[Planning Commission Regular Meeting on July 8, 2026.]
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UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, ADDITIONS OR SUBTRACTION TO THE AGENDA? I MAKE A MOTION.
WE ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS WRITTEN, THEN.
WE MOVE ON TO THE MINUTES OF MAY 13TH.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? I MOVE.
WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM MAY 13TH.
I HAVE WRITTEN, I SECOND I HAVE A MOTION.
AND SECOND TO, UM, ACCEPT MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
A AYE CAN MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD.
WE'LL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR PAUL BURGE.
STATE YOUR NAME AND, UM, WHERE YOU'RE FROM.
I LIVE ON BUN POINT ROAD, UM, JUST NORTH OF WATCH CREEK.
UH, MY FAMILY HA OWNS A, UH, UH, 70 SOME ACRE PIECE OF LAND ON THE, ON THE NICK WAMPA CREEK.
UH, THE LAND TRUST SAYS THAT, UH, I, WE HAVE ABOUT 3,800 FEET OF SHORELINE, ALMOST THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE.
UH, I WAS, I I ALSO WAS PDC DIRECTOR, THE MACK NORTH HAMPTON PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION DIRECTOR FROM 1979 TO 2007.
SO I HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A HISTORY ON THIS.
UH, AND I'M, I'M, I'M CALLING.
I'M, I'M HERE TO REQUEST YOUR HELP ON, UH, THE REMOVAL OF SEASIDE ON CHESAPEAKE BAY ACT.
UH, AGAIN, I LIVE ON SEASIDE, SO WE WERE, WERE AFFECTED.
UH, I, I ALSO, IN WORKING WITH THE PDC, UH, WAS INVOLVED IN DEVELOPING THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE, UM, UH, IN RICHMOND.
AND, AND, AND, UH, GO BACK, GO BACK A WAYS ON IT.
I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT, UH, WE REALLY DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS TO YOU AND GIVE YOU SOME ADVICE, UH, OR, OR, AND COMMENT ON REMOVING THE, UH, THE, UH, THE SEASIDE FROM, FROM THAT.
AND I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF US OUT THERE QUITE CONCERNED.
BUT AS YOU RECALL, THE PROCESS WAS, THEY, THEY, UH, THEY, YOU ALL REVIEWED SOME, UH, SOME HOUSEKEEPING ISSUES.
YOU RECOMMENDED THEM, YOU PASSED 'EM TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THE BOARD KIND OF GOT INTO IT AND DECIDED THAT NOT ONLY WOULD THEY ADOPT THOSE, UH, AS REQUIRED BY THE STATE LAW, BUT THEY'D ALSO TAKE THE SEASIDE OUT OF THE BAY ACT.
UM, AND SO WE REALLY NEVER, NONE OF THE ADVERTISING AND NONE OF THE, THE, UH, THE, THE, THE PUBLIC GENERALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON.
IN FACT, THE FIRST TIME I SAW ANYTHING ABOUT IT WAS AFTER THE MEETING IN THE SHORE DAILY NEWS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO, OUTTA FAIRNESS, ASK YOU TO REQUEST A PUBLIC HEARING FROM THE, UH, OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON THIS ISSUE.
AND, AND THEY ASK THAT, UH, YOU BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON IT.
UM, MIKE MASON SAYS THAT ONLY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS NOW CAN DO THAT.
SO YOU ARE, YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET THEIR PERMISSION, BUT THE POINT WOULD BE, UH, TO, UH, TO, TO SEE IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO HOLD A HEARING, BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A DRAMATIC CHANGE.
IT WAS NOT REALLY DISCUSSED IN ANY OF THE PUBLIC NOTICES PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
UH, UM, WELL, YOU CAN SEE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE SPOKEN IN FRONT OF PUBLIC BODIES, SO I'M A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS.
UM, UH, WHEN THE ACT WAS APPROVED IN, UH, 1991 HERE, UH, IT DID NOT INCLUDE THE SEASIDE.
BUT THEN IN 2009, THE AKIMA COUNTY STAFF ASKED THAT, UH, AND RECOMMENDED THAT SEASIDE BE INCLUDED IN THE BAY ACT.
AND THEY PUT OUT A LOT OF MATERIAL ABOUT IT, UM, INCLUDING THIS VERY LARGE EXPLANATION.
UM, UH, FUNDED IN PART BY STATE STATE, UH, DEQ FUNDING A LARGE ARTICLE EXPLAINING THEIR, THEIR REASONING.
AND IT BASICALLY, WE GOT DOWN TO, THEY WANTED TO, TO PROTECT THEIR ECONOMY.
UH, THEY WANTED TO PROTECT FISHING, AGRICULTURE, TOURISM, AND AS WELL AS MAINTAIN THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE, UH, OF THE, OF, UH, OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I ALSO HAVE, IN ADDITION TO LIVING ON SEASIDE FOR SINCE 19 9 85, ALSO HAD A RECENT INCIDENT WHERE THE PROPERTY NEXT TO ME WAS, UH, WAS SOLD TO A, A YOUNG FAMILY FROM CAMBRIDGE,
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MARYLAND WHO HAS A LANDSCAPING BUSINESS.SO IN SEPTEMBER, I HEARD THIS INDUSTRIAL GRADE OF, OF, OF A TREE CUTTING, UH, PROCESS GOING ACROSS THE GUT.
UH, SO I CALLED, UH, TOM BROKEN BALL.
FIRST HE REFERRED ME TO PAUL WATSON, AND PAUL WENT OUT AND SHOWED HIM THAT HE, UH, UH, AND SHOWED HIM HOW, AND GAVE HIM AFTER THE FACT PERMIT.
HAD, HAD, HAD, HAD, HAD HUGE LO LOLLIES.
AND I WORRY THAT IF THE BAY ACT IS TAKEN AWAY FROM THE SEASIDE, THOSE KIND OF TREES AND STUFF WOULD BE, WOULD BE TORN DOWN JUST TO SECURE A VIEW.
SO MY QUE REQUEST AGAIN, AND I'M SORRY MM-HMM
UH, IS IF POSSIBLE, IF YOU COULD ASK THE BOARD TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ISSUE AND ASK THEM TO ASK FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ISSUE, BECAUSE IT'S SO BIG, IT'S SO IMPORTANT.
WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO COMMENT IN PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS REMOVAL OF PAR PARTIAL FROM THE A FD TAX MAT, 77 DASH A DASH 1 32.
OKAY, SO, UH, JUST A BACKGROUND.
OH, BY THE WAY, MY NAME'S GIN JONES, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR ZONING.
UH, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND, UH, MR. UH, DALEY IS THE APPLICANT PROPERTY OWNER IS ACTUALLY, UH, MR. DAVID EVANS, AND IT'S LOCATED ON 2 1 2 2 0 ADAMS ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 198 ACRES.
UH, ZONED AG IN THE A FD DISTRICT IS GREEN BUSH.
SO, UH, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS TO REMOVE PART OF A PARCEL FROM THE GREEN BUSH AGRICULTURAL FORESTAL.
DISTRICT PROPERTY IS LOCATED 2 1 2 2 0 ADAMS ROAD NEAR GREEN BUSH, AND IT'S TAX PARCEL 77 A 1 32.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE PARCEL LOOKS LIKE.
FAIRLY LARGE PARCEL ZONED AG FUTURE LAND USES AG, UH, NOT THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, THERE IS RPA ON THE PARCEL, BUT AS YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN A MINUTE, UM, THE SECTION THAT MR. EVANS WISHES TO BE REMOVED IS NOT IN THE RPA AND THE REASON FOR THE SEASON.
UH, THE GREEN INDICATES A FD HERE'S SOME PICTURES OF THE SITE.
THIS IS, UH, WHAT THEY WANT SPLIT OFF.
THEY WANNA SPLIT OFF THIS HOUSE TO SELL, UH, WHILE RETAINING, UM, THE AG LAND AROUND IT.
AND THAT'S, UH, AN IMAGE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO, UH, A FD CONSIDERATIONS, THAT WITHDRAWAL OF PARTS FROM A DISTRICT, I'LL JUST PARAPHRASE THIS.
THIS IS THE PROCESS OF REMOVING A PARCEL FROM THE A FD STARTS.
THE A FD COMMITTEE COMES TO YOU GUYS.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE GET TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THEN A SUBDIVISION OF A PARCEL.
UH, LANDLINE WITHIN A DISTRICT SHALL NOT BE SUBDIVIDED DURING THE PERIOD THAT SUCH DISTRICT EXISTS, EXCEPT THAT WITH THE PRIOR APPROVAL OF THE BOARD LAST MEETING, THE CRITERIA OF VIRGINIA CODE 15.2, 2244, AND AKIMA COUNTY CODE 78 12 MAY BE SUBDIVIDED FOR, FOR USE BY AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OF THE OWNER OF SUCH LAND.
FURTHER LAND MAY BE DIVIDED OR SUBDIVIDED AND SOLD FOR CONTINUED AGRICULTURE AND FORESTAL USE, SO LONG AS IT CONTINUES TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS ORDINANCE AND THE DISTRICT.
UH, THE OWNER WISH TO SUBDIVIDED THE 1.4 ACRE SECTION FROM AN EXISTING FARM.
UH, THE OWNER WAS GRANTED A VARIANCE FOR THE LACK OF ROAD FRONTAGE.
SO JUST A, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE ANY ROAD FRONTAGE.
THEY ALREADY WENT TO THE BZA AND GOT APPROVED FOR THAT.
AND, UH, WHILE A SMALL SECTION OF THE PARCEL WILL BE REMOVED, A SUBSTANTIAL PART OF THE FARM WILL REMAIN INTACT AND CONTINUE PRODUCTION.
UM, FOR US, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE SUBDIVISION, GIVEN THE APPROVAL OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR THE VARIANCE AND THE LOW IMPACT OF A 1.4 ACRE PIECE FROM A 198 ACRE PARCEL.
AND, UM, OF COURSE, WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT WE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
ANY QUESTIONS? SO, IS THE LAND AG? YES.
CAN YOU MAKE A 1.4 PAR ACRE PARCEL IN THAT FIVE ACRE? THERE, THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED A CLUSTER OPTION.
UH, THE CLUSTER OPTION ALLOWS A ONE-TIME SPLIT OF APPROXIMATELY 30,000 SQUARE FEET TO THREE ACRES, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT COMES FROM.
IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR AGRICULTURAL LAND.
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MOTION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING? YES.BEFORE, BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT THAT THIS IS, THIS LOCATION'S BEEN IN EVANS FAMILY SINCE THE SIXTIES, SO BEFORE ANY KIND OF REGULATORY, UH, THAT'S WHY WE APPROVE THE, UH, VARIANCE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ARE THEY GOING TO SELL THIS OFF TO A FAMILY MEMBER OR NO? THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE, WE'RE COMING HERE FOR THE SUBDIVISION OF A PARCEL.
IF IT WAS FAMILY SUBDIVISION, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
MY BELIEF IS WE COULD GO STRAIGHT TO THE BOARD.
SUPERVISORS, IT IS MR. EVANS, UH, WISH THAT HE SELLS THIS TO GET SOME MONEY OUT OF IT.
SO NOT TO AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REMOVAL FROM THE A FD OF THE GREEN BUSH PARCEL AS PRESENTED.
SECOND, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO AMEND THAT TO AUGUST 12TH? AUGUST 12TH? I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO AUGUST 12TH THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MOTION, A MOTION TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 12TH.
THE OTHER MATTERS, THE REZONING OF 0 0 0 1-838-188-DASH 2 20 25.
DUNCAN MANOR VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT REZONING FROM BUSINESS TO AG.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, LEE PAM, THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A RELATIVELY SHORT, UM, SHORT REPORT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH, UH, NEW IN TERMS OF, UH, IN TERMS OF ACTIVITY.
AT SOME POINT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT FROM NOW, UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO MENTION IS THAT, UH, UH, UH, COUNTY PLANNER SHANTI, RIDLEY AND I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH MR. CARBAUGH, WHO HAS CERTAINLY HEARD THE, UH, THE CONCERNS WITH REGARDS TO UTILITIES AND IS LOOKING TO, UH, TO REVISE THE LAYOUT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, UH, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, UH, CONCERNS IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF, UH, OF HOUSING UNITS, BUT THEN TO ALSO, UH, TO ALSO AMEND THE TYPE OF, UH, THE TYPE OF HOUSING PRODUCTS.
SO AS FAR AS THE, UH, AS FAR AS THE HIGHER DENSITY ONE OVER ONE CONDOS, HE'S LOOKING AT OPTIONS FOR MORE SINGLE FAMILY TYPE HOUSING PRODUCTS.
SO, UH, WHAT WE ARE, UH, WHAT WE'VE ALSO BEEN ASKED TO DO BY VDOT IS TO INCLUDE A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
AND YOU SEE THOSE IN YOUR, UH, IN YOUR, UH, STAFF REPORT.
I THOUGHT THAT MR. CARDWELL WAS GONNA BE HERE THIS EVENING.
HE AND I SPOKE, UH, AGAIN EARLIER THIS WEEK, BUT HE IS NOT AVAILABLE TONIGHT FOR QUESTIONS.
IN ANY CASE, NOTHING ELSE HAS REALLY CHANGED ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE CASE OTHER THAN THE STAFF HAS RECEIVED A REVISED LAYOUT.
WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT LAYOUT, AND WE'RE GONNA PRESENT THAT TO YOU NEXT MONTH.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I CAN FEEL ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
SO, ON THE PACKET, THE FIRST PAGE IS THIS, UM, IF YOU ROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT, I'M NOT SURE, I DIDN'T PRINT, I DIDN'T PRINT IT OUT, BUT IT SAYS, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS PROCEEDED BY THE COASTAL SQUARES AND RE RESIDENCIES, REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE REST OF THE PORTION OF DUNCAN MANOR.
NOT CON CAN'T READ MY WRITING, BUT IN THE REZONING REQUEST.
SO IS THIS GONNA BE A PART OF COASTAL, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? NO.
IT WILL, IT WILL FEATURE A, A VEHICULAR CONNECTION THERE IN THE, UH, NORTHERN PARTY.
DO WE HAVE THAT AVAILABLE? UM, THERE, YEAH.
SO COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCE IS EVERYTHING ABOVE, UH, ABOVE THIS LINE RIGHT HERE.
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A VEHICULAR CONNECTION BETWEEN DUNCAN MANOR, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE RENDERED IN COLOR, AND THEN THE REST OF THE, UH, AND THEN THE REST OF THE COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES.THIS WAS ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED BY
SO THAT HAS ALWAYS, AND, AND ON THE SUBSEQUENT, UM, OR I GUESS ON THE PRECEDING COASTAL SQUARE IN RESIDENCES PLAN, UH, THAT CONNECTION WAS ALSO, UH, WAS ALSO CONSIDERED WITH THE LAYOUT AT THAT TIME.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE WORDING MEANT.
WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE REZONING OF 0 0 0 5 6 20 26.
MARINER FARM VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT REZONING FOR PROFFER AMENDMENT AND CUP FOR A DI VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT WITH A WAIVER REQUEST.
SO, UM, WHEN THE, WHEN THE COMMISSION LAST DISCUSSED THIS IN MAY, SINCE WE WERE NOT, UH, SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE QUORUM LAST MONTH, UH, AT THAT TIME, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF, A COUPLE OF REQUESTED CHANGES.
FOR INSTANCE, THERE WAS THE ONE ABOUT THE PLUS OR MINUS 10 FEET ON THE, ON THE SIDE LOT LINES.
AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO THE CONSIDERATION ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF TRAILS FROM BEHIND THE UNITS.
THOSE WERE ACCOMPLISHED AND PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION IN MAY.
AND, UM, AND, UH, UH, SINCE THEN, NO OTHER CHANGES TO THE LAYOUT HAVE BEEN, UH, HAVE BEEN, UH, PROVIDED, UM, JUST EARLIER THIS WEEK.
WELL, I'LL JUST, UH, GO ON THROUGH THE, UH, STAFF REPORT HERE.
WE DID RECEIVE A REVISED TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, WHICH HAS BEEN ROUTED TO VDOT.
UH, THE, THE, THE MAIN THING WITH REGARDS TO THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IS, UH, IS TO LOOK AT A SHIFT IN THE, UH, IN THE LOCATION OF THE ACCESSES.
THE NUMBER OF UNITS REMAINS THE SAME AT 140 WITH THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND THIS, AND THIS NEW LAYOUT.
SO THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT SHOWED 140 UNITS.
THIS CURRENT LAYOUT SHOWS 140 UNITS.
SO TRAFFIC GENERATION IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
UH, BUT THE, BUT THE ENTRANCES HAVE KIND OF SHIFTED A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S WHAT WE ANTICIPATE VDOT TO BE LOOKING AT.
UM, EARLIER THIS WEEK, WHICH WAS, UH, WHICH WAS SUBMITTED AFTER THE PUBLICATION OF THIS AGENDA, WE RECEIVED A REVISED PROFFER AND, UM, AND, UH, UH, BOTH AND THAT DID NOT MAKE IT INTO THE PACKET BECAUSE OF COURSE WE RECEIVED IT ON MONDAY.
IN ANY CASE, IT'S A VERY MINOR ADJUSTMENT, UM, TO WHERE PROFFER NUMBER FOUR INDICATES THE LOCATION OF AN EMS STATION IN DISCU, IN THE, UH, APPLICANT'S DISCUSSIONS WITH THE GREENVILLE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY WANTED TO PUT FIRE IN THERE AS WELL.
SO, SO THE REVISED PROFFER SAYS EMS AND FIRE STATION.
THAT IS THE ONLY CHANGE THAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED.
AND THAT CHANGE HAS BEEN, UM, CARRIED OVER THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE PARTS OF THE, OF THE REST OF THE PROFFERS THAT MAKE A REFERENCE TO AN EMS STATION.
OTHER THAN THAT, NO OTHER CHANGES TO THE PROFFERS.
SO, UM, THERE WAS ONE, THERE WAS ONE PENDING ITEM THAT WE HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED, WHICH WAS SOME INFORMATION WITH REGARDS TO THE CAPACITY OF THE WATER AND SEWER PLANTS THAT SERVE, UH, CAPTAIN'S COVE.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE NEW.
SO, UM, AGAIN, AT SOME POINT THE STAFF WILL BE REQUESTING A, A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TO, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD EITHER FOR AN APPROVAL, FOR RECOMMENDATION OR NOT IN THAT CASE.
UM, WELL, I WILL JUST MENTION THAT, UH, UH, TIM HEARN, WHO IS THE APPLICANT, IS ALSO HERE TO, UH, TO, UH, FIELD ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
BUT THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
ON THE, THE CORNER FOR THE, FOR THE GREEN BLACKVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT, CAN WE BRING THAT ON? UM, I TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHAT WITH SOMEBODY THAT WORKS WITH ALL FIRE DEPARTMENTS, AND THEIR OPINION WAS THE LIKELIHOOD OF ANYTHING BEING DONE.
THERE IS NOT MUCH THAT THEIR OPINION, YOU KNOW, THAT THE PEOPLE IN GREENBACK FIELD, THE FIREMEN AND ALL THAT, WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO TRAVEL ALL THE WAY OUT THERE IF IT WAS MOVED THERE.
AND ALSO REGARDING THE PARKING ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, AND THE LACK OF REMOTE OR RESERVE PARKING, WHICH I'VE SEEN IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF
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YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE ENTERTAINING, PEOPLE HAVE TO PARK, YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE STREET.AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A PORTION OF IT OR MORE OF IT COULD BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WON'T BUILD ANYTHING 50 YEARS FROM NOW.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WON'T BUILD ANYTHING 50 YEARS FROM NOW.
NO, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD, BUT IF IT SITS VACANT, AND MAYBE THEY COULD HAVE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN USE IT FOR PARKING IN THE MEANTIME UNTIL THEY DO SOMETHING.
BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NECESSARILY, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, WE HAD QUITE A DISCUSSION THE LAST TIME, AS I RECALL MM-HMM
THAT, UH, THERE'S NO PARKING ON THE STREET.
IF ANYBODY HAS A PARTY OR ANYTHING, I'M, WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO PARK? WELL, I'VE SEEN DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS AND THEY HAVE PARKING.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING THE FIREHOUSE AREA INTO SOME SORT OF PARKING.
AND THEN IF THEY EVER DECIDE TO WANT TO BUILD A BUT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD NEGATE THE PROFFER, WOULDN'T IT? I MEAN, THAT'S A LEGAL THING.
BUT I'M, I'M SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, BUILD A PARKING LOT NOW AND THEN THIS INDIVIDUAL THAT, THAT THAT KNOWS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WORKS AND MOVES AROUND THE COUNTY AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE GUYS AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GET UP AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A FIRE IN GREEN BACKFIELD, THEY GOTTA RUN THE ALL THE WAY OUT THERE AND THEN TURN AROUND AND COME BACK, YOU KNOW? YEAH, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
AND I THINK WE BROUGHT THAT UP WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT SOME TIME AGO, BUT THE, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT THEY'VE GOTTA MAINTAIN IT TO SOME STANDARD.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE PROFFER IS THERE, AND I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING WILL BE BEN BUILT THERE FOR 10 OR 20 YEARS, BUT, YOU KNOW, 25 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN THE COUNTY MM-HMM
TAKES OVER ALL THE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANIES, WHICH IS I BET $10 TO A DONUT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THAT IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO EXPAND THEIR SERVICES OUT THAT WAY IF THEY NEEDED TO.
AND YOU'RE SAYING, WHY COULDN'T WE MAKE IT A PARKING LOT FOR NOW? YEAH.
OR SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN IT, OTHER DEVELOPMENTS SIMILAR, THERE'S PARKING AREAS MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, AND, BUT 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN IT, SO IF YOU GET THERE, YOU PARK THERE AND EITHER WALK OR SOMEBODY COMES AND GETS YOU AND TAKES YOU TO THE HOUSE.
SO MY QUESTION FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO? I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE BROUGHT UP WITH THE, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT.
WHAT I WILL MENTION ABOUT, UH, ABOUT AMENDING THE PROFFER, SPECIFICALLY THE, THE, THE FIRE AND EMS STATION PROFFER IS THAT IT'S TIED IN WITH A COUPLE OF THE OTHER PROFFERS.
NAMELY THERE'S A $430,000, UM, CASH PROFFER THAT'S, UH, THAT'S TIED IN WITH THIS EMS STATION THAT WAS CARRIED OVER FROM THE ORIGINAL CASE IN, UM, 20 20, 20 21.
AND THAT WAS A POINT THAT THE, UM, THAT THE, UH, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ESSENTIALLY AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WANTED CARRIED OVER FOR, UH, FOR, UH, FOR THIS CASE.
WE DID NOT, UH, WE DID NOT SEE OR HEAR OF ANY, UH, OF, OF ANY COMMENT THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY NEGATE THAT EMS AND FIRE STATION SITE.
AND JUST FOR REFERENCE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS SITE HERE.
AND, UM, THE ORIGINAL SITE WAS TO BE, UH, SOMEWHERE ON FLEMING ROAD, BUT THERE WERE, UH, UH, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS COME BACK WITH THIS LOCATION HERE, UH, CHANGING THAT INTO A PARKING LOT WOULD, UH, THE, THE, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO REVISE THE PROFFERS HEAVILY AT THAT POINT IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
SO I, SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, IF THEY GOT AN HOA AND IF SOMEONE, LIKE, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY GONNA BE HAVING PARTIES EVERY WEEK, I WOULD THINK, I MEAN, MAYBE THEY COULD ASK PERMISSION IF NECESSARY TO UTILIZE IT IF NOTHING IS BUILT ON IT, IF IT'S JUST A VACANT LOT.
WELL, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THEY'D HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU COULDN'T JUST DO THROW CRUSHER, RUN DOWN AND SAY, HEY, OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE A GRASS OUT THERE AND JUST SAY, HEY, YOU CAN PARK OUT THERE IN THE YARD.
THAT WOULD BE THE ISSUE THERE IS THAT THEY, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL TO MAKE IT A VIABLE PARKING AREA THAT'S NOT JUST A GRASS FIELD OR A PRESSURE RUN.
AND I, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
ALL I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT, I DON'T KNOW, IS
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THAT SOMETHING, IF THE APPLICANT CHANGED THE PROCESS, THAT WOULD, WOULD THAT START THE WHOLE PROCESS OVER AGAIN? OR WOULD IT JUST BE AN AMENDMENT? I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING I WOULD TREAT IT AS AN AMENDMENT RIGHT NOW.UM, AND, AND JUST TO ORIENT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AGAIN, SO THIS LAYOUT RIGHT HERE, IT, UH, REFLECTS GENERALLY THE, THE, THE NEW LAYOUT IN ITS FIRST VERSION THAT WE RECEIVED JUST SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
I'M JUST GONNA POINT OUT SOME OF THE AREAS OF PARKING THAT WERE ADDED PER THE, PER THE, UM, UH, FIRST COMMENT ABOUT PARKING.
SO WE HAD SOME, UH, PARKING ADDED HERE, SOME PARALLEL SPACES HERE, AND THEN, UM, 90 DEGREE SPACES HERE AND HERE.
THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT COMPLIED WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENT PRECISELY.
SO TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.
ONE CAN BE A GARAGE UNIT, AND OF COURSE, THEY'RE SHOWING DRIVEWAYS FOR THE OTHER PARKING SPACE.
OUR CONCERN THAT WE HAD BROUGHT, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WAS, AGAIN, WHAT IF YOU HAVE GUESTS? WHAT IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN TWO CARS? THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF, THAT ARE GONNA BE OUT OF THE, UH, OUT OF CONTROL, OUT OF THE, UH, UH, DEVELOPER'S CONTROL THAT MAY NECESSITATE ADDITIONAL PARKING WITH THIS LAYOUT.
UM, AND I DID POINT THIS OUT TO THE ENGINEERS THAT I I, THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARKING.
YOU MAY END UP, UH, UH, TRADING, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME GREEN SPACE FOR THAT.
OF COURSE, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE 30% GREEN SPACE.
BUT, UM, UH, THE, THE, THE PARKING, EVEN WITH THE ADDITIONAL, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THERE WERE.
UH, IT WAS A, A MINIMAL AMOUNT OVER THE, UH, OVER WHAT WAS REQUIRED.
SO AGAIN, 140 UNITS, 280 SPACES REQUIRED.
EACH UNIT HAS A GARAGE AND EACH UNIT HAS A, UH, HAS A DRIVEWAY.
SO THOSE ARE GONNA BE THEIR TWO PARKING SPACES.
BUT I THINK THAT THE LAYOUT, YOU KNOW, COULD, COULD REFLECT SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING.
UM, BUT UH, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR.
SOMEBODY HAS A GRADUATION PARK, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA INVITE GUESTS, THEY'RE GONNA SHOW UP, THEY'RE GONNA BE PARKING OR WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE PARKING.
WELL, THEY'LL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
I HAVE IT OFF SAME WAY AT MY HOUSE.
SO I GUESS WITH ALL THE TAR TALKING AND PARK, AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ZONING AND REEVALUATE THE NUMBER MINIMUM AND OR THE WIDTH OF THE ROADS THAT ARE REQUIRED WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES PER LOT.
SO WE WOULD DO THAT GOING FORWARD.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO ADJUST THE ORDINANCE AND THEN ACCEPTED UP.
NO, I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY JUST WENT BACK WHEN WE SAID IT THE LAST TIME, AND THEY'VE ALREADY GONE BACK AND THEY ADDED SPACES IN.
AND THEN NOW WE'RE SAYING, WELL, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH.
YOU GOTTA GO AND CHANGE SOMETHING ELSE.
I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THEM.
UH, IF THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE IF, AND IF THAT'S HOW WE FELT INITIALLY, THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE SAID.
AND THEN THEY COULD HAVE DID THE DRAWING TO REFLECT, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SAY, HEY, CAN YOU ADD 20 SPACES? CAN YOU ADD 10 SPACES? WE WEREN'T SPECIFIC.
IF WE SAY, CAN YOU ADD 30 MORE SPACES FOR GUESTS THAT MAY COME IN, THEN THEY MIGHT COULD HAVE CONFIGURED IT IN THAT DIAGRAM SOME TYPE OF WAY OR THAT LAY I, BUT WE JUST SAID, UH, MORE PARKING AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WAS IN EACH SECTION THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE ADDED 10 OR 12 EXTRA PARKING SPACE.
'CAUSE WE WEREN'T SPECIFIC ON WHETHER WE WANTED 2030 OR WHAT WE WANTED THEM TO ADD.
SO, AND THERE, THERE WAS, THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT ACCOUNTS FOR AN ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, IN, IN SOME ORDINANCES YOU WOULD SEE TWO AND A HALF PARKING SPACES FOR EVERY, UH, UH, FOR, FOR EVERY UNIT.
AND THAT HALF PARKING SPACE, WHEN YOU ACCUMULATE THAT OVER HOWEVER MANY RIGHT UNITS IS, IS YOUR EXTRA.
BUT THE ORDINANCE IS SPECIFIC ABOUT THE TWO PER, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS PROVIDED ORIGINALLY.
AND AS YOU HAD MENTIONED, THEY DID ACCOMMODATE WITH SOME, WITH SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES.
WELL, AND THE OTHER THING, MR. GALE, WITH THE FIRE COMPANY, I HATE TO REFERENCE NORTHAMPTON COUNTY, BUT I'M GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN A SITUATION DOWN THERE NOW WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE FIRE EQUIPMENT FOR THE STUFF THAT THEY'RE BUILDING THAT THEY STARTED 25 YEARS AGO.
SO IF, IF WE WERE TO SAY, I'M AFRAID THAT YOU COULDN'T SAY, WELL, IT'S GONNA BE A PARKING LOT NOW, AND IF IN THE FUTURE WE WANNA MAKE IT A FIREHOUSE, THAT THAT'S THE PART THAT WOULD CONCERN ME IS THAT 25 YEARS FROM NOW, THEY NEED, THEY MAY NEED THAT FIREHOUSE LIKE THEY DO IN NORTHAMPTON COUNTY.
THEY, THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE IN A WORLD OF HURT DOWN THERE FOR
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FIRE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE OF BAY CREEK AND, AND ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING DOWN THERE.AND I WOULDN'T WANT NORTH, YOU KNOW, THE NORTH END OF ACK COUNTIES.
GROWING PRETTY RAPIDLY AND 25 YEARS FROM NOW, WE MAY NEED A FIRE COMPANY.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUILD IT ANYTIME NEXT WEEK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? BUT THERE'S NO ON STREET PARKING, RIGHT? THERE'S THERE, UH, THERE, THERE IS.
AND, AND, AND THEY ADDED SOME ON STREET PARKING WITH THOSE AREAS THAT I SHOWED YOU.
SO YOU HAVE SOME 90 DEGREE SPACES AND YOU HAVE SOME PARALLEL SPACES, BUT 90 DEGREE SPACES ARE LOCATED HERE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL 90 DEGREE SPACES HERE AND HERE.
AND THEN THESE PARALLEL SPACES SIMULATE ON STREET PARKING.
SO THEY'RE STILL WITHIN THE, THEY'RE STILL WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, OR RATHER THERE'S STILL, UH, PARALLEL SPACES THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE STREET.
SO, SO THEY'VE ALREADY GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AND SOME HOAS WOULD THEY ALSO HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON SOMEBODY WHO BUYS A BOAT AND HAS A TRAILER? SO YOU GO AND PARK IT IN ONE OF THOSE SPACES, THEY'RE GONNA FIGURE THAT OUT.
AS PART OF THIS, UH, AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS, IF THIS SHOULD ADVANCE PAST THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND REZONING, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME IN FOR A SUBDIVISION, UH, FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT AS WELL AS FINAL PLATS FOR THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
AT THAT TIME, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THE HOA DOCUMENTS TO THE COUNTY FOR REVIEW.
AND THAT MAY BE A, THAT MAY BE A REVIEW COMMENT AT THAT TIME.
LIKE MOTOR HOMES IS THE OTHER THING.
PEOPLE THAT BUY MOTOR HOMES, THEY BUY CAMPERS, YOU KNOW,
WELL, SO DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING TODAY FOR THIS? YEAH, WE NEED TO DO, UM, UH, TIM HEARN, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR, UH, FOR HIM.
UM, THIS IS THE, THIS REPRESENTS THE LATEST ACTIVITY.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN ARE WE REQUIRED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT? WE SHOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS VERY SOON.
SO DO YOU NEED A MOTION FOR THAT TODAY OR DO YOU WANNA WAIT UNTIL NEXT MONTH? LET'S, I RECOMMEND THAT YOU HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING IN AUGUST.
UM, WE'RE MISSING, UH, THE SEWER PART.
YOU'RE MISSING THE SEWER PART.
SO WE'LL REVIEW IT AGAIN IN AUGUST AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT A PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
HE DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO COME UP TO TALK ABOUT THE CIVIL PART.
BUT IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE SEWER AND WATER.
IT'S JUST A REQUIREMENT FOR A, YOU KNOW, OSHER USE PERMIT TO HAVE A SUBDIVISION.
I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS NO, IT'S, IT IS.
UM, SO FOR WATER AND SEWER, UM, THIS BOARD AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED CAPACITY AND RECEIVED CAPACITY OUTLINES IN THE 2022 HEARING PROCESS IN THE 2024 HEARING PROCESS.
UM, AND I KNOW, UM, A PUBLICLY TRADED UTILITY COMPANY IS UNIQUE IN AKIMA COUNTY, AND SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING EVERYBODY HAS SEEN BEFORE.
UM, SO, UH, AQUA VIRGINIA OPERATES THE UTILITY COMPANY.
IT'S NOT PART OF AN HOA, IT'S NOT PART OF THE MUNICIPALITY OR ANYTHING ELSE.
AND AQUA VIRGINIA IS MERGING RIGHT NOW WITH, UH, AMERICAN WATER COMPANY AND IT'S A $63 BILLION MERGER.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A POWERHOUSE OF A UTILITY OPERATOR IN THE COUNTY.
UM, I USED TO OWN THE UTILITY COMPANY UP UNTIL 2015 AND, UM, I SOLD THE COMPANY TO AQUA VIRGINIA IN 20 15, 20 16.
AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION.
THERE'S A TARIFF THAT THE UTILITY COMPANY HAS, JUST LIKE ANEC, A NEC HAS A TARIFF.
AND THE REASON THEY HAVE A TARIFF IS 'CAUSE THEY OWN A MONOPOLY.
THERE'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE ANOTHER UTILITY OPERATOR IN NORTHERN AFTERMATH COUNTY.
THE TARIFF SAYS ONLY OPERA VIRGINIA HAS THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY TO YOU ALL OR TO ME OR ANY OTHER PROPERTY OWNER IN THAT AREA.
STATE CORPORATION TELLS THEM THEY MUST SUPPLY JUST LIKE A NEC MUST SUPPLY
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POWER TO SOMEBODY WHO REQUESTS IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ANOTHER OPTION OUT THERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.SO YOU ALL COVERED THIS IN 2021, IN THAT HEARING PROCESS, THE APPROVAL IN 22 AND 24, THERE'S ONLY BEEN ABOUT A HANDFUL.
AND I MEAN 10, FIVE TO 10 SEWER HOOKUPS SINCE 2024.
THERE'S BEEN ABOUT A HUNDRED HOMES BUILT, UH, THAT HAVE HAD WATER ADDED TO IT FROM 2022 TO TODAY.
SO, UM, WHEN AQUA BOUGHT THE COMPANY FROM ME, THEY BOUGHT AN EXTRA 10 ACRE PARCEL INSIDE OF CAPTAIN'S CODE SO THAT THEY COULD HANDLE CAPACITY GROWTH IF THEY NEEDED TO DO ANOTHER WATER TOWER, IF THEY NEEDED TO DO MORE RAPID INFILTRATION BASES, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO THIS 140 IS A BIT OF A SPEC IN TERMS OF THAT SITUATION.
UM, THEIR PAPERWORK IS IN YOUR FILES.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE ANYTHING HAS CHANGED IN TERMS OF NOTHING EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THEY WENT FROM BEING A $9 BILLION COMPANY TO NOW BEING PART OF A 63 BILLION COMPANY.
THE OTHER PIECE THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM 2015 WAS BACK THEN THE RATE PAYERS AT THAT TIME WERE ONLY INSIDE OF GREEN BACKFIELD.
UM, THEY WEREN'T ANYWHERE ELSE.
THEY, AQUA VIRGINIA BOUGHT THAT COMPANY.
THEY ROLLED IT INTO THE REST OF THEIR 11 COMPANIES IN VIRGINIA.
SO THEIR RATE BASE IS NOW ALL OF THEIR BUSINESSES IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
SO IF THEY SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS, UM, I'LL SAY IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN IN MACK COUNTY, THE RATE BASIS ACROSS THE ENTIRE STATE OF VIRGINIA, NOT JUST THE CONSUMERS IN ACK COUNTY.
UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
BACK THEN, ANYTIME ANYTHING GOT INVESTED IN AKIMA COUNTY, THOSE RATE PAYERS FELT IT BECAUSE THE DENOMINATOR WAS SO SMALL, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, 350 SEWER USERS AND UH, A THOUSAND WATER USERS.
NOW IT'S THOUSANDS OF EACH OF THOSE THINGS.
AND SO THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION CONVERTED THEM FROM A CLASS C UTILITY COMPANY TO A CLASS A UTILITY COMPANY.
ONCE THEY WENT OVER ALL THOSE THRESHOLDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, ASKING US FOR MORE CAPACITY INFORMATION, SURE, THAT'S AVAILABLE.
IT'S ALL THROUGH THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION.
UH, BUT THAT'S LIKE ASKING ME, DOES ANNA, CAN ANN PROVIDE CAPACITY OR CAN THE ROADS PROVIDE CAPACITY? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A VDOT CONVERSATION.
IT'S AN A NEC CONVERSATION AND IT'S AN AQUA VIRGINIA CONVERSATION OR WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA BE CALLED AFTER THIS MERGER FINISHES THIS SUMMER.
UM, SO WE HAVE NO CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
I UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S A QUESTION, BUT, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S UNIQUE, RIGHT? EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ELSE, IT'S EITHER A MUNICIPAL UTILITY COMPANY SUCH AS DOWN IN AN
UH, WITH THAT, THIS IS A, A UNIQUE SITUATION, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO COME IN AND SAY TO SOMEBODY, WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY FOR YOU BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE JEOPARDIZING THEIR TARIFF IN TERMS OF THEIR TARIFF IS THEY MUST SUPPLY WHEN REQUESTED.
SO DO YOU HAVE THAT PIECE OF PAPER? UM, I SENT COPIES TO THE, THE, THE 20 22, 20 24 DOCUMENTS TO THE, TO THE STAFF.
BUT AGAIN, IT WAS IN ALL THOSE PRIOR SITUATIONS WITH REGARD TO WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE 50 OFF OFF STREET PARKING SPACES BETWEEN THE SPACES UP NEAR THE LOT IN THE POOL, AS WELL AS THOSE OTHER SPACES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW OF MANY TOWN HOME COMMUNITIES THAT ALLOW BOATS, RVS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
I THINK THAT'S HOW THE SELF-STORAGE PEOPLE STAY HEALTHY, UM, BY PEOPLE STORING THOSE THINGS THERE.
AND I WOULD ANTICIPATE THIS IS THE SAME WAY.
AND, UH, ON SHAT ROAD THERE ARE A VARIETY OF, UM, THOSE FACILITIES THAT HAVE THOSE TYPES OF, UM, ISSUES.
SO SO YOU WERE SAYING YOU'VE ALREADY SUPPLIED 50 EXTRA PARKING AND SPACES IN ADDITION TO THE TWO TWO, YES MA'AM.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK IN THE FUTURE, THAT TWO MAY NOT BE ENOUGH AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE WIDTH OF THE PRIVATE ROAD AND THAT TYPE OF THING, WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS GONNA OPERATE SMOOTHLY IF SOMEBODY HAS THE GRADUATION PARTY.
IN TERMS OF GREEN BACKFIELD, VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH THE LAND AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SEVEN BOARD MEMBERS WHEN I MET.
'CAUSE THIS GROUP ASKED ME TO GO BACK AND SAY, DO THEY WANT IT
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SO, UH, I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GIFTED OR THEY, THEY RECEIVED A CHARITABLE DONATION OF SOME LAND AT THE END OF, UM, GREENBACK PHIL FROM, UM, UH, WHERE THE, UH, CRUSTY CRAB RESTAURANT USED TO BE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEY HAVE THAT ON THE MARKET FOR SALE NOW.
AND I GUESS THEY HAVE, THEY CONTROL THEIR OWN BALANCE SHEET IF THEY RECEIVE 500 OR $700,000 FOR THAT.
AND I THINK THEY SEE THIS AS, UM, KIND OF A HEDGE.
UM, SOME OF THOSE FOLKS FELT LIKE THE LONG, LONG-TERM VISION FOR THE COUNTY IS ALL THE STATIONS NEED TO BE ALONG 13.
UM, AND THEY ARE CONCERNED THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
OBVIOUSLY CAPTAIN'S COVE IS 10 MILES FROM 13.
RIGHT? SO, UM, THEY FEEL LIKE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THERE.
SO I THINK THEY SEE THIS AS HEDGING THEIR BETS.
THEY TALKED ABOUT PUTTING SIGNAGE UP ON THERE RIGHT AWAY, UM, WHETHER THEY USE IT FOR AN OFFSITE FACILITY.
WE TALKED ABOUT TRAINING, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, PERRY OUTTEN IS THE, THE CHAIR THERE, SO HE'S PROBABLY THE BEST RESOURCE FOR FOLKS TO TALK TO, UM, ABOUT WHY THEY WANTED TO SAY YES AND WHY THEY ASKED THAT IT BE NOT JUST FOR EMS, BUT ALSO HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR EMS TO FIRE.
I THINK THEY SAID THEIR CURRENT SITE IS ONLY 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF LAND, AND SO THIS IS 90,000 OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND FEET OF LAND.
THEY, THEY DID STRUGGLE WITH THE CONCEPT BECAUSE OF HOW THE COUNTY IS STAFFING THEIR STATION OF SEPARATING EMS IN ONE PLACE GEOGRAPHICALLY, AND THE STATION BEING IN A DIFFERENT PLACE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY ASKED FOR IT TO BE COMBINED.
UM, BUT BARRY'S THE BEST RESOURCE FOR THAT.
UM, WHO DEVELOPS AN HOA? SO, UH, THE LAND DEVELOPER BASICALLY CREATES THE HOA MM-HMM
UM, USUALLY THE HOME BUILDER HAS A SAY IN THE DOCUMENTS BEFORE THEY'RE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY, UM, FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND I GUESS IT'S THE LAW DEPARTMENT OF THE COUNTY THAT REVIEWS IT ON THE COUNTY'S PART.
UM, AND GOING FORWARD, THE HOA CAN AMEND THEIR OWN DOCUMENTS.
USUALLY THERE'S A 75 OR 80% THRESHOLD FOR MOST THINGS, THINK OF IT AS I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, 25 YEARS FROM NOW, IF IT'S BUILT OUT AND THEY WANNA MAKE CHANGES, THEY CAN DO IT.
WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SUGGEST IS THERE'S RULES AND THERE'S DECLARATIONS AND THERE'S ARTICLES FROM CORPORATIONS.
ANY BOARD USUALLY CAN CHANGE THE RULES WHEN THEY NEED TO.
DECLARATIONS NEED A LOT OF, UM, OWNER INPUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHERE THE 75% THRESHOLD IS, AND THEY CAN TRIGGER THAT ANY TIME.
YEAH, BUT SO THEY CAN CHANGE IT.
WHAT'S THAT? THEY CAN CHANGE IT.
AND THEY SHOULD, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU END UP WITH A, YOU KNOW, USUALLY WITH THIS TYPE OF PROJECT, YOU WOULDN'T PUT THE WHOLE 25 ACRES INTO THE HOA DAY ONE.
YOU'D DO IT IN PHASES, UM, IN, IN THE EVENT YOU DIDN'T WANT ANOTHER CAPTAIN'S CODE SITUATION WHERE THEY'VE RECORDED 4,800 LOTS IN THE 1970S AND THERE'S STILL ONLY 1400 HOMES BUILT.
SO, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR ABOUT HOAS AND THE BIG FIGHT IS USUALLY OVER AMERICAN FLAGS.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO FIGHT ABOUT THAT.
THEY'RE ALLOWED ABOUT FIGHT, FIGHT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER FLAGS, BUT THEY CAN'T FIGHT ABOUT AMERICAN FIGHTS.
THAT USED TO BE THE BIG FIGHT.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF WHEN HE'S SURE.
UM, TO CHAIRMAN'S POINT, IS THE PACKET COMPLETE AND IS IT IN SUCH A MANNER THAT WE CAN RECOMMEND A PUBLIC HEARING FOR NEXT MONTH? OR DO WE HAVE TO WAIT? THE COMMISSION REQUESTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON, ON UTILITIES.
YOU HAD JUST HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT HIS EXPLANATION OF THE UTILITY SITUATION.
AND IS THAT IN THE PACKET? I MEAN, IT, THAT INFORMATION THAT'S NOT IN THE, THAT IS NOT IN THE PACKET THAT WAS PROVIDED.
WE JUST RECEIVED THAT EARLIER THIS WEEK.
SO, BUT THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF AN ORIGINAL APPLICATION.
NO, WE'VE BEEN CONSIDERING THIS APPLICATION FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT WATER AND SEWAGE AT THIS TIME? NOT SPECIFICALLY, NO.
SO WE HAVE TO WAIT AND TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT MONTH AND THEN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IN SEPTEMBER.
IS THAT WHERE WE'RE AT? IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT HAD PROVIDED EARLIER THIS WEEK, THEN WE CAN, THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT APPROACH.
SO THEN MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT WHETHER IT'S IN THE PACKET OR NOT IN THE PACKET, THE WATER AND SEWER BY LAW HAS TO BE PROVIDED.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NECESSARILY
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NEED TO MAKE SURE IS THERE, OR IS IT COMPARE AND CONTRAST THAT TO, UH, THE, THE DUNCAN MANOR WHERE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO SEE WATER FROM THE TOWN AND WE NEED TO SEE SEWAGE OPERATIONS.THIS IS, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWAGE NO MATTER WHAT.
BY LAW THIS IS A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
SO WHETHER IT'S IN THE PACKET OR NOT IN THE PACKET, CAN WE HAVE A, MY QUESTION IS, CAN WE, CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A PUBLIC HEARING IN AUGUST AND GET THIS THING GOING? I THINK THAT GIVEN THE, GIVEN THE MULTIPLE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE ABOUT, ABOUT THE UTILITIES, UM, AND WE STILL HAVE TO PRESENT THE PROFFER TO YOU.
SO WE WILL DO THAT NEXT MONTH AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT A PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES, SIR.
WE WILL PRESENT ALL OF THE FINAL INFORMATION TO YOU NEXT MONTH WITH REGARDS TO, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE UTILITIES AND THE PROFFER.
AND THEN I WILL RECOMMEND IN AUGUST THAT YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IN SEPTEMBER.
I WOULD LIKE AN UPDATED SEWER, UM, LIKE PAPER BECAUSE THE CAPTAIN'S CAVE SEWER FACILITY HAS BEEN DYING FOR YEARS.
SO AN UP, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS FROM NOW WAS TWO YEARS AGO.
DO THEY NOT HAVE A NEW AND RECENT LIKE WE WILL SERVE YOU? I THINK WHAT HE WAS SAYING THOUGH WAS IS IT IS A REGULATED UTILITY BY THE STATE.
BUT THEY'RE REGULATED JUST LIKE A POWER UTILITY AND THEY HAVE TO BE THERE.
WELL, IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT, THEY DON'T HAVE IT.
I, I WILL REITERATE THAT TO THE APPLICANT WHO IS ALSO HERE TONIGHT.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAD, WE'D ASKED TWO MONTHS AGO, WE'D ASKED FOR THAT, UH, ASK FOR THAT LETTER.
SO IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR A WILL SERVE LETTER, THEN RECENT, A RECENT WILL SERVE LETTER THAT'S, THAT'S SPECIFIC ENOUGH TO PASS ON TO THE, UH, TO THE APPLICANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE, I'M SORRY.
SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING IN THE PACKAGE THAT REFLECTS HOW THE WATER, HOW THAT UTILITY WILL BE.
I AM PASSING ON THAT REQUEST TO THE APPLICANT.
A WILL SERVE LETTER, RIGHT? A WILL SERVE LETTER.
IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, THAT'S WHAT I WILL PASS ON TO THE APPLICANT AS A REQUEST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO STAFF REPORT.
UH, NOT TOO MUCH TO, UH, TO REPORT FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, FROM A SUBDIVISION AGENT STANDPOINT, THERE ARE NO MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS AS I, AS I, UH, UH, UH, REPORT ON, UH, IN, UH, IN MOST MONTHS, THE STAFF CONTINUES TO REVIEW SMALLER MINOR SUBDIVISIONS OF ONE TO 1, 2, 3 LOTS, THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, BUT, UH, NOTHING IN TERMS THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS REVIEW FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT FROM A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR STANDPOINT.
UH, LAST WEEK THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS HELD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR A, ONE FOR A VARIANCE AND ONE FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THE VARIANCE WAS A FRONT YARD SETBACK, AND THERE ARE SOME, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL AND RPA CONSIDERATIONS THERE.
SO THE, UH, SO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS GRANTED THAT WITH CONDITIONS, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WAS FOR A POLE BUILDING ON A PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A PRIMARY STRUCTURE, AND THAT WAS LIKEWISE GRANTED WITH CONDITIONS.
NEXT MONTH, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS WILL HAVE FIVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, THREE SPECIAL USE PERMITS AND TWO VARIANCES AS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE CHART, UH, HERE ON THE SCREEN AND IN YOUR STAFF REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED LAST WEEK, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORT.
UH, JUST A COUPLE OF BRIEF THINGS.
SO FOR NEXT MONTH, UH, AUGUST IS ALREADY HERE OR IS IS ALL, UH, JULY IS HERE, AND AUGUST IS NEXT MONTH.
UH, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU'LL BE HAVING YOUR FIRST OF FOUR JOINT PUB, UH, JOINT, UM, WORK SESSIONS WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, THAT WILL BE ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 25TH AT FIVE 30 AT THE LIBRARY IN PARKLEY.
IF YOU RECALL, IT'S GONNA BE BASICALLY THE SAME FORMAT OF AS THE, UH, UH, JOINT SESSION IN MARCH.
WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE, WHAT THE BERKELEY GROUP IS WORKING ON NOW IS WRITING THE FIRST FEW CHAPTERS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THEY, UH, THE STAFF, UH, SHANTE AND I WILL HAVE A, UM, A VIRTUAL CALL WITH THEM ON MONDAY TO SEE WHERE, UH, I'M SORRY, MONDAY THE 20TH, TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE IN TERMS OF THE, UH, PLAN WRITING.
WE'RE GONNA REVIEW THEIR WORK.
AND, UM, AND THEN PRIOR TO THAT, UH, AUGUST 25TH, UM, UH, SESSION, WE'LL BE FORWARDING SOME OF THAT TO YOU.
AND WE WILL REVIEW THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU AND THE BOARD, UH, AT THE END OF AUGUST.
SO SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO
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IN, UH, IN AUGUST.UM, THE ONLY OTHER ITEM THAT I'VE GOT IS WITH REGARDS TO RECRUITING.
UH, I AM SCHEDULED TO HAVE SECOND INTERVIEWS WITH TWO CANDIDATES.
IT SAID LATER THIS MONTH THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE, UM, UH, THIS WEEK.
SO ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER RECRUITING IS MOVING FORWARD.
THAT CONCLUDES MY STAFF REPORT, AND I CAN FIELD ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
HOW ARE YOU COMING ALONG WITH THE BUILDING? SO THE, THE BUILDING WE'VE HAD TO, UH, THE, UM, THE HVAC CAME IN WAY OVER BUDGET.
THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS A PLAN FOR, FOR, UM, UH, REALLOCATING FUNDING AND SHIFTING SOME MONEY AROUND TO COVER THAT SHORTFALL.
UM, BUT, UH, UH, I'M NOT AN, I'M NOT ANTICIPATING ANY MAJOR WORK TO HAPPEN FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO OUR TIMELINE IS, UH, IS, IS A FEW MONTHS OFF AT THIS POINT.
UH, BEFORE THAT WE DID HAVE A $125,000, UH, SURPRISE IN TERMS OF THE, UH, IN TERMS OF THE SEPTIC AND DRAIN FIELD.
SO, UH, WE'RE FINDING SOME THINGS OUT ABOUT, UH, BOTH THE, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, UM, THE, THE SEPTIC AND DRAIN FIELD AS WELL AS THE HVAC THAT IS INCREASING THE COST OF THE PROJECT, BUT THE ADMINISTRATION IS COMMITTED TO THE PROJECT AS EVIDENCED BY ITS, UM, SHIFTING FUNDING AROUND TO KEEP IT MOVING FORWARD.
DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATE ON THE MACK UM, SEWER ALLOCATION? WHAT MACK'S ALLOCATED, WHO THEY'RE ALLOCATING IT TO, HOW MUCH THEY'RE SAVING? YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I ASKED, WE, UH, WE FORWARDED OUR SPREADSHEET TO HRSD AND THEY HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ABOUT THAT, WHICH WE ARE REVIEWING NOW.
THAT WAS LAST WEEK AS A MATTER OF FACT.
IT WASN'T THAT, UH, THEY GOT ABOUT HALF OF WHAT THEY WANTED AS FAR AS SEWER CAPACITY.
WELL, WE'RE GETTING INTO THE DUNCAN MANNER REQUEST WHERE, UH, UH, AND REALLY THE, UM, THE, THE COASTAL SPRING RESIDENCES, WE WERE LOOKING TOWARDS A WILL SERVE LETTER BECAUSE THAT IS OUR ALLOCATION THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING TO THE, TO THE, UH, UH, TO THE APPLICANT.
AND OUR PLAN AT THAT TIME, WHICH IS STILL OUR PLAN MOVING FORWARD, IS TO PROVIDE A REDUCED AMOUNT OF ALLOCATION, WHICH WOULD GET THE, UH, WHICH WOULD GET THE UH, UM, UH, THE DEVELOPER STARTED FOR BOTH COASTAL SQUARE AND DUNCAN MANOR.
BUT TO THE CHAIR WOMAN'S POINT, THAT REQUEST FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR INFORMATION FROM HRSD AND FOR, UH, UH, FOR A COMMENT ON OUR PROPOSED ALLOCATIONS.
WE RECEIVED THAT LAST WEEK, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, THE OTHER DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, AND I, UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TOGETHER BECAUSE OF VACATIONS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT, UH, WE ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, UM, TO, TO START TALKING ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
MAAM, ANY MOVEMENT ON THE
AND, UM, WE HAVE NOT MOVED THAT FORWARD.
BUT CHANTE AND I WILL, WILL LOOK AT THAT.
WHAT IS GONNA BE REQUIRED AT SOME POINT IS AN INITIATING RESOLUTION FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
BUT, UM, UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO TALK WITH THE STAFF ABOUT IS HOW TO KEEP SOME HEAT ON THAT AND, UH, AND HOW TO, UH, AND UH, HOW TO PRESENT THAT TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT INITIATING RESOLUTION.
BUT AS OF, UH, UH, UM, FROM LAST MONTH UNTIL NOW, UH, WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY SIGNIFICANT, UM, UH, MOVEMENT ON THAT.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS AUGUST 12TH, AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS, WE CAN MOTION TO ADJOURN.