEAKE BAY PRESERVATION ACT WAS FIRST THOUGHT OF HOW MANY GRANDFATHER CLAUSES WERE PUT IN THERE. I'LL BET YOU ANYBODY, NOBODY IN YOUR DISTRICT WAS GRANDFATHERED, RIGHT? BY GRANDFATHER, I MEAN, WHERE THE PERSON ALREADY OWNS THE PROPERTY, WHERE THE PERSON ALREADY OWNS THE HOUSE. I WONDER HOW MANY WOULD GRANDFATHER, BUT I'LL BET YOU SOME BIG DEVELOPERS WERE GRANDFATHERED, RIGHT? BET YOU SAW. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WHEN YOU SEE THIS. AND, AND THAT ANSWER PROBABLY WOULD NEVER BE ANSWERED. I MEAN, THAT QUESTION WOULD NEVER BE ANSWERED, BUT I'LL BET YOU THERE WAS GRANDFATHER CLAUSES. NOPE. THAT'S IT FOR ME. OKAY. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? I DON'T SEE, LET OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, FOR THE CAPA RESILIENT AMENDMENTS, THERE ISN'T ANYONE WHO SIGNED SIGN. BUT IF THERE'S SOMEONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, I'LL ALLOW YOU. THIS ONE IS ALMOST LIKE PREACHING ON SUNDAY. , UH, THIS IS AN EASY ONE. UM, MY NAME IS NORMAN PITT. I WAS UP A FEW MINUTES AGO. UH, THAT WAS SOMETHING SAID EARLIER. UH, YOU ASKED A QUESTION, MR. UH, CROCKETT, AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU ASKED, COULD YOU DO ANYTHING IN THE 25 FOOT WATER SIDE? YES, YOU CAN. YOU CAN DO THAT ON THE BAY SIDE. AND BECAUSE IT'S, BUT THERE'S A QUOTE THAT COMES OUT OF THAT. IT IS CALLED IT WATER DEPENDENT. I'VE NOTICED THAT SOMETHING KEEPS IN SAID, AND THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO CORRECT, IS THAT THE 2,500 SQUARE FEET NOW RUNS INTO THE RMAI KNOW, BECAUSE I COME UP AND GET PERMITS. IT DIDN'T USED TO BE THAT WAY HOW IT CAME TO BE. I SPENT TWO WEEKS SEARCHING THE MINUTES AND CAN'T FIND IT. IT'S LIKE WE'RE JUST DONE IN SECRET, OR SOMEHOW IT SHOWED UP. IT USED TO BE THE 2,500 SQUARE FEET TO 10,000, AND IT'S STILL IN THE STATE REGULATION COULD BE DONE IN THE RPA WITH PROVISIONS, OKAY? IN THE R MA, AND IT'S STILL IN OUR, IN THE EMERGENCY HEARING. I HAVE THE PAPERWORK STILL HERE. I WENT ONLINE. GOT IT. IT'S ACTING IN Y'ALL BOARD MINUTES WHERE THE STATE HE WAS, UH, MR. LEWIS WAS ACTING IN THE HOUSE. IT WAS A HOUSE BILL, 4 23. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT COMES OFF TO THE SEASIDE, AND I'LL GET TO THAT, I HOPE IN ONE MINUTE. UH, BUT WHAT THEY KEEP TELLING YOU THAT THE 2,500, AND I HEAR MR. UH, LEE SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO, 2,500 ON THE BAYSIDE, THAT MEANS A 13. SO WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE ON YOUR FARM, IF YOU ARE ON 13 AND YOU DO SOMETHING, YOU NEED AN ENGINEER. AND KIMBERLY HORNET'S HAPPY BECAUSE THEY GET THE PLAN REVIEW. I WONDER HOW MUCH MONEY THE COUNTY HAS SPENT ON THEM DOING MINOR PLAN REVIEW THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED, THAT THEY REALLY DIDN'T NEED. BECAUSE IF YOU SEGREGATED, LET'S NOT THIS THE RPA FROM THE RMA AND ALLOW WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS FROM, WHAT IS IT, 2,500 SQUARE FEET TO ONE ACRE IN THE RMA, YOU WOULD HAD TO MEET SOME CRITERIA IF YOU MEET THOSE CRITERIAS, WHICH IS, IF YOU DIDN'T GO OVER A 14%, I BELIEVE IT IS, OF IMPERVIOUS AREAS ON THERE, [01:20:01] ALL YOU NEED WAS ENS. BUT NOW THEY'RE TELLING EVERYONE, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE OVER 2,500 SQUARE FEET, YOU NEED NOT ONLY NS, YOU NEED SOME WATER, WHICH COSTS YOU $3,500 IF YOU DOING SOMETHING THAT'S ONLY 3,500 SQUARE FEET. YOU ASKED ME ONE TIME, MR. CROCKETT, MR. PITT, WHY IS THIS GONNA HURT MY CONSTITUENT? AND I SAID, WELL, WE'RE CHANGING THIS. YOU SAY, I'LL TELL YOU WHERE IT'S GONNA HURT 'EM IN THE HIP POCKET. WHAT I'M TELLING YOU NOW, YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE GETTING HURT IN THE HIP POCKET. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE, WE GOT A PROJECT THAT'S COMING UP. I STARTED A WHILE AGO AND MY TIME RAN OUT ON ME. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE, UH, HANGAR IN THE, UM, INDUSTRIAL PARK TOOK SO LONG, RIGHT? BE THEY WERE SEEING IT AS BEING IN THE RPA. HERE'S THE MAP. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE MAP FOR YOURSELF. THE RPA AND INDUSTRIAL PARK ONLY RUN ALONG THAT BRANCH WAY BACK THERE. I JUST DID STORM WATER MANAGEMENT ON IT, THE WHOLE MASTER PLAN. SO I KNOW I HAD LOOKED. SO YOU ARE BEING PERSECUTED FOR JUST LIKE YOU WAS IN THE RPA. NOW ON THE, UH, SEASIDE WHILE THAT WAS OVER THERE, THERE WAS A MAJORITY OF CHICKEN HOUSES GOING IN MULTI SUBDIVISIONS. AND YOU WERE RIGHT, MR. BENSON, MR. UH, DAVIS, ALL OF 'EM CAME IN AND ARGUE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? 2,500 SQUARE FEET? REMEMBER, THEY GAVE THEM A CAVEAT, 3,500 SQUARE FEET, BUILDING THEM A LITTLE. AND THEY HAD, THEY HAD STUFF OVER THERE, THEY GOT AWAY. IF YOU PULL IT OFF THAT SIDE, IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH BAYSIDE THAT'S GETTING PUNISHED FOR NOT, YOU PULL IT OFF THAT SIDE, YOU STILL NEED AN ENGINEER ON BAYSIDE TO BE BUILT SOMETHING OUT ON, RIGHT? 13. THOMAS ISEND IT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? GO ONCE, TWICE. PUBLIC HEARING INCLUDES WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, MADAM CHAIR? YES. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, COUNTY CODE CHAPTER 1 0 6, ZONING. BUT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MAKE CHANGING THE BASE SEASIDE, RIGHT? IT'S BEEN MOVING PROPERLY. SECOND THAT WE APPROVE, UH, THE AMENDMENT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, MA'AM. MR. CLARK DOES THIS, THIS, THERE'S A LOT THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS. WHAT DOES THIS SPECIFICALLY DO? DOES, DOES THIS JUST CHANGE THE BAYSIDE SEASIDE THING, OR DOES IT, IS THERE, I'M JUST CONFUSED A LITTLE BIT. WHAT IS IT DOING MORE THAN THAT? I THINK ONE PART IS HOUSEKEEPING, RIGHT? UM, YES. UM, UM, THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT THAT WAS PRESENTED MM-HMM . WAS MANDATORY CHANGES REQUIRED BY THE STATE TO ADDRESS RESILIENCY. AND SO THERE ARE GONNA BE NEW STUDIES REQUIRED RESILIENCY STUDIES IN THE CBPA. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. THAT'S MANDATORY. THE JUNE 9TH VERSION ALSO TAKES OUT THE SEASIDE COVERAGE. SO IF YOU COULD IN YOUR MOTION SPECIFY THE JUNE 9TH VERSION, JUNE 9TH, 2026, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF VERSIONS HANGING AROUND. MADAM CHAIR, I AMEND MY MOTION TO REFLECT WHAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY JUST SAID. . OKAY. I SECOND THAT. IT DOES SECOND AGREE WITH THAT? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOVING PROPER SECOND, UH, THAT WE GO WITH THE JUNE 9TH. ANY FOR, UH, ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? NO. THE MOTION AS LET THE MOTION STAND FOR EIGHT YAY. AND ONE NO. OH, OKAY. MR. MASON, YOU'RE BACK TO THE CHILDCARE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. CHAIR. UH, SO I HAVE LOST ALL MOMENTUM ON THIS PRESENTATION. I'M SORRY TO STOP YOU BEFORE. THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S TRUE. SO I THINK WE PRETTY MUCH GOT THROUGH THIS SLIDE, WHICH AGAIN, WAS JUST DESIGNED TO PROVIDE FOLKS WITH WHAT KIND OF ASSISTANCE, WHAT MIGHT THEY, MIGHT THEY RECEIVED THAT THEY WERE CHOSEN TO BE IN THE PROGRAM. UM, ONLY A COUPLE MORE SLIDES HERE. UM, QUESTION FOUR WAS, WHEN WILL THE PROGRAM LAUNCH AND HOW CAN YOU GET MORE INFORMATION? UH, WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITE DATE YET. WE'LL PUT OUT A PRESS RELEASE WHEN THE PROGRAM IS OPEN, AND THE COUNTY WEBSITE IS GONNA BE SORT OF THE OFFICIAL REPOSITORY OF INFORMATION WHERE, UH, CITIZENS CAN GO TO, UH, GAIN MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROGRAM. [01:25:01] UM, OH, UH, I DID HAVE A COUPLE MORE, UH, SLIDES HERE. ONE IS, UM, JUST WANNA REP, UH, RECOGNIZE A COUPLE OF FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT. UH, DR. JANE GLASGOW IS HERE, ALONG WITH JEROME VANDER HALL. UH, THESE FOLKS HAVE BEEN, UH, HUGE ASSIST, UH, ASSETS TO MACK AND, AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF INITIATIVES TO MOVE FORWARD TO, TO HELP CHILDCARE. UM, YOU KNOW, I I, I ATTEND A LOT OF 'EM MEETINGS, AND A LOT OF TIMES WHEN I'M IN THOSE MEETINGS, I DON'T HEAR, UH, MANY SOLUTIONS COMING FORWARD. MAYBE MORE OBSTACLES SOMETIMES, BUT THESE FOLKS HAVE BEEN TREMENDOUS IN, IN COMING UP WITH DIFFERENT WAYS AND, AND DIFFERENT ASSISTS FOR MACK ON THIS PROGRAM. AND, UH, JUST WANNA RECOGNIZE THEM FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE THUS FAR. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, THESE TWO FOLKS WERE INVOLVED IN THE SUFFOLK PROGRAM. THEY CAN ANSWER THAT, BUT, UM, JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, IS THERE A WAY THERE THEY ARE RIGHT HERE, . UM, THESE FOLKS HAVE BEEN, UM, A GREAT ASSET. OKAY. UH, Y'ALL HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON ANY COMMENTS? I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T, UH, COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR IN MY OTHER LIFE. MY OTHER JOB, THAT'S WHAT I DO. I DO CHILDCARE SUBSIDY AT NORTH HAMPTON COUNTY SOCIAL SERVICES, AND HE IS RIGHT ON TARGET CHILDCARE PROVIDERS. YOU KNOW, UH, I STRUGGLE. WE ARE A DESERT. CERTAIN PARTS OF ACK COUNTY ARE, ARE MORE DESERT THAN OTHERS, AS WELL AS NORTHAMPTON COUNTY. BUT I'M FOCUSED ON MACK COUNTY, AND I THINK WE AS A COUNTY ARE BEING VERY PROACTIVE, UH, IN DOING, UH, IN GETTING INVOLVED WITH CHILDCARE. AND IT IS BASICALLY INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, UH, WE NEED PROPER CHILDCARE, UH, IN ORDER FOR, UM, ECONOMIC GROWTH. AND HE'S RIGHT ON TARGET WITH THAT. AND, UM, HE'S MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT CHILDCARE THAN I AM. I'M TELL MELLO, MAYBE YOU NEED TO APPLY, BUT, UH, UH, REALLY, I THINK WE ARE REALLY ON TARGET, AND I DO APPRECIATE, UM, YOU COMING OVER AND, UM, BEING SUPPORTIVE FOR YOU WITH MINUS NINE TO FIVE. YES. YES. AND, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER. AND, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY, UH, COMMENTS, UH, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO OUR BOARD? THANK YOU. SURE. UM, DR. JANE GLASGOW WITH, UM, MINUS NINE TO FIVE OLD DOMINION UNIVERSITY. YOU ARE ADOPTED COUSIN? YES. I SEE THE NAME ALL THE TIME, BUT , HOPEFULLY IT'S A GOOD, IN A GOOD WAY. YES. UM, JUST WANNA SHARE THAT THIS, UM, PROJECT IS SOMETHING, UM, THAT WE ARE FUNDED MINUS NINE TO FIVE, RECEIVES MONDAY FUNDING THROUGH, UM, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION FOR OUR READY REGION, SOUTHEASTERN WORK. UM, AND SO WE WORK WITH THE EASTERN SHORE ON VIRGINIA QUALITY BIRTH TO FIVE, WHICH IS CHILDCARE, UM, QUALITY. UM, WE WORK WITH A MIXED DELIVERY GRANT THAT PROVIDES CHILDCARE SPACES HERE, PUBLICLY FUNDED CHILDCARE SPACES HERE IN, UM, AKAMAK. UM, BUT AS PART OF THAT FUNDING, WE ALSO HAVE A CHILDCARE CAPACITY BUILDER, UM, JERRON VANDER HALL, WHO, UM, WORKS WITH US. AND, UM, SO WHAT ONE OF THE REALLY GREAT BENEFITS OF THIS PROGRAM IS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO WORK ON THE NAVIGATION AND PROVIDE THESE SERVICES WITHOUT TAKING ANY OF THE FUNDS FOR MINUS NINE TO FIVE, OR FOR OUR WORK STRICTLY. THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE CREATED, UM, IS FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON THE EXPENSES THAT THE CHILDCARE PROVIDERS WILL NEED TO GET SET UP. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WE LOOK AT ABOUT $5,000 PER FAMILY DAY HOME TO SET UP. UM, WE DID HAVE TO INCLUDE SOME MILEAGE. OBVIOUSLY IT'S A, IT'S A HOUR AND A HALF OR SO FROM, UM, NORFOLK HERE. UM, BUT WE ARE ABLE TO USE THOSE FUNDS TO SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON SETTING THOSE CHILDCARE PROVIDERS UP TO BE STRONG BUSINESSES. WE WANT THEM TO BE, UM, INDEPENDENT BUSINESS OWNERS, BUT ALSO PROVIDING A SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS OF AKAMAK. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS OR EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST, BUT JUST, I, I APPLAUD AKAMAK, UM, AND CERTAINLY MIKE, I, I WAS CHEERING THINKING, MA'AM, WE, HE IS VERY WELL TRAINED ON CHILDCARE. YES. UM, BUT APPLAUD AKAMAK AND HAVE, HAVE REALLY USED, UM, MACK AS AN EXAMPLE TO OTHER, UM, CITIES. WE WORK WITH 10 CITIES AND COUNTIES ACROSS THE REGION. SO YEAH, IT'S PARAMOUNT. I MEAN, I, I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER LOCALITY THAT'S STEPPING OUT LIKE THIS. AND, AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY, I MEAN, MONUMENTAL, AND I JUST REALLY GLAD I'M A PART OF THIS BOARD THAT WOULD, UH, HOPEFULLY, I'M GONNA GO MAKE THE MOTION MYSELF. [01:30:01] CHAIRMAN, SORRY ABOUT THAT. . IT'S, IT JUST, IT, IT'S TOO MUCH DEAR TO MY HEART FOR ME NOT TO DO THIS. OKAY. I'M SORRY GUYS. I'M SUCK IT THEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT I'M MAKING A MOTION. OKAY. I MOVE, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CORRECT VERBIAGE IS, BUT I MOVE THAT WE GOING TO, UH, UH, MOU WITH THE, UM, MINUS NINE, WELL MINUS NINE TO FIVE PROGRAM DESIGNED TO INCREASE CHILDCARE CAPACITY IN MACK COUNTY FOR CREATING, UM, SIX, I THINK IT IS, NEW FAMILY DAY HOMES. SECOND. OKAY. IT'S MOVING PROPERLY. SECOND THAT WE DO THAT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, MADAM CHAIR. IS, IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO TO HELP PROMOTE THIS OR GET THE WORD OUT THAT WOULD GET IN INCREASE? I'M GONNA DEFER TO, UM, MASON. WE HAVE, UH, UH, NUMEROUS DIFFERENT TYPES OF ADVERTISING WE'RE DISCUSSING. I MEAN, I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE, FRANKLY, WE'LL SEE WHAT IT COSTS, BUT, UH, A BILLBOARD ON ROUTE 13 THAT JUST ANNOUNCES THIS, BUT, UM, PREVIOUS PROGRAM IN SUFFOLK USED YARD SIGNS. UM, WE WILL, I, I KNOW I'VE ALREADY SEE RECEIVED PRESS INQUIRIES ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT, SO WE'LL GET SOME, UM, PUBLICITY OUT OF THAT. AND, UH, THE BUDGET HAS SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO AGGRESSIVELY MARKET IT. I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE, AND I'VE SEEN THIS DONE RECENTLY, SOME OTHER STATES WHERE THEY'VE ESTABLISHED KIND OF A SEPARATE WEBSITE TIED TO THE COUNTY, TO THE MUNICIPALITY WEBSITE, SO THAT IF SOMEONE'S SEARCHING FOR CHILDCARE FOR THE COUNTY, IT MAY BE DEFLECTED THERE. SO, BUT AT LEAST TO SHOW UP ON OUR WEBSITE, SOMETHING ON ONLINE AS WELL. 'CAUSE AS WE KNOW PEOPLE NOT IN THE AREA, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE WAYS THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK. IT'S TWOFOLD. WE WANT TO GET THE WORD OUT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS AS WELL AS WE WANT TO EXPAND THE CAPACITY. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AND THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WE'RE DOWN TO NEW BUSINESS. NO, I'M APPOINTMENTS. APPOINTMENTS, APPOINTMENTS. A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM. LET ME GET MY, GEEZ, I CAN'T READ THAT. I'M TRYING TO FIND THE ONE. TRYING TO FIND, OKAY. THEY'RE BUNCH OF THEM. OH, IT WAS A BUNCH OF THEM LOOK POSSIBLE FOR US TO ADOPT THEM IN MASKS. WELL, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. , NO. UM, WE NOT GONNA DO THAT. OKAY. I'LL START WITH ACK COUNTY, UH, WETLANDS BOARD. WE NEED A NEW APPOINTMENT NEEDED. UM, DAVID MONTGOMERY HAS, UH, RESIGNED. I DON'T KNOW WHO DISTRICT OR IS A CITIZEN'S APPOINTMENT. DO WE HAVE A A PERSON FOR THAT? IF NOT, WE'LL DEFER MADAM CHAIRMAN. SURE. UH, THE NEXT TWO I, UH, AG AND FOREST DISTRICT, BOTH OF THOSE. I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THOSE. OKAY. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVING PROPER SECOND THAT WE CONTINUE THOSE TWO PERSON ON THE AG AND FORESTRY DISTRICT, UH, ADVISORY COMMISSION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY. WE ARE DOWN TO THE ACK COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION. UM, WE NEED TO, THESE ARE REPORT REAPP APPOINTMENTS. OKAY. REAPPOINTMENTS FOR MARIA. KNOCK. DISTRICT FOUR, UH, REAPPOINTMENT FOR ROBERT BUNTING JR. THAT'S DISTRICT NINE. UH, ANYBODY MAKE A MOTION ON THAT? I MEAN, I, I, I WANNA CONTINUE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO BE A REAPPOINT FOR MARY DOCK, UM, AND WELL AS ROBERT BUNTING JR. OKAY, SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVING PROPERLY. SECOND, THAT WE'VE, UH, HAVE THE REAPPOINTMENT OF, OF THE ACAI COUNTERPARTS AND REC WITH THOSE TWO PERSONS. UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION HERE? AND NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? AND THE MOTIONS CARRIED. WE'RE DOWN TO THE PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION. MADAM CHAIRMAN? YES, MADAM CHAIRMAN. BOTH OF THE, EXCUSE ME. BOTH OF THOSE MEMBERS, UH, GWEN TURNER AND DONNA SMITH ARE VERY GOOD MEMBERS. THEY ATTEND, THEY PARTICIPATE AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY GOOD. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT BOTH SECOND, TO MOVE PROPER. SECOND, THEY WE REAPPOINT, UM, MS. TURNER AND MS. SMITH TO THE PLAN DISTRICT COMMISSION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION HERE? AND NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? AND THE MOTIONS. SCARY, UH, BOARD OF TRUSTEES, UM, RECENT INSURED PUBLIC LIBRARY. WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? REPOINT. FRANK. FRANK RUSSELL MOVE TO AND IS THERE A SECOND WITH THAT? SECOND. SECOND. IS WE MOVING PROPERTY SECOND THAT WE REAPPOINT FRANK RUSSELL TO THE LIBRARY BOARD? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR MAY BE NONE. AYE. A AYE. OPPOSED? THAT MOTION IS CARRIED. GREEN BACKFIELD MOSQUITO CONTROL. I'D LIKE TO APPOINT, UH, REAPPOINT DEBORAH TO [01:35:01] ME AND RANDALL CHAPPELLE SECOND. OKAY, MOVE SECOND. THAT WE RE REAPPOINT THOSE TWO PERSONS TO THE BRING BACK MOSQUITO CONTROL, UH, COMMISSION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, HEARING, AND NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? LET THEM BE DONE BY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED. UH, IT SHOULD SHOW COLLEGE ADVISORY ONE. UH, NEW APPOINTMENT NEEDED MADAM CHAIRMAN? SURE. MADAM CHAIRMAN, I FOUND I HAVE FOUND SOMEONE TO TAKE MS. PITTMAN'S PLACE WHO IS UNABLE TO SERVE. UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT GERALD PITT FROM MALFA TO THE UNITY COLLEGE TO TAKE HER PLACE. SECOND. SECOND. IT IS BEEN MOVING PROPERLY. SECOND, THAT WE APPOINT GERALD PITT TO THAT NEW APPOINTMENT AT EASTERN SHORE COMMUNITY COLLEGE ADVISORY BOARD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED MOTIONS CARRIED. UM, I RE I MAKE A MOTION TO RE BARBARA BALLS TO THE COLLEGE, UH, BOARD. IT'S BEEN MOVING. SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THERE'LL BE NO BY AYE. AYE. THI GETTING OUS? OKAY. SHOULD SHOW COMMUNITY, UH, COLLEGE BOARD STILL RUTH TANKER. EED FIVE. EED FIVE OH I MOTION TO REAL REAPPOINT. WAKE UP DOWN THERE. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVEMENT. PROBABLY SECOND THAT WE APPOINT RUTH TANKER DOWNING TO THE, UH, COLLEGE BOARD. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION HERE? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE DE OPPOSED? THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED REAPPOINTMENT TO THE BROADBAND. CALVIN PADDOCK, CALVIN, WASHINGTON. WE HAVE, YEAH, WE HAVE MULTIPLE YOUR DISTRICT. YEAH. I'M SORRY. CALVIN PADDOCK. ELAINE MILL. YEP. UHHUH. JOHN RITTER. YEP. YEP. THAT'S IT. OKAY. OFFER FOR MOTION TO BE REAPPOINT. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. WE MOVE THAT WE, UH, BEEN MOVING PROPER SECOND OF REAPPOINT ALL THOSE PERSONS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY. EASTERN SHOW. NAVI WATERS. I'D LIKE TO REAPPOINT GEORGE BIDEN, BRENDA KIM AND JOHN OLA. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE THAT WE APPOINT ALL THOSE PERSONS. UH, ALL THOSE OPPOSED? NO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR LET ME KNOW BY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY. WE'RE DOWN TO CROMACK SOCIAL SERVICES BOARD. BUT THAT'S NOT, MR. MARTIN IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR REAPPOINTMENT. YEAH. UH, THAT'S DISTRICT. MR. ME? YEAH. HE'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR REAPPOINTMENT. WE HAVE TO POSTPONE UNTIL LATER. OKAY. POSTPONE AKAMAI SOCIAL SERVICES SOLID WASTE COMMITTEE WORKS. MADAM CHAIRMAN? YES. DOES THAT, DID THAT PERSON RESIGN? BECAUSE SUE MAST WILL PUT IN AN APPLICATION. BUT IS THAT THE TERRY HENDRICKS? DID THAT PERSON RESIGN? YES. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, I'D LIKE TO PUT, UH, SUE MASKELL UP FOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PUT HER 'CAUSE SHE ASKED OR SHE PUT IN AN APPLICATION TO BE ON. SECOND. SECOND. WE MOVE PROMPT SECOND THAT WE APPOINT SUE MASSELL TO THE SOLID WASTE COMMITTEE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET BE KNOW BY AYE. THOSE DE OPPOSED? THAT MOTION IS CARRIED. MADAM CHAIRMAN? YEAH. QUIMBEE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT DAVID FU HART AND GEORGE WARD JR. TO THE BO HARBOR COMMITTEE. IT'S BEEN MOVING PROPER SECOND THAT WE APPOINT THOSE TWO PERSONS TO THE QUIMBEE VOTE HARBOR COMMITTEE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOW BY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE TO OPPOSED? AND THE MOTION HAS CARRIED. I THINK THAT'S IT, ISN'T IT? UM, MA'AM CHAIRMAN, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DID THE REAPPOINTMENT ON MARIA KNOX. WE DID. WE DID. OKAY. WELL I DIDN'T GET TO DO IT. SO LET ME RE REESTABLISH THAT. WE WANNA Y'ALL. IT, Y'ALL, Y'ALL GOTTA MINUTES. COUNTY PARK AND RECREATION. YOU'RE NOT BEING , I'M SORRY. ALRIGHT, WE ARE DOWN TO NEW BUSINESS. CONSIDER, UH, REFERRING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, CERTAIN PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE COUNTY CODE REGULATING THE, UM, SOLAR AND BATTERY, UH, FACILITIES. WHO'S SPEAKING OF THAT? YOU MR. MASON? YEP. MR. MASON. THANK YOU MA'AM. CHAIR MIKE MASON, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. SO IF YOU HATE MAIN, UH, IF YOU HATE MANDATES, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DO. YEP. AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE EROSION OF LOCAL LAND USE AUTHORITY, , YOU'RE GONNA HATE THIS PRESENTATION. UM, BUT THIS, THIS AGENDA ITEM WAS PREVIOUSLY UP UNDER CONSENT AND I MOVED IT OFF OF THERE. UM, BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU NEED TO HAVE A BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE INITIATING AND REFERRING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S IN THE END, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO DO TONIGHT TO INITIATE AND REFER CHANGES TO MATIC COUNTY CODE BECAUSE, UM, ULTIMATELY OF THESE, UH, PASSAGE OF THESE TWO BILLS AND ITS EFFECT, IT'S HAPPENED ON VIRGINIA CODE AND, AND ON ON YOUR LOCAL ZONING AUTHORITY. UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE ASK AT THE END IS TO REFER IT. UM, BUT JUST [01:40:01] WANTED TO GO QUICKLY OVER, UH, SORT OF, UM, STARING AT VIRGINIA CODE AND LOOKING AT WHAT WAS THE CODE BEFORE THESE SENATE BILLS WERE PASSED AND WHAT'S THE NEW CODE SECTION AFTERWARDS? AND THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN WHAT I HAVE. I JUST TOOK WHAT I THOUGHT WERE, UM, THE MOST, UM, COMPELLING, UH, CHANGES TO PUT IN FRONT OF YOU. UM, BUT ALL THESE CHANGES ARE FOCUSED ON, UM, THE SECTION OF CODE ABOUT CITING OF SOLAR PROJECTS AND BEST BATTERY INJURY STORAGE SYSTEMS. UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT SENATE BILL 4 43 AND WHAT THAT'S ABOUT, THAT'S ABOUT BATTERY INJURY STORAGE SYSTEMS. UM, IT'S REQUIRING THEM AS A BUY RIGHT USE ON PROPERTY OCCUPIED BY APPROVED SOLAR FACILITIES. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLD LANGUAGE IN THE CODE, UM, WHEN, UH, IT, IT, IT SAID NOTHING, THIS ARTICLE SHALL BE CONSTRUED TO EXEMPT AN APPLICANT FROM MANY OTHER APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS TO OBTAIN APPROVALS AND PERMITS UNDER FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL ORDINANCE AND REGULATIONS. SENATE BILL 4 43 INSERTS THIS IN THE FRONT OF THAT, THAT SENTENCE EXCEPT AS PROVIDED BY 15.2 23, 16 POINT 10. THAT'S A BRAND NEW SECTION OF CODE WASN'T THERE BEFORE. AND WHAT AS OLD LANGUAGE IS, IS NOT THERE. WHAT THAT SAYS, AMONG OTHER THINGS IS A BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE PROJECT SHALL BE DEEMED AS A PERMITTED ACCESSORY USE IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS ON ANY PARCEL OF LAND THAT IS SUBJECT TO AN APPROVED SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A SOLAR FACILITY. AND WHEN YOU SEE THE WORD SPECIAL EXCEPTION, THINK OF IT AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THE DEFINITION'S UP HERE, BUT IT'S, UM, IT'S EITHER SPECIAL USE OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR THE TERMS WE, WE TYPICALLY REFER, UM, IN MACK. BUT THIS MAKES IT A, UM, MEANS A PERMITTED SEXUAL USE IN ALL ZONING. UM, IS IS SUBJECT TO, UH, A APPROVED SPECIAL EXCEPTION OR CONDITIONAL USE FOR A SOLAR FACILITY. SO WHERE DOES THIS COME INTO PLAY? YOU HAVE A LARGE SOLAR FARM UP AT THE NORTHERN END OF THE COUNTY. THERE ARE A LOT OF PARCELS THAT ENCOMPASS THAT PROJECT. UM, HYPOTHETICAL, IF A DEVELOPER WAS, UM, WANTED TO PUT A SOLAR, OR NOT A SOLAR, I'M SORRY, A BATTERY INJURY STORAGE SYSTEM ON ONE OF THE PARCELS THAT HAS, UH, BEEN APPROVED FOR SOLAR WAS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BACK IN THE DAY WHEN THAT PROJECT WAS, UM, APPROVED, IT'S GONNA FIT HERE. IT'S GONNA BE ALLOWED. UM, SUCH BATTERY INDUSTRY STORAGE SHALL NOT REQUIRE SPECIAL EXCEPTION OR BE SUBJECT TO ANY OTHER LOCAL LAND USE APPROVAL. SO AGAIN, THIS IS NEW SECTION THAT BASICALLY IS PAVING THE WAY FOR PROJECTS LIKE THIS ON SO ON, ON, ON PARCELS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY, UM, APPROVED FOR A SOLAR PROJECT. WHEREAS YOU'LL HAVE VERY LIMITED AUTHORITY TO, UM, TO, TO STOP OR, OR EVEN PUT CONDITIONS ON. IN FACT, YOU'LL HAVE NO AUTHORITY BASED ON THIS. UH, UH, ON, ON THE, ON THE CONDITIONS OF THE OLD SOLAR MADAM CHAIRMAN. YES. TAKING AWAY LOCAL OPTION, TAKING AWAY ANYTHING THAT VACO FIGHTS US ALL THE TIME. TAKING AWAY LOCAL OPTION. YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY ABOUT LOCAL AND SAFETY FIRE CODES AND SAFETY SPECIFIC ITEMS. RIGHT? BUT, BUT THINGS LIKE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT APPLY TO THAT PARCEL FROM THE SOLAR, BUT IT'S BY, RIGHT? YEAH. THIS MAKES IT BY, RIGHT? YEAH, IT MAKES IT BY. RIGHT. AND THOSE TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT WERE ON THAT PARCEL BEFORE DON'T EXTEND DOWN TO THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE. RIGHT. UM, CRAZY. SO MASON, AND, AND MAYBE FOR MS. PROCTOR, SO WOULD IT BE WITHIN THE PAR THE PARAMETERS OF THE COUNTY TO SPECIFY THAT ANY BATTERY STORAGE BEST OPERATIONS NEED TO GO TO THAT PRE-APPROVED AREA? THAT WE WOULDN'T ACCEPT THEM EXCEPT IN THIS STATE, SINCE THE STATE IS DIRECTED, THEY HAVE TO GO THERE. WHY DO WE NEED TO CONSIDER 'EM FOR ANYWHERE ELSE? THEY HAVEN'T DIRECTED THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THERE. WHAT THEY'VE SAID IS IF THEY CHOOSE TO GO THERE, THEN IT'S A BY RIGHT. AS A, UM, YEAH, THANK YOU. 'CAUSE YOU SPOKE, BUT SO COULD WE DIRECT THAT THAT'S THE AREAS THAT WE ARE OPEN TO APPROVAL FOR A SOLAR OR I'M SORRY FOR A BATTERY. WHAT'D YOU SAY? BEST? THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. YEAH. OKAY. IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANNA PLAY. SO RIGHT NOW, YOUR LAST ORDINANCE THAT YOU ADOPTED, LIMITED THEM TO INDUSTRIAL WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE. SO YOU'RE BASICALLY ASKING CAN YOU TAKE THEM OUT OF INDUSTRIAL SO THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED ANYWHERE EXCEPT IN SOLAR BY, RIGHT. AND I THINK YOU COULD DO THAT. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I WOULD, I WOULD ASK STAFF TO FURTHER GENERAL THAT OPTION POINT THEY OPENED THE DOOR. YEAH, YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT MOTION. I THINK. WELL, I DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO STUDY THIS VERSION. NEED TO STUDY THE MOTION [01:45:01] EXEMPTION. SOMETHING ELSE. OH YEAH. WELL YOU, THIS IS GETTING DONE TO YOU. NO, NO, NO. I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S WHY I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, MIKE. I CAN TELL YOUR BLOOD PRESSURES WENT UP ON SOME OF THAT . I CAN TELL YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE GOES UP. OH YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO, WE'LL WE SORT OF GOT TO THAT NOW. WE'LL MOVE ON TO SENATE BILL 3 47. SO THIS ONE DESIGNATES CERTAIN GROUND SOLAR FACILITIES AS A CONDITIONAL USE AND AG BUSINESS, INDUSTRIAL MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICTS AND SPECS, MANDATORY SOLAR FACILITY REGULATION. SO RIGHT NOW, YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, UM, SPECIFIES THAT SOLAR'S ONLY ALLOWED IN, UM, UH, BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL. UH, THIS FIRST THING IT DOES IS IT SAID, NOW AGS BACK IN PLAY, UM, UNDER THIS, UM, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLD LANGUAGE, ANY LOCALITY MAY GRANT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. UM, THE NEW LANGUAGE IS EACH LOCALITY SHALL REQUIRE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. BUT THEY GO INTO, OKAY, WELL YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE NEEDS TO CONTAIN THE FOLLOWING AREAS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED WITH THAT SPECIAL EXCEPTION OR AGAIN, SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SORT OF USED SYNONYMOUSLY HERE. SHALE IS A VERY DEFINITIVE WORD, BECOMES LAW. YES, ABSOLUTELY. YEP. SHALL, SHOULD. SO, UM, SO EVEN SO NOW, THIS IS THE, THE MOST VOLUME OF THE CHANGES, UM, TO YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE ARE COMING IN THIS AREA. UM, PARTICULARLY WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT YOU'RE NOW SUPPOSED TO BE USING BASED ON STATE CODE. UM, WHEN YOU ARE GRANTING THAT, WHEN YOU'RE REVIEWING THAT SPECIAL EXCEPTION, YOU GOT SEX SETBACKS, FENCING AND VEGETARIAN SCREENING, SOLAR HEIGHT, CERTAIN VISUAL IMPACTS. SO AGAIN, RARELY DO YOU SEE WHERE THE STATE STEPS IN AND SAYS, HERE'S YOUR REVIEW CRITERIA THEY HAVE IN THIS, IN THIS CASE. AND, UM, ONCE, ONCE YOU GET TO THE CONCLUSION OF WHETHER YOU ARE GOING TO AGREE OR NOT WITH THE PROJECT, YOU'VE GOTTA PROVIDE YOUR, UM, UH, DECISION TO THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION NOW. AND THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION IS GOING TO PUT TOGETHER BASICALLY A DATABASE OF DECISIONS IN VIRGINIA AS TO WHO APPROVED, WHO DIDN'T APPROVE AND WHY. AND THAT'LL BE PUBLISHED. BUT THEY CANNOT OVERRIDE AT THIS POINT. CAN THEY? CAN THEY? NO, NOT YET. . WELL, UH, THAT'S ACCURATE. WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE DATABASE? THAT'S TO OVER LATER ON, TO USE THAT DATA TO TELL THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY SO THEY CAN OVERRIDE NO PRESSURE. CERTAIN LOCALES PRESSURE. YEAH. SO AGAIN, UM, THIS MATTER IS JUST BEING INITIATING REFERRED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THIS HAS IMPLICATIONS. UM, I WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT THESE CHANGES ARE DOING. AND, UH, JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEFORE, BEFORE WE SEND IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YOU KNOW, MADAM CHAIR, I ASK QUESTION. GO AHEAD MR. CLARK. WOULD THIS CAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I'D LIKE WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING COME DOWN FROM THE GENERAL, SOMEBODY THAT CAUSES US HEARTBURN, I WANNA KNOW HOW OUR TWO REPS VOTED ON THIS CRAP. I THINK WE SHOULD KNOW HOW THEY VOTED. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PART OF YOUR REASON. I WANT KNOW HOW THEY VOTED. YOU'RE AT. IIII KNOW WE CAN, BUT I WANT THAT WHEN, WHEN IT GIVES HIS HEARTBURN. I WANT TO KNOW. IT'S EASY TO DO. YOU CAN LOOK RIGHT WHAT SHE GIVES US. YEAH. IT IN SHIRLEY'S NOTES. IT IS IN SHIRLEY'S. OH, IT'S SHIRLEY'S NOTES. OKAY. YEAH, I CAN'T REMEMBER. I THINK THEY VOTED FOR BOTH. I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THEY VOTED. BOTH OF 'EM VOTED FOR BOTH, I BELIEVE. SO. MR. P THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. AND SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MANDATES, LEMME GO BACK TO WHAT THE, UH, THE AMENDMENT THAT WE MADE TO THE CHESAPEAKE BAY PRESERVATION ACT OR THE ATLANTIC PRESERVATION ACT. JUST FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION, FOR THE MEDIUM, I'LL ASK OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY A QUESTION. THE ONLY THING THAT WAS DISCRETIONARY IN THAT AMENDMENT WAS REMOVING THE SEASIDE. CORRECT? EVERYTHING ELSE WAS MANDATED. ABSOLUTELY LEFT. GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, MADAM COUNTY ATTORNEY. THANK YOU. MAD ATTORNEY. MM-HMM . ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I ACTUALLY SENT, GOING BACK TO MR. CROCKETT'S POINT AHEAD, UM, WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE A MOTION, I GUESS, OR THE ASK MA'AM. I'LL DEFER TO YOU. BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO DO A COMPARISON OF THE STATE CODE REGARDING THE RPA AND THE RMA TO THE COUNTY CODE. AND IDENTIFY ANY AREAS THAT WE MAY BE MORE STRINGENT THAN THE STATE HAS DIRECTED AND MAKE A REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD. COULD I JUST ADD ONE THING THERE, MADAM CHAIR? SURE. AND, UH, [01:50:01] RESEARCH OTHER AREAS. YES. WHERE THEY MAY BE LESS RESTRICTED. ACCEPT IT. ACCEPT IT. OKAY. OKAY. YES. SECOND, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. YOU'VE HEARD THE, UH, MOTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AND THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED. OKAY. COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT. WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THIS. GO BACK. WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THIS. I'M SORRY. REFER IT TO PLANNING COMMISSION. OKAY. YOU NEED A MOTION FOR THAT? I'M SORRY. I MOVE. WE REFER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SECOND IS MOVING PROPERLY. SECOND THAT WE REFER THE, UH, MATTER TO THE, UM, TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSION. RE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LABOR BE KNOWN BY AYE. A. ALL OPPOSED? AND THAT MOTION IS CARRIED. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I AGREE. NOW WE'RE COMING DOWN TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVES REPORT. DISTRACTING. SO THE FIRST ITEM UNDER MY REPORT WAS JUST ALERT YOU THAT IN AUGUST, UM, ONCE A YEAR, WE GET TOGETHER WITH OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND GO OVER GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UM, WHAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO SEE, SEE AS YOUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. THAT MEETING IS GONNA BE IN AUGUST. UM, I'M JUST ALERTING YOU TO THAT. NOW, THE BOARD MAY WANT TO HAVE THIS AS A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM, UM, AT YOUR JULY MEETING TO GO OVER WHAT YOU THINK, WHAT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO RELAY TO OUR, TO OUR, UH, STATE OFFICIALS AS TO HOW YOU WOULD LIKE THEM. UM, WHAT PRIORITIES YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADVANCE IN THEIR GENERAL ASSEMBLY NEXT YEAR. UM, WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONES THAT WE FRANKLY HOLD OVER FROM EVERY YEAR THAT WE ADVANCE. THINGS LIKE TEACHER SALARIES AND THE MAKING SURE THAT FUNDING THAT'S SET ASIDE, UH, FOR OKAY, UH, FOR PUBLIC SCH, UH, MACK COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL, UH, RETENTION AND, AND PAY FOR OUR TEACHER STAYS IN THE BUDGET, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT ALSO, YOU MAY EVEN WANT TO THINK ABOUT REMINDING, UM, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, FRANKLY, TO, UH, NOT IMPOSE ADDITIONAL MEASURES THAT ERODE YOUR AUTHORITY. UM, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT A AGAIN, THERE'S, UH, I KNOW WE HAD A MEETING THE OTHER DAY ABOUT SOME CHANGES THAT COULD IMPACT THE A FD THINGS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO PUT FORTH TO OUR, AGAIN, TO OUR STATE OFFICIALS. SO REALLY THIS IS JUST TO PLANT THIS SEED AT THE MOMENT, UM, FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS TO START THINKING ABOUT THINGS THAT, UH, UM, YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADVANCE. AND, AND THEN I'LL BE ASKING IN THE FUTURE OF A APPROVAL BY THE BOARD BEFORE WE HIT TO THAT MEETING. UH, UM, 13.2 IS WE, UH, THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY HERE IS WE HAVE A BUDGET SHORTFALL ON THE NEW BUILDING PLANNING AND ECOM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE. THE OLD LIBRARY THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON. BEAR WITH ME A MILLION, SO I CAN'T IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME, AND I'M GONNA TRY TO FIT ALL THIS ON THE SCREEN, BUT THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, UM, THE PROJECT HAS COME IN MORE THAN WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING. THERE'S, UH, THINGS THAT ARE CAUSING THE PRICE TO ESCALATE. WE'VE HAD TO HAVE A NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM. UM, THE HVAC CAME IN MUCH HIGHER. UM, WE'RE AT, UH, AT A TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET OF ABOUT 2.7 MILLION TO FINISH THE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH INCLUDES ALL THE COSTS THAT WE'VE INCURRED TO DATE. AND SO THOSE YELLOW ITEMS, UM, THEY REPRESENT THE TOTAL OF ABOUT 1.1 MILLION THAT WERE SHORT ON GETTING THIS PROJECT, UH, ACROSS THE FINISH LINE BECAUSE THAT AMOUNT IS SIGNIFICANT. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOUR TYPICAL CONTINGENCY THAT YOU SET ASIDE DURING EVERY BUDGET CAN, CAN ADDRESS. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, BASICALLY CANNIBALIZING SOME OF, UH, PROJECTS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED OR SOME CONTINGENCIES THAT WE JUST SET ASIDE FOR BEGINNING OF NEXT FISCAL YEAR TO HELP, TO HELP BRIDGE THIS GAP. SO I'M GONNA START FROM THE BOTTOM, UM, OF THE YELLOW SHADED AREA. WE HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS BUILDING THAT WE HAVE NOT MOVED FORWARD WITH. UM, THINGS LIKE RESTROOMS THAT WE HAD PLANNED. WE WERE SHORT ON SOME FUNDING FOR THAT. UM, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT INTO THIS PROJECT TO KEEP THAT GOING. [01:55:01] UM, WE HAD SET UP A CAPITAL PROJECTS CONTINGENCY FUND. UM, WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS, WE'RE GONNA BASICALLY EXHAUST THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF THE CONTINGENCY FORM FUND BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. BUT THAT IS A REPURPOSING OF A PREVIOUS APPROPRIATION. THE, UH, AIRPORT FUEL FARM WAS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO DO. THAT PROJECT IS SHORT. UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET TO IT THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE THE APPROPRIATION WE HAVE FOR THAT PROJECT. UM, AT LEAST THE RECOMMENDATION. AND TO MOVE IT INTO THIS ONE AGAIN, TO HELP, UM, BRIDGE THE GAP. THE ONLY REAL NEW APPROPRIATION WOULD COME FROM, UH, $386,000. WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, WHEN THE, THE LAST BUDGET HAD A VERY SMALL, UM, TAX INCREASE. YOUR FY 27 BUDGET, THE FIRST INSTALLMENT OF TAXES FOR, FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR OF 2026 ACTUALLY FALLS IN FY 26. SO WHEN THE TAX RATE WAS RAISED, FY 26 GETS A SMALL ONE-TIME REVENUE, UM, ADDITION FROM THAT TAX INCREASE. AND SO THAT, THAT AMOUNT COMES OUT TO $386,000 A AGAIN, WOULD BE A ONE-TIME REVENUE IN FY 26 BECAUSE OF, OF THE SMALL TAX INCREASE. SO THOSE FOUR ITEMS TOGETHER ARE WHAT WE'RE STAFF IS ADVOCATING, UM, THAT WE USE TO BALANCE THIS, THIS PROJECT OUT AND MOVE FORWARD. AND I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THE BOARD IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH THIS IDEA, JUST, UM, JUST DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH THE APPROPRIATE, UM, BUDGET ACTIONS TO, TO, UM, PUT THESE FUNDS INTO THAT PROJECT AND LET'S, UM, FINISH IT UP. MR. QUESTION, UH, MR. MASON, OF THE TOTAL INCREASE OVER $1 MILLION, UH, WHAT WOULD BE DUE TO THE INCREASE IN COST OF MATERIALS AND LABOR AND SO FORTH, UH, WHILE THIS ESTIMATE WAS PUT TOGETHER BACK MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO? SO, YEAH, I BELIEVE THIS ESTIMATE GOES BACK A NUMBER OF YEARS ACTUALLY, UM, TO SOME OF THE WORK THAT WAS DONE BY THE, UH, LIBRARY WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING TO GET OUT OF THERE AND MOVE TO PARKLEY. UM, WHEN WE HIRED THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING FIRM TO DESIGN WORK, UH, THEY TOLD US PRETTY MUCH FROM DAY ONE, MAYBE EVEN IN, IN THE INTERVIEW FOR THE RFP, THEY THOUGHT THERE WAS GONNA BE A BUDGET PROBLEM. AND WE SAID, OKAY, WELL WE GOTTA START FROM SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, LET'S DO SOME DESIGN WORK, GET YOUR ESTIMATES TOGETHER AND SO FORTH. SO NOW THAT WE'RE TO THE POINT OF ACTUALLY GETTING BIDS FROM A GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND THEY'RE GETTING BIDS FROM THEIR SUBCONTRACTORS AND SO FORTH, NOW WE HAVE A, A PRETTY FIRM GRIP OF WHERE IT IS TODAY IN 2026 AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND, UM, IF YOU DO APPROVE THESE TRANSFERS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD EXECUTE THE CONTRACT AND, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUR PRICE. UM, AND SO, SO UH, REALLY IT'S ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE WHERE YOU GET INTO THE BUSINESS OF TAKING AN EXISTING, BUILDING AN OLD EXISTING BUILDING AND WORKING AND REMODEL IT TO, TO BRING UP TO WHAT THE SPECS NEEDS TO BE. YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE COST OVERRUNS. YEAH. IT WAS A FULL, A FULL GUT JOB. AND I DON'T EVEN, I DON'T EVEN REALLY WANT TO CALL IT A COST OVERRUN AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THE RENOVATIONS WEREN'T EVEN DESIGNED WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER THIS PLANNING LEVEL, UH, BUDGET. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY YOU BASICALLY, UM, STARTING TO PUT A BUDGET TOGETHER WITH HARDLY ANY INFORMATION. AND NOW, NOW THAT WE DO HAVE THE INFORMATION, WE KNOW WHAT TODAY'S CALL STARTS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. AND MADAM CHAIR, WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THE PROJECT. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST. SECOND, SECOND MOVING PROPERLY. CAN I MAKE A MINUTE? WAIT, WAIT. LEMME DO THIS. IT IS BEEN MOVING PROPERLY. SECOND, UH, THAT WE CONTINUE WITH THE, UH, PROCESS OF NOW DISCUSSION. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS I'M A BUSINESSMAN AND I RUN SHORTER FUNDS LIKE THIS. I SHELVE IT UNTIL I MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO MY BUDGET FOR FUTURE. RIGHT? RIGHT. WHAT IS THE COST TO THE COUNTY IN DELAYING THIS UNTIL WE PUT TAX INCREASES INTO THE BUDGET TO COME UP WITH A MILLION DOLLARS? 'CAUSE SOONER OR LATER WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COVER THE MONEY ANYWAY. HE'S ALREADY DONE IT. THIS IS NO NEW MONEY, BY THE WAY. NO. HE, HE'S DOING IT BY, BY TAKING IT FROM THAT BUDGET THERE. RIGHT. SO AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THAT. IT WOULD BE MY ASSUMPTION. SURE, SURE. YEAH. SO I I MONEY QUESTIONS THE DOWNSIDE OF SHELVING IS POTENTIAL COST, A HIGHER COST TO THE PROJECT IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. AND THAT, THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE ISSUE. UM, EVERY YEAR THE COSTS KEEP GOING UP, UP AND UP. EXCUSE ME. AND YOU KNOW, PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO YOU COULD DO IT FOR A MILLION DOLLARS. AND NOW WE'RE YOU 2.7 I I UNDERSTAND INFLATION. I, I MEAN, YEAH. YEAH. NO, THAT WAS MONEY QUESTION. SO THE REAL COST GONNA BE INCREASING OPERATING COST. IT MIGHT BE A 5% INCREASE. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. THERE'S [02:00:01] ANOTHER, LET'S CALL IT A COST OR LET, LET'S AT LEAST CALL IT AN IMPACT. WE JUST HAVE SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS WITH SPACE NEEDS RIGHT NOW. THE SHERIFF IS ONE OF THEM. UM, LEE'S UH, BUILDING PLANNING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS SPLIT BETWEEN TWO AREAS, RIGHT? IT CAUSES PEOPLE TO HAVE TO WALK ACROSS THE PARKING LOT TO GET ONE PERMIT AND GO BACK TO ANOTHER BUILDING. WE HAVE THAT. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, HOLDING OFF, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO CAUSE LIKE A TRAFFIC JAM ON SOME OF THOSE, UH, YOUR PLANS, MOVING EXPENSES, UM, OUR EFFORTS TO GET PEOPLE INTO SUITABLE, UM, OFFICE SPACE. UH, SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, I, AND, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE, CERTAINLY HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES ONCE THE SCHOOL'S MOVE DOWN TO MACK PRIMARY. BUT I, I, I CAN TELL YOU WE GOT SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THAT WE GOTTA SOLVE OVER IN, UH, UM, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND HAVING SOME FREE SPACE, EVEN IT BEING THIS BUILDING NEXT DOOR AND SOME OTHER POSSIBILITIES IN THE AREA WILL, WILL HELP WITH THAT. I THOUGHT THE PLAN WAS FOR THE SHERIFF TO BUY THE WHOLE LAWYER'S OFFICE. IS THAT NO LONGER ON THE TABLE? WE, WE, UH, ARE NOT CURRENTLY, UM, REALLY NEGOTIATING ON THAT RIGHT NOW. WE OKAY. KIND OF FELL THROUGH. WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL OPEN MM-HMM. , BUT WE HAVE NOT REACHED A DEAL. I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW IF I PUBLIC COMMENT OR NOT. ANYWAY. OKAY. NO, THAT'S FINE. YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS. SO PUTTING IT ALL FOR A YEAR MIGHT COST 5% MORE, WHICH IS, AND I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD THIS EVENING HAS BEEN ABOUT, UM, THE, THE TIME INVOLVED IN GETTING PERMITTING AND PLANNING AND THINGS IN PA THROUGH THE COUNTY'S PROCESS. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE INTENT OF THE RENOVATED NEW BUILDING IS TO IMPROVE THOSE PROCESSES AND HOPEFULLY EXPEDITE THOSE PROCESSES. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AS A COUNTY, WE HAVE TO TAKE EVERY STEP WE CAN TO IMPROVE. 'CAUSE FOR BUSINESSES, TIME IS MONEY AND FOR US. OKAY. THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AND THAT MOTION IS CARRIED. CONTINUING ON 13.3, UPDATE ON NATURAL GAS CONTRACT DEVELOPMENT WITH CHESAPEAKE UTILITIES, UM, STAFF, UH, AND REPRESENTATIVES OF, UH, THE CHESAPEAKE UTILITIES AGREED TO TERMS, IF, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CHESAPEAKE UTILITIES HAD A, UH, MAJOR INTERNAL MEETING, UH, I BELIEVE TODAY. AND, UM, WE SHOULD HEAR, UH, A REPORT OUT, UH, BEFORE THE END OF THE WEEK AS TO WHETHER THEIR, UH, APPROVERS, IF YOU WILL HAVE SIGNED OFF ON THE CONTRACT. BUT THE IMPORTANT THING TO KNOW IS COUNTY STAFF AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE AGREED ON THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND NOW WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THEM TO COME BACK WITH. UM, EXCELLENT. THE GREEN LIGHT. UM, UNDER OTHER, I DO HAVE ONE OTHER AND IT'S, UM, ACTUALLY A REQUEST TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR SOME SCHOOL BUDGET AMENDMENTS. UM, THE, THE, TO SUMMARIZE THIS, YOU ALL HAVE MADE A LOT OF, UM, HAD A LOT OF HEARINGS LATELY ON, UH, SCHOOL BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS, BE IT FOR GRANTS OR CARRYOVER FUNDS. BUT REMEMBER YOU'RE MAKING ALL THOSE ADJUSTMENTS FOR FY 26, WHICH ENDS JUNE 30TH. SO WE'RE IN GONNA BE IN SORT OF A, LET'S START IT UP AGAIN. MODE COME JULY ONE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THE SCHOOLS WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THE FUNDS FOR PROJECTS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY LET HAVE A CONTRACT ON ARE REAPPROPRIATED COME JULY ONE. UM, AND THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH, UM, IN TOTAL THAT THERE WILL REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING AND A, UM, UH, A, A, A BUDGET AMENDMENT. SO, SO I WOULD ASK, UM, YOUR PERMISSION TO ADVERTISE FOR THAT HEARING AT YOUR JULY MEETING, MOVE IT, BUT MOVING PROPER SECOND THAT WE, UH, REQUEST A SCHOOL BUDGET AMENDMENTS. UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR MAY BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? AND THE MOTION IS CARRIED. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY, UH, REPORT UNDER COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORT. THANK YOU. DOWN TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS COMMENT, PERIOD. MR. HART? NO MA'AM. MR. WASHINGTON? NONE. MR. CROCKETT? NO MA'AM. MRS. UH, VICE CHAIR JOHNSON? NO. THANK YOU. MR. TAR. JUST APPOINT TO MAKE THAT SINCE WE GOT RID OF THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CHESAPEAKE BAY ACT. FOR THE SEASIDE, MAYBE YOU'LL HAVE, GET SOME PERMITS TO BUILD THESE CHILDCARE PLACES. YOU KNOW, IF THAT COMES TO MIND, YOU KNOW, JUST THINKING AHEAD. THEY PROBABLY DON'T GO AHEAD AND GET THE LAND GOING NOW. OKAY. UM, MR. PARKS. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE BOARD AND THE [02:05:01] COUNTY STAFF, UH, FOR THE WORK WE DID OVER THE LAST YEAR, UH, TO GET THREE 16 DEDICATED TO LIEUTENANT CHU, THE BLOCKS AND VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT AND MACK PUBLIC, UH, UM, PUBLIC SERVICE, NOT PUBLIC SERVICE. SAFETY. SAFETY, SAFETY. THANK YOU. UM, I WAS ABLE TO PRESENT THAT AND DO THAT DEDICATION AT PARSLEY'S MEMORIAL DAY CEREMONY. UH, AND IT WAS A REAL HONOR AND I JUST WANNA THANK EVERYONE FOR YOUR SUPPORTING THAT. UH, ONE OTHER QUICK THING AND LOOKING AT THE CHIEF PRUITT. UM, IT IS VERY, VERY DRY AND WE ARE GOING INTO FIREWORKS SEASON. AND PLEASE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BE RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE IT, I MEAN, IT IS MORE DRY THAN THE WEATHERMAN IS TELLING US IF YOU'RE IN MY HOUSE. SO PLEASE FIRE SAFETY, FIRE SAFETY, FIRE SAFETY. YOU CAN'T SAY IT. ENOUGH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, NOTHING. NOTHING. MADAM CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. WHEN DO I HAVE YES, NOTHING TO SAY. WELL, I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY RIGHT HERE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SHORT TIME. THIS IS, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT ASK SKEW, BUT SINCE WE HAD TORIAN IN, WE KNOW OUR SCHOOL DOES A VERY GOOD JOB EDUCATING PEOPLE FOR COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY AND FOR FUTURE EMPLOYMENT. UM, META FACEBOOK JUST INVESTED $115 MILLION TO CREATE THE META TRADES LIKE TRADING ACADEMY, WHERE THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO TEACH ALL THE, THAT'S FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO EMPLOY, UH, THE APP. PELL GRANT IS NOW WORKING ON A GRANT THAT IS GOING TO HELP FACILITATE JUNIOR COLLEGES TO PROMOTE TRADE TRAINING FOR CHILDREN WHO WANT FUTURE AND THE TRADES. AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOME TRADE PROGRAMS IN THE COUNTY, I ASSUME WE HOPEFULLY WILL BEEF THEM UP. UM, AND JUST SO THE COUNTY CHILDREN WHO ARE LISTENING, 10 YEARS AGO I HAD PEOPLE WORKING FOR ME WITH HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMAS IN THE TRADES, MAKING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR. BIG MONEY IN TRADES. TELL YOUR, TELL YOUR OTHER CITIZENS THAT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO IN COLLEGE TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. UM, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. GOOD POINT. GOOD POINT. GOOD POINT. I AGREE TOO. THANK YOU. UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY HAPPY JUNETEENTH TO ALL OF YOU AND THAT'S COMING UP ON FRIDAY. AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS. HAPPY HOLIDAY AND ENJOY YOUR FRIDAY OFF COUNTY STAFF. UH, I'M GONNA ENJOY MY DAY. AND THAT BRINGS US TO OUR BUDGET AND APPROPRIATION. MOVE IT SECOND TO MOVE PROPER SECOND THAT WE APPROVE OUR BUDGET AND APPROPRIATION ITEMS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO. LET IT BE KNOWN BY I OPPOSED. OKAY. UH, THAT BRINGS TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF BECAUSE OKAY. WE DID THAT. PAYABLES. ARE WE CERTIFIED? CERTIFIED? I AM. SECOND IF WE'RE MOVING PROMPT. SECONDED. WE PAY OUR BILLS IN THE FURTHER DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THAT MOTION IS CARRIED. NO NEED FOR CLOSED SESSION. IS THAT RIGHT? WE DO. WE DO NEED CLOSED SESSION. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. I WHO HAS THAT MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION. PURSUIT TO VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A FIVE FOR DISCUSSION CONCERNING A PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS ON INDUSTRY FOR THE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY WHERE NO PROVISION ANNOUNCEMENT HAS BEEN MADE OF THE BUSINESS INDUSTRY INTEREST IN LOCATING OR EXPANDING ITS FACILITY IN NORTHERN AMAN COUNTY. SECOND TO MOVING PROPER SECOND THAT WE GO ENC CLOSE SESSION PURSUANT TO THAT CODE. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, LET TO BE KNOWN BY AYE. A. ALL THOSE OPPOSED AND WE ARE IN CLOSED SESSION. DO WE HAVE IS GONNA BE ANY ACTION ITEMS? YOU OKAY? ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER VIRGINIA LAW AND I ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED SESSION WAS CONVENED, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVING PROPERLY. SECOND, THAT ONLY THING THAT, UH, WAS DISCUSSED WAS ACCORDING TO THE CODE THAT WE WENT INTO THE CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS. AND THIS IS BY VOICE AFFIRMATION. UH, MR. HART? YES. MR. WASHINGTON? YES. MR. CROCKETT? YES. MR. VICE-CHAIR JOHNSON? YES. MR. TAR? YES. MR. PARKS? YES. MR. PHILLIPS? YES. LORD. I FORGOT YOUR LAST NAME. YES. OKAY. . THAT'S YOUR NEW LAST. OH, NEW LAST NAME. I HAD A SENIOR MOMENT THEN. AND THE CHAIR SAYS YES. THAT BRINGS US BACK IN OPEN SESSION. WE HAVE ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO AGER [02:10:01] MANAGER CHAIR. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVING PROPERLY. SECOND, THAT WE ADJOURN. AND THAT'S NON DEBATABLE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AND THE MOTION IS CARRIED. I'M SORRY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.