* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. AND SO WE ASK [00:00:01] THAT YOU WOULD WRITE DOWN WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO SAY, [Board of Zoning Appeals on September 2, 2026. ] MAKE IT AS CONCISE AS POSSIBLE. IF YOU'VE ALREADY SENT IN A LETTER, UH, I WOULD SUGGEST IF YOU HAVE NEW INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD ADD THAT RATHER THAN KEEP REPEATING. BUT, UH, THAT WILL BE YOUR TIME TO SPEAK. AND SO AS WE PREPARE TO DO OUR CASES FOR TODAY, WE'RE GONNA ASK IF SENDIN WILL COME UP AND START US ONTO THAT. WAS THERE A SIGNUP SHEET TO SPEAK? YES. I DIDN'T SEE THAT. WHERE'S THAT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT CASE YOU NEED TO SIGN UP FOR? UH, IT'S THE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON. YES, I KNOW WHICH ONE THAT IS. THANKS SIR. APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, MY NAME IS CINDY JONES. I'M A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR ZONING. WE HAVE SEVERAL CASES, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA GET GOING. AND THE FIRST UP IS, UH, MS. STEVENS. THIS IS VARIANCE 0 0 0 1 2 8 20 26. THIS IS MULTIPLE VARIANCES TO, UH, SPLIT A LOT. UM, THIS IS SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND BEFORE WE KEEP GOING, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS DEFERRING THE CASE TO THE OCTOBER BCA MEETING TO ALLOW FOR MORE VARIANCES TO BE INCLUDED WITH THE APPLICATION. UM, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS, BUT IF YOU GUYS JUST WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DEFER THIS CASE OR IF YOU GUYS WANT TO HEAR IT, THAT'S UP TO YOU. ARE, ARE THE, UH, APPLICANTS HERE? YES. UH, WOULD, WOULD YOU MIND COMING FORWARD AND GIVING YOUR NAME AND JUST A QUESTION FOR YOU BEFORE WE MOVE ON? MY NAME IS, UH, MICHAEL T. STEVENS. OKAY. UH, MIKE, I'M THE HUSBAND OF ROXANNE STEVENS. WHICH MIKE, WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? OH, OKAY. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? YES, I DO. OKAY. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, YOU'LL GET AN OPPORTUNITY ARE, ARE YOU IN CONCURRENCE WITH US DEFERRING THIS OR WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO HEAR IT? UH, STAFF HAS ALREADY ASKED THAT WE DEFER IT. UH, IF, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH US DEFERRING IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, WE CAN MOVE ON WITH THAT. IF NOT, WE WILL. UH, OKAY. UM, MAYBE A SLIGHT STIPULATION. WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS, TWO DIFFERENT RESIDENCES. WE'RE TRYING TO GET SUBDIVIDED, I SUPPOSE 82, 89 ATLANTIC ROAD AND 82 63. IF, IF THEY'RE BOTH GOING TO BE DONE ON THE NEXT MEETING, THEN I DON'T MIND IT BEING DEFERRED. SO WE CAN DO BOTH AT ONE TIME. UM, I AM NOT, I AM ONLY AWARE OF 82, 63. I DON'T, I AM NOT AWARE OF AN OF THE OTHER CASE. AND THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA. THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA. SO THAT MAY BE COMING UP NEXT MONTH AS WELL. DO, DO YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE, DO YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE, UM, UM, DO YOU KNOW IF YOUR SURVEYOR SUBMITTED THE OTHER ONE? WELL, AND I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM IN A WHILE. I, I ASSUME THAT I, I ASSUME THAT WE WERE DOING BOTH TODAY. I WOULD, I WOULD TALK TO YOUR SURVEYOR, UHHUH AND MAKE SURE THAT HE'S GIVING ME ALL THE INFORMATION. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE THAT SECOND ONE. MM-HMM . I HAVE THE ONE THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE ROYAL FARMS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S BEING HEARD. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE THE OTHER ONE. OKAY. I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A FULL HOUSE HERE TODAY. UH, WOULD IT TAKE LONG TO, TO BEAR THIS OUT ON THIS ONE? SO, SO THE REASON THAT WE'RE DEFERRING IS BECAUSE THERE'S AN EXTRA VARIANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT ON. SO WHATEVER APPROVAL HE GETS WILL NOT GET HIM ANY CLOSER TO THE, TO THE ANSWER. WE HAVE TO RE ADVERTISE SO THAT ALL THE VARIANCES ARE ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY. SO IT'D BE, YOU KNOW, THAT CLEARS IT UP THERE. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU BRO. VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO DEFER, MOVE, MOVE TO DEFER. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AND THAT WILL BE DEFERRED UNTIL NEXT MONTH. THAT HOPEFULLY ALL OF THAT WILL BE BROUGHT TO US OCTOBER. OCTOBER 7TH. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. NEXT CASE. THIS IS, UH, MR. UH, THAINE. UH, THIS IS SUSE 1 19 20 26, AND HE'S TRYING TO DO A COMMUNITY GARDEN IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. UM, THIS IS SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION. UH, THIS IS WALTER STREET IN QUIMBEE ON RESIDENTIAL. UM, AND BEFORE WE KEEP GOING, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS [00:05:01] DEFERRING THIS CASE TO THE OCTOBER BCA HEARING. THE APPLICANT HAS INFORMED THE STAFF AHEAD OF TIME. HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS MEETING. SO IF YOU WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING FROM HIM, HE, HE COULDN'T MAKE THIS MEETING. I MOVE THAT WE DEFER THIS APPLICATION UNTIL THE OCTOBER, 2026 MEETING. DO, EXCUSE ME. HI. I DROVE HERE FOR THIS MEETING FROM MARILYN. 'CAUSE WE RECEIVED, UM, REGISTERED LETTERS REGARDING THIS, ANOTHER NEXT DOOR TO WHERE THIS GARDEN IS SUPPOSED TO BE. AND WE'RE, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THIS BECAUSE IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND WE DID NOT KNOW IT WAS NOT CHANGED. IT WAS CHANGED TO A DIFFERENT DATE. DO YOU, IS THAT FOR THIS? YES, I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO WHERE HE WANTS TO HAVE THIS GARDEN. AND WE'VE SENT EMAILS THAT WERE OPPOSED TO THIS. YEAH. AND THOSE, THOSE EMAILS WERE PART OF THE, UM, WERE PART OF THE ATTACHMENTS. RIGHT. UM, DID YOU, SO, I MEAN, SO IT TOOK ME AN HOUR AND A HALF TO GET HERE. DID YOU, SI YOU, YOU DIDN'T GET HERE EARLY ENOUGH TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK? NO, I COULDN'T FIND PARKING. OKAY. DROVE AROUND. SO THIS, THIS WAS, THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE SO, SO THE WAY IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE? YES. I WITHDRAW MY MOTION. OKAY. UNTIL SAY, WE COULD POSSIBLY OPEN THE HEARING, HEAR, HEAR FROM HER SINCE SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK DOWN AND THEN CONTINUE THE MATTER UNTIL THE NEXT YEAH. MEETING DATE SO SHE WOULD NOT HAVE TO TRAVEL BACK DOWN. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. WOULD YOU STEP FORWARD UP HERE? NO, RIGHT TO HERE. OKAY. OKAY. WOULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME? LUCY MOORE. MOHR. DO YOU SWEAR, UH, TELL THE TRUTH, WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE? YES, I DO. OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE WITH US? WELL, I'VE HAD MY HOME THERE FOR 25 YEARS, AND I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO WHERE HE'S PROPOSING A GARDEN. OKAY. AND IT'S A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN QUIMBEE. AND THERE WOULD BE NO PARKING IF HE'S LEASING A GARDEN BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING FOR PEOPLE TO PARK ON THE STREET. SO I FEEL PEOPLE WILL BE PARKING IN MY YARD OR WALKING ACROSS MY YARD. UM, AND IF IT'S A GARDEN, WE ALL HAVE WELLS. SO I THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE USING FERTILIZER AND CHEMICALS AND THAT COULD LEACH TO THE WELLS. AND THEN I THINK WOULD SET A PRECEDENT THAT PEOPLE WOULD FEEL THEY COULD START BUSINESSES IN THEIR FRONT YARD. I MEAN, WHAT IF THE MAN WHO LIVES NEXT TO ME WHO IS A, A COMMERCIAL FISHERMAN, DECIDES TO START SELLING SEAFOOD IN HIS FRONT YARD? YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A MULTITUDE OF PROBLEMS THAT COULD ARISE IF YOU CHANGE THE ZONING. AND WE DID SEND, SEVERAL OF US SENT EMAILS. YES. WE, WE GOT ALL THE EMAILS. OKAY. DOES ANYONE, ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HER? OKAY. I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. WATSON. OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU MA'AM. OKAY. WHEN, WHEN WERE WE NOTIFIED THAT MR. KLI COULD NOT ATTEND? UM, I WOULD SAY TWO DAYS AGO. TWO DAYS AGO? OKAY. SO HE DID GIVE TWO DAYS, NOT, NOT JUST THIS MORNING. RIGHT. ALRIGHT, THE NEXT QUESTION IS, IS ARE, ARE WE OBLIGATED OR NOT TO HEAR THE CASE? IT IT'S COMPLETELY AT YOUR DISCRETION. COMPLETELY OUR DISCRETION, YES. MM-HMM . OKAY. UH, MY OPINION IS THAT, THAT WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND HANDLE THIS. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THIS BEFORE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE NOT SHOWED UP, THE ME MEETING'S BEEN SCHEDULED, AND YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE, IF, IF WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED IN ANY WAY, AND, UH, I DARE SAY THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE HERE ARE FOR THIS CASE, IF WE WANT TO DO A POLL, CAN WE DO THAT? CERTAINLY. IS THAT APPROPRIATE? OKAY. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE FOR THIS CASE? I THINK IT'S JUST MY LADY. JUST YOU? YEAH. OKAY. I GUESS I KNOW A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE FOR THE LAST CASE AND THEN EMAILS THAT WERE SENT. YEAH. COULD I ASK HIM, MR. WATSON, WAS IT A MEDICAL EMERGENCY? UM, MR. JONES SPOKE WITH HIM. YEAH. UM, I, I KNOW MR. I COULD, I THINK I OVERHEARD THE CONVERSATION OF WHERE HE SAID IT, IT, IT WAS AT YOUR DISCRETION. HE DID NOT SAY IT WAS GOING TO BE DEFERRED, JUST THAT WE WOULD PASS ON HIS REQUEST, BUT I WOULD, I I DID NOT SPEAK TO HIM, SO I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT HE SAID. MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, HE'S A, HE'S A TEACHER AND REQUESTED AND REQUESTED THE DAY OFF AND WAS DENIED. ALRIGHT, WELL IF HE [00:10:01] MADE EFFORT, THEN WE NEED TO POSTPONE. SO, GRACIE, DO YOU WANNA PUT YOUR MOTION BACK ON THE FLOOR? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DEFER THIS APPLICATION UNTIL THE OCTOBER, 2026 MEETING. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, THEN PROPERLY MOVE THE SECOND THAT WE DEFER. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. THEN DEFERRED UNTIL NEXT MONTH. OKAY. SO NEXT CASE UP IS, UH, MR. WATKINSON, THIS IS VARIANCE 0 0 0 1 0 0 20 26. THIS IS A SIDE SETBACK VARIANCE IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. APPLICANT IS MR. WATKINSON. UH, PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON 1 4 6 9 ELLI STREET. OF COURSE, WE'RE ASKING FOR A SIDE SETBACK VARIANCE. UH, CURRENT PROPOSED USES ARE BOTH RESIDENTIAL, AND THIS IS IN, THIS IS IN GREENBACK FILL. SO THERE'S HOUSES AROUND THIS PROPERTY. SO THIS IS THE PARCEL ZONE RESIDENTIAL. UM, FUTURE LAND USE IS AG. UM, THERE IS A FLOOD PLAIN AREA ON HERE, BUT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN GREEN IS THE, UH, 0.2% ANNUAL CHANCE, UH, NOT IN THE RPA. AND THESE ARE SOME, UH, PICTURES OF THE SITE. THIS IS ELLIS STREET, LIKE YOU'RE GOING BACK TOWARDS CAPTAIN'S COVE. THIS IS ELLA STREET GOING TOWARDS THE WATER. AND THESE ARE A PICTURE OF THE HOUSE AND A PICTURE OF WHERE, UH, THE ADDITION IS GOING TO GO. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. AND THESE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE ADDITION TO THE HOUSE. YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE PULLING, THEY'RE PULLING THIS SECTION FORWARD AND ALSO ADDING, ADDING A, UH, PORCH. OKAY. SO CONSIDERATIONS FOR VARIANCE APPLICATION. UH, NUMBER ONE, STRICT APPLICATION, UNREASONABLE RESTRICTION VERSUS ALLEVIATING HARDSHIP. THE ANSWER IS NO. THE SIZE AND FOOTPRINT OF THE ADDITION COULD BE ADJUSTED SO THAT VARIANCE IS NOT REQUIRED. NUMBER TWO, GOOD FAITH ACQUISITION. THE ANSWER IS NO. THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE ADDITION COULD BE ADJUSTED SO IT MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. UH, NUMBER THREE, SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. UH, THE VARIANCE WILL BE A BOUNDARY FRONTED BY A STREET, AND IT IS A SMALL VARIANCE. UH, NUMBER FOUR, UH, GENERAL OR RECURRING IN NATURE TO AMEND ORDINANCE TO ALLEVIATE THE SITUATION. THE ANSWER IS NO. UH, NUMBER FIVE, RESULT IN A USE NOT OTHERWISE PERMITTED. UH, THE ANSWER IS NO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT. AND NUMBER SIX, IS THE REMEDY SOUGHT AVAILABLE THROUGH SPECIAL? EXCEPT THE ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS NO. SO UTILITIES OVERHEAD UTILITIES ARE LOCATED ALONG ELLA STREET. THEY'RE ALSO LOCATED ALONG SCHOOL STREET. THIS IS A CORNER LOT. ELLA STREET AND SCHOOL STREET ARE STATE MAINTAINED SECONDARY ROADWAYS, AND THEY'RE IN AVERAGE CONDITION. UH, THE PROPERTY AND STRUCTURE ARE LOCATED IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA THAT'S, UH, FOR BFE AND FOR PUBLIC COMMENT NOTICES WERE PROVIDED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND DUE ADJACENT OWNERS PER STATE LAW. UH, WHILE AS A PREPARATION OF THIS, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED, I DID RECEIVE ONE THAT'S IN THE PACKET I HANDED OUT THIS MORNING. UM, ONE PERSON BEING IN FAVOR SAY THAT WAS THE FIRST OF THE, UH, VARIANCE. SO STAFF FINDINGS, UH, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO BUILD AN ADDITION THAT IS NO LESS THAN NINE FEET FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE. UM, A VARIANCE IS REQUIRED FOR THE ENCROACHMENT INTO THE SIDE SETBACK OF 15 FEET, AND THE ADDITION COULD BE ALTERED. SO THE VARIANCE IS NOT REQUIRED IF THE BCA ELECTS TO VOTE ON THE CASE STAFF USUALLY DOES NOT MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON VARIANCES. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT MET THIS THRESHOLD TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE. AND IF THE BCA WERE TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THERE ARE SIX OF THEM. UH, NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL OBTAIN ALL REQUIRED PERMITS FROM THE COUNTY'S COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL BE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICATION AND PLOT PLAN AS SUBMITTED. NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE RELEVANT VO AND HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS. NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE REGULAR RPA AND FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS. THIS WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO FLOODPLAIN. UM, NUMBER FIVE, THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE A SURVEY OF THE SITE SHOWING THE PROPERTY CORNERS AND THE PROPOSED FOOTPRINT OF THE STRUCTURE. THE SURVEY MUST BE STAKED IN CERTIFIED BY A LICENSED SURVEYOR. AND NUMBER SIX, A VIOLATION OF ANY OF THESE CONDITIONS WILL RENDER THE VARIANCE NULL AND VOID. THAT IS THE MOTION I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. I BELIEVE MR. WATKINSON IS HERE AS WELL. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM. UH, GO AHEAD. QUESTION FOR SYNGENT MM-HMM . UNDER [00:15:01] ALL THE OTHER A OF REGULATORY ISSUES, WON'T THAT, UH, ADDITION HAVE TO BE ELEVATED? THAT DEPENDS FOR PAIN REASONS. THAT DEPENDS. SO THAT, THAT DEPENDS ON A COUPLE FACTORS BECAUSE IT'S A FOUR BFE, IT DEPENDS ON THE, THE ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF. SO THERE IS A SITUATION WHERE IT MIGHT HAVE TO BE ELEVATED. THERE'S ALSO A SITUATION WHERE, UM, THE, THE ADJACENT GRADE IS HIGH ENOUGH TO WHERE THEY WON'T NEED TO ELEVATE ANY FURTHER. BUT WE WOULD HANDLE THAT AS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN. YES. YEP. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS ALREADY AN OPEN PORCH ON ONE END. YES. SO WHAT THIS SITE PLAN DOESN'T SHOW, WHICH IS WHY I SHOW THIS, IS THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T NECESSARILY SHOW THE COVERED PORCH THAT THEY'RE EXPANDING THAT EXISTING COVERED PORCH TO BE FIVE FEET. SO IT'S, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, IT'S ENCROACHING FURTHER THAN WHAT THE, THE COVERED PORCH THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE IS ALREADY OKAY. COVERING. SO IT'S GOING TO ENCROACH A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TOWARD THE STREET THAN WHAT'S EXISTING. YES, MA'AM. THE FOOT POACH. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SYNGEN BEFORE WE GET FROM THE OWN? IF THERE MEETING THE APPLICANT? IF, DO YOU WANNA SHARE ANYTHING WITH US? UM, HERE IF YOU WANNA SHARE. OKAY. SO YEAH, BASICALLY WE'RE DOING AN ADDITION. WILL YOU, YOU GOTTA GIVE US YOUR NAME FIRST. , I'M SORRY. TYLER WATKINSON. TYLER, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD IN ALL MATTERS BEFORE US? YES. OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE? SO THE ADDITION IS FOR, WE HAVE THREE KIDS. UM, WE HAVE ONE BEDROOM ON THE, OUR MASTER BEDROOM'S ON THE FIRST FLOOR, TWO BEDROOMS UPSTAIRS. UM, MY SON BACK HERE HAS CEREBRAL PALSY. HE NEEDS A HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE BEDROOM AND BATHROOM. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE ADDITION. UM, THAT'S, SO, YEP. ANYONE, ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MM-HMM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR SYNGEN? IF NOT, ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? SO I HAVE A QUESTION. THE ORDINANCE MENTIONS, UM, , SO THIS IS A CORNER LOT, CORRECT? THE ORDINANCE MENTIONS THE SHORTEST POINT. THE FRONT, YES. OKAY. SO IF WE GO BACK TO THE, IF WE GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THIS IS 81 FEET ACROSS UHHUH. AND THIS IS 80. THIS IS 87. SO FOR US, WE LOOK AT THIS AS THE FRONT. AS THE FRONT. YES. SO HE'LL BE 14 FEET FROM THE SIDE. SO THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE PORCH. THAT'S NOT THE PORCH ADDS THE FIVE FEET, WHICH GETS US TO THE, TO THE, UH, SIX FOOT VARIANCE. OKAY. YEAH. THE PORT, THE, IS IT SIX, SIX FOOT VARIANCE? YEAH. YEAH. MM-HMM . YEAH. THE ONE, THE ONE FOR THE HOUSE AND THEN PLUS FIVE FOR THE MM-HMM . FOR THE PORCH THAT THEY WANT TO ADD. OKAY. ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? MM-HMM . I MOVE THAT TO AKIMA COUNTY BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS APPROVE VARIANCE 0 0 0 1 0 0 2 0 2 6. A VARIANCE OF SIX FEET FROM THE 15 FOOT SIDE SETBACK REQUIREMENT PURSUANT TO AKIMA COUNTY CODE SECTION 1 0 6 DASH EIGHT THREE A ON TAX PARCEL FIVE B DASH A DASH 42 WITH THE SIX CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, HAD A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT MOTION PROPERLY MOVED. AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. THEN APPROVED. THANK YOU. WHO'D YOU TRY TO FIND THE SHEET FOR THE LAST ONE? I THINK SOMEBODY TOOK IT OUT TO SIGN IT AND NEVER GOT, WE NEVER GOT THAT SHEET BACK. I DON'T HAVE IT. OKAY. SO, MOVING ON. UM, THIS IS, UH, SHORT ROWS LLC. THIS IS SUSE 0 0 0 1 3 5 20 26. THIS IS A TOWER OVER A HUNDRED FEET. THIS [00:20:01] IS IN THE AG DISTRICT. APPLICANT ARE THE TOWERS, LLC AND SOCO PARTNERSHIP. PROPERTY OWNER IS A SHORT ROSE, LLC. THE LOCATION IS 69 A 1 0 4, APPROXIMATELY 141 ACRES ZONED AG, FUTURE LAND USE REG, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. ALSO AG, THAT'S THE PROPERTY. UH, ZONE, AGRICULTURAL FUTURE LAND USE IS ALSO AGRICULTURAL RPA. BUT WHERE THE SITE IS GONNA BE LOCATED, THERE'S NO RPA AND NOT IN THE FLOOD ZONE. THESE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE SITE. THIS IS, UH, FROM LITTLETON ROAD. THE TOWER'S GONNA BE APPROXIMATELY THIS LOCATION. UM, THIS IS LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE ROAD FROM THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION. AND THESE TWO PICTURES ARE APPROXIMATE SITE LINES FOR THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON AN ADJACENT LOT. HERE WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN, UH, ELEVATION SHEET, JUST KIND OF SHOWING YOU WHAT THE TOWER'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO, UH, CONSIDERATIONS FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS. SO, UH, NUMBER ONE, GENERAL CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. THE ANSWER IS NO. THE SURROUNDING AREA IS MOSTLY FARMLAND. WITH SOME RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, UH, THE GENERAL CHARACTER WILL NOT BE IMPACTED. UH, NUMBER TWO, ADVERSE IMPACT TO PUBLIC UTILITIES. UH, NO, THE TOWER WILL NOT BE LOCATED NEAR ANY OF THESE UTILITIES. UH, NUMBER THREE, PRESERVATION AND CREATION OF AN ATTRACTIVE AND HARMONIOUS COMMUNITY. THE ANSWER IS, UH, THIS USE FOR PROVOKE WILL PROMOTE THE PRESERVATION AND CREATION OF AN ATTRACTIVE AND HARMONIOUS COMMUNITY, AS IT WILL ENSURE CELLULAR SERVICE FOR CITIZENS AND EMERGENCY SERVICES. NUMBER FOUR, ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT OR SCENIC, HISTORIC AND WATERFRONT AREAS. THE ANSWER THERE IS NO ADVERSE IMPACT IS ANTICIPATED. THE PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED NEAR ANY OF THOSE. UH, NUMBER FIVE, ADVERSE IMPACT, UH, TO NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS. UH, THE ANSWER IS NO ADVERSE IMPACT IS ANTICIPATED. THIS USE WILL OTHERWISE MEET THE REGULATIONS IN 1 0 6 2 3 7. UH, NUMBER SIX, PROMOTE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE. WHILE THIS SAYS THIS, THIS WILL BENEFIT, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY IN THAT THIS IS ANOTHER PART OF THE COUNTY THAT WILL HAVE ADEQUATE CELL SERVICE THAT'LL HELP THEM. SO THE ANSWER FOR NUMBER SIX IS, YES, IT WILL HELP THE SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE BY HELPING THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY. UH, NUMBER SEVEN, CONFORMANCE WITH GOOD ZONING PRACTICE AND WITH STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, ORDINANCES, AND REGULATIONS. UH, YES, TOWERS OVER A HUNDRED FEET ARE ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE AG DISTRICT. AND NUMBER EIGHT, PUBLIC NECESSITY OR CONVENIENCE. THE ANSWER IS YES. THE COUNTY IS IN NEED OF RELIABLE INTERNET AND PHONE SERVICE, WHICH IS A PART OF THIS APPLICATION. OVERHEAD POWER LINES ARE LOCATED ON LITTLETON ROAD. UH, LITTLETON ROAD IS A TON MAINTAINED SECONDARY HIGHWAY THAT IS IN AVERAGE CONDITION. UM, PUBLIC SAFETY, IMPROVE CELLULAR SERVICE WILL ASSIST EMERGENCY SERVICES AND PUBLIC COMMENTS, NOTICES WERE PROVIDED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND TO ADJACENT ORDERS PER STATE LAW. AS A PREPARATION OF THIS SLIDE DECK, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED. SO FINDINGS, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO PLACE A 199 FOOT MONOPOLE TOWER IN THE AG DISTRICT. UH, THIS USE REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT DUE TO HEIGHT AND NO DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS ARE ANTICIPATED AND APPROVED. CELLULAR SERVICE FOR CITIZENS AND EMERGENCY SERVICES WILL RESULT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF SUSE 1 35 20 26 AND SHOULD THE BCA APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THERE ARE SEVEN OF THEM. THE APPLICANT SHALL APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT WITH THE COUNTY'S COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. UH, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE RELEVANT, UH, HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION REGULATIONS. UH, NUMBER THREE, THE BUILDING APPLICATION SHALL BE CONSISTENT WITH THIS APPLICATION. NUMBER FOUR, THE PROPERTY SHALL BE PROPERLY MAINTAINED WHILE THE STRUCTURE IS BEING CONSTRUCTED AND SHALL NOT BE ALLOWED TO FALL INTO DISREPAIR AFTER CONSTRUCTION. UH, NUMBER FIVE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH SECTION 1 0 6 2 3 7 AS IT RELATES TO THE TOWERS. UH, THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS VALID FOR TWO YEARS. AND NUMBER SEVEN, A VIOLATION OF ANY OF THESE CONDITIONS SHALL RENDER THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT NULL VOID. THAT IS THE MOTION. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS A POWERPOINT OF HER OWN. SO I I, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I CAN HANDLE THEM. IF NOT, I'LL PUT THE POWERPOINT UP FOR HER. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR SGIN? OKAY. NO, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL COME FORWARD THAT WE, UH, WOULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME? GOOD MORNING CHAIR. UH, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS LISA MURPHY AND I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF BOTH OF THE APPLICANTS. OKAY. WOULD DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE US? I DO. OKAY. [00:25:01] ALRIGHT. GOOD MORNING AGAIN. CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BZA AND AND STAFF. UH, I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF, UH, THE TOWERS LLC, WHICH TRADES AS VERTICAL BRIDGE AND SELCO PARTNERSHIP, WHICH TRADES AS VERIZON WIRELESS. UM, AND THANK YOU TO SYNGEN FOR COVERING ALL OF THE, THE DETAILS OF THE APPLICATION. JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF, OF WHY WE'RE HERE. ALTHOUGH I THINK, UH, FOLKS IN THE COUNTY UNDERSTAND, UH, THE PROPOSED TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY IS CRITICAL TO VERIZON WIRELESS'S GOAL OF PROVIDING STATE-OF-THE-ART, VOICE, AND DATA SERVICES AND MACK COUNTY, INCLUDING WIRELESS INTERNET AND NELSON GARTHA, SOUTH POINT AND MODEST TOWN, AS WELL AS IMPROVED COVERAGE ALONG ROUTE 13. UH, AND THE BUSINESS IS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. UM, WIRELESS DEMAND. SO WHEN I STARTED DOING THIS IN THE LATE NINETIES, UH, CELL PHONES WERE A IDY. YOU HAD ONE IF YOU WERE A REALTOR, IF YOU WERE A TRAVELING BUSINESSMAN. UM, THEY WERE NICE TO HAVE, NOT A HAVE TO HAVE TODAY. YOU FAST FORWARD. UH, SO IN DECEMBER, 2007, 16% OF PEOPLE WERE WIRELESS ONLY AT HOME. FAST FORWARD TO DECEMBER OF 2024, THAT NUMBER WAS 79% FOR ADULTS AND 87% OF CHILDREN LIVING IN WIRELESS ONLY HOMES. WHAT WERE THE THINGS THAT AFFECTED THIS? WELL, NUMBER ONE, IN 2008, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD THE FINANCIAL CRASH. PEOPLE GOT RID OF THEIR LANDLINE PHONES AND OPTED JUST TO HAVE A CELL PHONE, UH, BILL. AND THEN, UH, DURING COVID, WE SAW FOLKS HAVING TO WORK FROM HOME, HAVING TO EDUCATE FROM HOME. AND REALLY, YOUR WIRELESS DEVICE BECAME VERY CRITICAL. UM, TODAY, 80% OF, UH, 9 1 1 CALLS ARE MADE FROM WIRELESS PHONES. AND WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE, UH, EVERY MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD IN THE US HAS AT LEAST ONE WIRELESS DEVICE. SOME, SOME FAMILIES HAVE MULTIPLES. SO WE'VE GOT A, A SITUATION WHERE NETWORK CAPACITY IS OUTSTRIPPED BY THE NUMBER OF USERS AND THE NUMBER OF USES. UM, AND SO THE GROWING NUMBER OF USERS AND USES HAS RESULTED IN THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FACILITIES, AND THEY NEED TO BE CLOSER TO THE COMMUNITIES, THE RESIDENCES, AND THE BUSINESSES THAT THEY SERVE. THIS IS JUST A, A CHART THAT SHOWS YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT MILLENNIALS, AND THEY'RE IN THE ALMOST 90%. I MEAN, THERE ARE FOLKS TODAY THAT HAVE NEVER HAD A LANDLINE PHONE, NEVER HAD TO WAIT IN LINE AT THE LOCAL TELEPHONE COMPANY TO PAY THEIR DEPOSIT, TO GET THEIR LANDLINE PHONE. SO IT'S A, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD. THIS IS THE NETWORK, UM, OF, UH, THE PROPOSED LOCATION. YOU'LL SEE THE RED PIN IN THE MIDDLE, UH, THAT'S LABELED PROPOSED NELSONS TOWER TO THE NORTH. YOU HAVE A TOWER, UH, NAMED, UH, LABELED MAXVILLE TOWER. THAT'S THE YELLOW PIN THAT VERIZON IS CURRENTLY OPERATING ON. YOU'VE GOT A TOWER TO THE SOUTHWEST LABELED PARKLEY. UH, ALSO THE VERIZON IS OPERATING ON. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK TO THE YELLOW PIN TO THE WEST, UH, THERE'S THE HOPETON TOWER THAT THIS BOARD JUST APPROVED, UH, BACK IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR. SO THIS WILL, UH, CONNECT NICELY WITH THOSE, UH, WITHIN THAT THREE MILE RADIUS. UH, VERIZON IS CURRENTLY OPERATING ON ALL OF THE EXISTING TOWERS EXCEPT FOR ONE. THERE'S AN FM RADIO TOWER THAT'S THE GREEN PEN, UH, LABELED FM RADIO TOWER. UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT, UH, LOCATION IS TOO CLOSE TO THE EXISTING PARKLEY TOWER. IT WOULD JUST OVERLAP THAT COVERAGE INSTEAD OF, UH, PROVIDING COVERAGE IN THE LARGER AREA THAT WE'RE GONNA, UM, PROVIDE COVERAGE WITH FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE. LOTS OF THINGS IMPACT WHERE YOU CAN PUT A, A CELL TOWER. UM, YOU'VE GOT THE TECHNOLOGY, THE RF ENGINEERS DICTATE WHERE GENERALLY THEY WANNA BE TO FILL IN THE GAPS IN THEIR COVERAGE. UM, YOU'VE GOT THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING ANTENNA SITES THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT. UM, BUT IT ALL STARTS WITH LOOKING FOR EXISTING STRUCTURES, RIGHT? IF THERE WAS A STRUCTURE THERE, VERIZON WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO UTILIZE IT ALREADY. IT'S A, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, VERY QUICK PROCESS. SO, UM, WHERE THEY CAN'T FIND SOMETHING UP IN THE AIR, THEN THEY GO THROUGH THE LOCAL ZONING PROCESS. THEY'RE ALSO SUBJECT TO FEDERAL REGULATIONS, STATE REGULATIONS. SO IT'S, UH, AND THEY DON'T HAVE POWERS OF EMINENT DOMAIN, SO THEY HAVE TO FIND A WILLING LANDLORD, AND THE LANDLORD HAS TO FIND A SPOT ON THEIR PROPERTY THAT THEY FEEL IS SUITABLE FOR A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LEASE AREA. SO ALL OF THESE THINGS, UH, LEAD US TO THE PROPOSED SITE, WHICH IS THE NELSON TOWER. UH, AS WAS INDICATED, THE REQUEST FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS BECAUSE WE ARE REQUESTING 195 FOOT SELF-SUPPORT LATTICE WITH A FOUR FOOT LIGHTNING ROD. A HUNDRED FOOT TOWER, UH, WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT, BUT WE NEED THE EXTRA HEIGHT TO CONNECT WITH EXISTING SITES. UM, SYN ENGINE HAD A MU MUCH BETTER LAYOUT, BUT THIS JUST SHOWS THE, UH, THE LEASE AREA AND THE TOWER COMPOUND IN RELATION TO, UH, LITTLETON ROAD AND TO THE SURROUNDING, [00:30:01] UH, PROPERTIES. THIS IS A, UH, THE, UH, FACILITY WILL HAVE A, UH, AN ACCESS POINT ON LITTLETON ROAD WITH A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY. AND THEN YOU SEE THE SITE, UH, THE, UH, LEASE AREA IS A HUNDRED BY HUNDRED, BUT THE ACTUAL FENCE COMPOUND WILL BE 60 BY 60 AND WILL BE SURROUNDED BY LELAND CYPRESS TREES. THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, UP CLOSE TO THAT. THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS, AS I MENTIONED, 195 FOOT, UH, SELF-SUPPORT LATTICE WITH THAT FOUR FOOT LIGHTNING ROD. IT WILL NOT HAVE GUIDE WIRES. IT, IT IS SELF-SUPPORT. UM, SO EVERYTHING WILL BE WITHIN THAT FENCE COMPOUND. AND, UH, IT WILL BE BUILT NOT ONLY FOR VERIZON WIRELESS, BUT THERE'LL BE SPACE ON THE FACILITY FOR TWO ADDITIONAL USERS. SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE VERIZON, IF YOU HAVE AT AND T OR T-MOBILE, UH, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO CO-LOCATE AND UTILIZE THIS STRUCTURE AS WELL. HERE'S SOME, UH, PHOTO SIMULATIONS. SO AS PART OF THE APPLICATION PACKAGE, THE APPLICANT, UH, FLOATED A THREE FOOT IN DIAMETER RED BALLOON AND THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION AT THE APPROXIMATE HEIGHT, AND TOOK SOME PHOTOGRAPHS. SO THIS IS, UM, FROM THE AREAS WHERE YOU COULD SEE THE PROPOSED TOWER, THEY SIMULATED WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO THIS IS FROM LITTLETON ROAD, YOU SEE IT. UM, THESE ARE THE SITE LOCATIONS, VARIETY OF LOCATIONS, UM, MANY OF WHICH YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE FACILITY. AND THIS SHOWS, UH, UP CLOSE ON LITTLETON ROAD OFF OF THE, UM, ACCESS ROAD THERE. THIS IS, UH, FROM LANGFORD HIGHWAY. YOU SEE IT, UH, THE BALLOON IN THE DISTANCE. SO THIS ONE WOULD BE VERY, UH, VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE. HERE'S ANOTHER, UH, PHOTOGRAPH. AND AGAIN, IT'S OFTEN THE DISTANCE IT'LL BE AS GALVANIZED STEEL. IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE IN VIRTUALLY ALL, UM, UH, WEATHER SETTINGS. THE PROPOSED TOWER WOULD NOT BE LOCATE, UH, VISIBLE FROM THIS LOCATION, UH, THIS LOCATION AS WELL. AND THEN ONE LAST, UM, ACTUALLY TWO MORE. THIS IS SOUTHWEST FROM NELSON ROAD. LOOKING BACK OVER TOWARDS THE SITE. AND THEN, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS. UM, AS GIN MENTIONED, THE UH, TOWER ITSELF DOES COMPLY WITH THE COUNTY'S, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE. AND WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WAS MENTIONED, UH, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF BROADBAND FIBER NETWORKS AND INTERNET SERVICE FOR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES. UH, AND, UH, IDENTIFIES THE CHALLENGES RESIDENTS HAVE FACED IN OBTAINING INTERNET SERVICE AND GOOD RELIABLE WIRELESS SERVICE. UH, THE PROPOSED FACILITY, UH, WILL BE UNMANNED. IT'S VERY PASSIVE USE. IT WILL NOT REQUIRE CITY SERVICES, UH, AND WILL INSTEAD, UH, PROVIDE THAT MUCH NEEDED EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION SERVICES. AND THAT STRONG, RELIABLE, UH, WIRELESS NETWORK FOR CITIZENS STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THERE ARE NO DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS ANTICIPATED FROM THE TOWER. UH, AND IMPROVED CELLULAR SERVICE FOR CITIZENS AND EMERGENCY SERVICE WILL RESULT, UH, THEY'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH SEVEN CONDITIONS, UH, WHICH WE UNDERSTAND. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE CASE SUSC 0 1 35 26. UH, WE APPRECIATE IT AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK, UM, I BELIEVE THE ONE NORTH OF PARSLEY HAS NOT BEEN HOPE, DIDN'T KNOW IT IS NOT ON THE AREA. YEAH. MM-HMM . THAT ONE IS STILL, UM, I DON'T KNOW, SYNGEN OR PAUL MIGHT KNOW BETTER, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SITE PLAN, REVIEW PROCESS BEFORE THEY CAN START CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. SO WHAT'S THE TIME DELAY? UM, ACTUALLY I'M MEETING WITH THEM AT TWO O'CLOCK FOR THE PRECONSTRUCTION MEETING. THEY ALREADY START CONSTRUCTION, WHICH I THINK WILL START IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE DAY BECAUSE A, UH, AS WE HEAR THESE THINGS, I EMPHASIZE FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES THAT THE COUNTY IS IN DESPERATE NEED FOR THAT. 'CAUSE WHEN THEY PUT PEOPLE IN THE AMBULANCE, THEY DEPEND ON THE TELEMETRY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE HOSPITAL. IN A LOT OF PLACES THEY DON'T HAVE THAT. SO WE NEED MORE. AND WE GOT ANOTHER ONE HERE. MM-HMM . AND THEN IS THERE ANOTHER ONE IN W CREEK THAT IS, SO WE'VE BEEN ASKED ABOUT THERE, UM, TWO ADDITIONAL SITES THAT ARE AT THE LEAST PHASE. AND THOSE ARE, UM, SAGEVILLE OFF OF SAGEVILLE ROAD AND NEAR SILVER BEACH. MM-HMM . BUT WE, UH, WE ARE LOOKING IN THE WATCH OF CREEK AREA AND OTHER AREAS WE UNDERSTAND FROM, [00:35:01] UM, COUNTY ADMINISTRATION. AND ALSO, FRANKLY, UH, YOUR STATE SENATOR HAS REACHED OUT TO VERIZON ABOUT THIS. SO WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED. OKAY. WELL, I, I KNOW WE'RE HERE JUST FOR THIS, BUT, BUT I JUST WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENCOURAGE MORE. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SEND YOU. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR GIN? IF NOT, ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? I MOVED THAT THE ACK COUNTY BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS APPROVED SUSE 0 0 0 1 3 5 DASH 2 0 2 6, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PURSUANT TO AKIMA COUNTY CODE SECTION 1 0 6 DASH 53 26 TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 199 FOOT MONOPOLE. OR IS THAT A LATTICE TOWER? EXCUSE ME. IT SHOULD BE LATTICE INSTEAD OF MONO 199 FOOT LATTICE TOWER ON TAX MAP NUMBER 69 DASH A DASH 1 0 4 WITH THE SEVEN CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. I HEARD THE MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED. THANK YOU. OKAY. SINCE WE'RE ON TOWERS, THIS IS, UH, WILLIAM CUSA SMITH. THIS IS SUSE 0 0 0 1 3 6 20 26. THIS IS A TOWER OVER A HUNDRED FEET. AGAIN, SAME APPLICANT. PROPERTY OWNER IS, UH, WILLIAM CUSS SMITH. THIS IS LOCATED AT MAP NUMBER, UH, 54 DASH A DASH 2 0 9. THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 31 ACRES. UM, ZONED AGRICULTURAL ADJACENT ZONINGS ARE AGRICULTURAL IN THE TOWN OF HARWOOD'S. SOME PICTURES OF THE SITE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE AGRICULTURAL NATURE, I WAS NOT ABLE TO GET TO THE BACK OF THE SITE WHERE, WHERE THE TOWER'S GONNA BE LOCATED. BUT IT'S ALONG THIS LINE, KIND OF A HUNDRED FOOT BACK FROM, FROM WHERE THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN. AND THESE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE ROAD. UM, THIS IS GOING TOWARDS HARWOOD. THIS IS GOING AWAY FROM HALL, WOOD HALL, YEAH. DOWN OF HALL WOOD. UM, SO YOU'LL SEE IT RIGHT HERE. SO THIS IS HALL WOOD RIGHT HERE. AND, UH, THAT'S THE SITE, UH, ZONED AGRICULTURAL FUTURE LAND USE IS, UH, AGRICULTURAL. THERE'S A LITTLE SLIVER OF VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA RIGHT THERE, BUT WHERE THE, WHERE THE CELL TOWER IS GOING IS IN THIS APPROXIMATE LOCATION HERE. NOT IN A FLOOD ZONE, UM, NOT IN AN RPA. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, KIND OF SHOWING WHERE THE TOWER'S GOING TO BE. THIS IS A BLOWN UP IMAGE OF WHAT THE SITE'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. AND AGAIN, UH, LATTICE CONSTRUCTION. SO NOW WE'LL GET INTO CONSIDERATIONS FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS. UM, JUST TO SPEED THIS ALONG, THE SAME ANSWERS FOR THE LAST CASE ARE THE SAME ANSWERS FOR THIS CASE. OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT TWICE. BUT, UM, BIG THING HERE IS, UH, THE COUNTY IS IN NEED OF RELIABLE INTERNET AND PHONE SERVICE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS APPLICATION'S FOR. OVERHEAD POWER LINES ARE LOCATED ALONG BETHEL CHURCH. UH, BETHEL CHURCH ROAD IS A VDOT MAINTAINED SECONDARY HIGHWAY THAT IS AN AVERAGE CONDITION. UM, PUBLIC SAFETY, IMPROVED CELLULAR SERVICE WILL ASSIST EMERGENCY SERVICES, UH, NOTICES WERE PROVIDED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND TO ADJACENT OWNERS PER STATE LAW. AS A PREPARATION OF THIS SLIDE DECK, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED. I DID RECEIVE, UM, A PHONE CALL ASKING ABOUT THE GENERAL NATURE OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT. NOTHING, NOTHING FOR OR AGAINST IN WRITING. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING. UH, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO PLACE A 199 FOOT, UH, LATTICE TOWER IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT. UH, THIS USE REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT DUE TO HEIGHT AND NO DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS ARE IMPACTED AND IMPROVED CELLULAR SERVICE FOR CITIZENS AND EMERGENCY SERVICES WILL RESULT, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF SUSE 0 0 0 1 3 6 20 26. AND SHOULD THE BZA APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. UM, THESE ARE THE SEVEN SAME CONDITIONS FROM THE FIRST CASE. SO WE'LL JUST SAME SEVEN. UM, OF COURSE, THAT'S THE MOTION, OBVIOUSLY LATTICE INSTEAD OF MONOPOLE. UM, AND THE APPLICANT HAS A POWERPOINT FOR THIS ONE AS WELL. SO, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I HAVE A QUESTION. SURE. WAS THE TOWN HALL WOULD, UM, NOTIFIED? THEY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY PROBABLY WERE NOT. [00:40:08] I KNOW THAT THERE WERE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE TOWN OF HALL WOOD THAT WOULD'VE BEEN NOTIFIED, BUT I AM NOT AWARE THAT THE TOWN OF HALL WOOD WAS NOTIFIED. OKAY. , ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR SENDING ON THIS? IF NOT, UH, A IS IT PRETTY MUCH THE SAME POWERPOINT? YEAH, I CAN SKIP THROUGH SOME OF IT. . OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. UH, OR GOOD MORNING. I THINK IT'S STILL MORNING. YEAH. UH, FOR THE RECORD, LISA MURPHY HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANTS, THE TOWERS, LLC, WHICH TRADES AS, UM, VERTICAL BRIDGE AND, UH, VERIZON WIRELESS. JUST TO, I'LL SKIP THROUGH ALL OF THIS 'CAUSE YOU'VE SEEN IT. UM, THIS IS REALLY THE MEAT OF THE APPLICATION. SO, UH, THE PROPOSED FACILITY IS CRITICAL TO VERIZON WIRELESS'S GOAL OF PROVIDING STATE-OF-THE-ART, UH, VOICE AND DATA SERVICES IN THE COUNTY, INCLUDING WIRELESS INTERNET, UH, WEST OF ROUTE 13, AND AROUND HARWOOD MIRRORS AND, UH, MC MCKIMMIE PARK, AND TWO BUSINESSES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. IN THIS CASE, THE, UH, RED PIN IN THE MIDDLE IS THE PROPOSED HALL WOOD TOWER. UM, IT'LL CONNECT WITH, UH, TWO EXISTING SITES THAT ARE WITHIN THREE MILES. THERE'S, IF YOU LOOK TO THE NORTHEAST, THERE'S A TOWER LABOR LABELED TEMPERANCE FILL THAT VERIZON IS OPERATING ON. AND IF YOU LOOK TO THE SOUTHEAST, THERE'S A TOWER LABELED MAPS FILL, UH, THAT VERIZON'S OPERATING ON. THE ONLY OTHER TOWER WITHIN THREE FEET OF THE PROPOSED TOWER IS A TOWER LABELED A TC TOWER. UH, THAT IS THE GREEN PIN. AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT TOWER IS ACTUALLY ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF 13. AND IT'S ALSO REALLY TOO CLOSE TO MAPS FILL TO, TO COVER THE LARGER AREA, UH, TO THE WEST OF 13 THAT VERIZON IS REALLY TRYING TO COVER IN THIS CASE, SKIP THROUGH THAT. THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPOSED SITE. AGAIN, WHEN, UM, THE CARRIERS DETERMINE THERE'S A NEED TO BUILD A STRUCTURE, SO THEY DON'T, THEY CAN'T FIND SOMETHING TALL AROUND, THEY LOOK FOR A LARGE PARCEL. UM, THIS ONE IS 31 ACRES. UH, THEY LOOK FOR SUFFICIENT BUFFERING, UH, AGRICULTURAL TYPES OF USES AROUND NOT A, NOT A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. UH, AND THIS, UH, AS WAS INDICATED IS IT'S ABOUT 400 FEET OFF OF BETHEL CHURCH ROAD. UM, AGAIN, IN THE, THE BOTTOM LEFT PART OF YOUR SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE IT'S A HUNDRED BY A HUNDRED FOOT LEASED COMPOUND AREA, UH, WITH ACCESS FROM BETHEL CHURCH ROAD, GRAVEL ACCESS DRIVE. UH, WITHIN THAT, UM, A HUNDRED BY HUNDRED FOOT AREA WILL BE A 60 BY 60 FOOT FENCED COMPOUND. UH, IN THIS CASE, YOU CAN SEE, I, I PUT THIS ONE UP ON THE SCREEN. YOU CAN SEE THE WETLANDS BEHIND THE PROPERTY AND, AND TO AROUND IT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, UM, WILL ADD TO THE BUFFERING, THE EXISTING BUFFERING. YOU WON'T HAVE DEVELOPMENT THAT'LL COME CLOSE TO THIS SITE IN THE FUTURE. THIS JUST SHOWS YOU, IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE OF EXISTING VEGETATION. UH, THE LANDSCAPING PROPOSED IS JUST ALONG THE TWO SIDES OF THE COMPOUND. UH, THE TOWER WILL BE 195 FOOT, UM, SELF, SELF-SUPPORT LATTICE. AGAIN, NO GUIDE WIRES. UH, AND IT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR AT LEAST TWO ADDITIONAL CARRIERS. SO YOU'VE GOT VERIZON, UH, AND THE OTHER TWO CARRIERS IN THE MARKET. UH, AGAIN, WE FLOATED A, A THREE FOOT IN DIAMETER RED BALLOON, UH, AND TOOK SOME PHOTOGRAPHS AND THEN DID SOME SIMULATIONS OF WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE. UM, ONE THING I WOULD POINT OUT, OTHER THAN THE FACT THERE'S A, A TOWER IN THE PARKING LOT WITH GUIDE WIRES , BUT, UM, THIS ISN'T UNLIKE WHAT YOU WOULD SEE AS FAR AS FARMING EQUIPMENT OR FARMING OPERATIONS. SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT, UM, THERE'RE ALLOWED IN THE, IN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICTS, THIS SHOWS THE, THE VARIOUS LOCATIONS, UH, WHERE PHOTOGRAPHS WERE TAKEN DURING THE BALLOON TEST. AND THEN THIS, UH, WOULD BE FROM BETHEL CHURCH ROAD, WHAT THE STRUCTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE. YOU CAN SEE THE LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONT OF THE COMPOUND. UM, SIMULATED THIS WOULD BE, UM, FACING NORTH FROM BETHEL CHURCH. AND THEN AS YOU GET, UH, FURTHER AND FURTHER FROM THE TOWER NORTHEAST FROM BETHEL CHURCH, UM, MANY OF THESE OTHER LOCATIONS, UH, THE BALLOON WAS NOT VISIBLE, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE TOWER. SO REALLY, ONCE YOU'RE IN FRONT OF IT, ALONG, ALONG THE ROAD, UM, YOU'LL [00:45:01] BE ABLE TO SEE IT. BUT FROM, UH, ALL OF THESE OTHER VANTAGE POINTS, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO SEE, UH, THE BALLOON. AND I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S DOING THAT. UM, AS WAS INDICATED, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, A PASSIVE USE. ONCE THE TOWER IS BUILT, IT'S UNMANNED, IT'S VISITED INFREQUENTLY. DOESN'T REQUIRE, UM, MUNICIPAL SERVICES. UH, TENDS TO BE, UM, LIKE I SAID, LOW IMPACT AND, UH, BUT IT WILL HAVE A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON, UH, THE AVAILABILITY OF WIRELESS SERVICES AND ALSO EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS, WHICH WE KNOW ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. UM, THE APPLICATION, THIS ONE ALSO COMPLIES WITH THE COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND IS CONSISTENT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH AGAIN, RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF BROADBAND FIBER NETWORK AND INTERNET SERVICE FOR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES. UH, AND THE CHALLENGES THAT RESIDENTS HAVE FACED, UH, IN OBTAINING GOOD, SOLID, RELIABLE, UH, WIRELESS SERVICE AND INTERNET THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. UM, STAFF IS DETERMINED AGAIN THAT THERE WILL BE NO DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS, UH, ANTICIPATED FROM THE TOWER, AND IT WILL PROVIDE IMPROVED CELLULAR SERVICES FOR CITIZENS AND EMERGENCY SERVICES. UH, AS A RESULT OF THIS, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE SUSC OH 0 1 36 20 26. UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I'M HAPPY TO STAND BY FOR QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK, THANK YOU. JUST 1, 1, 1 MORE TIME. UM, YOU'RE AWARE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE, AND I KNOW PEOPLE IN REMOTE AREAS IN IN AKIMA COUNTY THAT ARE TOOLING UP WITH, UH, WIFI ACCESS, STARLINK IN PARTICULAR. YEAH. AND THAT, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE BETTER USES OF STARLINK IS IF YOU'RE IN A VERY RURAL AREA IN SATELLITES. I'M JUST SAYING, HURRY UP. YEAH. YEAH. , WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON IT. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. MM-HMM . QUESTION PAUL. PAUL, WE GOT SOME QUESTION. UH, IF YOU'VE NOT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, WE DON'T TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE. THANK YOU MR. WATSON. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. UM, IF WE DECIDE TO APPROVE THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITHOUT THE TOWN BEING NOTIFIED, IS THAT, IS THAT IN LINE WITH, UM, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT 15.2 DASH 2204 RIGHT ON MY PHONE, WHICH IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT , RIGHT. UM, BUT I, AND AND I, FROM WHAT I'VE GATHERED IN THE LAST COUPLE MINUTES TRYING TO READ THIS, IS THAT THE TOWN WOULD NEED TO BE NOTIFIED FOR A CHANGE IN THE ZONING MAP WITHIN 2000 FEET OF THE AFFECTED PROPERTY UNDER SUBSECTION B. I THINK OUR NOTICE REQUIREMENTS ARE UNDER SUBSECTION A, WHICH I DO NOT BELIEVE PROVIDES FOR NOTICE TO THE TOWN, BUT IT'S, IT IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SAY THAT DEFINITIVELY READING IT ON MY PHONE. SO, YEAH, I'M READING HERE. IT SAYS, UH, VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 2 0 4. WHEN A SPECIAL, WHEN A SPECIAL EXCEPTION OR SPECIAL USE PERMIT INVOLVES A CHANGING USE WITHIN ONE HALF MILE OF A NEIGHBOR LOCALITY BOUNDARY WRITTEN NOTICE SHALL BE GIVEN TO THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR OFFICER OF THAT ADJOINING LOCALITY AT LEAST 10 DAYS BEFORE THE HEARING. SO MY QUESTION IS, IF WE DECIDE TO APPROVE THIS WITHOUT NOTIFICATION TO THE TOWN, IS THAT APPROPRIATE? I SEE. UM, ACTUALLY I'M LOOKING AT SUBSECTION C, WHICH I HAD NOT GOTTEN TO, WHICH IS I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. UM, IF I COULD JUST HAVE A MINUTE, LET ME READ THIS. IT DOES APPEAR LIKE WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT BEFORE THE BOARD ACTS. I MEAN, IT IS A NOTICE PROVISION, SO I, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO DEFER THIS. DEFER AND GIVE NOTICE. OKAY. YES. WHAT CAN, CAN WE DO IT PENDING THE NOTICE [00:50:09] NOTIFICATION? IT'S JUST NOTIFICATION, BUT WOULD THE TOWN HAVE TO HAVE A HEARING ON IT AND ALL OF THAT, OR, I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I DO KNOW WE HAVE TO NOTIFY THE INCORPORATED TOWNS IF IT'S ADJACENT OR WITHIN, YOU KNOW, WE GIVE HALF A MILE, A QUARTER MILE, WHATEVER, SOMETHING, AND IT WOULD GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW UP HERE AS WELL. RIGHT. I WOULD SAY IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING OR, OR FURTHER CONFUSING BY ANOTHER POINT, WHICH SAYS THIS, AND I KNOW SOME JURISDICTIONS HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DO SPECIAL USE PERMITS, NOT THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, THIS SPECIFIC AND THAT THE COUNTY HAS THE OPTION OF ROUTING SPECIAL USE PERMITS EITHER THROUGH THE BZ EIGHT OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. BUT THIS SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT DOES NOT REFER TO THE BZA, WHICH IS UNUSUAL, BUT IT DOES SAY THAT THAT'S THE ONLY REQUIREMENT. IT SAYS SPECIAL USE PERMIT. IT DOES SAY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT THEN IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE, DOES NOT SAY THE BZA, WHICH IS CONFUSING. IT COMES UP FROM TIME TO TIME THAT VIRGINIA CODE WHERE THINGS DON'T EXACTLY LINE UP WITH WHAT YOU THINK THEY'RE GONNA SAY OR MAKE COMPLETE SENSE. SO IF WE DECIDE TO APPROVE THIS TODAY, IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD UM, WE SHOULD NOTIFY THE TOWN FIRST? UM, I THINK WITH THE WAY THIS IS WORDED, I, I DON'T REALLY SEE A DOWNSIDE TO THE BZA APPROVING IT TODAY. AND IF WE THINK IT NEEDS TO COME BACK IN OCTOBER TO BE APPROVED AGAIN, THEN WE, THEN WE WILL RE ADVERTISE IT IN FOR THE OCTOBER MEETING IN CASE WE DETERMINE THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE DONE BEFORE THE APPROVAL. THANK YOU. I'D SAY THE TOWN WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE TOWER. PROBABLY NOT, NO. HAVEN'T HEARD EVERYTHING. IS THERE A MOTION TO BEFORE US? GO AHEAD. SO I MOVE THAT THE MACK COUNTY BOARD OF ZONING APPEAL, APPROVE SUSE 0 0 0 1 3 6 DASH 2 0 2 6, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PURSUANT TO MIMA COUNTY CODE SECTION 1 0 6 DASH 5 3 26 TO ALLOW FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A 199 FOOT LATTICE TOWER ON TAX MAP NUMBER 54 DASH A DASH 2 0 5 WITH SEVEN CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF BASED ON THE DISCUSSION ABOUT NOTIFYING THE TOWN OF HOLIDAY. A SECOND, THEN PROPERLY MOVED TO SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED WITH THE ADDITIONAL EXCEPTION. OKAY. NEXT UP WE HAVE, UH, MR. UH, DAVID CHIN. THIS IS SUSE 0 0 0 1 1 3 20 26. THIS IS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT. APPLICANT IS, UH, MR. CHIN, UH, TAX PARCEL IS, UH, ONE 16 DASH TWO DASH C APPROXIMATELY 3.32 ACRES. UH, ZONED AGRICULTURAL FUTURE LAND USES AGRICULTURAL, UM, PROPOSED USES ARE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE AS WE'LL GET INTO ADJACENT ZONINGS OR AG. AND ADJACENT USES ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. SO THIS IS, UH, SCARBOROUGH NECK DRIVE. UH, THESE TWO PHOTOS HERE. AND THEN WE HAVE, THIS IS ACTUALLY AT, AT, AT THE END OF A VERY LONG PRIVATE ROAD, AND THIS IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF WHERE THE SHE OR WHERE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS GOING TO GO. THIS IS THE SITE. UM, IMPORTANT TO NOTE, MR. CHIN OWNS THIS PROPERTY HERE, SO IT'S GOING TO BE ON ITS OWN PARCEL, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE AN ADJACENT PROPERTY TO A PROPERTY HE ALREADY OWNS AND HAS A HOUSE ON. UH, ZONED AG [00:55:01] FUTURE LAND USES AG. UM, PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN A FLOOD ZONE. UH, PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED IN AN RPA. THIS IS A SITE PLAN SHOWING 11 FEET OFF OF THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE. AND THIS IS APPROXIMATELY WHAT THE BUILDING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. OKAY. SO CONSIDERATIONS FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS. NUMBER ONE, ADVERSE ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE GENERAL CHARACTERS SURROUNDING, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITHOUT A PRIMARY STRUCTURE COULD ADVERSELY IMPACT THE GENERAL CHARACTER IN THIS CASE. THE APPLICANT HAS A PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON AN ADJACENT LOT, SO THERE IS A NEARBY PRIMARY STRUCTURE. UH, NUMBER TWO, ADVERSE IMPACT TO PUBLIC UTILITIES. UH, NO ADVERSE IMPACT WILL RESULT OVERHEAD UTILITIES ARE ON SCARBOROUGH NECK ROAD. NUMBER THREE, FACILITATE THE PRESERVATION AND CREATION OF AN ATTRACTIVE AND HARMONIOUS COMMUNITY. UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITHOUT A PRIMARY STRUCTURE COULD ADVERSELY IMPACT, UM, THE PRESERVATION CREATION OF AN ATTRACTIVE COMMUNITY. IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT, AGAIN HAS A PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON AN ADJACENT LOT. UH, NUMBER FOUR, ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT. WHAT I WOULD SAY THERE IS, UH, NO, THE PROPERTY IS NOT, UH, NEAR ANY OF THOSE AREAS. NUMBER FIVE, ADVERSE IMPACT TO PROPERTY RIGHTS AND VALUES OF ADJOINING AND NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS. UH, NO ADVERSE IMPACT IS ANTICIPATED. THE STRUCTURE WILL OTHERWISE MEET SETBACK AND HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS. UH, NUMBER SIX, PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE. UH, THIS USE WILL NEITHER HINDER NOR PROMOTE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE. UH, NUMBER SEVEN, CONFORMANCE WITH GOOD ZONING PRACTICE AND WITH STAYING LOCAL LAWS, ORDINANCES, AND REGULATIONS. THE ANSWER THERE IS YES. ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITHOUT A PRIMARY ARE ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND PUBLIC NECESSITY OR CONVENIENCE. THIS REQUEST HAS NO BEARING ON PUBLIC NECESSITY OR CONVENIENCE. UH, UTILITIES OVERHEAD UTILITIES ARE ALONG SCARBOROUGH NECK ROAD TRANSPORTATION. SCARBOROUGH NECK ROAD IS A VDOT MAINTAINED SECONDARY ROADWAY THAT I WOULD CONSIDER IN FAIR CONDITION. UM, ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, THE PROPERTY IS PARTIALLY LOCATED IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA, HOWEVER, THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE PLACED IN THAT LOCATION. UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS, NOTICES WERE PROVIDED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND TO ADJACENT ORDERS PER STATE LAW. AS A PREPARATION OF THIS SLIDE DECK, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED. UH, STAFF FINDINGS, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS TO PLACE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE A PRIMARY STRUCTURE, WILL REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITHOUT A PRIMARY COULD AFFECT THE GENERAL CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT HAS A PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON AN ADJACENT PARCEL. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF SUSE 1 13 20 26. IF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS APPROVES THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THERE'S SEVEN OF 'EM. UM, THE APPLICANT SHALL OBTAIN ALL REQUIRED PERMITS. UH, NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL BE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICATION AND PLOT PLAN IS SUBMITTED. NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL ALLOW THE COUNTY TO MAKE INSPECTIONS OF THE SITE UNTIL THE CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION ISSUED. NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE RELEVANT, UH, VDOT AND HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS. NUMBER FIVE, THE PROPERTY SHALL BE PROPERLY MAINTAINED AT ALL TIMES WHILE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS ACTIVE. NUMBER SIX, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE RELEVANT FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS IF REQUIRED. UH, AND NUMBER SEVEN, THE VIOLATION OF ANY OF THESE CONDITIONS WILL RENDER THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT NULL AND VOID. THAT IS THE MOTION I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. MR. CHEN'S ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO SHARE ANYTHING WITH US? NO. THAT I'M JUST VERY RESPECTFUL OF PROCESS. DID ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THAT? OKAY. ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? YES. I MOVE THAT THE AKIMA COUNTY BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS APPROVE US SE DASH ZERO ZERO A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PURSUANT TO AKIMA COUNTY CODE SECTION 1 0 6 DASH FIVE THREE FOR A USE OF LAND NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED AS A USE PERMITTED BY RIGHT OR BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION. SPECIAL USE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT REGULATIONS, WHICH IS CLEARLY SIMILAR AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE USES LISTED THEREIN FOR TAX. PARTIAL ONE 16 DASH TWO DASH C WITH THE SEVEN CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. WE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? I. AYE. AYE. IT'S BEEN APPROVED. [01:00:05] OKAY. SO NEXT UP IS, UH, MR. MATTHEWS. THIS IS, UH, VARIANCE 1 25 20 26. THIS IS, UH, MULTIPLE VARIANCES IN ORDER TO SPLIT A LOT IN TWO. UH, PROPERTY OWNER AND APPLICANT ARE, UH, MR. MATTHEWS. THIS IS LOCATED CURRENTLY ON, UH, TAX MAP NUMBER 42 DASH A DASH 1 0 8 A ACREAGE FOR THE, UH, TOTAL SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 1.38 ACRES. UH, ZONE RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURALS. WE'RE GONNA SEE HERE IN A MINUTE. THESE ARE SOME PICTURES ON SITE. SO THIS IS ATLANTIC ROAD GOING BACK TOWARDS ATLANTIC. THIS IS ATLANTIC ROAD LIKE YOU'RE GOING TOWARDS THE ROYAL FARMS AT THE TURN TO GO TO SHIG. AND THESE ARE THE TWO HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE SITE. WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THAT. BUT BASICALLY WHAT IS GOING ON IS THEY WANNA SPLIT THE PROPERTY. SO THAT ONE HOUSE IS ON ONE LOT, OTHER HOUSE IS ON ANOTHER LOT. SO, UH, THIS IS THE SITE. UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE IT'S GOT RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL BOUNDARIES. UH, FUTURE LAND USE IS VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA. UH, NOT IN A FLOOD ZONE, NOT IN THE RPA. AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE SPLITTING UP BY ADDING THIS, THIS LINE HERE. THEY'RE SPLITTING UP THIS HOUSE AND THIS HOUSE. SO NOW WE'LL GET INTO, UH, WELL, AND JUST TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, THIS IS THE AG SECTION WHERE MOST OF THE VARIANCES ARE COMING FROM. SO THEY WOULD NEED VARIANCES FOR, UH, AREA SIZE, THAT SORT OF THING. UH, OKAY. SO NUMBER ONE, STRICT APPLICATION VERSUS AND UNREASONABLE RESTRICTION VERSUS ALLEVIATING HARDSHIP. UM, BY SPLITTING THIS, THE USE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD NOT CHANGE. UM, OF COURSE ALLEVIATING A HARDSHIP, HAVING TWO DWELLINGS ON THE SAME LOT COULD CREATE A ZONING ISSUE POTENTIALLY, BUT YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING IT AS IS WOULD STILL BE FINE. UM, NUMBER TWO. UH, GOOD FAITH ACQUISITION, NOT A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP. UH, WHILE THE PROPERTY APPEARS TO BE ACQUIRED IN GOOD FAITH, THE APPLICANT IS CHOOSING TO SPLIT THE PROPERTY UP IN A WAY THAT NEEDS A VARIANCE. UM, AT ANY RATE, NO MATTER HOW YOU SPLIT UP THE PROPERTY, IT WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY NEED A VARIANCE. UH, NUMBER THREE, SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. UH, NO ADVERSE IMPACT IS ANTICIPATED AS BOTH PARCELS WILL ALREADY HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. UH, THE PROPERTY WOULD OTHERWISE REME, UH, OTHERWISE MEET SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. UH, NUMBER FOUR, GENERAL RECURRING IN NATURE OF THE ANSWER IS NO, UH, RESULT IN THE USE NOT OTHERWISE PERMITTED. THE ANSWER IS NO RESIDENTIAL HOMES ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT AND THIS WOULD NOT BE AFFECTED. UH, NUMBER SIX. IS THE REMEDY SOUGHT AVAILABLE THROUGH SPECIAL EXCEPTION? THE ANSWER THERE IS NO. SO UTILITIES OVERHEAD UTILITIES ARE ALONG ATLANTIC ROAD. ATLANTIC ROAD IS A STATE MAINTAINED SECONDARY ROADWAY THAT IS AN AVERAGE CONDITION AND, UH, NOTICES WERE PROVIDED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND TO ADJACENT OWNERS PER STATE LAW. AS A PREPARATION OF THIS SLIDE DECK, ONE PUBLIC COMMENT IN FAVOR, UH, WAS RECEIVED. SO STAFF FINDINGS, THE APPLICANT WISHES TO, UH, SUBDIVIDING PARCEL AS TWO RESIDENCES. SO THE RESIDENCES ARE ON SEPARATE PIECES. UH, NUMBER TWO, THE PROPERTY WILL NOT MEET THE FRONTAGE OR AREA REQUIREMENTS FOR AGRICULTURAL ZONING AND CREATING A PARCEL THAT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCES. A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP BY DEFINITION, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS STAFF DOES NOT USUALLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR VARIANCE CASES. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT MET THE THRESHOLD OF APPROVAL FOR THE VARIANCES. UH, SHOULD THE PRE, SHOULD THE BCA APPROVE THE VARIANCE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THERE ARE FOR THEM. THE APPLICANT SHALL BE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICATION NARRATIVE AS SUBMITTED. NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE RELEVANT HEALTH DEPARTMENT, VDOT AND COUNTY REGULATIONS FOR THE SPLIT OF THE PARCEL. UH, NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL APPLY FOR A B APPROVED FOR, UH, THE SUBDIVISION. SO AFTER THIS WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL PROCESS THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY GO TO COURT TO BE RECORDED. AND NUMBER FOUR, A VIOLATION OF ANY OF THESE CONDITIONS SHALL RENDER THE VARIANCE DON'T VOID. THAT IS THE MOTION. IF I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. UM, I BELIEVE MR. MATTHEWS IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM. QUESTION. GO AHEAD. UH, SININ IT SOUNDS LIKE HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET A BANK LOAN UNLESS THIS SPLIT HAPPENED. SO WOULD THAT NOT BE A HARDSHIP IF HE COULDN'T GET THE BANK LOAN? SO IT'S FINANCIAL [01:05:01] HARDSHIPS ARE NOT, ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT VARIANCES LOOK FOR. THEY LOOK FOR UTILIZATION OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY CAN STILL BE UTILIZED IN ITS CURRENT STATE. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A QUESTION, SANDRA. YES. IT LOOKS LIKE ACCORDING TO THE SITE PLAN THAT THE OLD HERMAN CHESTER HOUSE, RIGHT? YES. IS ZONE RESIDENTIAL AND THAT MEETS THE RESIDENTIAL MINIMAL LOT SIZE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. ALRIGHT, SO THE ONE THAT WE ARE REALLY FOCUSING ON IS THE TWO STORY HOUSE. SO, SO, SO TO SPEAK, YEAH. SO SO TO COVER ALL BASES YEAH. BECAUSE OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. AND IT'S A VERY WEIRD SITUATION. THAT IS YOUR LINE BETWEEN AG AND RESIDENTIAL RIGHT THERE, THAT DOTTED LINE THERE THAT, UH, GEORGE YOUNG SHOWS. SO, SO THIS MEETS THE FRONTAGE FOR AG DOES NOT MEET THE AREA FOR AG. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IN THE RECOMMENDATION AND I WAS KIND OF LOOKING AT IT MYSELF, LIKE, IS THAT, THAT IS WHY IT'S LIKE THAT. BECAUSE TO COVER ALL BASES, WE GOTTA LOOK AT IT AS AG I THINK JUST TO, JUST TO MAKE SURE THE VARIANCE COVERS EVERYTHING BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANNA DO IS COME BACK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SGIN? SIR? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA SHARE WITH US. UH, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M HAPPY TO HOP UP THERE. ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT. I RIDE BY AND LOOK AT THAT HOUSE ALL THE TIME AND IT'S JUST SCREAMING TO BE FIXED UP. I AGREE. YEAH, IT IS. I AGREE. IF THIS'LL FACILITATE IT, I'M FOR IT. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? YEAH. I MOVE THAT. THE AKIMA COUNTY BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS APPROVE VARIANCE 0 0 0 1 2 5 DASH 2026, A VARIANCE OF 31 FEET FROM THE 150 FOOT FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT PURSUANT TO ACK COUNTY CODE SECTION 1 0 6 DASH FIVE SEVEN, AND A VARIANCE OF 4.45 ACRES AND 4.17 ACRES FROM THE FIVE ACRE REQUIREMENT PURSUANT TO ACK COUNTY CODE, COUNTY CODE SECTION 1 0 6 DASH FIVE FIVE FOR TAX PARCEL 1 42 DASH A DASH 1 0 8 A WITH THE FOUR CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, WE'VE GOT A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. IT'S BEEN APPROVED. THANK YOU. I CAN'T WAIT. . OKAY. WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY OUTSIDE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INSIDE. SO, UH, NEXT CASE UP IS, UH, MR. MYERS. THIS IS SUSE 1 34 20 26. AND THIS IS ALSO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITHOUT A PRIMARY. SO, REAL QUICK, THERE'S SOME PROPERTY INFORMATION. THIS IS TAX PARCEL, 28 DASH THREE DASH 16. UM, THIS WAS LOCATED IN THE ASHLAND ESTATES SUBDIVISION. SO JUST ABOVE, UH, CHIN ROAD GOING NORTH ABOUT A MILE. WE'LL SEE IT WHEN WE GET ON THE, UH, THE AERIALS, UH, ZONE AG, UH, CURRENT AND PROPOSED USES ARE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE. UM, THESE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE SITE. UM, THIS IS THE ACCESS ROAD GOING FURTHER INTO THE SUB, AND THIS IS THE ACCESS ROAD, LIKE YOU'RE GOING BACK OUT TO THE HIGHWAY. AND THESE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE SITE SHOWING, UH, TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. THIS IS THE AERIAL ZONED AG. UH, FUTURE LAND USE IS ALSO AG, NOT A FLOOD ZONE, AND NOT AN RPA. THIS IS A SITE PLAN. DISREGARD THE 30 BY 30. THAT IS ACTUALLY A HOUSE THAT THE APPLICANT AT SOME POINT IS GOING TO TRY AND BILL. WE DO NOT KNOW A TIMELINE AT THIS POINT. OKAY. UM, SO WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES HERE. SO WE'LL GO INTO CONSIDERATION FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS. UH, NUMBER ONE, ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, NUMBER ONE, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITHOUT A PRIMARY STRUCTURE COULD ADVERSELY IMPACT THE GENERAL CHARACTER. UH, THIS PARCEL IS IN A SUBDIVISION WITH FAMILY HOMES WITH, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON EITHER SIDE. UH, TWO, ADVERSE IMPACT TO PUBLIC UTILITIES, UH, NO ADVERSE IMPACT WILL RESULT. NUMBER THREE, FACILITATE THE PRESERVATION CREATION OF A ATTRACTIVE AND HARMONIOUS COMMUNITY. UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITHOUT PRIMARY STRUCTURE COULD, UH, ADVERSELY IMPACT THE CREATION OF AN [01:10:01] ATTRACTIVE, HARMONIOUS COMMUNITY AND COULD AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES. THIS PARCEL IS A SUBDIVISION WITH FAMILY HOMES ON EITHER SIDE, WHICH COULD ALSO AFFECT THEIR VALUES. UH, NUMBER FOUR, ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT OR SCENIC. HISTORIC AND WATERFRONT AREAS, UH, NO ADVERSE IMPACT CAN RESULT. THE PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED NEAR ANY OF THESE AREAS. NUMBER FIVE, ADVERSELY IMPACT PROPERTY RIGHTS AND VALUES OF ADJOINING AND NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS. ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITHOUT A PRIMARY STRUCTURE COULD ADVERSELY IMPACT PROPERTY RIGHTS AND COULD AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES, UH, AGAIN, PARCELS IN A SUBDIVISION. NUMBER SIX, PROMOTE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE. UH, THIS USE WILL NEITHER HINDER NOR PROMOTE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE. NUMBER SEVEN, CONFORMANCE WITH GOOD ZONING PRACTICE AND WITH STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, ORDINANCES, AND REGULATIONS. THE ANSWER IS YES. ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITHOUT PRIMARY STRUCTURES ARE ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT. AND NUMBER EIGHT, UH, PUBLIC NECESSITY OR CONVENIENCE. THE ANSWER IS NO. THIS RE THIS REQUEST HAS NO BEARING ON PUBLIC NECESSITY OR CONVENIENCE. SCARLET DRIVE IS A PRIVATE ROAD. I WOULD CONSIDER IT IN FAIR TO POOR CONDITION. WE KIND OF, WE KIND OF SAW IT ON THE AERIAL. IT'S KIND OF GROWN OVER. UH, PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, NOTICES WERE PROVIDED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND TO ADJACENT OWNERS PER STATE LAW AS A PREPARATION OF THIS SLIDE DECK. AND AS OF TODAY, I HAVE RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. STAFF FINDINGS. THE APPLICANT HAS PLACED TWO SHEDS ON THE PROPERTY. UH, THE PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE A PRIMARY STRUCTURE. REQUIRES SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITHOUT YOUR PRIMARY COULD AFFECT THE GENERAL CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. AND OF COURSE, THIS IS AN AFTER THE FACT APPLICATION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF SUSE, UM, EXCUSE ME. NOPE, THAT'S ACTUALLY CORRECT. SUSE 1 34 20 26. IF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS APPROVES THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING SEVEN CONDITIONS. UM, APPLICANT SHALL OBTAIN ALL REQUIRED PERMITS. UH, THE APPLICANT SHALL BE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICATION PLOT PLAN AS SUBMITTED. NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL ALLOW THE COUNTY TO MAKE CONCESSIONS, UH, INSPECTIONS OF THE SITE UNTIL A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION IS ISSUED. UH, NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE RELEVANT VDOT AND HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS. NUMBER FIVE, THE PROPERTY SHALL BE PROPERLY MAINTAINED AT ALL TIMES, UH, WHILE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS ACTIVE. AND THAT WOULD BE AT LEAST UNTIL THE CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION IS ISSUED. UH, NUMBER SIX, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE RELEVANT FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS IF REQUIRED. THAT IS NOT REQUIRED. AND NUMBER SEVEN, A VIOLATION OF ANY OF THESE CONDITIONS WILL RENDER THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND NULL VOID. SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WE'LL JUST TAKE AWAY NUMBER SIX BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN A FLOOD ZONE, SO WE DON'T NEED IT SIX CONDITIONS. SO SIX CONDITIONS INSTEAD OF SEVEN. OKAY. OH, THE, THE OTHER THING TO ADD IS WE HAVE, WE HAVE KIND OF AN INTERESTING SITUATION WHERE ONE OF THE STRUCTURES WAS MORE LIKELY ERRONEOUSLY GIVEN A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION. UM, SO THAT IS KIND OF SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND. UH, MR. WATSON COULD EXPLAIN IT BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT, UM, BASICALLY WE HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION FOR SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN ONE. PAUL? UH, YES. AFTER MAKING A SITE VISIT, WE LOOKED THROUGH THE OLD FI OLD INTER GOV FILES IN OUR SYSTEM AND FOUND THAT A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION WAS GIVEN FOR, UM, IT'S THE BUILDING CLOSER TO THE ROAD. AND THIS WAS DONE SOME YEARS AGO. OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE, UH, 28, THE 28 BY 12 RIGHT HERE. SO I THINK ONLY THE EIGHT BY 16 IS REALLY THE SUBJECT OF THIS HEARING SINCE WE HAD ALREADY GIVEN THE CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION FOR THE OTHER BUILDING. SO I WOULD, AND I WOULD ALSO ASK AS AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION, UM, OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT OF THE BUILDING INSPECTORS, UH, BE GIVEN ENTRY INTO THAT 28 BY 12 ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO DETERMINE IF ANY FURTHER WORK HAS BEEN DONE. 'CAUSE UM, AT LEAST IT DOES LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY MAY BE STAYING THERE, WHICH WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. BUT IT, SO AS PART OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE WOULD ASK THAT TO BE AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO INSPECT THAT STRUCTURE. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD GET US BACK TO SEVEN CONDITIONS. OKAY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION, MR. SWANSON? YES. THIS IS A PET PEEVE OF MINE, BUT THERE WAS A CO ISSUED ERRONEOUSLY, BUT IT WAS NEVER RESCINDED. SO TECHNICALLY THIS IS NOT ACCESSORY BUILDINGS WITHOUT A PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TO PAY $440? WELL, ONLY FOR THE 28 BY 12. THE EIGHT BY 16 IS, UH, WAS NOT PART OF THAT BUILDING APPLICATION OR PART OF THAT CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION. SO HE STILL NEEDS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SECOND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE [01:15:01] ON THE PROPERTY. YES. BUT THERE WAS A COO, SO TECHNICALLY THERE'S A PRIMARY RESIDENCE ON THERE. UM, IT IS NOT A RESIDENCE. THAT'S A, IT'S AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. YOU ALL ISSUED THE CO UM, WE DID SOME YEARS AGO, YES. THAT I FOUND, UM, OKAY. I MEAN, I MEAN, IT WAS NOT PROPOSED AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WAS NOT BUILT AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. I WOULD CALL IT A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF A BUILDING. NOT, NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU CAN RESIDE IN. OKAY. THANK YOU. MIKE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH US? YEAH, UH, THIS PARTICULAR THING, WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE, WAS ISSUED FOR A DWELLING. THEY WERE BUILDING A DWELLING AND IN ADDITION TO THE DWELLING BACK THEN THEY GAVE HIM A PERMIT FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. WELL, THE DWELLING WAS NEVER BUILT, BUT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WAS, SO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE STAYED ON THERE, AND IT WAS ISSUED, IT WAS ISSUED KNOWING THAT THERE WAS A HOUSE BEING BUILT. SO, OKAY, YOU CAN BUILD AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TOO, BUT THE HOUSE WAS NEVER BUILT. OKAY. SO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE STAYED THERE WITHOUT THE HOUSE. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME IN. THAT'S THAT 30 BY 30 THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO IGNORE? YES. OKAY. GOTCHA. OKAY. ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, FOR SYNGENT? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YEP. MR. MYERS IS HERE. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM, MR. MYERS, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA SHARE? IF SO, YES, SIR. OKAY. WOULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME? EDWARD MYERS. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. SO HELP, SIR GOD ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE IT'S TRUTH. IT WAS IN 2019. OKAY. I'M A LITTLE THIRSTY NOW BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE A WHILE, BUT THAT'S WHY MY THROAT. BUT, UM, 2019, I TURNED AROUND AND I SAID THAT, OKAY, I AM GONNA GET BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND I'M GONNA, I HAVE TO GET THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SHED AND THE, AND THE PERMIT FOR EVERYTHING. SO I GOT THE SHED IN THE PERMIT FOR THE HOUSE, OKAY? IN LATE 2019, IT HAD COVID HIT THAT EVERYTHING WENT, EVERYTHING WENT CRAZY WITH PRICES. OKAY? UM, EVERYTHING IN THE SHED IS, EVERYTHING I HAVE HELD FROM A LONG TIME. JUST, IT WAS ALL WAS GONNA BE, IS A SHED. AND NOBODY'S GONNA LIVE IN, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING NOTHING TO NOBODY, BUT I'M NOT GONNA BE LIVING IN THE SHED. AND I DON'T LIVE IN THE SHED. I WORK FOR ROY COUNTY CORPORATE SCHOOLS. I CAN'T TRAVEL 129 MILES ONE WAY EVERY DAY TO GO BACK TO MY JOB. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT, MIKE, I DON'T KNOW MIKE LAST NAME ACTUALLY, BUT I'M, I GUESS HE TOOK IT UPON THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY WAS LIVING THERE, BUT I DON'T LIVE THERE. ALL IT IS IS MY SHED. I'M TRYING TO GET WORK WITH THE BANK TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHEN THIS PRODUCT WITH THE WOOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS GONNA BE COMING DOWN SO I CAN GET APPROVED FOR A LOAN AND I'M GONNA PUT A HOUSE UP. I'VE BEEN WANTING TO DO THIS FOR A LONG TIME, AND I THOUGHT I WAS OKAY WITH THE PERMITS UNTIL THIS CAME UP AND IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, SO I GUESS I HAVE TO COME HERE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MM-HMM. DO, DO YOU HAVE A TIMETABLE ON WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING TO CONSTRUCTION? THAT'S TRYING TO, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO ASK ME, AND I SAID THAT I'M OKAY WITHIN REASON, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE, YOU KNOW, COVID AND EVERYTHING KIND OF MESSED THINGS UP ON PRICES OF PROP, NOT PROPERTY, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, LUMBER AND EVERYTHING. SO I'M TRYING TO GET THE LUMBER BACK DOWN. IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT. I MEAN, IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT. I'M NOT GONNA SIT IN HERE AND LIE TO YOU BECAUSE THERE'S NO SENSE THOUGH, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO IT, I'M GOING, I'M ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH TWO BANKS NOW TO SEE IF I CAN GET APPROVED. SO I'M TRYING TO WAIT FOR THEM TO SAY, OH, YEAH, MR. MYERS, COME IN AND EXPLAIN IT TO US. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. I THANK YOU. OKAY, SO JUST TO RECAP, WE'RE BACK TO SEVEN CONDITIONS. THE ONE CONDITION WOULD BE BUILDING INSPECTOR ALLOWED TO GO IN THERE TO ACCESS TO THE RUN THAT ACCESS TO THE, UH, 12 BY 28 TO CONFIRM THAT IT'S NOT BEING LIVED IN. THANK YOU. GOTCHA. ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? MM-HMM . OKAY. CINDY, WOULD YOU PUT THE, OH, SORRY. THANK YOU, SIR. THERE YOU GO. I MOVED THAT AKIMA COUNTY BOARD OF ZONE APPEALS APPROVE, SUSE DASH 0 1 3 4 DASH 2 26, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PURSUANT TO ACK COUNTY CODE SECTION 1 0 6 DASH 5 3 27 FOR A USE OF LAND NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED AS A USE, PERMITTED BY RIGHT OR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, SPECIAL USE IN THE AGRICULTURE DISTRICT REG REGULATIONS, WHICH IS CLEARLY SIM SIMILAR AND COMPATIBLE WITH USES LISTED THERE IN TO ALLOW TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. OR IS IT ONE, I WOULD JUST SAY, UH, ONE, [01:20:02] UH, YOU CAN SAY, UH, ONE FOR A TOTAL OF TWO. ONE FOR A TOTAL OF TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES FOR A TAX PARCEL. 28 DASH THREE DASH 16 WITH THE SEVEN CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. AND THE, UM, SEVENTH CONDI. NO, THE SIXTH CONDITION IS UP TO ALLOW STAFF TO CONFIRM, CONFIRM THAT THE SHED'S NOT BEING LIVED IN. YES, WE'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. IT'S BEEN APPROVED. THANK YOU. OKAY, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE DOOR. I DON'T HAVE TIME UNTIL 12. OKAY. BUT WE, I'LL GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO, TO WALK OUT BEFORE. ALL RIGHT. UP NEXT, THIS IS, UM, MR. BEACH. THIS IS SUSE 0 0 0 1 24. COULD WE HOLD SOME OF THE CONVERSATION NOW? PLEASE? THANK YOU. SUSE 0 0 0 1 2 4 20 26. THIS IS, UH, UH, A BUNCH OF AGRITOURISM USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. UH, APPLICANTS ARE, UH, AMY JORDAN. ANNA WAS LOCKNEY AND ALEXANDER BENITEZ. PROPERTY OWNER AT THIS POINT IS JAMES BEACH. THIS IS TAX PARCEL, 28 A DASH A DASH 24. UH, ACRES IS 33 ACRES. UH, ZONING IS A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL AND GENERAL BUSINESS. THE, UM, ALL THE USES ARE GONNA BE IN THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION OF THE PROPERTY. FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION IS INDUSTRIAL CURRENT AND PROPOSED USES ARE RESIDENTIAL AND BUSINESS IN NATURE. UM, ADJACENT ZONINGS ARE RESIDENTIAL GENERAL BUSINESS, AND, UH, THIS IS EXTREMELY CLOSE TO A, TO A SUBDIVISION THAT ACTUALLY SHARES AN ACCESS WITH A SUBDIVISION AT THIS POINT. THESE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE SITE. THIS IS KIND OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE ROAD. THIS IS HICKMAN FARM ROAD GOING BACK TOWARDS THE HIGHWAY, HICKMAN FARM ROAD GOING AROUND THE BEND. THERE IS AN UNFINISHED, KIND OF WHAT I WOULD SAY IS LIKE A 75% COMPLETE STRUCTURE, UM, THAT HAD BEEN STARTED, BUT WAS NEVER COMPLETED. UM, SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY. THESE ARE THE ZONINGS. YOU CAN SEE THE MIXTURE OF GENERAL BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL. UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, CHANGE TO INDUSTRIAL AREA HERE, NOT IN A FLOOD ZONE, NOT IN RPA. AND THESE ARE SOME, UH, PICTURES OF WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO. BASICALLY, WE HAVE, UH, SEVERAL USES A CAFE THAT THE BUILDING WILL USE. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, MEETING SPACE. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, PUMPKIN PATCHES, CORD MAZES. UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S A PLAYGROUND FOR, FOR, UH, CHILDREN. WE'LL GET INTO ALL THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE, TO THE RECOMMENDATION. AND ALSO THEY SHOW, UH, LEASE GRAZING LAND THERE. THIS IS KIND OF A, A BLOWN UP PORTION OF THAT TO SHOW THE, THE PARKING. UH, JUST A QUICK NOTE. THE RV SITES IS NO LONGER PART OF THIS APPLICATION. THEY ARE NOT APPLYING FOR THIS, SO THE APPROVAL WILL NOT INCLUDE THE RV SITES. SO WE'LL GO TO CONDITIONS FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS. NUMBER ONE, ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE GENERAL CHARACTERS SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AGRI TOURS OF BUSINESS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA COULD ADVERSELY IMPACT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. THE ADDED TRAFFIC THAT WOULD RESULT FROM THE USE COULD IMPACT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THE ROADS ARE IN WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER AVERAGE CONDITION. ALSO, THE PROPOSED USE COULD JUST, COULD DISRUPT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH NOISE. NUMBER TWO, ADVERSE IMPACT TO PUBLIC UTILITIES. UM, FROM WHAT WE COULD TELL NO ADVERSE IMPACT WOULD RESULT. UH, NUMBER THREE, UH, PRESERVATION AND CREATION OF AN ATTRACTIVE HORN ERRONEOUS COMMUNITY. THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, SO THIS USE COULD BE DISRUPTIVE WITH THE TRAFFIC AND NOISE. UH, NUMBER FOUR, ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT OR SCENIC. HISTORIC AND WATERFRONT AREAS, UH, NO ADVERSE IMPACT WILL RESULT. THE PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED NEAR ANY OF THESE. UH, NUMBER FIVE, ADVERSE IMPACT TO PROPERTY RIGHTS AND VALUES OF ADJOINING AND NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS. UH, THIS USE COULD IMPACT PROPERTY RIGHTS AND VALUES BECAUSE IT WOULD INCREASE TRAFFIC AND NOISE. NUMBER SIX, PROMOTE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE. UM, THIS USE WILL NEITHER HINDER NOR PROMOTE. UH, NUMBER SEVEN, CONFORMANCE WITH GOOD ZONING PRACTICE AND WITH STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS. ANSWER IS NO. THIS USE BEING LOCATED [01:25:01] IN A ZONING DISTRICT, SPECIFICALLY FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE MAKEUP OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND NUMBER EIGHT, PUBLIC NECESSITY OR CONVENIENCE. UH, THIS USE HAS NO BEARING ON PUBLIC NECESSITY OR CONVENIENCE. UTILITIES, UH, OVERHEAD UTILITIES ARE ALONG HICKMAN FARM. HICKMAN FARM ROAD IS A, UM, SECONDARY ROADWAY IN AVERAGE CONDITION, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY. THE ADDED TRAFFIC CAUSED BY THIS USE COULD IMPACT PUBLIC SAFETY. UH, AND THEN WE GET INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. NOTICE NOTICES WERE PROVIDED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND TO ADJACENT OWNERS PER STATE LAW. UM, I WAS RECEIVING LETTERS EVEN AS OF THIS MORNING. SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF LETTERS AGAINST. YOU HAVE SOME LETTERS FOR, UM, THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 20 LETTERS IN TOTAL. JUST EYEBALLING THE STACK OF PAPER STAFF FINDINGS, THE APPLICANT REQUEST TO OPERATE AN AGRITOURISM BUSINESS. UH, THIS USE WOULD BE ALLOWED BY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT UNDER THE CATCHALL FOR RESIDENTIAL ZONING. UH, THIS USE COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE NATURE OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. COULD ALSO NEGATIVELY IMPACT BY NOISE TRAFFIC, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED EARLIER. SO, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF SUSE 1 24 20 26 BASED ON THE USE ADVERSELY IMPACTING THE NATURE OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE EXCESS TRAFFIC THIS USE COULD CREATE ON, ON A HICKMAN FARM ROAD. IF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS APPROVES SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING NINE CONDITIONS. UH, AGAIN, NINE CONDITIONS. UH, THE APPLICANT SHALL OBTAIN ALL REQUIRED PERMITS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. THE APPLICANT SHALL BE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICATION OF PLOT PLAN AS SUBMITTED. THE APPLICANT SHALL ALLOW THE COUNTY TO MAKE INSPECTIONS OF THE SITE WHILE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS, IS, UH, ACTIVE. UH, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE RELEVANT VDOT AND VDH REGULATIONS. PROPERTY SHALL BE PROPERLY MAINTAINED AT ALL TIMES. WHILE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS ACTIVE, UH, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A PARKING PLAN SHOWING HOW THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC TO AND FROM THE SITE WILL BE HANDLED. THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT AN ENGINEERED SITE PLAN SHOWING THE VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT FOR THE COUNTY TO APPROVE. NUMBER EIGHT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IF WE GET THIS FAR, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THIS USE SHALL BE RESTRICTED TO HOURS OF OPERATION BETWEEN 10 AND SIX. I PUT THOSE TIMES IN JUST AS A STARTER, WHATEVER TIMES YOU GUYS DECIDE AS THE TIMES YOU DECIDE. AND OF COURSE, NUMBER NINE, A VIOLATION OF ANY OF THESE CONDITIONS WILL RENDER THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN LL VOID. THAT IS THE MOTION. I THINK MR. WATSON HAS SOME THINGS HE'D LIKE TO ADD AS WELL. OKAY. UH, YES. I'D JUST TO FOLLOW, LIKE, TO FOLLOW UP A LITTLE BIT ON THE RECOMMENDATION. AND WE JUST DON'T THINK THIS USE IS SUITABLE AT THIS LOCATION. UM, THESE AGRI, SOME ACTIVITIES ARE SUITABLE TO FARM, UH, UH, SUITABLE TO A FARM WITH A LOT OF ACREAGE, UH, THAT WOULD INSULATE THESE ACTIVITIES FROM THE NEIGHBORS. IT'S JUST NOT SUITABLE AT THE REAR OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I MEAN, THE MORE SUCCESSFUL THIS IS, THE GREATER THE NUISANCE IS GOING TO BE TO THE NEIGHBORS. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF USE WOULD NEED A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS, UH, HOURS OF OPERATION, DAYS OF OPERATION, NUMBER OF PEOPLE, NUMBER OF CARS. UM, THINGS COULD SPIN OUTTA CONTROL REALLY QUICKLY. IF YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF KIDS, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ON THIS SITE DRIVING THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, RUNNING THROUGH A CORN MAZE, MAKING A LOT OF NOISE. I MEAN, THESE ARE, UH, THE NEIGHBORS ARE IN A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO BE ALLOWED BEHIND YOUR HOUSE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS THE TYPE OF ACTIVITY THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT ON A, A LARGE ACREAGE TRACK, UH, THAT WOULD INSULATE THIS ACTIVITY FROM THE NEIGHBORS. AND WOULD JUST SUM IT ALL UP BY SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF RULES THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO IMPOSE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO NOT, TO AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT NOT A NUISANCE TO THE NEIGHBORS, I THINK ILLUSTRATES, UH, THE FACT THAT IT'S JUST NOT A SUITABLE USE AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. DO IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR SGIN? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR ST OKAY. THE ACCESS TO THE PROPOSED SITE IS OFF OF, IT'S OFF OF, UH, IT'S OFF OF STI ROAD. SO ROUTE 1 75, ROUTE 1 75. THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE GOT STE ROAD HERE. UM, THE ACCESS IS, WE COULD TELL WHILE THERE IS A SLIVER HERE, WHICH I AM ASSUMING IS FOR ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. THE WAY THIS PROPERTY IS ACCESSED IS THROUGH HICKMAN FARM ROAD, AND THE ACCESS IS THIS WAY AND IT'S OFF OF SHIN CREEK ROAD. OFF SHIN CREEK ROAD. YES, MA'AM. THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE, UH, THE NARRATIVE, HAS THE COUNTY SEAL ON IT, [01:30:01] IS THIS SOMETHING FROM STAFF OR IS IT FROM THE, UH, THE APPLICANTS? UM, IT'S PROBABLY JUST A SCAN OF OUR APPLICATION THAT THEY IMPOSE THEIR NARRATIVE ON. IT'S NOT FROM US, IT'S NOT FROM THE, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY JUST A SCAN COPY. THAT'S ALL I NEED. THANKS. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE PHOTOGRAPHS. THIS METAL BUILDING? YES. IS THAT WHAT THEY IDENTIFY AS THE AGRICULTURAL SHED ON THEIR PLAN? ON THE SITE PLAN? LET'S SEE. I AND I, IT'S, IT'S THE WEIRDEST AG SHED I'VE EVER SEEN. IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IT'S HOUSE, IT WOULD BE THIS, IT'D BE THE 43 BY 70 EXISTING STRUCTURE. OH, OKAY. SO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU SEE, UM, WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ADDED. THIS STRUCTURE IS 43 BY 70 IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS ON THE SITE RIGHT NOW. BUT IT'S BEEN SO LONG INCOMPLETE. THE PERMITS HAVE EXPIRED AND IT'S, YEAH. NOT GRANDFATHER. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SANGEN BEFORE WE, WELL, JUST, JUST ONE MORE THING I'D LIKE TO ADD. SO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS GETTING APPROVED, UM, IN THE MOTION, YOU KNOW, PLAYGROUND MATES, PETTING, ZOO, CAFE, CHILD PLAY AREA, LEASE GRAZING, LAND, SAND, PIT FENCE, GOAT AND CHICKEN HABITATS, THAT'S WHAT'S BEING, THOSE ARE THE USES THAT ARE BEING TALKED ABOUT TODAY. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. SORRY. THEN I HAVE ANOTHER, WHEN HE SAYS SAND PIT, DO YOU MEAN A COMMERCIAL SAND PIT? A BOTTLE PIT? MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A PLAY PIT FOR OKAY. FOR CHILDREN. NOT LIKE A, NOT LIKE A BORROW PIT. OKAY. OKAY. DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO SHARE ANYTHING? YES. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, WE WE'RE THE SISTERS WHO ARE STARTING THE BUSINESS. SO YOU BOTH ARE GONNA BE SPEAKING? YES, SIR. OKAY. YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF 10 MINUTES. OKAY, NO PROBLEM. OKAY. AND I NEED BOTH OF YOU TO, TO RAISE YOUR RIGHT, TELL US WHO YOU ARE. I'M AMY JORDAN. I'M ANNA WISLA. OKAY. UH, WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE US? I, OKAY. AND SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE WITH US? SO, HOLD ON. SORRY. SO THAT'S JUST SO I CAN KEEP TRACK. OKAY. SO WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS RECEIVED THESE, BUT WE HAVE, WE HANDED ONE OUT TO EVERYONE. UM, I KNOW IT'S A NON-TRADITIONAL IDEA, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALL OF THE RELEVANT INFORMATION ON THE SCHOOL TEACHER. SO LIKE THAT PART COMES NATURALLY. ON THE FIRST PAGE, YOU'LL SEE MICROPHONE ON THE FIRST PAGE, YOU GUYS WILL SEE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IS GOING, THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE USED FOR. ON THE SECOND PAGE, THERE ARE SOME ANSWERS TO CONCERNS THAT WE WOULD HAVE IF THIS WAS COMING NEAR OUR BACKYARDS. UM, AND THE PAGE AFTER THAT IS MOSTLY DIRECTED TOWARD, UM, THE BOARD. AND THAT IS INFORMATION. OH WAIT, THEN THERE'S MEET US. SO YOU KNOW ABOUT OUR FAMILY SINCE WE'RE NOT FROM THE AREA. UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT WOULD BE ANY QUESTIONS WE IMAGINE THAT THE BOARD HAS. SO, UM, THAT IS WHAT YOU GUYS ALL HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. WE'VE CREATED IT WITH YOU IN MIND. SO, UM, AND LIKE I SAID, I AM AMY JORDAN, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU TURN TO THE MIC, PLEASE? I'M SORRY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I FEEL BAD EVERYONE'S BEHIND ME. OKAY. UM, SO I'M AMY JORDAN AND, UH, I'M ANNA WISLA AND WE ARE THE SISTERS BEHIND THE FAMILY HARBOR. UM, IT'S INTENDED TO BE A FARM PARK WITH AN INDOOR PLAY VILLAGE, A CAFE, SMALL ANIMALS AND SEASONAL AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES. UH, BUT BEFORE WE TELL YOU ABOUT THE BUSINESS, WE KIND OF, UM, WANTED TO INTRODUCE OURSELVES AND OUR FAMILIES SINCE THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THIS STARTED. DEFINITELY. SO WE HAVE OUR DAD ALEXANDER HERE TODAY. UM, HE IS THE PATRIARCH OF OUR FAMILY. OUR KIDS CALL HIM POP, UM, AND HE CALLS THE FAMILY HARBOR OUR INHERITANCE, SO WE BETTER MAKE IT GOOD. UM, OUR MOM, CHRIS, AKA GRAHAM IS HERE AS WELL. AND THEY LIVE ON MAIN STREET INTI. AND OUR FAMILY HAS SPENT SUMMERS HERE FOR THE LAST TWO DECADES. UM, I ALSO HAVE MY OLDEST DAUGHTER ELLIOT, HERE TODAY. UM, MY HUSBAND TYLER IS BACK IN NEW MEXICO WITH OUR TWO YOUNG TODDLERS. UM, JAKE AND ALLISON, I'M A FOURTH GRADE TEACHER. TYLER IS A MECHANIC AND OUR FAMILY WOULD BE LIVING ON SITE AT THE FAMILY HARBOR, SO WE WOULD MAKE OUR HOME THERE AS WELL. MM-HMM . UM, MY HUSBAND DEVIN IS HERE, UM, JUST IN CASE THEY GO INTO LABOR. UM, AND WE HAVE THREE CHILDREN. UH, BECKETT IS FOUR, COOPER IS TWO, [01:35:01] AND OUR YOUNGEST EMERSON IS HERE TODAY. UM, I'M A LABOR AND DELIVERY NURSE AND A HOBBY HOMESTEADER, WHICH IS, UH, PROBABLY KIND OF MAKES SENSE BECAUSE AMY AND I GREW UP ON, UM, A SMALL FARM IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA. YES. SO, AND THAT HOBBY, HOBBY FARM IS PROBABLY WHY EVERYONE IS ALL HERE TODAY. UM, IT BECAME A PASSION OF OURS AND HOW WE WANT TO RAISE OUR CHILDREN. UM, WE HAVE THREE, UH, THAT, I'M SORRY. WE SAW THIS PROPERTY FOR SALE OVER 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND THIS YEAR. SO WE PUT OUR KIDS TO BED AND WE DROVE OUT TO SEE IT AND WE STARTED IMAGINING THE SPACE THAT WE COULD CREATE FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. ANNA SAID, LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT IT. LET'S BE ABOUT IT. AND APPARENTLY I TOOK THAT VERY SERIOUSLY BECAUSE SINCE THEN WE HAVE SPENT THE TIME FIGURING OUT WHETHER THIS IDEA COULD WORK RESPONSIBLY ON THIS PROPERTY. WE CARE A LOT ABOUT THAT. SO WE'VE THOUGHT AND WORKED THROUGH SITE PLANS, BUILDING REQUIREMENTS, PARKING, ACCESS, UTILITIES, OPERATIONS, AND COMMUNITY CONCERNS. UH, THE FAMILY HARBOR IS DESIGNED TO FILL A VERY SPECIFIC GAP FOR FAMILIES IN MIMA COUNTY. UM, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL THINGS TO DO IN THE AREA. UM, THERE'S THE BEACHES, THE RESTAURANTS, AMUSEMENT ATTRACTIONS, CAMPING, SHOPPING, SEASONAL ENTERTAINMENT. UM, BUT WHAT IS HARD TO FIND ARE A LOW PRESSURE INDOOR OUTDOOR SPACES WHERE KIDS CAN JUST PLAY AND PARENTS CAN SIT WITH A CUP OF COFFEE OR A SNACK. UH, THE COMMUNITY NEEDS A VENUE THAT SERVES LOCAL FAMILIES IN, YOU KNOW, FEBRUARY JUST AS MUCH AS THE VISITING FAMILY IN JULY. YEAH. SO, AND MY HUSBAND AND I JOKE THAT WHEN WE'RE HERE, OUR KIDS ARE OUTSIDE MAKING THE MEMORIES OF A LIFETIME AND WE SPEND THE ENTIRE TIME TRYING TO KEEP THEM ALIVE. UM, AND THEN WHEN WE TAKE THEM INSIDE A RESTAURANT AND WE PULL OFF AND SIT DOWN, THEN WE'RE THE ONES FIGHTING FOR OUR LIVES, TRYING TO KEEP SIX TODDLERS, UM, TOGETHER, . SO OUR VISION IS KIND OF THE MIDDLE GROUND. UM, IT'S AN INDOOR SOFT PLAY VILLAGE AND CAFE WITH SMALL EVENT SPACES, UM, A FUTURE FARM MARKET, OUTDOOR PLAY AREAS, SHADED SEEDING, SMALL FARM ANIMALS AND SEASONAL CROPS. AND ALONG WITH THE CHILDREN'S PLAY IN GR BOARDS, WE PLAN TO OFFER SPACES FOR HOMESCHOOL GROUPS TO MEET BIBLE STUDIES, HOBBY WORKSHOPS FOR ADULTS LIKE FLOWER ARRANGING OR CHARCUTERIE BOARD MAKING, UM, CHILDREN'S BIRTHDAY PARTIES, AND JUST SMALL COMMUNITY GATHERINGS. MM-HMM . AND TO CLARIFY, THIS IS A PARENT SUPERVISED FAMILY RECREATION SITUATION. THIS IS NOT LIKE DROP OFF CHILDCARE OR DAYCARE. UM, IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR LARGE CROWDS OR MANY PEOPLE AT ONCE. IT WOULD BE A STEADY TRICKLE OF FAMILIES VISITING VERSUS A FIRE HOSE OF PEOPLE COMING ALL AT THE SAME TIME. AND IT'S ALSO VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO US THAT THE PROPERTY IS RESPECTED AS RURAL OPEN SPACE. UH, MOST OF IT IS GOING TO REMAIN AGRICULTURAL. THE MAIN ACTIVITY OF OUR BUSINESS WILL BE CENTERED AROUND THE EXISTING BARN AT THE HEART OF THE PROPERTY. UM, AND PART OF THE PROPERTY IS ALREADY ZONED FOR BUSINESS. SO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT IS NEEDED IS NEEDED BECAUSE THE EXISTING BARN SITS ON THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION, NOT THE BUSINESS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. AND I ALSO WANT, UM, TO POINT OUT WITH LIKE THE AGRICULTURAL ANGLE, UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MAP THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, THE COLORFUL POLYGONS MAKE IT LOOK LIKE WE ARE BUILDING A TON ON THE PROPERTY. BUT OUR GOAL IS TO NOT BUILD A TON. WE WANNA TAKE THE LAND THAT'S THERE AND USE IT AGRICULTURALLY AND GET CHILDREN CONNECTED WITH THE NATURE AND THE AGRICULTURAL SIDE OF THE EASTERN SHORE. UM, THE COAST IS A BIG PART OF IT, BUT AGRICULTURE IS A BIG PART OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. UM, AND SO REGARDING OURS OF OPERATION, THIS IS A DAYTIME VENUE, NOT A NIGHTLIFE ATTRACTION OR A CONCERT VENUE. WE ARE NOT NIGHTLIFE PEOPLE. WE HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN AND WE ARE ALL ASLEEP BY 9:00 PM EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. UM, SO IT WOULD BE MORE OF OPERATING DEPENDING ON SEASON AND WHEN DUSK FALLS BETWEEN 8:00 AM AND 8:00 PM WITH ALL EVENING ACTIVITIES AFTER DUST MOVING INDOORS INSIDE THE STRUCTURE. UM, AND TO ADDRESS THE NOISE CONCERNS, WE DON'T NEED AMPLIFIED MUSIC OR SOUND TO RUN OUR BUSINESS. THAT IS NOT THE KIND OF BUSINESS THAT WE'RE RUNNING. UM, THE LOUDEST NOISES YOU WOULD HEAR WOULD BE THE SOUNDS OF KIDS PLAYING. UM, AND ALSO OUR TRACTOR. UM, AND WE DID SOME RESEARCH INTO DECIBEL LEVELS AND CHILDREN PLAYING ON THE PLAY STRUCTURE IN THE HEART OF THE PROPERTY WOULD NOT EXTEND THE ACREAGE OUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IT SHOULD BE WELL CONTAINED WITHIN THE 36 ACRES THAT WE HAVE. UM, AND PARKING IS PLANNED AT THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT ACCESS AND TRAFFIC FLOW FROM THE STATE MAINTAINED HICKMAN FARM ROAD MUST MEET COUNTY AND BDOT REQUIREMENTS. AND WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM DILIGENTLY TO DO SO. AND TYLER AND I, MY HUSBAND TYLER, UM, WE WOULD LIVE [01:40:01] ON THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S NOT SOMEWHERE THAT WE PLAN TO CLOCK IN AND CLOCK OUT OF. UM, THIS WOULD BE OUR HOME AS WELL WHERE WE'RE RAISING OUR CHILDREN. SO, UM, IN CLOSING, UM, I JUST KIND OF WANT EVERYONE TO VISUALIZE THIS WITH ME. , UM, THE FAMILY HARBOR AT THE HEART OF IT IS, UM, SORRY, . UM, I'M AGAIN VERY PREGNANT. SORRY. UM, IT'S A MOM ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND DRINK COFFEE, UM, AND NO NEED A BREAK. OKAY. SO IT'S A MOM DRINKING COFFEE WHILE HER TODDLERS PLAY NEARBY ON A SNOWY WINTER MORNING. SHE HAS SOMEWHERE TO TAKE THEM INSIDE. UM, IT'S A FAMILY STOPPING BY AFTER CHURCH TO SHARE A GRAZE BOARD, FEED THE CHICKENS, PICK WILD FLOWERS, AND LET THEIR KIDS PLAY OUTSIDE. UM, IT'S A VISITING FAMILY IN THE SUMMER, SPENDING THE MORNING AT THE BEACH, GOING HOME FOR NAP TIME, AND STOPPING BY THE FAMILY HARBOR IN THE LATE AFTERNOON TO SIT IN THE SHADE WHILE THEIR KIDS RIDE AROUND THE TRICYCLE TRACK. UM, IT'S GRANDPARENTS LOOKING FOR SOMEWHERE TO TAKE THEIR VISITING GRANDKIDS WHEN IT RAINS. IT IS WORKING. PARENTS BUYING A MEMBERSHIP AND BRINGING THEIR KIDS TO PLAY WHILE THEY ANSWER A FEW EMAILS NEARBY. UM, IT'S A HOMESCHOOL FAMILY COMING FOR A STEM ACTIVITY, A CLASS VISITING THE PUMPKIN PATCH, A BIRTHDAY PARTY WITH FARM ANIMALS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS PLAYING BOARD GAMES IN THE CAFE ON A RAINY AFTERNOON, A BREAKFAST WITH SANTA, GOT ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT. IT WAS BREAKFAST WITH SANTA VINCE. UM, AND IF POP GETS HIS WAY, THERE WILL BE BIRDWATCHING. AND GRAHAM ALREADY HAS HER HEART SET ON FIRE, FIGHT CATCHING. WE WANNA BUILD A CALM AND USEFUL PLACE WHERE CHILDREN CAN PLAY, FAMILIES CAN SPEND TIME TOGETHER, AND THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THIS PROPERTY CAN REMAIN PART OF WHAT MAKES THE EXPERIENCE SPECIAL. AND TO US, THAT IS WHAT THE FAMILY HARBOR IS FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, EVERYONE WILL BE IN BED AND HOME BY 9:00 PM I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. YES, SIR. ON, ON THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE, YOU SAID YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING TO LIVE ON SITE, BUILD A HOUSE ON SITE. CORRECT. WHERE DOES THAT GO? SO CURRENTLY THERE ARE TWO RESIDENTIAL PARTS PARCELS ATTACHED, UM, TO THE PROPERTY AS IT'S SOLD. SO IT'S THREE PARCELS. SO THERE IS THE RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME BUSINESS, AND THEN THERE ARE TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS INCLUDED IN THE SALE. OKAY. SO WE WOULD BE ON THE PART ON ONE OF THE PARCELS. OKAY. BUT IT'S NOT ON WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE, CORRECT? CORRECT. IT'S IN THE, IT'S THERE, IT'S LIKE IN THE CORNER, BUT IT'S NOT OKAY OUTLINED. MM-HMM . ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. UH, YOU MENTIONED, UH, A SEA BOLT. YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT PART OF ITS ZONE. COULD, COULD, COULD WE HAVE ALL THE CONVERSATIONS, UH, JUST KIND OF QUIET OR IF YOU NEED TO TALK YOU CAN GO OUTSIDE. YOU, YOU MENTIONED SOME OF IT WAS ZONED BUSINESS. YES, SIR. YEAH. OKAY. UM, YEAH, SO THE FRONT PART OF THE LOT, UM, IS ZONED FOR BUSINESS FRONT BEING. SO THE FRONT, I'M SORRY, THE SIDE CLOSEST TO SHIITE ROAD. SO THE RED PORTION OF IT IS ZONED ALREADY FOR BUSINESS. SO BUSINESS ZONING STARTS FROM ROUTE 1 75 AND GOES 500 FEET BACK BEYOND THAT. OKAY. 500 I THOUGHT IT WAS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GRACIE? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL GOOD. UH, WE, WE, WE HAVE 14 PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO TALK. WE NEED YOU TO BE, UH, AS YOU KNOW, EXPEDIENT WITH YOUR WORDS AS POSSIBLE. YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM OF FOUR MINUTES. MANY OF YOU I THINK, HAVE ALREADY SENT IN LETTERS. AND SO, UH, THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM, IS IT ANGEL ABEL. YOU WILL COME GIVE US YOUR NAME. ANGIE ABEL. OKAY. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? YES, SIR. ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE US. YES, SIR. OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE WITH US? UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ANGIE ABEL, RESIDENT OF SHIN CREEK ISLAND AND THE REALTOR REPRESENTING THE PROSPECTIVE PURCHASERS OF THIS PROPERTY. I WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT MY ROLE, BUT I'M NOT SPEAKING HERE SIMPLY BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SALE COMPLETED AFTER REVIEWING THE FAMILY'S PROPOSAL. I GENUINELY BELIEVE IT COULD BE SOMETHING POSITIVE FOR A COMMUNITY. THE FAMILY HARBOR IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A CONCERT VENUE, NIGHTCLUB, CAMPGROUND, APARTMENT COMPLEX, OR HEAVILY COMMERCIALIZED ATTRACTION. IT IS DESIGNED AS A LOW KEY FAMILY ORIENTED PLACE WHERE CHILDREN CAN PLAY, LEARN ABOUT NATURE AND AGRICULTURE, AND SPEND MEANINGFUL TIME INDOORS AND OUTDOORS WITH THEIR FAMILIES. THE PLAN INCLUDES A PUMPKIN PATCH, CORN MAZE, WILDFLOWER AND POLLINATOR GARDEN, SUNFLOWER FIELD, SMALL ANIMAL ENCLOSURES AND NATURE-BASED PLAY AREAS. ANOTHER HIGHLIGHT IS [01:45:01] THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESERVE MUCH OF THIS 34 ACRE PROPERTY IN A PEACEFUL PARK-LIKE SETTING OPEN, WOODED PLANTED, OR DEVOTED TO AGRICULTURAL, RATHER THAN SEEING THE ACREAGE DIVIDED INTO MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT. WHEN MY CHILDREN WERE YOUNGER, WE LOVED VISITING PUMPKIN PATCHES AND CORN MAZES, BUT WE HAD TO TRAVEL ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF TO ENJOY THEM. IF I'M BLESSED WITH GRANDCHILDREN, THIS IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF PLACE I WOULD WANT TO TAKE THEM. I UNDERSTAND THAT NEIGHBORS HAVE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, NOISE, AND PRIVACY. THOSE CONCERNS DESERVE TO BE HEARD AND ADDRESSED. WHAT HAS IMPRESSED ME WITH THIS APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE OPEN TO PRESERVING AND ADDING NATURAL BUFFERS, TREES, AND LANDSCAPING TO PRE TO PROVIDE SCREENING PRIVACY AND SOUND REDUCTION. PARKING IS CONTAINED ON THE PROPERTY AND LIMITED TO ABOUT 30 VEHICLES. THIS IS NOT DESIGNED TO ATTRACT HUNDREDS OF VISITORS, EVEN IF EVERY SPACE WERE OCCUPIED FOR AN OCCASIONAL BIRTHDAY PARTY, THAT WOULD NOT BE UNLIKE A PRIVATE GATHERING IN SOMEONE'S BACKYARD. THE PROPOSED OPERATION WOULD OCCUR PRIMARY DURING, DURING DAYTIME AND EARLY EVENING HOURS. GENERALLY FROM 9:00 AM TILL 6:00 PM THERE WOULD BE OVERNIGHT CAMPING, NO OVERNIGHT CAMPING. TYPICAL SOUND WOULD COME FOR FAM FROM FAMILIES AND CHILDREN PLAYING AND NORMAL FARM ACTIVITIES, NOT LATE NIGHT ENTERTAINMENT. I PERSONALLY FIND THE LAUGHTER OF CHILDREN TO BE A BEAUTIFUL SOUND. HOWEVER, I ALSO RESPECT THE NEIGHBOR'S RIGHT TO PEACE AND PRIVACY. I BELIEVE BOTH CAN COEXIST THROUGH REASONABLE HOURS, ATTENDANCE AT ATTENDANT LIMITS, NATURAL SCREENING, AND CONTINUED COMMUNICATION. THIS PROPOSAL PRESERVES THE RURAL AND AGRICULTURAL CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY WHILE PROVIDING LOCAL FAMILIES WITH SOMETHING OUR AREA PRESENTLY LACKS. IT IS A BEGINNING PLAN AND THE APPLICANTS REMAIN WILLING TO MAKE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WILL PROMOTE NEIGHBORHOOD HARMONY. I'VE WITNESSED THIS FROM THE FAMILY MYSELF FOR THOSE REASONS, NOT MERELY BECAUSE I REPRESENT THE BUYERS, BUT I RESPECTFULLY SUPPORT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE FAMILY HARBOR. AND I APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR MAINTAINING THE TIME. IS IT SHE PATTON? I HOPE I GOT YOUR NAME RIGHT. SHERRY . DID YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME? SHERRY PATTON. OKAY. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. SO YOU, GOD, ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE I DO. OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE WITH US? OKAY. SO FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS, I HAVE RESIDED AT 80 12 HICKMAN FARM ROAD. AND THAT IS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS PROPOSED PROJECT. SO I GREW UP THERE, I'VE RAISED BOTH OF MY KIDS THERE, SECURE IN THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THIS WAS A QUIET, PEACEFUL, SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND AS THE PERSON LIVING ACROSS FROM THIS PROJECT, I DO NOT WANT TO OPEN MY FRONT DOOR AND SEE THIS VIEW EVERY DAY. NOR DO I WANT TO HAVE THE EXCESS TRAFFIC THAT IS LITERALLY IN FRONT OF MY DRIVEWAY. , THEY'RE, THEY'RE OPENING ON OUR ROAD IS LITERALLY MY DRIVEWAY. SORRY. I AM LIKE LOSING MY SPOT IN MY NOTES. HOLD ON A SECOND. UM, SORRY. JUST BEAR WITH ME A SECOND. OKAY. SO THIS IS A NOT OF VIEW I CARE TO SEE EVERY DAY WHEN I OPEN MY FRONT DOOR. UM, WE DON'T WANT THE EXCESS TRAFFIC. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE PROPOSED BUSINESS TO HOST FAMILY GATHERINGS IS NOT WANTED OR NEEDED ON OUR ROAD. WE ALREADY HAVE TWO COFFEE SHOPS AND A CAFE AT THE OTHER END OF OUR ROAD RIGHT OFF, UM, THE ROAD THAT LEADS TO NASA. I'M NOT SURE WHAT ROAD THAT IS. SO THE IDEA OF ADDING A BUSINESS TO A WELL-ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE MOST OF THE OCCUPANTS ARE ELDERLY IS PREPOSTEROUS TO ME. YOU MAY BE IN BED BY 9:00 PM BUT MOST OF OUR OCCUPANTS ARE IN BED BY SEVEN. UM, SO I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ME AND MY FAMILY WHEN I SAY THAT WE DO NOT WANT THE ADDED TRAFFIC AND ADDED NOISE, THE ADDED PEOPLE, THE ADDED DISRUPTION, NOR THE POSSIBILITY OF PROPERTY VALUES DECREASING THAT THIS BUSINESS WOULD BRING TO AN OTHERWISE PEACEFUL AND QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE'RE OPPOSED TO IT. THANK YOU. OLIVIA, WOULD YOU GIVE US YOUR FULL NAME, PLEASE? OLIVIA GAZELLE. OLIVIA, DO YOU SWEAR TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. SO HELP YOU OUT ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE? YES. OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE? UH, I HAVE LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MY ENTIRE LIFE WITH MY FAMILY, WHO I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF. EVERYONE LIVES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF HOW QUIET AND PEACEFUL IT IS. THIS TOURIST ATTRACTION WOULD BE VERY LOUD AND DISRUPTIVE. UH, MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD USES WELL SYSTEMS FOR WATER. SO WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE QUALITY OF OUR WATER GREATLY DECREASING. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'LL BE A PETTING ZOO, WHICH WILL CAUSE [01:50:01] AN EGREGIOUS SMELL THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, WE ALREADY DEAL WITH TERRIBLE TRAFFIC FROM SHIITE ROAD, AND THIS WOULD MAKE IT EVEN WORSE. SO MY FAMILY'S IN FULL DISAGREEMENT WITH THIS TAURUS ATTRACTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. GET MY GLASSES ON. YOU MAY LOOK. I CAN MAKE OUT WEST SOMETHING WEST. OKAY. I'M SORRY. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TELL ME YOUR NAME. I'M LINDA WEST SHIPLEY. OKAY. YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HANDWRITING. NOW, I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND . DO, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE I DO. YES. UM, MY NAME IS LINDA WEST SHIPLEY AND I AM HERE REPRESENTING, UH, MY BROTHER STEVE WEST AND MY FATHER WILLIAM WEST. UM, WE, UM, MY BROTHER AND I ARE TRUSTEES OF THE WEST FAMILY TRUST, WHICH OWNS THE PROPERTIES AT 3 3 3 1 1 AND 3 3 3 0 9 SHT ROAD. SO THE, UM, THE, UH, HICKMAN FARM LANE, WHICH WOULD BE THE INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR THIS PROJECT IS, UM, 1, 2, 3 HOUSING LOTS EAST OF, UM, OF OUR TWO PROPERTIES. UM, WE MOVED THERE WHEN I WAS NINE YEARS OLD, WHICH AS YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL, WAS A FEW YEARS AGO. SO, UM, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF LONGEVITY TOSSED AROUND. WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR AT LEAST 56 YEARS. AND MY 93-YEAR-OLD FATHER, UM, CURRENTLY RESIDES IN THE HOME. UM, I'M THERE, UM, TAKING CARE OF HIM AND, UM, WE JUST, I WANT, I'M HERE TO EXPRESS, UM, I THINK THIS IS A LOVELY IDYLLIC NOTION THAT BELONGS ON AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY. UM, TAKING SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND PLUNKING IT DOWN RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHICH WAS, UM, WAS NOT EVEN A RESIDENTIAL AREA WHEN I FIRST STARTED, UH, LIVING THERE BACK WHEN I WAS NINE YEARS OLD. UM, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLACING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA ATTRACT A LOT OF TRAFFIC, UH, TO PROBABLY THE BUSIEST ROAD IN AKIMA COUNTY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ROUTE 13. UH, ROUTE 75, 1 75. IF YOU HAD LIVED THERE FOR THE PAST 56 YEARS, YOU COULD MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON THE TRAFFIC AND THE WAY THAT IT'S CHANGED. I'VE UNFORTUNATELY SEE SEEN A CHILD DIE ON THAT ROAD, UM, WITH MY OWN EYES. AND, UM, I I JUST FEEL THAT TAKING A BUSINESS LIKE THIS AND PLUNKING IT DOWN IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA LIKE THIS IS GOING TO ADD TO TRAFFIC PATTERNS THAT ARE ALREADY REALLY CONCERNING. UM, ADDITIONALLY, I'VE, I'VE GOT, I, I FEEL LIKE THIS OPENS A WINDOW OR A DOOR TO, UM, TO POSSIBILITIES THAT GO BEYOND THE PROPOSED HOURS. UM, I'D QUESTION WHAT A SPECIALTY DRINK IS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY PROPOSE SELLING IN THEIR CAFE. AND I, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE HEART OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, BUT I THINK IT OPENS THE DOOR TO THIS BEING, BECOMING SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY. AND I REALLY ASK THAT YOU GUYS WOULD CONSIDER, STRONGLY CONSIDER NOT GRANTING THIS AND THESE PEOPLE TAKING AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND A MUCH MORE SUITABLE LOCATION SOMEWHERE ON AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY, NOT SURROUNDED BY A RESIDENTIAL AREA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU PETE. PETE BALE. PETE, DO YOU, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD ON ALL MATTERS? I DO. IN MY BEST SOUTHERN ALABAMAN ACCENT FOR YOU. . SORRY. OKAY. SO I'M THE LARGEST, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. UH, ON, ON THIS PROPOSAL. MY TWO THINGS ARE LIABILITY AND TRESPASS. OKAY? SO WE'VE GOT KIDS RUN AROUND, RUN ONTO MY PROPERTY, WHAT HAPPENS? BREAK AN ANKLE. WE'VE GOT, UH, PONDS BACK THERE, UM, FOR, UH, STORM WATER, KID DROWNS WHO OWNS IT? MACK SHOULD LOOK AT THIS. YOUR GOVERNMENT PROPERTY BACKS ONTO THAT LIABILITY. OKAY? THEY'RE THE THINGS THAT WORRY ME. UM, THE OTHER PART, IT'S A GOOD NOTION. WE'RE ALL ABOUT FAMILIES. WE'RE ALL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOGETHER. UM, YOU'LL READ MY LETTER IN YOUR PACKET. UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE ENJOY THE ENVIRONMENT THAT'S THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AIMING TO ACHIEVE. UH, I'M NOT A DEVELOPER. I DON'T THINK THESE FOLKS ARE DEVELOPERS. UM, BUT [01:55:01] WE BOUGHT WHERE WE BOUGHT FOR A REASON AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. THAT'S IT. THANKS. THANK YOU. DIRE, I KNOW THAT NOW GARY GARVEY, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE US? I DO. OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE WITH US? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, MINE'S GONNA BE REAL, REAL SHORT AND SWEET. IT'S ABOUT THE RV SPACES WAS WHAT, WHAT MINE WAS ABOUT BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC ON SHAKY TAG. SO MY, UM, RECOMMENDATION, NO THANK YOU. OKAY. AUSTIN. AUSTIN PATTON. AUSTIN, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE I DO. OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE, AUSTIN? FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO SAY I'M NOT RELATED TO SHARE YOU THERE SO WE'RE NOT HOGGING UP ALL THE MICROPHONE UP HERE. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS. UH, THEY'VE REMOVED THE RV SITES FROM THEIR PLANS. WILL THEY ALLOW DRY CAMPING? FOR THOSE OF US THAT DON'T KNOW, DRY CAMPING HAS WHEN AN RV PARKS IN A FIELD OR PARKING LOT AND DOESN'T RECEIVE POWER, WATER AND SEWAGE MUCH LIKE YOU SEE AT, UH, WALMART OR CRACKER BARREL WHERE THEY LET PEOPLE STAY OVERNIGHT, ARE THEY GONNA ALLOW THAT ONCE THIS IS UH, ESTABLISHED? AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, THEY HAVE ADDED SEASONAL FESTIVITIES TO THEIR WEBPAGE. FESTIVITIES OR FESTIVALS ATTRACT HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, IF NOT THOUSANDS, WHERE WILL THESE PEOPLE PARK? BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE 30 PARKING SPOTS ON THEIR PLAN AND THEN ALSO BATHROOM FACILITIES. DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE GONNA GET PORTA-POTTIES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SMELL THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? A LITTLE OVER A MONTH AGO, I HEARD ABOUT THE FAMILY HARBOR. AFTER LOOKING OVER THEIR PLANS, I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THEIR BUSINESS VENTURE IS NOT WHAT'S BEST FOR MY FAMILY, MY NEIGHBORS AND MY COMMUNITY. WEEKS AGO I WAS DISCUSSING THE ISSUES OF THE FAMILY HARBOR WITH MY NEIGHBOR TAMMY HUDSON. AND JUST LIKE ME, SHE WASN'T TOO THRILLED. SINCE THEN, TAMMY'S BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH AN ILLNESS AND IS NOW RESTRICTED TO A WHEELCHAIR. I FELT THAT MY FRIEND NEEDED ME AND NEEDED TO BE HEARD EVEN IF SHE COULDN'T MAKE IT TODAY. SO I GENERATED A PETITION ON TIMMY'S BEHALF AND I SHARED THE FAMILY HARBOR'S PLANS WITH ALL MY NEIGHBORS. AND ONCE YOU KNOW IT, A MAJORITY OF THEM HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT. AFTER SOME DISCUSSIONS AND PLAN REVIEWS, I WAS ABLE TO GATHER 32 SIGNATURES ON MY PETITION. THAT IS EVERY HOUSEHOLD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES OF 8,005 HICKMAN FARM ROAD, EVERY SINGLE HOUSEHOLD SAID NO TO THE FAMILY HARBOR. JOINING OUR COMMUNITY, THEY TALK ABOUT ESTABLISHING A SAFE PLACE FOR FAMILIES TO GATHER AS A FATHER AND A VETERAN. I COULD TELL YOU WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE EMAIL COPIES OF THE PETITION TO YOU AND I HAVE THE ORIGINALS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT TO THE BOARD TODAY. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THEIR ACCESS OR PERMIT. OKAY? UH, TO, TO THE APPLICANT. YOU WILL HAVE A FEW MINUTES TO RESPOND, SO ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANNA RESPOND TO, YOU WILL GET A CHANCE TO DO THAT AFTER WE'RE DONE. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, JOHN HOLT. JOHN HOLT, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD. SO ME GOD. OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE TO THE APPLICANTS? WHAT A BEAUTIFUL IDEA. ANYTHING FOR CHILDREN. I LOVE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? CHILDREN, I LOVE IT. MY CONCERNS ARE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE'S. IS, IS THAT HITMAN, FARMLANDS A SMALL ROAD, BUT BY SPEAKING TO THEM, THEY'RE GOING TO TALK TO VDOT OF ANOTHER ACCESS OR EXPANDING THE ROAD. AND THE RV PARK WAS IN THE PROPOSAL. NOW IT'S OUT OF THE PROPOSAL. WE'LL COME BACK INTO THE PROPOSAL AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE 30 PARKING LOTS. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY DON'T WANT TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. THEY'RE NOT THERE TO MAKE MONEY. RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT THERE TO MAKE MONEY. IF YOU'RE THERE TO MAKE MONEY, THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IN ANYTHING THEY CAN. YOU KNOW, TIMES ARE HARD, MONEY'S MONEY. AND IT'S NOT ONLY THAT, IT'S THINGS THAT WHERE IT STARTS AND WHERE IT ENDS UP AT. IT STARTS WITH THIS, THIS BEAUTIFUL LITTLE IDEA FOR CHILDREN. THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THERE'S FESTIVALS, BANDS, YOU KNOW, WHAT A BEAUTIFUL IDEA. AND I, I REALLY HATE TO GO AGAINST THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE FOR CHILDREN. AND I, AND I LOVE IT, I LOVE IT. BUT HICKMAN FARM LANE'S TOO SMALL OF A ROAD. THERE'S A TURN COMING IN. I I HAVE THAT TRAILER RIGHT ACROSS FROM IT, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE DRIVEWAY. I GOT THE TRAILER RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER AND I JUST REMODELED IT AND READY TO DO IT, MOVE INTO IT. MY 91-YEAR-OLD MOTHER WHO WE LIVE ON, ON UH, FLEMING ROAD AND [02:00:01] 1 75. AND HOW MANY ACCIDENTS DO YOU SEE THERE? HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DIED THERE? OKAY. AND THAT'S A STRAIGHT SHOT. THAT'S A STRAIGHT SHOT. YOU CAN SEE BOTH, BOTH WAYS. COMING AT HICKMAN FARM LANE, YOU HAVE THAT TURN COMING AROUND, RIGHT? AND, AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET KILLED THERE. AND I'M AFRAID CHILDREN, THEIR CAR IS GOING TO GET HIT. TRYING TO, IF THERE WAS ANOTHER ACCESS GOING INTO THEIR IDEA FROM 13 1 75, I DON'T KNOW. MY, YOU KNOW, MY FEELINGS WOULD BE CHANGED. BUT YOU IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, CARS AND COMING IN, TURNING THERE AND EVERYTHING, THERE'S SOMETHING I JUST GONNA GET KILLED THERE. SOMEBODY AS WANT TO BE KILLED THERE AND I HATE TO SEE A FAMILY WITH THE CHILDREN BEING KILLED THERE. THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY. THANK YOU. UM, THOMAS CLARK, JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. THOMAS CLARK. THOMAS. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO GOD? I DO. OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE? UH, IN REFERENCE TO WHAT THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER JUST SAID ABOUT THE ENTRANCE TO, UH, THE HICKMAN FARM LANE, I LIVE ON THE BACKSIDE OF JUSTICE FARM LANE, WHICH MERGES WITH HICKMAN FARM LANE. IT COMES OUT ON MILL DAM ROAD. UM, IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD. THREE OF US LIVE ON THAT AND WE MAINTAIN OUR OWN ROAD. THE, IT'S ONLY ABOUT A 20 FOOT INGRESS I TWO MILL DAM ROAD. WHEN PEOPLE FIND THEY CAN'T COME OUT ON HICKMAN FARM TO THIS EVENT, THEY'RE GONNA START COMING THE OTHER DIRECTION. AND IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR TWO CARS TO PASS. IT'S A SINGLE LANE ROAD. UH, WE HAD THE COUNTY COME OUT AND INSPECT LOOKING AT THE LANDFILL AND THEY TOLD US THAT THE CULVERT WAS GOING BAD, THAT I'M RESPONSIBLE TO REPLACE THIS. IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD AND WHEN THEY START COMING IN, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE, THE PUBLIC WILL TAKE THE EASIEST WAY OUT AND THAT'S JUST NOT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE GOING. I'M ALL FOR THIS, IT'S JUST IN THE WRONG NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AND WITH THAT, I'M JUST GONNA LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS. IT WAS A GOOD IDEA, BUT CONCEPTUAL, I DON'T THINK IT'LL SUPPORT ITSELF IN THE PRESENT FARM. OKAY, THANK YOU KEVIN. I'M KEVIN HOLBERT. KEVIN, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH OF GOD ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE US? I WILL. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SHARE? THANK YOU. I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 11 YEARS AND I WOULD SAY LIKE ALL THE RESIDENTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE TO USE SPECIAL CARE WHEN COMING TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND LEAVING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON HICK HICKMAN FARM ROAD. I LIVE ON HICKMAN FARM ROAD. I'M ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY SO I CAN SEE THE PROPERTY AND SO ON. MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS, AND I'VE SENT SOME PICTURES IN VIA EMAIL. I DUNNO IF THE EMAIL REACHED YOU, BUT THOSE PICTURES ARE, UM, SCREENSHOTS I TOOK ALONG, UH, ROUTE 1 75 CHIN TEAGUE ROAD, WHICH SHOWS THE ACCESS TO HICKMAN FARM ROAD COMING AROUND A BLIND CURVE WHERE THE ROAD IS INITIALLY BLOCKED BY A LARGE TREE AND THE CURVATURE OF THE ROADWAY MEANS THAT IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND HICKMAN FARM ROAD EASILY. EVEN FOR ME, I'VE LIVED THERE 11 YEARS AND I HAVE TO USE A LOT OF ATTENTION TO FIND MY OWN ROAD BECAUSE THERE'S A, AN ADJACENT DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS BLACK TOPPED RIGHT TO THE WEST, WHICH LOOKS LIKE A STREET. IT'S ACTUALLY MY NEIGHBOR'S BLACKTOP DRIVEWAY. HICKMAN FARM ROAD IS ESSENTIALLY INVISIBLE AS COMPARED TO THE OTHER DRIVEWAYS. IT'S SIMPLY INAPPROPRIATE. AND I'M AS CONCERNED ABOUT CHILDREN AND THEIR WELFARE AS ANYONE ELSE. BUT I'LL TELL YOU THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE HURT BY THIS, AND THIS WOULD BE ON EVERYONE'S CONSCIENCE, IT'S GONNA BE A MINIVAN FULL OF CHILDREN THAT GETS SMASHED AT THE INTERSECTION OF HICKMAN FARM ROAD AND ROUTE 1 75. 'CAUSE IT'S SO DANGEROUS TO STOP THERE. I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THE LAST QUARTER MILE AS I'M APPROACHING HICKMAN FARM ROAD FROM THE WEST, I'M LOOKING IN MY REAR VIEW MIRROR TO SEE WHO'S BEHIND ME. HOW CLOSE ARE THEY? ARE THEY TAILGATING ME? BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY IF YOU'VE GOT A NINE MILE ROAD, UH, LONG EXPRESSWAY OF 55 MILES AN HOUR, THEY'VE POSTED 45 MILES AN HOUR IN WATVILLE NEAR THIS AREA. NOBODY SLOWS DOWN. EVERYONE'S GOING 55 TO 60 MILES AN HOUR PAST HICKMAN FARM ROAD. IT MEANS THAT THE DANGER OF SOMEONE, UH, REAR ENDING A VEHICLE WAITING TO TURN ON HICKMAN FARM ROAD, [02:05:01] WHICH HAS NO TURN LANE, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET OFF THE ROADWAY SAFELY TO ALLOW THE OTHER TRAFFIC TO PASS AT 55 MILES AN HOUR. AND THERE'S NOT EVEN A SAFETY ROOM FOR SAFETY. THE SHOULDER IS SO NARROW. EVEN IF SOMEBODY DISCOVERS TOO LATE THAT THEY'RE GONNA SMASH INTO THE BACK OF A VEHICLE WAITING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN, THEY CAN'T GET OFF THE ROADWAY 'CAUSE THERE'S A GUARDRAIL AND A NARROW SHOULDER. THEY'LL HIT THE VEHICLE AND IT'S GONNA BE AN SUV OR OR VAN FULL OF CHILDREN. I DON'T WANT THAT ON ANYONE'S CONSCIENCE. I SALUTE THEIR IDEA. IT'S A WONDERFUL DREAM. IT BELONGS ON A PARCEL, PROBABLY DOWN ATLANTIC ROAD WHERE THERE'S A FLAT AREA WHERE THERE'S A WIDE ROADWAY, WHERE THERE'S ROOM TO TURN ON AND OFF THE ROADWAY. I AGREE WITH MY OTHER NEIGHBORS. I KNOW THAT THIS IS GONNA DRIVE TRAFFIC INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE OPPOSITE END, ATTEMPTING TO USE A PRIVATE ROAD. SO I'M URGING YOU TO DENY THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING SOMEDAY WE'LL ALL REGRET THE TERRIBLE ACCIDENTS THAT'S GONNA OCCUR AT THAT INTERSECTION. UH, BY THE WAY, ONE FINAL THING. IT'S DIRECTLY UNDER THE FLIGHT PATH OF THE FIELD CARRIER LANDING PRACTICE FOR THE MILITARY. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE TOO HAPPY WHEN THEY DISCOVER HOW MANY AIRCRAFT ARE GONNA BE CIRCLING OVER THEIR PARCEL AND THE, AND IT'S GONNA BE VERY DISTURBING. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. IS IT RALPH? I AM RALPH BEMORE. I RALPH. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE US? I DO. OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE? UH, EIGHT DAYS FROM NOW, IT'LL BE A YEAR. I MOVED IN THAT HOUSE. I LIVE ON 8 0 4 5 HICKMAN FARM ROAD. I CLEARED OUT 11 TREES ON THAT PROPERTY. I'M TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP THE BEST I CAN. UM, I LOVE THE IDEA THAT THEY HAVE. I THINK MY KIDS WOULD LOVE IT, BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE PLACE TO PUT THAT IDEA, THE TRAFFIC THAT IT WOULD BRING. JUST LIKE HE WAS SAYING, SHT ROAD, I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS A KID THAT PUTS THEM ON A BUS ON SHT ROAD. AND I FEAR FOR THAT CHILD EVERY DAY I PUT HER ON THAT BUS, I COUNTED SIX TIMES TO MY RANDOM SCHOOL BUS LAST YEAR. EVERY YEAR IT'S GONNA GET WORSE, BUT THERE'S A SMALL LIEN RIGHT BEFORE THEIR ONLY ACCESS POINT THAT GOES THAT WAY. AND I HAVE A FEELING WITH GPS, SO MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TURN DOWN THIS LITTLE LANE THINKING THAT THEY'RE THERE AND THEY'RE NOT. AND THEY'RE GONNA BE TURNING AROUND IN MY DRIVEWAY. THE OTHER GUY'S DRIVEWAY THAT LIVES BEHIND ME, IT'S A MESS. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S THE PLACE TO PUT THAT. HONESTLY. I LOVE THE IDEA AS MUCH AS MY KIDS WOULD PROBABLY LOVE IT, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE TO SALISBURY TO THE PUMPKIN PATCH EVERY YEAR, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT. THAT'S A VERY DANGEROUS ROAD PULLING ON SHT ROAD. I MEAN, DANGEROUS, IF THERE'S ANOTHER ACCESS TO IT, IT, IT MIGHT BE IDEAL, BUT I JUST, I I'M NOT FOND OF THE IDEA AND OBVIOUSLY WITH EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS HOUSE HAS SIGNED A PETITION, NOT ROLLING WITH IT. I MEAN THAT'S, I MEAN, COME ON. THAT'S, THAT'S THE R ON THE WALL FOR YOU. I MEAN, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SEAN WILLIAMS. HEY THERE, MS. SEAN WILLIAMSON. I'M, YEP. RIGHT HAND PLEASE. YEP. DO YOU SWEAR SO THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. SO HELP YOU GUIDE ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE US. I DO. OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE? ALRIGHT, SO I LIVE AT 8 0 1 9 HICKMAN FARM ROAD. IT IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, MY CONCERNS, LIKE MANY OTHERS ARE THE NOISE, THE TRAFFIC, AND ALSO THE LONGEVITY OF THE BUSINESS. THIS PLAN HAS CHANGED MULTIPLE TIMES. IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS IN THE INITIAL PROPOSAL. AND ADDITIONALLY, THE TWO PARCELS THEY MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO LIVE ON ARE DIRECTLY BEHIND OUR HOUSE. THERE'S NO ACCESS DEPICTED IN ANY OF THE PLANS FOR THOSE PARCELS WHERE THEIR DRIVEWAY'S GONNA GO. ALL THAT. UH, FOR THOSE REASONS I'M OPPOSING IT. THANK YOU. IS IT HEATHER WILLIAMS? WOULD YOU TELL US WHAT YOUR NAME IS? 'CAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE I DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT. THAT'S OKAY. HI, MY NAME IS HEATHER WILLIAMSON. I, I DID OKAY. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH? NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SIR. SO IF YOU, GOD ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE. YES, SIR. OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE? HELLO, MY NAME IS HEATHER WILLIAMSON AND I LIVE AT 8 0 1 9 HICKMAN FARM LANE IN WALLOPS ISLAND. I'M A DIRECTLY ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER TO THE PRO PROPOSED FAMILY HARBOR PROJECT. MY BIGGEST CONCERNS ARE PRIVACY, SAFETY, TRAFFIC. AS MOST [02:10:01] EVERYBODY HAS STATED IN THE PAST, THE NOISE A LONG-TERM STABILITY IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M GONNA FEATURE A BL TODAY AND TALK ABOUT IT. MY FAMILY CURRENTLY ENJOYS A VERY PRIVATE AND SECLUDED HOME IF THIS PROPERTY BECOMES REGULARLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. I STRONGLY BELIEVE SUBSTANTIAL YEAR-ROUND PRIVACY SCREENINGS SHOULD BE REQUIRED ALONG ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, INCLUDING PRIVACY, FENCING, ESTABLISHED HEDGES, TREES, AND A COMBINATION OF THOSE MEASURES, AGAIN, FOR PRIVACY. UM, I ALSO WANNA RAISE A CONCERN ABOUT LONG-TERM STABILITY. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A FORECLOSURE OR A PROPERTY IN A SIMILAR STATE OF DISTRESS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM US. THAT MAKES ME QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF ANOTHER LARGE PROPERTY INTERMEDIATE AREA CHANGES HANDS, FALLS INTO DISARRAY AND IS LEFT UNMAINTAINED. I'M BRINGING THE QUESTION WHETHER THE PARTNERSHIP AND OWNERSHIP STRUCTURE BEHIND THIS PROPERTY HAS A LONG-TERM ABILITY TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE FIRST SEVERAL YEARS AS THOSE THAT ARE IN THE AREA. BEING A BUSINESS OWNER, IT'S HARD FOR THAT FIRST FIVE TO SEVEN A PROPERTY APPROACHING A MILLION DOLLAR PURCHASE PRICE BECOMES WITH SIGNIFICANT AND FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS. IF THE CURRENT BUSINESS MODEL DOES NOT PERFORM AS ANTICIPATED, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? WOULD THE OWNERS SEEK TO PIVOT TO ANOTHER USE SUCH AS RV SITES, EXPAND EVENTS, LODGING, OR ANOTHER HIGH INTENSITY OPERATION IN ORDER TO MAKE THE PROPERTY FINANCIALLY VIABLE? I BELIEVE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS DESERVE CLARITY ABOUT WHETHER APPROVAL OF THIS PROPOSAL COULD ULTIMATELY CREATE A PATHWAY FOR SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT USES LATER. IF THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT IS NOT FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE VIA THE PREVIOUSLY NARRATIVE OF INCLUDING THE PRIMITIVE RV SITES, WHICH I AM VERY AWARE ARE OFF THE PROPERTY AS OF RIGHT NOW OF THE PROPOSALS. BUT IN THE FUTURE, WHAT COULD IT LOOK LIKE? I ASKED THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF SEEING TURNOVER AND INSTABILITY AROUND PROPERTIES IN OUR AREA. ONE OF THE REASONS I CHOSE TO LIVE HERE WAS BECAUSE I WANTED A SENSE OF COMMUNITY. I WANTED TO KNOW MY NEIGHBORS, RAISE MY FAMILY AROUND, FAMILIAR PEOPLE, AND FEEL INVESTED IN THE PLACE WHERE WE LIVE. MOST IMPORTANTLY, I BELIEVE THE APPROVAL SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SETBACKS, OPERATION HOURS, PRIVACY PROTECTIONS AND MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES, AND A REQUIREMENT OF ADDITIONAL ZONING REVIEWS IF THE INTENSITY OR THE TYPE OF USE SUSTAINABLY CHANGES IN THE FUTURE. WE NEED A PLAN, NOT A NARRATIVE OF IDEAS BEFORE WE APPROVE ANYTHING. MY REQUEST IS SIMPLE. PLEASE CONSIDER NOT ONLY WHETHER FAMILY HARBOR CAN EXIST HERE, BUT HOW IT WILL CO-EXIST WITH FAMILIES WHO ALREADY LIVE BESIDE IT AND WHAT PROTECTIONS REMAIN IN PLACE IF THE ORIGINAL BUSINESS MODEL DOES CHANGE. I'M NOT ASKING THE BOARD TO SIMPLY SAY NO. I'M ASKING THAT IF THE ANSWER IS YES, IT'D BE A RESPONSIBLE YES. THAT PROTECTS FAMILY HARBOR'S OPPORTUNITY WHILE ALSO PROTECTING THE PRIVACY, SAFETY, PROPERTY RIGHTS, STABILITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE ALREADY CALLED THIS AREA HOME. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. THANK YOU, WAYNE. YES, MY NAME IS WAYNE BRADS. WAYNE, DO YOU SWEAR, SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD AND ALL MATTERS? YES, I DO. YES. I I'M THE OTHER NEIGHBOR THAT LIVES ON THE OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTY TO WHAT THEIR, JUST THAT, THAT'S NOT WHY I MOVED THERE. I MOVED THERE EIGHT YEARS AGO. I BOUGHT MY HOME BECAUSE IT'S QUIET. IT'S VERY QUIET. I'M RIGHT ON THE CORNER. I HAVE PRIVACY, THIS SIDE, PRIVACY HERE. NOW THEY WANT TO TAKE ALL THIS AND PUT IT DIRECTLY IN MY BACKYARD. I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA WORK. AND LIKE ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID, THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE TOO MUCH, WAY TOO MUCH BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION, DRIVE THERE YOURSELVES FULL ON HICKMAN FARM AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT EVERYONE'S SAYING. THE TRAFFIC IS IS NOT GONNA WORK. PRETTY MUCH. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. I WANNA THANK THE PUBLIC FOR, UH, ADHERING TO OUR POLICIES, UH, THE APPLICANTS. YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS, UH, ANY ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT, UH, BEFORE, AND THEN WE WILL HEAR ANYTHING CLOSING FROM . SHE'S GONNA GO FIRST. OH, NO, NO, AT THE END. OH, I SEE. OKAY. YES. OKAY. SO I DEFINITELY HEAR THAT ALL OF YOU GUYS HAVE MANY CONCERNS. WE, WE REALLY NEED YOU FACING FORWARD. I'M, I'M, IT'S REALLY HARD NOT TO TALK TO. OKAY. SORRY. SO, UM, ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE PRESENTED ARE EXTREMELY VALID. UM, I JUST WANNA TOUCH, LIKE RV WAS MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES. UM, I KNOW EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IT'S OUT, BUT AS FAR AS THE DRY CAMPING QUESTION GOES, UM, WE WOULD NOT BE DOING ANY CAMPING WHATSOEVER. WE HEARD THE NEIGHBORS THAT THAT IS A CONCERN. SO THAT IS COMPLETELY OFF THE TABLE. UM, I'M SORRY. IT BECAME SUCH A BIG ISSUE IN THE FIRST PLACE. UM, AND I, IT WAS AN IDEA OF HOW TO SHARE THE PROPERTY WITH PEOPLE WHO HAD OUR PASSION FOR, UM, NATURE AND AGRICULTURAL LIVING. UM, SO AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE BOARD AND FOR THE COMMUNITY. I HEAR YOU ABOUT TRAFFIC. UM, I DEFINITELY WANT THIS [02:15:01] TO BE A SAFE BUSINESS FOR FAMILIES. UM, AND I'M WONDERING IF WE GET SEPARATE ACCESS. WE'VE HAD A PROPERTY OWNER WITH AN ADJACENT PROPERTY, UM, EXPRESS INTEREST IN GIVING US ACCESS TO OUR PROPERTY THROUGH THEIRS. UM, SO IF THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS A CONDITIONAL WAY TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION. AND AS FAR AS MOVING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE, UM, WITH THE WORRIES OF THE BUSINESS FAILING AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN OR WHAT WOULD WE PIVOT TO? UM, WE ARE VERY OPEN TO HAVING IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, CERTAIN LIMITATIONS SUCH AS NOISE CONTROL, HOURS OF OPERATION IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THAT. OH, AND THEN WATER. UM, AS SOMEONE MENTIONED, WATER, I, OUR PLANS WOULD NOT CHANGE MATERIALLY FROM THE 20 STALL BARN AND THE HORSES THAT WERE PLANNED TO BE THERE ORIGINALLY. WE SHOULD USE ABOUT THE SAME WATER AND WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE SEPTIC OR THE WATER SYSTEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, FIRST A TECHNICAL POINT UNDER THE ZONING CODE, UM, ON AVAILABLE USES IN RESIDENTIAL, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A LIST OF, OF USES THAT ARE AVAILABLE BY, BY WAY OF SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THIS ONE OR THESE USES ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED. UM, IT RATHER IT COMES UNDER THE CATCHALL. SO THE ZONING CODE DOES NOT, I GUESS, ATTACH ANY PRESUMPTION THAT THIS SHOULD BE, UH, A USE AVAILABLE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT. UH, WE DO HAVE THE CATCHALL THAT ALLOWS ANYBODY TO ASK FOR ANYTHING IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING AREA OR, OR RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREA. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HERE. UM, NO MATTER HOW WELL INTENTIONED THE APPLICANTS ARE, UM, INTENTIONS CHANGE, LIFE CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE, OWNERSHIP CHANGES. SO WHATEVER, IF, IF THE BOARD WAS TO GRANT ANY OF THESE USES, I THINK THE BOARD HAS TO ASSUME THESE USES ARE GOING TO BE MAXED OUT, UM, TO WHATEVER THE BOARD, UH, GRANTS. SO THAT, AND I THINK HOWEVER, OR WHATEVER LIMITATIONS ARE PUT ON THESE USES, IT WOULD STILL BE BURDENSOME TO THE NEIGHBORS. IT WOULD CREATE A HARDSHIP FOR THE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE IN A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED, OR, WELL, SOME OF THEM ARE IN A UNFORTUNATELY BUSINESS ZONE. BUT THESE USES WOULD ALL BE IN A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREA. AND I THINK THERE IS AN EXPECTATION WHEN YOU HAVE A HOUSE IN A ALLY ZONED AREA THAT YOU ARE NOT GONNA HAVE A BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, COME UP BEHIND YOU IN A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREA. THANK YOU. PAUL. CJA COMES BACK UNLESS WE HAVE QUESTIONS. ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? CAN I ASKS? YEAH. UH, TWO QUESTIONS. ONE IS, IF THE REALTOR'S STILL PRESENT, I OWNED A BUILDING ON 1 75 AND THERE'S ACCESS THROUGH SOME OF THOSE LOTS TO THE BACK. MM-HMM . YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH HICKMAN FARM ROAD, BUT, AND THIS IS FOR STAFF FAMILY HARBOR SOUNDS VERY MUCH LIKE WHAT S HALLS FARM STAND IS DEVELOPING INTO AND WHAT IS THAT ZONING? THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT ZONED AG? THAT IS ZONED AG YEAH. BECAUSE THEY SOUND VERY SIMILAR. YEAH. FOX HALL FARM IS, SO, IS ZONED AG OKAY. AND A LOT OF THOSE USES ARE BY RIGHT? BECAUSE AGRITOURISM IS, IS, I THINK IT'S BASICALLY BY RIGHT. IN AG, WHICH IS, WE'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL SECTION HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, WE, OVER THE YEARS WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS WITH, UH, THE SAME SCENARIO. ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL PRESENTATIONS. YOU TWO SHOULD HIRE OUT AS A BUSINESS, UH, AND A GREAT IDEA. AND THESE THINGS GO FROM SHOOTING RANGES TO SIMILAR THINGS. GREAT IDEA, WRONG LOCATION, AND UH, YOU KNOW, SO WE, WE WANT TO HELP. THAT'S OUR JOB IS TO, TO HELP THE COMMUNITY AND TO HELP YOU. BUT, UH, I DON'T SEE THE, THE TRAFFIC ISSUE AS THE REAL POINT HERE. THE POINT IS, IT'S IT'S OWN, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL, WE'VE HAD AT LEAST 14 PEOPLE SPEAK AND THAT'S NOT EVERYBODY THAT LIVES AROUND THERE. AND IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA. SOMETHING ZONED AGRICULTURE IN A MORE REMOTE LOCATION. WE SEE THESE OTHERS, OTHER LOCATIONS UP AND DOWN THE SHORE WHERE THESE THINGS ARE, AND THEY'RE ALL IN, IN AGRICULTURAL AREAS. UH, I THINK YOU, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU TWO, YOU OR YOUR FAMILY HAS TAKEN THIS WITH [02:20:01] UNFATHOMABLE, UH, ENTHUSIASM AND UH, AND IT SHOWS HERE YOUR PRESENTATION AND EVERYTHING IS WONDERFUL. BUT, UH, IT, IT'S HARD FOR US AS A BOARD WITH THIS RESOUNDING OPPOSITION TO, TO, TO GO WITH IT. IT REALLY IS. AND UH, AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'RE ALL ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND SUPPORTING AND EVERYTHING. AND IT'S JUST LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT LIVED THERE SAID HE DRIVES UP THE ROAD. RIGHT? SO THERE'S A HOLE IN THE MARKET, RIGHT. AND WHICH V HALL IS, IS FILLING IT. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S OWNED AGRICULTURE. ONE OTHER COMMENT AND HELP ME OUT WITH THIS SYN ENGINE, IF I CAN FIND IT THAT STICKS OUT TO ME, IS, UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE YES. INDUSTRIAL AREA. YES, SIR. SO, I, I TELL THE PEOPLE ON HICKMAN LANE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE BATTLE, BUT YOU GOT ANOTHER BATTLE. ALRIGHT, YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT. ARE WE READY FOR, WITH THAT SAID, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE THAT THE MACK COUNTY BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS DENY SUSE 0 0 0 1 2 4 DASH 2 0 26, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PURSUANT TO AKIMA COUNTY CODE SECTION 1 0 6 DASH 7 8 12 FOR USE OF, FOR ANY USE OF LAND AND OR ANY PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY LOCATION OF ANY TYPE OF BUILDING OR FACILITY THEREON, WHICH IS NOT SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED WITHIN THIS CHAPTER TO, TO ALLOW FOR A PLAYGROUND CORN MAZE PETTING ZOO. YOU, YOU CAN STOP AFTER, AFTER THAT CHAPTER. OKAY. THERE WE GO. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CAN I SAY SOMETHING BEFORE VOTE OR HAVE TO VOTE? YOU NEED TO VOTE. I NEED TO VOTE. YEAH. OKAY. UH, I, OKAY, BUT CAN I SAY SOMETHING THEN? LET, LET, LET ME FINISH AND THEN I'M GONNA GET IT. THE, THE MOTION HAS BEEN DENIED. OKAY. NOW NELSON? YEAH. TO THE APPLICANTS. I WAS HEAD OF THE CHAMBER FOR TWO YEARS AND YOU'RE THE KIND OF PEOPLE WE'RE PANTING TO GET DOWN HERE, ENTREPRENEURS AND YOUNG. PLEASE FIND ANOTHER AREA AND ANOTHER FARM AND COME BACK. THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT IS, AM I GONNA SAY, UM, UH, YOU JUST SAID THE MOTION IS TO DENIED. I THINK THE PERMIT IS, OR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS DENIED THE PRESSURE. YES. DENIED. I'M SORRY. YEAH. I'LL GIVE, GIVE EVERYBODY A SECOND TO PEEL ON OUT. GREAT. WE SOME BREAK. CAN WE BE PROBABLY ANOTHER 10 MINUTES? OKAY. OKAY. WHO'S THAT? OKAY. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE BREAKS IN MY HEART. THERE'S TWO. NO, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES. SO WE, WE ARE STILL IN SESSION AND SO IF YOU COULD BE QUIET AS YOU'RE EXITING, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. GOOD. OH, GREAT. ABSOLUTELY. GREAT, GREAT CONCEPT. LOCATION, YOU NUMBER. YEAH, I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT, YOU SHOULD LOOK AT IT AND ZAG, BUT NO, I MEAN, YOU'RE THE KIND OF PEOPLE WE NEED THAT. GREAT. C AND GOOD LUCK ON THE OTHER ISSUE YOU'VE GOT COMING PEOPLE. FIRST THING YOU NEED TO DO IS GO IN AND RUN AND DIME THE NEIGHBORS AND TRY TO BRING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I GOT A NEIGHBOR. OKAY. GIN AS WE PREPARE TO MOVE FORWARD. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT NEXT MONTH. UH, WE'VE GOT ABOUT THE SAME CASELOAD FOR NEXT MONTH WITH THE TWO DEFERRED CASES. [02:25:01] I BELIEVE WE'RE BACK UP TO EITHER NINE OR 10. UM, YEAH. SO, UH, BASICALLY WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE, COUPLE SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITHOUT PRIMARIES. WE'VE GOT, UM, ACCESSORY DWELLINGS WITH ASSOCIATED VARIANCES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. OF COURSE THE TWO DEFERRED CASES, UM, FROM TODAY. OKAY. UM, SO MOVING ON, WE'LL GO TO OTHER MATTERS. UM, AS YOU WERE TOLD AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, WE HAVE RULES OF PROCEDURES THAT NEED TO BE ADOPTED. OKAY. UM, THAT'S FOR, THAT'S BASICALLY FOR REMOTE PARTICIPATION, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH. I'M GONNA BE LEAVING YOU IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES WHETHER WE'RE FINISHED OR NOT. SO, UH, I, I, I THINK ON, ON THAT, UH, LET ME, I HAD A NAME. OKAY. WAS IT, UH, YEAH, THE, THE ARTICLE TWO, THE MEETING, THE REMOTE PARTICIPATION, THAT WAS KIND OF THE MAIN THING. YES. AND THEN, UH, WAS IT SOME, UH, STUFF AROUND, UH, VACANCIES, UH, SECTION FI BELIEVE THAT'S, I BELIEVE THAT'S RIGHT. AND, AND THEN SPECIAL, UH, USE PERMIT, SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS. COUNTY CODE. THERE WAS A COUPLE THERE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. YEAH, A COUPLE ALTERATIONS. OKAY. AND, AND SO, UH, OTHER THAN APPROVING, UH, THE REMOTE, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO ABOUT THOSE OTHERS? UH, YOU COULD JUST APPROVE. I MEAN, IF YOU VOTE TO APPROVE THAT DOCUMENT AS SUBMITTED, THAT IS WHAT WOULD BECOME OKAY. OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE. SO YOU COULD JUST VOTE ALL AT ONCE. OKAY. I, I'VE BEEN LOOKING OVER ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THAT? ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? EVERY BOARD I SERVE ON HAS HAD TO DO THIS. YES. LEE PAM, A DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. UH, MR. GALE MADE THE POINT THAT I WAS JUST ABOUT TO MAKE IS THAT, UM, THESE ARE THE EXACT SAME REMOTE PARTICIPATION POLICIES FOR THE, UH, FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE WAPS RESEARCH PARK LEADERSHIP COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE THAT. THE PARK HAS THE SAME ONE. SURE. SO THIS ALL FLOWS DOWN FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING, ANY, ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT ANYBODY ELSE IS DOING. AND SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, UH, I MOVE. WE ACCEPT THE PRESENTATION MADE TODAY OF THE AKIMA COUNTY BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS RULES. THE PROCEDURE ADOPTED MAY, 2018. I SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THAT'S OKAY. SO NEXT THING IS ELECTION OF A SECRETARY. YES. UM, IT CAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT COULD BE ONE OF YOU OR YOU COULD DEFER TO THE STAFF. YES. CIE, I KNEW THAT WE ELECT MR. PAUL WATSON AS SECRETARY OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. P DO WE HAVE A SECOND? IS THAT YOUR CURRENT ARRANGEMENT? SECOND . AS, AS, AS A POINT OF ORDER. CAN WE DO A NOMINATION SO THAT HE CAN, UH, OKAY. FOR THE RECORD, WE CAN DO THAT. SURE. FOR, FOR ROBERTS RULES, I NOMINATE MR. PAUL WATSON AS SECRETARY OF BOARDS OF APPEAL. I MOVE THAT THE NOMINATIONS BE CLOSED. I'LL SECOND. SECOND WILL YOU? I, I GUESS I ACCEPT AND WE'LL SERVE IF THE VOTE GOES MY WAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN DONE. IT DOESN'T GO. OKAY. SO THAT'S THAT. CONGRATULATIONS PAUL. THANK YOU PAUL. . UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE AS FAR AS THE STAFF REPORT. UM, LADY, YOU GOT ANYTHING AS FAR AS THE STAFF REPORT? I'M JUST, UH, FREEHANDING IT HERE. OKAY. SO ANYWAY, UM, SAME STAFF REPORT THAT I USUALLY GIVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IN TERMS OF SUBDIVISIONS, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MAJOR, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DUNCAN MANOR, WHICH IS BEING CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN A REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. UM, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, THE STAFF CONTINUES TO WORK ON MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LIKE LOT LINE ADJUSTMENTS, FAMILY SPLITS, THAT KIND OF THING. SO NOTHING MAJOR RISING TO THE LEVEL OF PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS IN, UH, IS IN PROGRESS, IS IN FULL SWING. MR. GALE MADE, UH, ALSO MADE THE POINT DURING THE LAST CASE ABOUT THAT ONE PIECE BEING A FUTURE LAND USE OF INDUSTRIAL, WHICH, UH, IS ACTUALLY SOUTH OF [02:30:01] A PIECE OWNED BY THE COUNTY FOR THE WAFS RESEARCH PARK. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE, THAT THE PUBLIC IS, UH, IS, IS KEEPING IN MIND, THEN THIS IS THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY, WE THINK THAT FUTURE LAND USE SHOULD BE CHANGED TO SOMETHING LESS INTENSE AND MORE TO THEIR COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SUCH. UM, FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, WE ARE HAVING TWO NEW STAFF MEMBERS START ON TUESDAY. WE'LL BE MAKING THAT ANNOUNCEMENT HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, UH, AS TO WHO THEY ARE. BUT, UM, THAT WILL BRING US UP TO HAVE STRENGTH IN ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS. WITH THAT BEING SAID, CONCLUDES MY REMARKS AND I CAN FIELD ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. IF, IF I HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN QUESTION, WHO DO I SPEAK TO? ME OR SHANTE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . AND, UH, AND, AND PAM IS ALSO WORKING, UH, UH, HEAVILY ON THAT AS WELL. SO IF WE'RE NOT AVAILABLE, BUT YOU WANT TO GET THE QUESTION TO US, THEN PAM CAN ALSO GET THE QUESTION TO US. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF WE HAVE KNOW THE BUSINESS REPORTS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I MOVE. WE ADJOURN. SECOND. ALL THE FAVOR? AYE. AYE. I GET THE VOTE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.