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THE ORDER OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WORK SESSION, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE NORTHERN ACCOMACK WATER WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN.AND I'M FOLLOWING THE AGENDA EVEN THOUGH IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE DO.
UH, I'M GONNA ASK THAT WE STAND AND DO OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
AND THEN I'M GONNA ASK, UM, THAT WE DO OUR INVOCATION.
UH, WE'LL HAVE, UH, UH, MR. CROCKETT DO OUR INVOCATION.
THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
DEAR GOD, BLESS US MEETING AND ALLOW US TO DO OUR WORK THROUGH YOUR WILL.
I GUESS THE NEXT ONE, OUR AGENDA IS TO, UH, IS TO ADOPT THE AGENDA.
IT'S BEEN MOVING PROPERLY SECOND THAT WE ADOPT OUR AGENDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AND THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED.
UH, WE'RE DOWN TO NEW BUSINESS, UH, DISCUSS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NORTHERN, UH, ACCOMACK WATERWAYS MASTER PLAN.
AND I THINK THIS IS WHY DEPUTY, UH, STUART HALL, UH, TAKES OVER.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
AGAIN, STEWART HALL, PUBLIC WORKS AND FACILITIES.
UH, TONIGHT'S TOPIC IS WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE FOR THE NORTHERN PERS - PORTION OF ACCOMACK COUNTY.
UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK THE BOARD FOR HAVING THE MEETING TONIGHT.
I KNOW YOUR TIME IS VERY VALUABLE AND, UM, UH, YOU HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, BUT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE ABLE TO DEVOTE A WORK SESSION TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF IT.
SO, UH, IN REGARDS TO FORMAT TONIGHT, I'M GONNA GO OVER, UM, A DRAFT AGENDA PORTION OF, OF THE, UM, OF THE, UM, UH, PRESENTATION, THE POWERPOINT.
AND THEN, UM, I'M GOING TO, UH, TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT RECAPPING WHY WE'RE HERE.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, UH, WE HAD A STRATEGIC PRIORITIES REVIEW MEETING LAST NOVEMBER AT SHINGOTIG, AND THERE WERE SEVERAL, UH, STRATEGIC PRIORITIES THAT WERE TIED, UH, TO THE SAME, UH, ALONG THE LINES OF THE SAME TOPIC.
AND THEN I'LL INTRODUCE, UM, REPRESENTATIVES FROM KIMLEY-HORN, OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER CONSULTANTS.
WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS HERE, UH, FROM THAT TEAM TONIGHT.
AND, UM, THEY'LL BE THE ONES GETTING INTO THE DETAILS, THE, THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF THE PRESENTATION AND, UH, FACILITATING THE DISCUSSION.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANT THIS TO BE, A DISCUSSION.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH A NUMBER OF THINGS TONIGHT AND, UH, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, BUT WE, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC AND, AND IN AGREEMENT MOVING FORWARD.
WE DON'T WANNA GET WAY FAR DOWN A PATH AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, WHOOPS, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANTED STAFF, UH, AND CONSULTANTS TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
SO THIS IS MEANT TO BE A, A WORKING MEETING.
SO, UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND JUMP RIGHT INTO IT.
HERE'S THE DRAFT AGENDA THAT I MENTIONED.
SO, UM, IN A MOMENT I'LL SHARE A FEW SLIDES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY DEVELOP A WATER AND WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN.
AND, AND, AND AGAIN, THE SPOILER ALERT IS THAT IT'S PART OF THE BOARD'S STRATEGIC PRIORITIES.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS, UM, AND KIMLEY-HORN WILL BE COVERING THESE ITEMS, REVIEWING, UH, THEIR PROJECT SCOPE OF WORK IN THE PLANNING AREA.
INVENTORY EXISTING FACILITIES.
THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD TIME FOR ME JUST, JUST TO MENTION BRIEFLY THE NASA WASTEWATER SYSTEM AND, UM, FORCE MAIN THAT RUNS FROM THE MAIN BASE, UH, DOWN AND OVER TO WALLOPS ISLAND.
UH, THAT, UM, THE SCOPE OF THIS PLAN IS MUCH LARGER THAN THAT ONE OPTION.
UM, NASA AND HRFD, HRSD HA- HAVE BEEN MEETING FOR SOME TIME TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBLE TRANSFER OF THE ASSETS AND THE OPERATION FROM NASA TO HRSD.
THEY'VE BEEN HAVING MONTHLY, UM, CONFERENCE CALLS, MICROSOFT TEAMS MEETINGS, AND, UM, BOTH MYSELF AND, UH, MR. TOLBERT, UH, TOWN MANAGER FOR TOWN OF SHENKOTIG HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING ON THOSE.
BUT AS FAR AS HARD OUTCOMES FROM THOSE MEETINGS, UM, I CAN REPORT THAT, UM, NASA HAS CONFIRMED THAT THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO, UM, THE, THE PARCELS THAT, UM, VIRGINIA SPACE RECENTLY ACQUIRED, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN REFERRING TO AS THE DARBY FARM, WHICH NOW I THINK THEY'RE CALLING THE, THE MIC, THE MARS INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
BUT THERE'S BEEN NO DECISIONS ON, ON QUANTITY, AMOUNT OF FLOW THAT THEY CAN HANDLE.
AND, UH, THAT'S IMPORTANT AND I'LL, I'LL GET INTO THAT, UM, IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES.
SO KIMLEY-HORN WILL BE INVENTORYING THOSE EXIST- EXISTING FACILITIES OF, OF WHICH THE NASA PLANT AND FOREST MAIN ARE, ARE PART OF THAT.
THEY'LL GET INTO SERVICE AREA PLANNING
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AND, AND, UH, RECOMMENDED PHASING, UM, THE WASTEWATER FACILITY PLANNING AND CONSENSUS BUILDING.UM, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, OUTCOMES FOR THIS MEETING, WE'LL, WE'LL HOPE THAT, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE SOME CONSENSUS AND, AND THAT STAFF WILL HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION ON, ON NEXT STEPS SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE, MOVE THIS DOWN THE LINE.
UM, THEN WE'RE INTO, UM, UH, THE WATER SYSTEM PLANNING.
WASTEWATER AND WATER GO HAND IN HAND, SO WE'LL GET INTO THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES.
SO AGAIN, JUST A FEW SLIDES FROM YOUR, UM, UH, MEETING ABOUT A YEAR AGO ON AND THESE ARE JUST A FEW SLIDES FROM THAT, WHICH KIND OF TIE INTO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
SO, UH, ONE OF THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES WAS EXPAND PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, EXPAND CENTRALIZED WASTEWATER OPTIONS.
OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A DIRECT CONNECTION TO THAT.
AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE TEXT THERE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NORTHERN ACCOMACK.
AND I'M NOT GONNA READ, READ THESE, UM, WORD FOR WORD, BUT, UM, WE HAVE A LITTLE STATUS UPDATE AT THE BOTTOM, AND I'LL JUST HIT, HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS.
BUT STATUS, THE NASA WASTEWATER PLANT IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION THE SHORT TERM, AND HRC IS NOT WILLING TO ASSUME OPERATION OF A NEW NORTHERN ACCOMACK TREATMENT SYSTEM, EVEN IF THE COUNTY PAYS FOR ITS CONSTRUCTION.
UM, CONSULTANT, BEING KIMLEY-HORN, HAS BEEN HIRED TO EVALUATE OPTIONS AND PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION ON NEXT STEPS.
SO LET ME DISSECT THAT FIRST SENTENCE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED THESE, THESE MONTHLY CALLS.
THE, UH, PLANT ITSELF IS PERMITTED TO HANDLE 300,000 GALLONS PER DAY.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT NASA HAS, HAS BEEN WORKING HARD IN, IN THE CURRENT YEAR TO MINIMIZE THE, UH, INFILTRATION AND INFLOW INTO THE SYSTEM, INI, FROM STORM WATER.
AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD HISTORICALLY, UM, WHEN WE HAVE A COASTAL STORM LIKE A NOR'EASTER, THEY'VE BEEN TREATING 200,000 GALLONS PER DAY.
YOU MIGHT ALSO RECALL THAT WHILE IT'S RESEARCH PARK, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT, THE COUNTY HAS AGREED WITH NASA TO TREAT UP TO 60,000 GALLONS PER DAY.
AND WE KNOW THAT NASA'S GOING TO HAVE SOME RESERVE CAPACITY, UM, AND NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST PROVIDE SERVICE FOR, UM, THE OTHER ENTITIES.
SO ALL THIS TO SAY THAT I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF CAPACITY THERE, EVEN, EVEN IF THEY ARE ABLE TO TRIM THE INI, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE, MAYBE, UM, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME SERVICE, BUT I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE, HUGE AMOUNT THERE.
MR. HALL, UH, YOUR STATUS THERE, UH, W- WHY IS HAMPTON ROAD SANITATION DISTRICT NOT WILLING TO TAKE OVER A PLANT SHOULD WE BUILD ONE? YEAH.
BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE OVER NASA'S PLANT.
SO THAT'S THE SECOND PIECE OF IT.
UM, AND THEN, AND ASIDE FROM NASA, THEY'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH TOWN IN SHINKATIG FOR OPERATION OF THAT PLANT OVER THERE.
UM, BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE T- THEY'RE TELLING US, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY STRUGGLE WITH SMALLER SYSTEMS. THEY KNEW, UM, THE NASA AND, AND THE SHINKATIG ITEM WERE, WERE HIGH ON PRIORITY LIST FOR THIS AREA, BUT THEY'RE ALSO GETTING, UH, REQUESTS FROM OTHER AREAS OF THE DISTRICT.
AND, UM, BASICALLY WHAT I'M HEARING IS, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR EXPERIENCE AND FOCUS HAS BEEN ON LARGE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS IN THE TIDEWATER AREA, LARGE, UM, TRANSMISSION PIPES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POSSIBILITY OF SAY A 300,000 GALLON PER DAY PLANT AND MAYBE DOING IT IN PHASES, 100,000, WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT DOESN'T REALLY GET THEIR ATTENTION.
UM, NOW, THEY, THEY LEFT THE DOOR OPEN.
I MEAN, I'M HOPING THAT THEIR ATTITUDE MIGHT CHANGE AT SOME POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ACCOMACK COUNTY, BUT, UM, THEY, THEY BASICALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED IN TAKING ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, BUT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THE BOARD.
AND, AND AS YOU MAY KNOW, WE HAVE EXAMPLES RIGHT, RIGHT ON THE EASTERN SHORE OF, UM, CONTRACT OPERATIONS WITH PUBLIC UTILITIES, CAPTAIN'S COVE, YOU'VE GOT CAPE CHARLES, OTHER PLA - AND THEN YOU GET UP IN EASTERN SHORE OF MARYLAND, THEY HAVE CONTRACT OPERATORS.
SO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WENT TO HRC FIRST.
THE, THE COUNTY HAS A RELATIONSHIP AND, AND, AND WE'RE PART OF THAT DISTRICT, BUT THEY SAID AT THIS TIME THEY WEREN'T REALLY INTERESTED IN, IN LOOK, IN, IN GOING INTO, UM, ADDITIONAL SMALL, SMALL TREATMENT SYSTEMS. THANK YOU.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT I THINK, UH - GO AHEAD, MR. PARK.
BUT DON'T WE ALMOST, WITH THE AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH THEM, DON'T WE HAVE TO GO TO THEM FIRST? I MEAN, YOU ALMOST - NO.
NO, I DON'T KNOW IF JAN WANTS TO COME.
BUT WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH THEM AND - OKAY.
YEAH, THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED.
AND THEN MY SECOND PART OF THAT, STUART, IS MAKING SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS.
UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE I&I, BUT THAT'S IN - YEAH.
IS THAT ACCESS TO THE CAPACITY THAT'S BEING RESERVED FOR THE DARBY FARM, THE MIC, OR IS THAT ALSO IMPACT NOW? NO, BEFORE ANYTHING WITH THE DARBY FARM THEY'VE BEEN TREATING 200,000 GALLONS PER DAY.
AND, AND THE, THE EQUIPMENT, IF I, I MENTION OR MAKE IT CLEAR, YOU KNOW, THE PERMITS FOR 300,000 GALLONS PER DAY, UM, THE FOLKS WHO'VE A -
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LOOKED AT THE EQUIPMENT SAY IT'S ONLY CAPABLE OF DOING 250,000 GALLONS PER DAY.SO LIKE I SAY, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF FLOW THERE.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME BUT NOT A LOT.
AND, AND OF COURSE THE UNCERTAINTY AND DEALING WITH THE FEDERAL AGENCY AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT.
SO WE, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, STAFF IS STAYING INVOLVED, MONITORING THAT, HELPING ANY WAY WE CAN, BUT WE'RE BASICALLY HAVE BEEN CHEERLEADERS ON THE SIDELINES FOR THAT EFFORT, SO.
UM, ALL RIGHT, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR THAT SLIDE.
SO, UM, THIS ALSO TIES IN, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CURRENT FOCUS ON NORTHERN ACCOMACK ON THE CHILD, CHILDCARE AVAILABILITY AND, AND CERTAINLY HAVING FAC - HAVING, UH, SERVICES AVAILABLE WOULD HELP A, UH, CHILDCARE CENTER.
UM, AS FAR AS STATUS, THERE WAS FUNDING SET ASIDE, AS YOU KNOW, AND THE FIRST, FIRST, UH, ATTEMPT AT, AT ROUND TWO GROUND AWARD WAS UNSUCCESSFUL.
SO CURRENTLY EVALUATING OP - UM, ALTERNATIVES.
AND I BELIEVE THIS IS THE LAST ONE.
SO ENCOURAGE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, PREPARE WALLOPS RESEARCH PARK PARCEL FOR IMMEDIATE USE.
UM, AND THIS GOES INTO, UH, DEFINITIONS OF TIER FOUR AND TIER FIVE SITES, BUT BASICALLY HAVING SITES READY TO GO FOR POTENTIAL, UM, BUSINESS PROSPECTS THAT WOULD COME INTO THE AREA.
AND AS FAR AS STATUS, UM, UH, THE PRIORITY WAS INITIALLY DEFERRED, UM, PENDING THE OUTCOME OF, OF CONFIDENTIAL DISCUSSIONS, UH, WHICH YOU HAD WITH A, UH, A PARTICULAR PEN - POTENTIAL BUSINESS PARK PROSPECT.
IT'S NOW BACK ON THE PARTY LIST.
AND, UM, YOU ALSO HAVE A $987,000 APPROPRIATION FOR AN ACCESS ROAD THAT WOULD CONNECT TO THE RUNWAY, UH, THAT'S NOT IMMEDIATELY NEEDED, BUT IT, IT HAS BEEN ALLOCATED.
AND THIS TAKES US TO THE, UH, UH, NOT THE BOARD'S AGENDA, BUT THE AGENDA FOR THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION PORTION.
AND SO NOW I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE FOLKS FROM, UH, KIMLEY-HORN.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE THREE HERE.
WE HAVE, UH, CHRISTINA BOWLER, UM, MIKE GAFFNEY, TED NITZA, AND THEY'RE ALL FROM KIMLEY-HORN.
AND SO I'LL INTRODUCE THEM, AND I GUESS IT'S MIKE, ARE YOU GONNA BE THE MAIN PERSON? TED, ALL RIGHT, GOOD DEAL.
UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS, UH, UH, TED NITZ.
I'M AN ENGINEER WITH KIMLEY-HORN.
WE DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE THIS EVENING AND TALK WITH Y'ALL, UM, ABOUT THIS.
UM, WE'LL START WITH THE, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE SCOPE OF, OF THE, UM, UH, THE STUDY, THE WORK, THE MASTER PLANNING THAT, UH, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO.
UM, IT STARTS WITH ESTABLISHING A, A MASTER PLANNING FRAMEWORK, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF START TO FINISH AS TO HOW THE MASTER PLANNING EFFORT WILL BE, UH, APPROACHED.
UM, THE, THE NEXT PART IS THE, THE INVENTORY OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES, BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER, UH, TO KNOW WHAT, UH, IS AVAILABLE AND, UH, CAN BE WORKED WITH, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY, REGARDLESS OF OWNERSHIP, UM, UH, FROM THOSE.
UM, ASSESS THE, UH, THE SERVICE NEEDS OR SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF, UH, WHAT KIND OF, UH, SIZING OR, UH, TYPES OF, UH, WASTEWATER AND WATER, UH, YOU KNOW, FACILITIES, UH, WOULD BE, WOULD BE NECESSARY.
AND THEN LOOK AT, UH, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT AND THE WELL, UH, UH, SITE, UH, ALTERNATIVES OR TYPES OF SITES, UH, FOR THOSE.
UM, ASSESS THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALTERNATIVES.
AT THIS POINT, WE'D SWITCH FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, BULLET POINT, UH, THE TYPES OF TREATMENT, UH, EITHER WASTEWATER OR WATER.
BUT THEN THAT NEXT BULLET POINT IS FOR THE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE ALTERNATIVES ONCE, YOU KNOW, IN THE COLLECTION SYSTEMS AND THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS, UH, ONCE WE'RE OUT IN THE, IN THE STREETS AND THE AREAS.
UM, AND THEN, UH, UH, I- IDENTIFY IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES, UH, AS WAS MENTIONED.
UH, IF IT'S NOT, UH, HRSD, IF IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ELSE OR WORKING THROUGH DEVELOPER AGREEMENTS, UH, OR SELF-FUNDED, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF HOW DO WE GET, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE PLANNING THINGS, UH, IMPLEMENTED.
UM, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE, THE CLOSING PART IS, IS DEVELOP THE ACTUAL, THE, THE MASTER PLAN SO THEY CAN BE, UH, UH, USED, UH, REFERRED TO, UH, UPDATED FROM TIME TO TIME AS, UH, THOSE IMPLEMENTATIONS, UH, EFFORTS ARE, UH, ARE TAKING PLACE.
SO THE, UH, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST PART TALKS ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE SCOPE, UH, OF SERVICES IN THE, THE PLANNING AREA, THE PLANNING AREA THAT WE'VE DONE.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN, UM, THE, THE, THE TITLE OF OUR, OUR WORK IS, UH, NORTHERN ACCOMACK COUNTY, UH, BUT THE RED AREA, WHAT IT IDENTIFIES IS THE AREAS, UH, WITHIN THAT NORTHERN PORTION, UM, THAT ARE, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE SEEKING OR WE'VE ALREADY, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DELINEATED WHERE THE PUBLIC OR, UM, UH, UH, COMMUNITY FACILITIES, UH, WOULD BE.
IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, THE, THE RED AREA, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE, THE BORDERS, UH, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS OR THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD STILL BE ADDRESSED, UH, BUT WHAT WE'RE WORKING TO IDENTIFY FIRST, UH, IN THAT AREA IS THE AREAS THAT WE'D BE TARGETING, UH, PUBLICLY OWNED, UH, OR, OR PRIVATE INVESTOR-OWNED, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY TYPE, UH, SYSTEMS, AS OPPOSED TO INDIVIDUAL WELLS OR SEPTIC SYSTEMS THAT MIGHT PROVIDE SOME OF THE, UH, UH, THE MORE, UH, RURAL, UH, AREAS.
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YOU KNOW, IDENTIFYING THIS, UH, THE, THE, THE RED OUTLINED AREA, UH, WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS STUDIES, UH, COMMUNICATIONS OR, OR DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF, UH, YOU KNOW, AN ITERATIVE PROCESS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT.IT GOES FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY, UH, STATE ROAD, UH, OR ROUTE 13 ON THE WEST OF THE, UM, UH, THE NEW CHURCH TRAILS END AREA TO THE, UH, TO, TO THE NORTH, UH, THE COASTLINE ALONG THE, UH, EAST, AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE SOUTHERN, UH, PARTS, UH, NEAR, INCLUDING, UH, THE M**K, UH, IT WAS JUST MENT- MENTIONED, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SOUTHERN TIPS OF, OF, UM, UH, OF, UH, WALLOP'S ISLAND, UH, FROM THERE.
UH, THE BOUNDARIES THAT WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EACH OF THEM WOULD, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD ADJUST, UH, PIVOT, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW IMPLEMENTATION OR EVEN OUR PLANNING STUDY GOES, UH, BUT WE START WITH THAT AGAIN TO IDENTIFY, UH, THE AREAS TO FOCUS ON, UM, UH, COMMUNITY SYSTEMS. OUR NEXT STEP THEN WAS TO TAKE THAT AREA AND IDENTIFY WHAT FACILITIES ARE, UM, UH, ARE LOCATED IN OR AROUND, UH, THOSE AREAS.
UH, THE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NASA FACILITIES, THE FORCE MAIN AND THE TREATMENT, UH, FACILITY, UH, ARE PART OF THAT.
THE, UH, UH, ACCOMACK COUNTY LANDFILL, UH, HAS ITS OWN, UH, WASTEWATER SYSTEMS, UH, MATTFILL LAGOON SYSTEM, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER EXISTING WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS, OTHER WATER FACILITIES.
YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR, UH, PART OF OUR TASK IS TO LOOK FOR PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES OR LEVERAGING, UH, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER AREAS THAT WE COULD UTILIZE, UH, THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, UH, FROM EITHER, UH, FACILITIES OR PERMITTING, UH, UM, UH, PERMITTING, UH, PERMISSIONS.
SO, UH, IDENTIFYING THOSE, UH, EXISTING FACILITIES THAT ARE IN THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR INITIAL, UH, INITIAL EFFORT.
UM, I'LL PAUSE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, UH, LET ME KNOW, BUT, UM, I'LL KEEP GOING ON THIS, UM, UH, IF THEY'RE NOT.
SO OUR NEXT FOCUS, UH, THEN WAS TO LOOK AT, UM, UH, KEY, UH, KEY AREAS.
UH, THOSE KEY AREAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, FROM A, UH, EARLY ACTION STANDPOINT OR, OR AREAS THAT WE BELIEVE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FIRST IN PRIORITY OR TIMING, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE THE, UH, THE, THE WALLUPS, UH, RESEARCH, UH, PARK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, C- CURRENTLY SERVED, UH, UH, BY NASA, THE, THE MARITIME, UH, THE MARINE, UH, SERVICE CENTER, UH, SERVED BY NASA, AND THEN, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, BSA OR THE MIC, UM, AREA THAT, UH, HAS A COMMITMENT, UH, FROM NASA TO, TO SERVE, UH, IN THAT PINK AREA, UH, DOWN THERE AT THE SOUTHERN PORTION, UH, SOUTHERN PARTS OF, UH, WALLOPS, UH, ISLAND.
UM, SO THE, THE INDIVIDUAL PLANNING AREAS, UH, WE BRING THIS UP TO KINDA GIVE YOU, UH, AN IDEA OF WHAT HAPPENS, UH, LATER ON OR AFTER WE IDENTIFY, UH, SOME OF THE WATER AND, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT, UH, FACILITIES.
UH, THAT'S WHAT, UH, MIKE AND, UH, CHRISTINA WILL TALK ABOUT, BUT WE BREAK UP THE AREAS INTO THESE, UM, SMALLER AREAS, THE INDIVIDUAL PLANNING AREAS, UH, WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT STEP TO TALK ABOUT, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, TO SERVE THOSE AREAS, COLLECTION SYSTEMS, DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS, PUMP STATIONS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, FIRE SERVICE AREAS, UH, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, AND WE BREAK THOSE UP INTO SMALLER AREAS, UH, LIKE THIS TO, TO BE ABLE TO PIVOT OR TO RESPOND TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TIMING OF DIFFERENT, UH, PROJECTS.
SO THESE INDIVIDUAL, UH, YELLOW OUTLINED AREAS, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVE US, UM, THE ABILITY TO, UM, UH, TO, TO LAY OUT CERTAIN, UH, PLANNING, UH, FOR FACILITIES THAT WOULD BE BUILT, UM, IRRESPECTIVE OF TIMING, SO THAT, UH, WHEN OPPORTUNITIES COME ABOUT IN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE AREAS OR OTHER, UM, THAT THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE NOT DEPENDENT ON OTHER PORTIONS OF THE, UH, SYSTEM BEING BUILT OUT, THAT THEY CAN BE RESPONSIVE, THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN PLANNED OR WE'VE LOOKED THROUGH IT TO BE ABLE TO PUT THOSE, UH, IN PLACE IN A, IN A QUICK TIMEFRAME, OR AS PARTNERSHIPS OR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES COME UP.
THE FIRST AREA THEN, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT AREA THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, UH, FOR US IS, UM, UH, AREAS THREE, FOUR, AND SEVEN, AND THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SHOW HERE IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE.
UH, THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE'RE, AGAIN, FOCUSING ON, UH, IN THE SHORT TERM, UH, TO IDENTIFY TREATMENT, UH, BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER, UH, FACILITIES.
BUT IN THESE, UH, THESE AREAS, UH, THREE, UH, FOUR AND SEVEN, UM, THE ATLANTIC, UM, UH, ROAD AREA AND, UH, ROUTE 175, UH, THROUGH THE CORRIDOR, UH, YOU'LL NOTICE IT STILL HAS OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE NASA, UH, FACILITIES, UH, AND OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, NEARBY AREAS.
THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY DISCOUNT THAT OTHER, UH, UH, PLANNING AREAS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT I SHOWED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, UH, WOULDN'T BE FIRST, UH, OR COULDN'T BE ADDRESSED, UH, BUT TO LOOK AT, UH, THE CAPACITY, UH, AND THE SIZING OF INITIAL TREATMENT, UH, WATER AND WASTEWATER FACILITIES, WHAT WE'RE IDENTIFYING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT MIGHT HAPPEN, UH, FIRST, OR WHERE THE, UH, UH, THE PRIORITY, UH, WOULD BE, WOULD
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BE AT.THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AREAS, UH, AS PROXIMITY TO HIGHER DENSITY, UH, RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL AREAS, UH, IT'S ACCESSIBLE BY THE NASA FACILITIES, UH, THE FORCE MAIN PRIMARILY, UH, AS IT GOES THROUGH THERE, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ALSO OTHER FUTURE SERVICE AREAS.
IT'S ALSO CENTRAL, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE OVERALL, UH, DIFFERENT PLANNING AREAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT, UH, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE START WITH WHAT WE CALL AREAS THREE, FOUR, AND SEVEN.
WE DID THEN, UH, GOING BACK TO THE, THE BIGGER PICTURE IS TO IDENTIFY THE, UM, UH, THE, THE ZONING AND PLANNED USES, UH, OF THESE AREAS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, UH, EVEN BY, UH, PARCEL OWNER.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, AT THIS POINT, WITH THE OVERALL AREA, UH, IS DETERMINE, UH, UH, AN OVERALL OR AGGREGATE, UH, TREATMENT, UH, NEEDS, UH, FOR BOTH WATER AND SEWER FOR THE OVERALL AREAS.
AND HOW DO WE GET THERE IS THROUGH LOOKING AT THE EXISTING ZONING, THE ACREAGE, UM, UH, THE PROXIMITY ROADWAYS, UH, AND OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, EXISTING, UH, FACILITIES, HOUSE COUNTS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL FACILITIES, WHAT THEY'RE USING OR, OR PROJECTED TO USE, UH, IN THOSE AREAS.
AND THEN AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT FROM A, THE SAME PROCESS AS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THEN WE FOCUSED ON AREAS, UH, THREE, FOUR, AND SEVEN.
UH, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE, UM, UH, THE EXISTING, UM, UH, USES, BOTH, YOU KNOW, AGRICULTURAL, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, UH, IDENTIFIED WHAT AREAS HAVE DWELLINGS OR IMPROVEMENTS ON THEM, WHICH ONES ARE STILL VACANT, UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT OUR, UM, UH, OUR GOAL IS, IS TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE SIZING OF THE TREATMENT FACILITIES WITH WATER AND WASTEWATER, UH, WOULD BE FOR THOSE, UM, FOR THOSE AREAS.
AND THEN THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR TARGETED, UH, AREAS, UM, FOR WATER AND SEWER DEMANDS, THIS IS WHAT WE, UH, THIS IS WHAT WE, WE END UP WITH.
UM, WE LOOK AT THOSE AREAS, THREE, FOUR, AND SEVEN ALONG THE, UH, ALONG THE BOTTOM, WE LOOK AT WHAT THEIR EXISTING DEMANDS ARE, 2026.
UH, WE ALSO IDENTIFY WHAT PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS, UH, ARE, ARE OUT THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY, UH, IN THAT SECOND COLUMN FOR AREA SEVEN WOULD MATCH UP WITH THE ATLANTIC TOWN CENTER, WHAT'S EXPECTED FOR, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WASTEWATER TREATMENT, UH, NEEDS, UH, WATER AND WASTEWATER.
UH, AND THEN KEEPING IN MIND THE, UH, UH, PARCELS THAT ARE STILL VACANT, THIS TOO COULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILT UPON, UH, WHAT THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT OF THOSE AREAS, FOCUSING JUST ON THREE, FOUR, AND SEVEN, UH, TO IDENTIFY WITH.
AND THEN THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CONCLUSION WE COME TO IS, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO S - UH, AS A FIRST BUILD FOR THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTICULAR, UH, INITIAL OR EARLY ACTION, UH, WOULD BE LOOKING AT A TREATMENT FACILITY IN THE AREA OF 300,000, UH, GALLONS PER DAY.
UH, WE ARRIVE AT THAT THROUGH THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AREA, 143,000, UH, AND THEN ALSO BEING ABLE TO THEN SERVE, UH, IN AN ECONOMIC SENSE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIES OF SCALE, MARGINAL COST, YOU KNOW, THAT SIZING, UH, FOR THE, UH, OTHER AREAS IN THAT THREE, FOUR, AND SEVEN THAT COULD STILL BE BUILT OUT, DEVELOPED, UH, YOU KNOW, IMPROVED, UH, AND WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPLEMENT, UH, EACH OTHER.
UM, IF WE LOOKED AT OTHER DEVELOPMENT AREAS, TWO, FOUR, AND EIGHT, UH, OR OTHERS, WE'D COME TO DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, CONCLUSIONS.
BUT THE SIZING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, MIKE, UH, AND CHRISTINA, WE'LL TALK ABOUT FROM WATER AND SEWER, IT'S BASED ON THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE, LOOKING AT THE ZONING, UH, THE PLANNED USES, OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN IDENTIFYING, UH, A SIZING OF TREATMENT FACILITY, UH, THAT WOULD COMPLEMENT, UM, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ECONOMIES OF SCALE, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT WOULD NOT, THIS IS WHERE THE IMPLEMENTATION PART, UH, TALKS ABOUT IS WHO WOULD CAUSE IT, WHO WOULD PAY FOR IT, HOW IT WOULD BE OPERATED.
THOSE ARE IMPLEMENTATION QUESTIONS, BUT FROM A SIZING FACILITY TO GET US TO THE NEXT STEPS, UH, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE 300,000, WE'LL MOVE FROM THERE.
WITH THAT PLAN THERE, IS THAT TO BUILD ONE TREATMENT FACILITY AND THEN, I MEAN, AT THE, AT THE SIZE THAT WOULD HANDLE THE 614,000 GALLONS PER DAY INITIALLY, OR WOULD YOU PHASE IT IN? WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, THE SIZING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WOULD BE THE 300,000, UH, GALLONS.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD NOT BE A TOTAL BUILD OUT.
IT WOULD NOT TAKE CARE OF, OF ALL THE ANTICIPATED BUILD OUT FOR THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL OF AREAS THREE, FOUR, AND SEVEN.
UH, FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT, UM, A, A STAGING, UM, UH, IMPLEMENTATION STANDPOINT, UH, WE'RE USING THE 300,000 BASED ON THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN AREA SEVEN, PLUS OTHER NEEDS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED.
UM, IT, IT, IT IS A, UM, UH, IT'S, IT'S AN ESTIMATE BASED ON WHAT
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WE'RE SEEING OR, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, RESEARCHING, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT.UH, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT AREAS, UM, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT ANSWER, UH, YOU KNOW, MAY BE DIFFERENT.
WHAT THE 300,000 ALSO PROVIDES IS FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, E- EITHER DOUBLING OR ADDING TO THAT FACILITY IN THE FUTURE TO SERVE THE REST OF THE, UH, OF THE AREAS.
SO IT WOULD BE PHASED IN? RIGHT.
SO, SO THE, THE, THE INITIAL FACILITY WOULD BE BUILT TO, UH, TO HANDLE 300,000 GALLONS PER DAY, CORRECT? RIGHT.
IN AREA THREE, FOUR, AND SEVEN, THEY'RE TOTALLY DIFFERENT, UH, DEVELOPMENTS, CORRECT? UH, ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER, BUT YES, UH, IN THOSE, IN THOSE AREAS.
UH, THE, IT, IT INCLUDES, UM, UH, EXISTING PARCELS WHICH MAY, YOU KNOW, EXISTING SEPTIC SYSTEMS OR WELLS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, CONNECT TO THE FACILITIES.
UH, IT INCLUDES, UH, VACANT GROUND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE BUILT OVER THAT SAME TIMEFRAME.
UH, BUT IT'S, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, BALANCING THE, UH, THE COSTS AND THE EFFICIENCIES OF CONSTRUCTION WITH THE TIMING OF THE, UH, ANTICIPATED DEMAND AND, AND WHEN THAT WOULD, UM, FILL OUT.
UH, WITH ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, THIS 300,000, UH, PART FOR BOTH WATER AND SEWER, THIS IS WHAT I HAND IT OFF TO MY, UM, UH, ASSOCIATES, UH MIKE AND CHRISTINA.
SO THE, JUST TO, TO HOW YOU GOT TO THE 300,000 PIECE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE EXISTING DEMANDS AND WE SAY THAT, BECAUSE I CAN'T TELL WHICH REGION IS WHICH BY YOUR GRAPHIC.
UH, SO, AND THAT'S OKAY, BUT - RIGHT.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE KNOW IS PLANNED FOR VIRGINIA SPACE, IS THAT CORRECT? I - THE LAKE AREA, IS, IS THAT - IN, IN, FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA, UH, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS NOT THREE, FOUR, AND SEVEN, UM, YES.
BUT THIS SAME EXERCISE, UH, COULD BE USED IN SOME OF THE OTHER - LET'S JUST FOCUS ON ONE.
WE GOTTA EAT THIS ELEPHANT ONE BITE AT TIME, EH? YEP.
UH, UH, FOR THAT, PLUS THEN AREAS WITHIN THREE AND FOUR, THREE, FOUR, AND SEVEN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, COULD BE DEVELOPED OR COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, OPPORTUNITIES OF THAT SAME FACILITY, UH, PLUS PERHAPS SOME OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES THAT HAVE THEIR OWN SEPTIC SYSTEMS OR WATER SYSTEMS THAT COULD CHOOSE - WHY ARE YOU TAKING AWAY FROM EXISTING FACILITIES? IF THEY'VE GOT AN EXISTING FACILITY THAT CAN DO IT, WHY LET THAT HAPPEN? RIGHT, AND THAT'S WHY I KEEP USING THE WORD MAY.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE, IF THEY'RE IN THIS AREA AND THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS INSTALLED DOWN THE STREETS, UH, AND THEY HAVE A FAILED SYSTEM OR IF THEY WANNA GROW THE SYSTEM THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT CAPACITY COULD SERVE THOSE AREAS, BUT THEN WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, SOONER, UH, GET TO THE, UH, CAPACITY LIMITS OF THAT FIRST FACILITY AND THEN WE'D HAVE PHASING FOR THE ADDITIONAL FACILITIES, UH, AND THINGS.
WELL, AND THAT WAS KINDA WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GET TO IS ARE WE T - WE IDENTIFYING A CURRENT NEED USING, USING THESE ESTIMATES, WHICH THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH THAT, BUT IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ON OUR SIDE.
OR, OR ARE WE TRYING TO PROVIDE FOR FUTURE GROWTH? SO, IF I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY, THE PHASING ANSWER YOU GAVE MR. CROCKETT IS BASICALLY SAYING WE WOULD ESTABLISH, YOU'RE TRYING TO DO 300,000, GET YOU WHAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY AS A REQUIREMENT? UH, AS A, A- AS AN EFFICIENT OR EFFECTIVE - POTENTIAL REQUIREMENT.
UH, IT IS, UH, IT'S A BALANCING ACT, UH, WE'RE DOING.
YOU BUILD A FACILITY TOO, UH, UH, TOO LARGE, UH, THE DEMAND'S NOT THERE, THE FINANCING, THE PAYMENT IS, IS MORE DIFFICULT.
IF YOU BUILD IT TOO SMALL, THEN AS SOON AS IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, READY FOR SERVICE, IT'S ALREADY, UH, YOU KNOW, OCCUPIED.
SO THAT 300,000 IS A PLANNING NUMBER BASED ON ALL THE INFORMATION WE'VE GOT AVAILABLE, UH, TO US.
UH, AS RIGHT NOW, OUR LEADING EXAMPLE FOR AREAS THREE, FOUR, AND SEVEN.
THIS SAME EXERCISE, UH, YOU KNOW, COULD BE REPLICATED OR COULD BE DONE IN OTHER AREAS, BUT, UH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LEADING WITH, UH, AS PART OF THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, APPLICATION.
SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND AS SOON AS YOU THROW THAT PLANNING FACTOR OUT, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY, UH, STIMULATE OTHER INTEREST IN DOING THAT INTO THE AREA.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BLOW PAST THAT NUMBER PRETTY QUICKLY.
I - AND SO - I WOULD, WELL - I THINK I'D HAVE GONE ABOUT THIS DIFFERENTLY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
I JUST WANNA, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO WHERE WE GOT THE, THE PLANNING FACTOR FOR.
BUT I THINK WE'VE ALL GOTTA REALIZE AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS, IS IF WE EVER GET TO THE POINT IN ACCOMACK COUNTY THAT WE COULD SAY WE HAVE A WASTEWATER CAPACITY THAT WE CAN CONTROL, IT'S GONNA OPEN UP A LOT MORE INTEREST INTO THE COUNTY AND DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE GOTTA.
AND I THINK THAT AGREEMENT IS, UH, IS HERE TOO.
SO IF WE, UM, AND, AND MIKE CHRISTINA WILL GO INTO THIS,
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BUT THE FACILITY OR THE SITES THAT WE WOULD PICK WOULD MAKE SURE THAT IT COULD BE PHASED OR EXPANDED.UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT 300,000 BECOMES A, UH, A UNIT.
UH, AND SO ONE, TWO, THREE AS, YOU KNOW, GROWTH, UH, COMES IN.
BUT THERE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME PLANNING TECHNIQUES THAT WE USE THAT TO, TO SIZE THAT, UH, CORRECTLY SO THAT WE'RE NOT TOO LARGE OR TOO SMALL, UM, UH, WHICH HAS ITS OWN, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, DETRIMENTS.
BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING SEWER, UH, OR WATER, UH, IN AN AREA, UH, YOU KNOW, CAN OPEN UP OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FOR A COMMUNITY SOMETIMES FASTER THAN WHAT YOU WERE ANTICIPATING.
GOOD EVENING, UH, MIKE GAFFNEY.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR INVITING US IN AND, UH, SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS AS WE DESCRIBE, UM, UH, WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND, AND THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WITH STAFF.
I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WASTEWATER TREATMENT.
UM, CHRISTINA'S GOING TO FOLLOW UP A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WATER, BUT WE'VE HAD A PRETTY BIG FOCUS.
EVERYBODY KNOWS ON, ON WASTEWATER.
UM, SO WE USE WATER, UH, WE TAKE IT FROM THE ENVIRONMENT AND WE HAVE TO PUT IT BACK IN THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND, UH, THERE'S THREE WAYS TO DO THAT, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN EVALUATING.
AND, UM, THE FIRST IS, UH, THE, UH, TREATMENT AND DISCHARGE, RIGHT, TO WATER BODY.
SECOND IS TREATMENT AND APPLICATION TO LAND AS A REUSE FOR IRRIGATION.
AND THE THIRD IS, UH, RAPID INFILTRATION INTO GROUNDWATER.
AND YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THREE PHOTOS, UH, IMAGES THERE OF THE THREE DIFFERENT, UH, TYPES OF, UH, SYSTEMS THAT WE'RE, WE'VE CONSIDERED AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THEM TONIGHT.
UH, WE'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED, UH, SEVEN OR EIGHT, UH, SELECTION CRITERIA, THINGS TO THINK ABOUT AS WE'RE EVALUATING ALTERNATIVES, UH, THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
THE FIRST GROUPING IS, UH, OWNERSHIP AND OPERATIONS RELATED CONSIDERATIONS, UH, THINGS LIKE AESTHETICS, NUISANCES, UH, TREATMENT COMPLEXITIES, RIGHT? THE, THE HIGHER THE, THE WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENT OF THE DISCHARGE, THE MORE COMPLEX THE TREATMENT SYSTEM IS, THE HARDER IT IS TO OPERATE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IS THE MORE COSTLY IT IS.
SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE CONSIDER OPERATION-WISE.
UH, THE SECOND GROUP IS OUR, WE CALL THEM IMPLEMENTATION CONSIDERATIONS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET GOING? UH, THERE'S PERMITTING RISK, RISK, COMPLEXITY, TIMELINE, AND THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT, ASSOCIATED WITH THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
THE EFFLUENT QUALITY REQUIREMENTS ARE DIFFERENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE DIFFERENT DISCHARGE OPTIONS.
CAPITAL COST THEN ALIGNS WELL WITH EFFLUENT QUALITY.
UH, THERE'S CERTAINLY PUBLIC OPINION.
UH, AND THEN, UM, UH, CONSISTENCY, THAT'S CONSISTENCY IS, UH, CONSISTENCY WITH GOVERNANCE AND, AND, UH, POLICIES IN, IN ACCOMACK COUNTY.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, UH, A DISCHARGE, SURFACE WATER DISCHARGE THAT'S REGULATED IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA WITH A VIRGINIA POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION, UH, SYSTEM PERMIT.
UM, IT'S VERY COMMON IN VIRGINIA.
THE BLUE DOTS ARE ALL, UH, VPD'S PERMITS THROUGHOUT THE STATES IN THE IMAGE.
THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF DISCHARGE PERMITS IN THE STATE, INCLUDING, UM, LOCALLY ON THE EASTERN SHORE AS WELL AS HERE IN ACCOMACK, IN CHINKACHEEK, IN, IN ONAN - IN ONANCA, IN ONANCOCK AND ALL OVER, UH, HAMPTON ROADS.
WE MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE HRSD FACTOR, RIGHT? I LIVE NEAR THIS TREATMENT PLANT, UH, THE YORK RIVER OUTFALL IN THE LOWER RIGHT-HAND CORNER, WHICH DISCHARGES TO THE YORK RIVER, UH, WHICH IS WHY WE SHOWED THAT.
SO, UM, COMMON IN VIRGINIA, THERE'S NASA, ONANCOCK, CHICAGE, THE POULTRY PLANTS.
UM, IT'S WELL PROVEN, COST EFFECTIVE FOR PLANTS LOCATED NEAR THE WATER, RIGHT? UM, UH, EFFECTIVE WITH, UM, CONVENTIONAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT.
SO THAT'S BIOLOGICAL TREATMENT IN THE INDUSTRY, ACTIVATED SLUDGE.
IT ALSO, UH, ACCOMMODATES ADVANCED TREATMENT, UH, ALL KINDS OF, UH, GREAT TECHNOLOGIES, UH, FOR USE.
SO, UH, HIGHLY APPLICABLE, BUT CHALLENGING, RIGHT? CHALLENGING TO PERMIT, VERY DIFFICULT TO PERMIT A NEW WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND, UH, OUTFALL.
UH, THERE'S REGULATORY HUR- HURDLES, THERE'S, UM, DISCHARGE STUDIES REQUIRED.
THEY INVOLVE MIXING STUDIES, UH, WATER QUALITY STUDIES, UH, OUTFALLS NEED TO BE, UH, ACCESSIBLE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S CERTAINLY PUBLIC PERCEPTION CHALLENGES.
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THAT WE RECREATE IN, RIGHT? WE SWIM AND BOAT AND FISH.WE, UM, THERE'S A WHOLE AQUACULTURE SHELLFISH INDUSTRY SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
SO RECOGNIZE THESE ARE, UM, RISKS, CHALLENGES IN MANAGING, UH, AVIPTI'S, YOU KNOW, UH, PERMIT, UM, IN, YOU KNOW, IN ACCOMACK COUNTY.
UH, PERMITTING OPTIONS COULD, COULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, THE ESCHARON AREAS COULD INCLUDE, UH, AN OCEAN, YOU KNOW, OCEAN DISCHARGE OR INLAND, YOU KNOW, STREAMS ARE THE, ARE THE, ARE THE, UM, OPTIONS.
SO THAT IS, UH, PERMIT OPTION NUMBER ONE, WE'LL CALL IT, RIGHT? DIRECT DISCHARGE OF HIGHLY TREATED WASTEWATER EFFLUENT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I HAVE A QUESTION MADAM CHAIR.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN THE MOST RECENT PERMIT WAS, UH, ALLOWED IN VIRGINIA TO DO A DIRECT DISCHARGE? SO, UM, NOT NEW, BUT CHICOTEAG AND HRC JUST, UM, BOUGHT SOME PERMITS TOGETHER, RIGHT? BUT THEY ALREADY HAVE, BUT THEY ALREADY HAVE A SYSTEM THERE.
IT'S NOT, YEAH, THAT'S WHY I SAID NOT NEW, RIGHT, CORRECT? AND I MEAN A NEW, LIKE THIS WOULD BE A NEW SYSTEM.
UM - THE REASON I ASK, I'M IN THE PROCESS NOW OF ELIMINATION.
IN MY MIND, I'VE ELIMINATED NASA.
AND I WANNA SEE HOW, HOW DIFFICULT IT WOULD BE WITH THE, UH, DIRECT - YEAH.
UM, O- OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.
THAT TELLS ME - IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
IT TELLS ME THAT IT'S NOT BEEN VERY RECENT.
WELL, IN, IN THE FOLLOWUP - THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
I THINK TO YOUR POINT THAT IN THE PROBLEM THAT AN ACOC'S BEEN HAVING IS THAT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO PUT OUT THE AMOUNT OF WATER, UH, DISCHARGE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT THEY'D ORIGINALLY PLANNED THERE AT HRSD BECAUSE OF RESTRICTIONS? I HAVEN'T HEARD.
I MEAN, I MENTIONED IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REAL.
IT'S REAL WITH - BUT I MEAN, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS IT EVEN A VIABLE OPTION? DO WE KNOW? YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER RIGHT.
YEAH, THAT'S, WE CALL THAT PERMIT RISK.
CAN WE, CAN IT BE PERMITTED? UM, SECOND OPTION, LAND APPLICATION.
LAND APPLICATION IS ALSO, UM, A DISCHARGE OF HIGHLY TREATED WASTEWATER EFFLUENT FOR USE IN AGRICULTURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AGRICULTURAL USE, IT'S REGULATED BY THE, UH, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF EN- ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY UNDER A VIRGINIA POLLUTION ABATEMENT PERMIT.
THE TREATMENT LEVELS, UM, CAN VARY DEPENDING ON, UM, HOW THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CROPS ARE, ARE FOR, HOW THEY'RE USED.
UM, UH, IT CAN BE SPRAY APPLIED AS SHOWN IN THE PICTURES.
THERE'S ALSO, UH, DRIPS, DRIP SYSTEMS. IT DOES ALSO REQUIRE, UH, PERMITTING, UM, UM, DOES HAVE PO- POSITIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, RIGHT? IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT IS REUSE OF, OF WATER THAT'S BEEN, BEEN USED, UH, BEFORE.
SEEMS, YOU KNOW, IN AN AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY, UH, LIKE, UH, ACCOMACK COUNTY, NORTHERN ACCOMACK COUNTY, IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENT.
UM, AND THE QUALITY THAT REQUIRED IS ACHIEVABLE THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, CONVENTIONAL, WE'LL CALL IT, WASTEWATER TREATMENT, UH, PROCESSES, NOT TALKING ABOUT, UM, ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT, VERY ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT FOR LAND APPLICATION.
THAT QUESTION? SORT OF A SEMI-QUESTIONS COMMENT.
I USED TO DO BUSINESS WITH BLUE PLAINS, WASHINGTON SUBURBAN SANITARY COMMISSION - UH-HUH.
THEIR WATER'S SO PURE THAT YOU COULD LITERALLY DRINK IT WHEN IT CAME OUT AS AN EFFLUENT.
IS THAT TECHNOLOGY IMPROVED IN THE LAST 15 YEARS? AND THAT WAS 15 YEARS AGO WE WERE DOING IT.
AND ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HAVING THAT QUALITY WATER HERE THAT, ASSUMING THERE'S NOT A PERMITTING PROBLEM, YOU COULD PUT ON FIELDS, YOU COULD PUT IN THE WATER WITHOUT ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THAT I CAN SEE.
IS THAT WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT THAT QUALITY OF PLANT, THAT DEGREE OF FILTRATION? SO, UH, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT LEVELS THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY, UM, IMPLEMENT WOULD BE AS NEEDED TO COMPLY WITH THE WATER WATER, WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE OPTION.
SO IT MAY, IT MAY NOT HAVE TO GO TO THE POINT WHERE I CAN DRINK IT.
IT MAY BE FILLED ENOUGH TO - YEAH.
WE WOULDN'T TREAT TO DRINKING WATER QUALITY, YOU KNOW - THAT'S, THAT'S...
THAT'S ONLY FOR LARGE AND - SO HRC IS TREATING TO DRINKING WATER QUALITY TO DO SWIFT, RIGHT, IN GROUNDWATER INJECTION.
SO IT, THAT DEPENDS ON WHICH WAY WE GO,
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WHICH SOLUTION THAT WE CAN USE.DEPENDS ON THE DEGREE OF FILTRATION AND THE TREATMENT, WHATEVER THAT - CORRECT.
THE TREATMENT SYSTEM IS, YOU KNOW, SELECTED AND DESIGNED TO PROVIDE THE WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENT.
YEAH, OF, OF ESTABLISHING THE PERMIT FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE DISCHARGE, THE USE.
SO I JUST, I'M SURE ALL DISCHARGE IS ALWAYS TREATED THAT MUCH OR NOT.
UH, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LAND APPLICATION, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LAND APPLICATION RATES, UH, VARY BASED ON, BASED ON A LOT OF CONDITIONS INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, SOILS, UM, GROUNDWATER TABLE.
UH, THE STATE HAS A MINIMUM STORAGE REQUIREMENT.
SO, UH, THAT'S 60 DAYS OF, UH, LAGOON STORAGE IN, IN VIRGINIA.
UM, AND, UH, MAXIMUM APPLICATION RATES, RATES OF TWO INCHES, UH, PER WEEK.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, FOR 300,000 GALLONS PER DAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT 100 ACRES.
UH, 15 OF THAT IS PROBABLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE TREATMENT SYSTEM AND THE STORAGE, THE REST IS, UH, YOU KNOW, PLANNING NUMBER FOR THE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE NEEDED FOR LAND APPLICATION.
ALSO REQUIRES WILLING LANDOWNERS, LOCAL NEARBY, UM, FARMS THAT ARE, WANT THE WATER, THAT CAN USE THE WATER.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THEIR PLANNING, UH, PLANS.
UM, THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED AT THE, UH, MAPSVILLE FACILITY, RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY, THAT WAS A LAND APPLICATION, UM, TREATMENT SYSTEM, LAGOON SYSTEM, AND THEN, UH, THE EFFLUENT FROM THE SEAFOOD PROCESSING FACILITY WAS LAND APPLIED TO FIELDS, TO FIELDS THERE.
AND THEN, UH, THERE'S TWO STANDARDS, LEVEL ONE BEING A HIGHER STANDARD OF, OF TREATMENT, A LITTLE BIT MORE COSTLY TREATMENT.
WE WOULD PROBABLY, IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT THAT TREAT TO THAT LEVEL BECAUSE THINGS CAN CHANGE, CERTAINLY WOULD, YOU KNOW, RIGHT LA- LAND USES CHANGE, FARMS CHANGE, UH, PROPERTIES CHANGE HANDS.
UH, WE WOULDN'T WANNA BOX OURSELF IN.
UH, BUT IT WOULD DEPEND ON AFFORDABILITY, A LOT OF THINGS.
SO WE'RE NOT HERE TO MAKE THAT DECISION TONIGHT, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY WANNA, YOU KNOW, MAKE SMART DECISIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE ON LAND APPLICATION? GO AHEAD, MR. PARK.
YOU HAD THE SEAFOOD, THE MAPSVILLE PLANT, WHICH IS NOW VIRGINIA SPACE.
SO IS THE WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE DEFUNCT? IT'S BROKEN OUT.
I THINK IT'S A PRIVATE LANDOWNER.
UM, I BELIEVE VIRGINIA SPACE HAS THE OFFICE AREA AND SOME LAND THERE, BUT I BELIEVE THE LARGER PORTION IS UNDER PRIVATE OWNERSHIP NOW.
DO WE HAVE A, A SENSE OF THE CAPACITY? DO YOU REMEMBER? TWO 15 MILLION GALLONS AND I BELIEVE 230 MILLION GALLONS.
DOES THAT HELP? SO, GOOD AMOUNTS.
NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CONDITION IS OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, HOW USABLE IT IS.
SO THEN THE THIRD OPTION IS, UM, INFILTRATION, RAPID INFILTRATION BASINS.
SO THESE ARE UNLINED PONDS THAT HIGHLY TREATED WASTEWATER EFFLU- EFFLUENT IS DISCHARGED TO AND ALLOWED TO INFILTRATE INTO, UH, INTO THE GROUND AND, AND THE GROUNDWATER.
UM, IT'S DONE IN MARYLAND, IT'S DONE IN NORTH CAROLINA, AND IT'S NOT DONE IN VIRGINIA.
THE REGULATORS ARE OPEN TO IT, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN PERMITTED YET.
SO IT IS A HIGH, ALSO A HIGH PERMIT RISK.
UM, THERE'S AN ANTI-DEGRADATION REQUIREMENT.
SO THE WATER QUALITY OF THE EXISTING GROUNDWATER GOVERNS TREATMENT, RIGHT? SO, BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON, ON THE GROUNDWATER, YOU KNOW, THAT WE INFILTRATE, UH, INTO.
UM, IT IS, UH, ENVIRONMENTALLY, YOU KNOW, SOUND IN THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, REPLENISHING GROUNDWATER IN A, UM, YOU KNOW, SOLE, SOLE SOURCE AQUIFER REGION OF, OF THE EAST, OF THE EASTERN SHORE.
UM, REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT LESS SPACE THAN LAND APPLICATION, MAYBE 30 ACRES INSTEAD OF 100 ACRES.
I THINK WE HAVE A SLIDE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE DOING A PLANT IN, UM, NORTH CA - NORTH, NORTH CAROLINA, MOYA.
IT'S, UM, 200,000 GALLON PER DAY TREATMENT CAPACITY WITH A 300,000 GALLON PER DAY RIBS.
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YOU KNOW, SIMILAR LEVEL OF, OF SIZE FACILITY THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, RIGHT NOW, UM, JUST SOUTH IN, IN MOYA, NORTH CAROLINA.SO, UH, I MENTIONED, UH, SIZE-WISE, UM, WELL, UH, SIMILAR CONDITIONS WITH LAND APPLICATION, UH, WELL-DRAINED, LOW MEAN SOILS ARE PREFERRED.
UM, WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TROUBLE WITH MINIMUM DEPTH TO GROUNDWATER BEING 15 FEET.
UH, ALSO HAS THE 60-DAY STORAGE REQUIREMENT, SO A LOT OF STORAGE, MAYBE IT SAYS 10 TO 12 ACRES.
IT DEPENDS ON DEPTH AND CONFIGURATION, LAND AREA.
UM, AND I ALREADY MENTIONED, UH, ANTI-DEGRADATION STANDARD, UH, REQUIRING, YOU KNOW, MORE ADVANCED TREATMENT.
UM, SO, UM, I THINK I ALREADY MENTIONED MOST OF THESE THINGS.
UH, NO RIB SITES IN VIRGINIA, SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, PERMITTING RISK, AND THEN THE TREATMENT PROCESS IS, IS PROBABLY, UM, MORE ADVANCED THAN EITHER OF THE OTHER OPT- OPTIONS REQUIRING, UH, MEMBRANE BIOREACTOR.
UH, SO TREATED WASTEWATER IS THEN PUSHED THROUGH A MEMBRANE TO FURTHER REDUCE THE, UM, THE POLLUTANTS PRIOR TO, I WON'T SAY DRINKING WATER STANDARDS, BUT IT'S GONNA BE THE CLEAN OF THE THREE PUREST WATER STANDARDS.
ANY, ANY, ANYONE WANT TO TALK ABOUT RISKS? SO IN WORKING WITH STAFF, WE, UH, PUT TOGETHER, UM, WASTEWATER TREATMENT ASSESSMENT MATRIX, UH, DECISION-MAKING MODEL.
IT'S CALLED, UH, CONSENSUS BUILDING, UH, MATRIX WHERE WE LIST THE, UM, NINE CRITERIA THAT I TALKED ABOUT ON THE LEFT.
WE WEIGHT THE CRITERIA AS, UM, RELATIVE IMPORTANCE, AND THEN WE SCORE THE CRITERIA FOR EACH OF THE THREE.
AND WE SCORE THEM, UM, WITH THIS TOOL, UH, BASED ON, UH, SUITABILITY WITH, YOU KNOW, ONE, TWO, AND THREE, THERE'S NO TIES.
AND SO THAT'S HOW WE, UM, SCORE THOSE.
WE PROVIDE, UH, THEN DEVELOP A, A WEIGHTED SCORE, AND IN WORKING WITH STAFF HAVE IDENTIFIED LAND APPLICATION AS, UM, MOST SUITABLE OF THE THREE ALTERNATIVES AT THIS TIME BASED ON THESE WEIGHTS, THESE SCORES, MOSTLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT THRIVES ON AGRICULTURAL, UH, AQUACULTURE, UH, WATER HARVESTING, AND ALSO HAS A LIMITED SUPPLY OF GROUNDWATER.
SO HOPEFULLY IT'S FAVORABLE TO, UM, LOCAL, UM, FARMS, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR USE.
SURE, MR. DID I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY IN, IN SAYING THAT THE, THE ONE THAT YOU'RE RATING NUMBER ONE, UH, CURRENTLY THERE'S NONE IN VIRGINIA? NO, SIR.
UH, THIS WAS, UH, LAND APPLICATION, THE HIGHEST NUMBER, THE HIGHEST SCORE AT THE BOTTOM IS, UM, LAND APPLICATION.
SO THAT'S APPLICATION ON, ON FIELDS, CORRECT.
AND ACTUALLY, UH, THE RIB SYSTEM, BECAUSE THERE'S NONE IN VIRGINIA BECAUSE OF THE PERMITTING RISK, BECAUSE OF THE MOST ADVANCED WASTE - SO ONE IN THREE, THERE'S A RISK, A HIGHER RISK IN GETTING A PERMIT, CORRECT? UH, TWO AND THREE WE THINK ARE THE HIGHEST PERMIT RISK.
OPTION ON THE LEFT, DIRECT DISCHARGE, OPTION ON THE RIGHT, INFILTRATION BASEMENT, CORRECT.
AND YOU DO HAVE A NUMBER OF LAND APPLICATIONS IN VIRGINIA, CORRECT? LAND APPLICATION IS COMMON, WELL, IS THROUGHOUT, YES.
SO, MADAM CHAIRMAN? GO AHEAD, MR. BURKE.
SO WITH THAT SCORING, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND IF I, WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE AGRICULTURE AND AQUACULTURE ASPECTS OF THE SHORE.
HOWEVER, ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE PURSUING THIS IS TO FACILITATE AIR, UH, DEVELOPMENT AROUND OUR, OUR SPACE INDUSTRY.
SO IS THERE A CONCERN WITH HAVING THE SPACE BASICALLY INCREASING CAPACITY FOLLOWING THAT, IF YOU, WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION? UM, WE THINK THAT THE USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT AND PLANNED, UH, LAND USE IN, IN THE COUNTY.
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SO WE THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH BOTH.SO, BECAUSE WE, WE, WE WOULDN'T...
I MEAN, THAT'S A RISK, RIGHT? THERE, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY FIELDS LEFT IS WHAT YOU, MAYBE YOU'RE GETTING AT? UH, AGAIN, I'M BACK TO ONCE WE HAVE A PLAN, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT, BECAUSE THE, THE DATA YOU HAVE IS SOMEWHAT REARWARD LOOKING.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF ENERGY, ESPECIALLY CURRENTLY AROUND THE POTENTIAL, UH, THAT, AND, AND THE HOLDBACK IS WASTEWATER.
SO IF WE'RE USING THE OLD CRITERIA, THE STANDARD CRITERIA, THAT MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE FOR FACILITATING FUTURE GROWTH, UH, OR IT PUTS US AT RISK, AS YOU SAID, IT WOULD BE A RISK.
AND I, SO I WANNA MITIGATE THAT RISK, OR AT LEAST WE WANT, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TREATMENT PLANT, UM, PROCESS SELECTION AND DESIGN, WE TALK ABOUT, UM, UPGRADABLE, EASILY EXPANDABLE PACKAGE TYPE SYSTEMS, RIGHT? YES.
SO IF WE, IF WE HAD ENOUGH MONEY FOR 200,000 GALLONS PER DAY, WE WOULD BUILD 200,000 GALLONS PER DAY.
IT WOULD BE EXPANDABLE IN 100 OR 200,000 GALLON PER DAY INCREMENTS.
AND CERTAINLY PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTATION FOR LAND APPLICATION BASED SYSTEM WOULD NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FIELD SPACE.
SO THAT WOULD BE A CONTINUOUS PROCESS WITH LAND APPLICATION IS ALWAYS MAKING SURE THERE'S FIELDS AND THERE MIGHT BE, UH, I, REUSE PIPING REQUIRED TO GET THE WATER TO DIFFERENT FARMS. MIKE, CAN I ADD TO THAT? YES, SIR.
UM, YEAH, SO WATER CAN BE PIPED A CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE.
OF COURSE, THE PRICES GO UP THE, THE FARTHER THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUMPING IT, PIPING IT.
UM, I WASN'T NECESSARILY GONNA BRING THIS UP, BUT I WAS CHATTING WITH MIKE MASON, UH, THE OTHER DAY.
LAST WEEKEND, I WON'T GO TO THE DETAILS, I WAS RIDING THE BACK ROADS OF MARYLAND AND I CAME ACROSS TOWN OF BERLIN, UH, IRRIGATION FACILITY, WASTEWATER, TREATED WASTEWATER BEING APPLIED, AND THAT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THE FARMING AREA IN NEWARK, MARYLAND.
IT WAS A GOOD EIGHT OR 10 MILES FROM TOWN OF BERLIN.
I'M HOPING WE DON'T HAVE TO PIPE IT THAT FAR.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A COST INVOLVED, BUT, UM, EVEN IF THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE VIRGINIA SPACE CAMPUS IN THAT AREA, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF FARMLAND IN ACCOMACK COUNTY, RIGHT? UM, SO I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE AN AVAILABLE RESOURCE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME IN THE FUTURE, UM, THAT HAVE LAND AVAILABLE IF, IF WE HAVE GROWING LANDOWNERS AND FARMERS.
IT'S, THEY WERE USING IT FOR IRRIGATION OF - SO, AND HERE, AND HERE'S THE THING AND WHY I WASN'T NECESSARILY GONNA BRING IT UP, BUT WE KINDA GOT TALKING ABOUT THIS.
UM, THEY'RE IRRIGATING WOODS LAND, UH, TIMBER, UM, AND I, I IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, FOR HARVEST AND THEN REPLAYING SO FORTH.
UM, STATES VARY SO MUCH, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, WE WANTED TO, UM, WATER TIMBER AT THE NORTH LANDFILL AND THEN HARVEST IT AND, AND ALL THAT TYPE OF THING.
BUT THE RE - THE WAY THE REGS ARE SET UP IN VIRGINIA, YOU HAD TO MEET CERTAIN NUTRIENT REMOVAL ASPECTS.
AND, UM, IN NORTH CAROLINA, YOU COULD DO IT ALL DAY LONG.
IN MARYLAND, I'M KINDA WONDERING IF THAT'S KI - HOW WE ENDED UP IRRIGATING WOODS LAND VERSUS FARM FIELDS, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE PERMITTING.
BUT, UH, THE ARTICLE I FOUND ONLINE UNDER TOWN OF BERLIN'S, UH, WEBSITE, IT DID SAY AT THE TIME IT WAS PERMITTED, I THINK, UH, 12, 15 YEARS AGO.
IT WAS THE LARGEST LAND APPLICATION, UM, AREA FOR MUNICIPAL WASTEWATER IN THE STATE OF MARYLAND.
AND THAT'S LIKE AN HOUR OR TWO NORTH.
IF, UH, HAS ANYONE DONE A, A, CAN YOU IDENTIFY A HYBRID SYSTEM THAT MAY USE TWO OF YOUR COURSES OF ACTION? UM, SO YOU WOULD HAVE, AND, AND BACK TO MR. CROCKETT'S PHASES.
I MEAN, THIS SEEMS TO ME TO BE PROBABLY THE MOST EASY TO IMPLEMENT, BUT IT MAY NOT BE THE BEST FOR THE LONG-TERM STRATEGY.
SO IT WOULD BE, UH, UH, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF ANYONE'S DONE THAT.
SO WE HAD, WE HAD INITIAL CALL WITH DEQ AND I ASKED THE QUESTION, DEQ'S NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
IT'S TWO PERMITS, RIGHT? UM, I LOVE THE IDEA OF, OF HYBRID.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN'T PUT IT ON THE LAND, CAN WE TREAT AND DISCHARGE AS A EMERGENCY, EMERGENCY OR SECONDARY CONDITION? NO, I, I LOVE IT.
I, I THINK THE IDEA OF, UH, WORKING COOPERATIVELY WITH, UM, ANOTHER NEARBY, YOU KNOW, FACILITY, I THINK, I LIKE, I LIKE THAT BECAUSE THERE IS AN APPLE.
I THINK, I THINK, UM, THAT IS THE BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK.
AND IF WE WERE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT SUCH A THING, THAT WOULD BE, UH, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD REDUCE THE RISK, RIGHT? I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE AFRAID OF ASKING FOR A PERMIT.
I MEAN, WE, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE AFRAID TO ASK THE COUNTY FOR A PERMIT.
I CAN'T SEE MR. PAMPER BACK THERE.
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COULD DO SOME RESEARCH, FIND OUT.I CAN ADD A COMMENT TO THAT TOO.
AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF A HYBRID SYSTEM, PARTICULARLY WITH DIRECT DISCHARGE AND LAND APPLICATION.
THE RIB, AND I, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF RIBS.
I'VE TOURED SEVERAL OF THEM IN DELAWARE AND THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF THEM THERE.
AND IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A ROUTINE THING THERE.
ON SOME OF THE, UH, CONFERENCE CALLS WE HAD WITH DEQ, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING PILOT STUDY, LONG-TERM YEARS OF EVALUATING THE GROUNDWATER, MAKING SURE THERE'S GONNA BE NO HARM TO IT.
I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A ONE-OFF FIRST IN VIRGINIA PROJECT.
SO IF YOU WANNA DO A DUAL, DUAL PER - UH, DUAL SYSTEM WITH RIBS, I MEAN, THAT'S FINE IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO IT.
BUT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT NEAR TERM OPTIONS.
AND I DO NOT SEE RIBS BEING NEAR TERM OPTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON WASTEWATER? ALL RIGHT.
CHRISTINA'S GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WATER.
I'M CHRISTINA BOWLER WITH KIMLEY-HORN.
UM, EXCITED TO BE HELPING YOU GUYS OUT WITH THIS AND TALKING AND HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UM, MASTER PLANNING WATER AND SEWER HERE.
UM, SO TALKING ABOUT, UM, WATER SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERATIONS, UM, THE TWO BIGGEST THINGS ARE WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE WATER FROM? IS THAT GOING TO BE GROUNDWATER OR SURFACE WATER? AND WHAT TYPE OF WITHDRAWAL PERMIT DOES THE COUNTY NEED FOR DEPENDING ON THE SOURCE? UM, THEN WE HAVE OUR IMPLEMENTATION CONSIDERATIONS, VERY SIMILAR TO THE WASTEWATER SIDE.
UM, WHAT IS THE RISK OF PERMITTING? HOW COMPLEX IS THAT PERMIT TO GET? UM, WATER QUALITY.
SO WHAT IS OUR WATER SOURCE QUALITY LOOK LIKE? CAPITAL COST IS VERY, UM, DIRECTLY RELATED TO OUR SOURCE WATER QUALITY, RIGHT? HOW MUCH TREATMENT DO WE NEED? UM, PUBLIC OPINION, CONSISTENCY OF THE SOURCE.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR OWNERSHIP AND OPERATIONAL CONSIDERATIONS, UM, AESTHETICS, NUISANCES, HOW COMPLEX IS THE TREATMENT SYSTEM, AND OPERATIONAL COST.
WE EVALUATED TWO WATER SOURCES, UH, OPTION NUMBER ONE BEING GROUNDWATER.
SO THIS WOULD BE WITHDRAWAL FROM THE YORKTOWN EASTOVER AQUIFER.
UM, IT'S VERY COMMON WATER SOURCE IN ACCOMACK COUNTY.
IN FACT, IT'S KIND OF THE ONLY WATER SOURCE IN ACCOMACK COUNTY.
UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ROCKING WITH RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE EASTERN SHORE IS A SOLE SOURCE AQUIFER REGION AND A GROUNDWATER MANAGEMENT AREA.
UM, DEQ AND VDH ARE BOTH INVOLVED IN THE WELL SITE SELECTION PROCESS AND PERMITTING.
SO WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH DEQ AND VDH VERY CLOSELY TO HELP IDENTIFY, UM, WHERE THE WELLS COULD BE SITED AND WHAT, UM, CAPACITY FOR WITHDRAWAL WOULD BE AVAILABLE.
UM, WE ALSO ARE AWARE THAT THE, UM, ESVA GROUNDWATER COMMITTEE SERVES AS A LOCAL RESOURCE, UM, FOR DEQ DURING THEIR REVIEW WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WELL SITES.
JUST AN IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE HERE, UM, THE ATLANTIC TOWN CENTER HAS, UH, APPLIED FOR A GROUNDWATER WITHDRAWAL, UM, APPLICATION PERMIT, UM, WITH DEQ, AND SO THAT COULD BE LEVERAGED FOR FUTURE CONVERSATIONS RELATED TO, UH, GROUNDWATER SUPPLY.
OPTION NUMBER TWO IS SURFACE WATER.
SO HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITHDRAWING FROM LAKES, RESERVOIRS, RIVERS, STREAMS, OFFSHORE INTAKE.
UM, THERE ARE OVER 170 SURFACE WATER INTAKES THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
IN ACCOMACK COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY NORTHERN ACCOMACK COUNTY WHERE WE'RE INTERESTED IN OUR STUDY, UH, THERE ARE A FEW EXISTING SURFACE WATER WITHDRAWALS, UH, MOSTLY FOR IRRIGATION.
SO, UM, THE PERMIT HOLDERS FOR THOSE ARE DUBLIN FARMS, W.T.
HOLLAND & SONS, AND ARBUCKLE FARMS. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS, UH, PICTURE HERE, THE NORTHERN ACCOMACK RIVERS AND STREAMS, THOSE ARE POTENTIAL SURFACE WATERS FOR EVALUATION AND WITHDRAWAL.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UH, JUST AERIAL LOCATIONS OF DUBLIN FARMS AND W.T.
UM, DUBLIN FARMS WITHDREW, UM, SEVERAL, SEVERAL HUNDRED MILLION GALLONS OVER THE COURSE OF 2025, AND W.T.
HOLLAND & SONS WITHDREW, UM, CLOSE TO 85
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MILLION GALLONS IN 2025 BASED ON PUBLICLY AVAILABLE DATA.THE SURFACE WATER WITHDRAWAL MAY PREVENT, UM, FURTHER STRESS ON THE AQUIFER.
UM, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF WITHDRAWING FROM GROUNDWATER AND STRESSING THE AQUIFER EVEN FURTHER.
HOWEVER, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS LIMITED, UH, SURFACE WATER LOCATIONS JUST WITH WHERE WE'RE LOCATED IN ACCOMACK COUNTY, UM, WE WOULD REALLY NEED TO COORDINATE WITH DEQ AND MODEL THE IMPACTS OF WITHDRAWING FROM SURFACE WATER.
AND THEY WOULD HELP, UM, FROM A PERMITTING STANDPOINT OF INFORMING HOW MUCH CAPACITY IS AVAILABLE FROM ANY OF THOSE RIVERS AND STREAMS SHOWN ON THIS MAP.
AS TED MENTIONED EARLIER, WE, UM, HAVE BEEN WORKING TO, UH, IDENTIFY THE CURRENT PLAYERS, UM, WITH KEY DEVELOPMENTS, UM, WITH THE ATLANTIC TOWN CENTER, QUEENS HIVE, THE SPACE FLIGHT AUTHORITY.
UM, THESE ARE POTENTIAL, UM, DEVELOPERS ALREADY LOOKING TO, UM, INSTALL WELL SITES.
SO THERE MIGHT BE POTENTIAL FOR PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND, UM, THESE DEVELOPERS IN TERMS OF LAND FOR WHERE TO SITE A WELL SYSTEM.
UM, WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT THE SPACE FLIGHT AUTHORITY, UH, PARCELS ARE FURTHER FROM THAT SERVICE AREA THAT TED HAD POINTED OUT EARLIER, UM, THE SERVICE AREA BEING CENTRALLY LOCATED CLOSER TO ATLANTIC TOWN CENTER.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE HAD SOME VERY, VERY PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SPACE FLIGHT AUTHORITY OF THEM BEING OPEN TO DISCUSSING A WELL SITE, UM, ON THOSE PARCELS.
SO WITH THAT, UM, OUR NEXT STEPS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UM, IN WORKING WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WE WOULD, UM, LIKE TO GET A CONSENSUS OR CONFIRMATION OF THE INITIAL SERVICE AREA THAT TED PRESENTED, UM, GET CONSENSUS OR DIRECTION REGARDING THE EFFLUENT DISCHARGE TYPE AND WHAT APPROACH TO WASTEWATER EFFLUENT DISCHARGE WILL TAKE.
UM, IF WE COULD GET AN EN - AN ENDORSEMENT ON LAND-BASED APPLICATION AND AUTHORIZATION TO ENGAGE WITH, UH, LANDOWNERS, UM, FOR SITING A, UH, SPRAY FIELD SYSTEM ON THEIR LAND.
ON KIMLEY-HORN AND COUNTY STAFF'S, UH, PART HERE, WE ARE STILL EXPLORING POTENTIAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT SITES, UM, INITIATING PERMITTING.
UM, WE DO WANT TO PERFORM THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING THAT TED WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, FOR HOW ARE WE GOING TO, UM, IMPLEMENT ALL OF THESE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NOW'S THE TIME WHERE WE WOULD ACTUALLY PUT PEN TO PAPER AND LAY OUT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHERE INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD GO AND HOW TO IMPLEMENT THAT.
AND WITH THAT, THAT'S HOW WE WILL DEVELOP THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH WILL ALSO INCLUDE PLANNING LEVEL COST ESTIMATES.
SO WITH THAT, WE'RE HERE TO KIND OF, UM, OPEN THE FLOOR AND DISCUSS ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS IS BACK TO WASTEWATER TREATMENT.
THE ONE THING I NEVER HEARD ADDRESSED IS WHAT DO YOU DO FOR SOLID WASTE AFTER YOU PULL IT OUT OF THE SEWER SYSTEM? WE, WE TAKE IT NOW AT THE LANDFILL.
IT HAS TO MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS AND TCP, TCLP TEST.
SO WE TAKE SLUDGE NOW FROM, UH - I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING 300,000.
WHAT'S THAT? WE BUILD A WHOLE PLANT.
THEY HADN'T CHECKED IT IN THE FIELDS AND BURN IT AND DID ALL SORTS OF STUFF.
TYPICALLY IT WOULD GO IN LANDFILL.
AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH, I KNOW A MAJOR ISSUE, THAT'S ALL.
NASA BRINGS THEIR SLUDGE DUST, FOR INSTANCE, NOW.
AND WE WON'T TALK ABOUT NUTRIENTS IN THE WATER AND ALL THAT STUFF, THAT PROBLEM.
I, I'M SURE THAT'S ADDRESSED TOO, RIGHT? NUTRIENT OUTPUT? OKAY.
THAT, THAT'D BE CONDITIONS OF THE PERMIT, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S THE WATER QUALITY CONDITIONS OF THE PERMIT.
IT GOVERNS THE TREATMENT SYSTEM THAT WE WOULD USE.
WELL, I JUST KNOW WITH THE AQU - WITH THE AQUA, WITH THE SHELLFISH INDUSTRY, NUTRIENT OUTPUT IS VERY IMPORTANT, THAT'S ALL.
BUT IF YOU CAN KILL THEM JUST AS QUICK AS - ABSOLUTELY.
I WILL, I WILL SIT BACK DOWN AND BE GOOD.
CONCERNING THE, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PART OF THIS AND, UH, ADDRESSING THE, UH, THE NEXT PHASE
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OF THE STUDY, UH, YOU'RE CERTAINLY IDENTIFYING THE NORTHERN ACCOMACK COUNTY.SO THAT'S CONFIRMATION OF INITIAL SERVICE AREA.
AND, UH, FOR ME, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE LAND BASE DISCHARGE IS THE, IS PROBABLY RIGHT NOW THE BEST THING TO, UH, UH, TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO DO SOMETHING IN A TIMELY FACTOR.
SO IF, IF THAT'S, IF WHAT I'M SAYING IS ENOUGH TO GET YOU TO CONTINUE THIS STUDY, THEN THAT'S WHAT I, I RECOMMEND, MADAM CHAIR.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? AND I SO MOVED.
I, I THINK THEY JUST NEED A CONSENSUS.
CONSENSUS? YEAH, I SEE A CONSENSUS.
MENTION OF, UH, A HYBRID WITH A DISCHARGE.
WELL, I THINK AS MR. CROCKETT SAID, I MEAN, TO ME IT'S GETTING INTO PHASES, BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS, THE, THE, THE OPTION WE SEEM TO HAVE, SINCE THE PLAN IS ADDRESSING A MAJOR PLANT, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION MAYBE OUTSIDE THE SERVICE AREAS OF, OF ALTERNATIVES TO A MAJOR PLANT.
FOR INSTANCE, REESTABLISHING PUDS IN ACCOMACK COUNTY, WHICH MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE NO LONGER HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO, BUT TO OFFSET SOME OF THIS DEMAND.
BUT FOR THIS TASK, I'M WITH MR. GROCKETT.
ANY, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR IS IT CONSENSUS TO, UH, MR. MR. WASHINGTON? NO.
ARE YOU - I'M READY TO GO FORWARD.
I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT'S THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS.
LET'S BE MOVING SECOND THAT WE ADJOURNED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR LET IT BE KNOWN BY AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.